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Operating System Specific Discussions => MorphOS => MorphOS -- Application questions and support => Topic started by: mt12345 on March 28, 2011, 12:14:49 AM
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Hi everyone!
In '90 I was using Amiga, then I switched to Windows, then to Mac OSX, then to Linux.
I'm going to try MorphOS as soon as I get some cheap G4 hardware.
I don't need wifi and I know that (some) HP printers are supported. But how about:
editing MS Office documents,
USB-MIDI devices support (in *tracker programs),
audio recording,
Flash videos in web browser,
writing to ntfs disks,
remote desktop (to login from MOS to Windows machine)
Thanks in advance for replies.
Recently I discovered Aros and got excited but it's not stable yet and lacks drivers/software.
MorphOS on the other hand seems to be professional, mature and polished. Will you help me to make the switch?
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Hi everyone!
In '90 I was using Amiga, then I switched to Windows, then to Mac OSX, then to Linux.
I'm going to try MorphOS as soon as I get some cheap G4 hardware.
I don't need wifi and I know that (some) HP printers are supported. But how about:
editing MS Office documents,
USB-MIDI devices support (in *tracker programs),
audio recording,
Flash videos in web browser,
writing to ntfs disks,
remote desktop (to login from MOS to Windows machine)
Thanks in advance for replies.
Recently I discovered Aros and got excited but it's not stable yet and lacks drivers/software.
MorphOS on the other hand seems to be professional, mature and polished. Will you help me to make the switch?
Editing MS Office documents? Unless this can be done via Goggle docs, I don't know of a way to do this under MorphOS.
As to tracker programs, here's a link to a few available on MorphZone (there are others) you'd have to research for yourself to find out what devices are supported, but USB under MorphOS works very well.
http://downloads.morphzone.org/categories/music/tracker
As to audio recording, multiple sources for that type of software.
Flash support under web browser? Unfortunately no, the current implementation of this (in OWB) doesn't work well. There is html5 support and if you can download the flash animation it will run in Mplayer
Writing to NTFS disks? Not yet. FAT disks are supported.
Remote desktop? Again, multiple solutions. Here's a few.
http://downloads.morphzone.org/categories/network/remote
Sorry I couldn't be more help. Some of the things you're looking for aren't there (yet), other parts of your list have multiple possible solutions.
If you can obtain a supported G4 Mac, try it. Even with some of the above mentioned compromises, its a pretty neat OS.
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About flash videos, the flash plugin is based on swfdec (like on linux if you know it). Which means it's compatible up to flash 8 and quite slow in general. It's still ok to watch a couple vids on some sites, but for something like youtube, a much better way is to use HTML5 mode, or use a small userscript that converts Flash to HTML5 on the fly for the youtube links not available in HTML5 mode yet.
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Well I can live without flash. I think dual boot with linux ppc is reasonable option.
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Well I can live without flash. I think dual boot with linux ppc is reasonable option.
Linux PPC has no Flash either. Just Gnash and swfdec.
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I know. I used to run linux on ppc. I meant OpenOffice and ntfs-3g
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Read only ntfs is available.
http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~mszyprow/progs/
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That's why I need linux. And asfs would be useful too.
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You might want to talk to Piru about the questions surrounding tracker software.
He's worked on one piece of tracker software and no doubt has more experience with those packages then I do.
And I've learned to live w/o flash since adopting a G4 Powermac (it exists under OSX, but the performance isn't that great).
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That's why I need linux. And asfs would be useful too.
Yes, that reference Nicholas posted mentions asfs (under Linux) as well as ntfs (for MorphOS).
An Office-like package would be nice, but no competent programmer has stepped up to create such a suite.
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Abiword for good start? I think I read somewhere about porting to aros.
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You might want to talk to Piru about the questions surrounding tracker software.
He's worked on one piece of tracker software and no doubt has more experience with those packages then I do.
And I've learned to live w/o flash since adopting a G4 Powermac (it exists under OSX, but the performance isn't that great).
What tracker from piru?
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What tracker from piru?
Pirutracker ftw! :)
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What tracker from piru?
Not a full tracker package. Here's the description from he MorphZone downloads section.
"DBProHelper (http://downloads.morphzone.org/remote/DBProHelper)
A set of tools allowing for installation and running DigiBooster Pro 2.x music tracker on MorphOS. Fixes most dangerous bugs like direct hardware poking. Written by Harry "Piru" Sintonen."
What, you didn't know Piru knew how to code? He is on the development team after all.
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OK i was thinking on a new tracker with asio, usb midi support... fantasies heh...
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OK i was thinking on a new tracker with asio, usb midi support... fantasies heh...
Let me know when you've got that ready. I'm in.
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Abiword for good start? I think I read somewhere about porting to aros.
According to a recent post by Fab, actually a possibility (which up till now I wasn't aware of) for MorphOS.
We'll have to see if someone wants to act on it.
Abiword would definitely be an improvement (and in my opinion, more desirable than Open Office).
Oh, BTW, mt12345 - You chose a really good point to jump in. Things in the MorphOS community really seem to be moving. (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=8781)
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OK i was thinking on a new tracker with asio, usb midi support... fantasies heh...
You do not need ASIO on MorphOS. And for USB midi support, a tracker using it is in the work.
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You do not need ASIO on MorphOS. And for USB midi support, a tracker using it is in the work.
New tracker?
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New tracker?
Like... DigiBoosterPro 3? :)
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Did anyone try to port Protrekkr? It has some DSP FX, something that's missing in DB?
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(Edit: I re-did the post below. Sorry for any confusion! ;))
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Well done ! :)
I remember I tried Office online 2 years ago in some internet-cafe as I had to quickly edit and print my CV. Let me try it again.
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New tracker?
Yes. It is named DigiBooster 3. It is not an upgrade of DigiBoosterPro 2 but a completely new thing. Public beta versions are available here (http://digiboosterpro.de/downloadse.php).
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nicolas
FYI Linux ppc implementation of flash is decent for menus and such. But newer complex stuff chokes it.. (but such flash is rather ridiculous, but however quite rampart)
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But how about:
editing MS Office documents
Well, for your service (:)), I have just tried out the online version of Microsoft Office under MorphOS (OWB spoofing as Chrome).
The online version of MS Office is reduced in features (as seen in the screen shots below); it's kind of rudimentary actually. I think Microsoft's idea with it, is that should function as a way to edit already existing documents created in the "full" version of MS Office (and saved on Sky Drive), rather than functioning as a free, online office *replacement*.
So to answer your question - sure *you can* "edit MS Office documents" on MorphOS this way. It can feel a bit sluggish compared to having the real MS Office on a Windows box, some things more than other (like key repeating, and the fact that it auto-saves your work on a regular basis, which takes a second or two), and the application is prone to crash in some circumstances (like when opening the font selector and closing it again without selecting a font). When the application crash, it restarts, and recreates your document from the latest save point (or auto-save point).
Word works quite OK for what it's meant to do. It's nothing I'd write a book on though! ;) PowerPoint is kind of OK as well. Excel is IMHO the app which suffers the most from the feature stripping.
I made some pictures! :)
Click to enlarge:
MS Word
Just typing some headline, text, and trying the various fonts
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5570784146_382eb6bc96_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5570784146_382eb6bc96_b.jpg)
Going to insert some clip art. Searching for a butterfly, and find a nice blue one! ;-)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5570784080_d9d058f37e_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5182/5570784080_d9d058f37e_b.jpg)
It was kind of big, so reducing it to 50%
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5223/5570194633_b4e10d720c_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5223/5570194633_b4e10d720c_b.jpg)
Spellchecker doesn't like the word "MorphOS"! Huh?! ;-)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5303/5570784234_a2091ab87c_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5303/5570784234_a2091ab87c_b.jpg)
But changing the dictionary language to Swedish...
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5570194807_f9e9cf6e85_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5095/5570194807_f9e9cf6e85_b.jpg)
...renders a whole lot more errors! :-)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5302/5570194717_7b8f8d3a37_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5302/5570194717_7b8f8d3a37_b.jpg)
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MS PowerPoint
Selecting a theme for my new presentation
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5570795130_00a89eb3e2_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5570795130_00a89eb3e2_b.jpg)
Entering a title and subtitle in the presentation's title slide
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5570205725_1e529bbd82_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5570205725_1e529bbd82_b.jpg)
Entering some text into the new slide
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/5570795304_b9a8f63912_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5053/5570795304_b9a8f63912_b.jpg)
New slide with two columns. Entering notes in the note field at the bottom of the screen, trying out how formated text works there. Inserting a blue butterfly from the clip art, and selecting a tilted picture effect for it
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5293/5570795450_b78212bd3d_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5293/5570795450_b78212bd3d_b.jpg)
Entering a slide title and some points in the left column
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5570205837_eccd208317_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5025/5570205837_eccd208317_b.jpg)
Hitting the "show slide show" button. Imagine if this would have opened up in full screen mode instead of inside the browser! :-)
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5570205895_8676d5698d_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5067/5570205895_8676d5698d_b.jpg)
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MS Excel
Entering some data, changing the width of some columns
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5570221245_47928e8a78_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5570221245_47928e8a78_b.jpg)
Going to insert a diagram
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5266/5570221211_7dbb7d8eb6_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5266/5570221211_7dbb7d8eb6_b.jpg)
Diagram inserted, but going to need some editing before I'm satisfied with it
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5570221315_a231dd6ee5_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5570221315_a231dd6ee5_b.jpg)
Diagram edited (new title, etc) and repositioned in the spreadsheet
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5012/5570221361_692160ca09_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5012/5570221361_692160ca09_b.jpg)
Just trying out some more formating options
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5110/5570810654_746476f705_m.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5110/5570810654_746476f705_b.jpg)
There is another Microsoft office application available there as well, "MS OneNote". I have no idea what that is. Have never used in in the "real" Office, and I haven't looked at it here either...
So, There!
:)
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nicolas
FYI Linux ppc implementation of flash is decent for menus and such. But newer complex stuff chokes it.. (but such flash is rather ridiculous, but however quite rampart)
The LLVM based Lightspark will probably be a better bet once it matures fully.
As it stands Gnash is ok for watching most online video sites that don't have HTML5 yet.
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Well, for your service (:)), I have just tried out the online version of Microsoft Office under MorphOS (OWB spoofing as Chrome).
:)
Can't login in to my Windows Live account, ha ha ha. Probably they suspended/deleted my account due to not using for long time. Nevermind.
What else would I need in MOS? GIMP! I'm sure there is some decent equivalent. Any suggestions?
And what about OWB? I noticed Facebook bookmark on your pictures. Does facebook chat work? Uploading pictures in ebay?
How OWB works, generally, what is missing, if compared to Firefox or Chromium?
Oh, how about porting Chromium to MorphOS? Do I demand too much?
My AROS installation is unfortunately offline, so I can't test OWB.
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Can't login in to my Windows Live account, ha ha ha. Probably they suspended/deleted my account due to not using for long time. Nevermind.
What else would I need in MOS? GIMP! I'm sure there is some decent equivalent. Any suggestions?
And what about OWB? I noticed Facebook bookmark on your pictures. Does facebook chat work? Uploading pictures in ebay?
How OWB works, generally, what is missing, if compared to Firefox or Chromium?
Oh, how about porting Chromium to MorphOS? Do I demand too much?
My AROS installation is unfortunately offline, so I can't test OWB.
It's a bit annoying that Fab *still* calls his browser "OWB", since it misleads people to think that it's the same thing as... eh, well "OWB" ;) :p AFAIK you can't run this one on AROS. It's a different thing.
It's a very feature rich and complete browser. The latest version (v1.12) is based on WebKit r80266 (March 2011), which is a very up to date version of WebKit. So *this is* (kind of) "Chrome" already. And "Safari". Etc. At least engine-wise, since they are all based on WebKit. So yes, you can definitely chat in Facebook, you can use Google Docs, MS Office, Flickr, whatever. But in a very enjoyable "MUI way", just like in IBrowse if you remember. Heck, this browser actually handles CSS3 better than the current version of Internet Explorer (IE8). That's cool! And it has a real download manager, book mark handler, private browsing, whatever! Very feature rich! :)
This is the first *real* browser on *any* Amiga platform. You can *really* use it, *for real*! :)
Like on any Amiga flavor, the Flash support leaves a lot to ask for. But this one still has the best way to handle Flash of all other Amiga browsers IMHO, and I'm looking forward to see Flash being marginalized in the future by HTML5, CSS3, java, etc (which this browser handles like a charm!)
There are many screen shots available if you search a little, and videos of it playing YouTube videos in full screen, etc. :) Can't remember any good links though, maybe others can help?
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5268/5572142558_0f4a925438.jpg) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5268/5572142558_0f4a925438_b.jpg)
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Here are some screenshots to have an idea of OWB MorphOS features: http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owbshots/
More generally, it's very compatible, but it's still possible to stumble on some occasional bugs (often caused by silly cookie issues, actually).
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Hi everyone!
In '90 I was using Amiga, then I switched to Windows, then to Mac OSX, then to Linux.
I'm going to try MorphOS as soon as I get some cheap G4 hardware.
I don't need wifi and I know that (some) HP printers are supported. But how about:
editing MS Office documents,
USB-MIDI devices support (in *tracker programs),
audio recording,
Flash videos in web browser,
writing to ntfs disks,
remote desktop (to login from MOS to Windows machine)
Thanks in advance for replies.
Recently I discovered Aros and got excited but it's not stable yet and lacks drivers/software.
MorphOS on the other hand seems to be professional, mature and polished. Will you help me to make the switch?
Hi from novice point view for morphos it works great my own perosnall opion
is if you like mac os x your love morphos to me like very amiga like as well
i like amiga os 4 better but thats just my thing but wasint dispointed in morphos
its got alot cool features and and web browser is awsome and look feel very professinal and finished looking .
Ran it oun my mac mini g4 ran and booted fast had with dual boot config
with mac osx tiger very easy to set up look up dual boot pdf on the net
if wasint os 4 option whould switch over in instant to morphos
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GIMP-like program for MOS?
What is partition size and file size limit? (SFS)
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GIMP-like program for MOS?
What is partition size and file size limit? (SFS)
I don't think there's anything native that's quite as powerful as GIMP, although there are graphics manipulation programs available.
Originally I had thought that porting GIMP itself would be difficult because of the programs reliance on the GTK-API.
But their is a wrapper that converts GTK-API calls into MUI calls http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtk-mui/
So a GIMP port may be possible, but hasn't been done yet (why don't you do it).
SFS? 128gb limit on partitions, but other software can create larger partitions that can be used (I've played around with this) AND there are other file systems (like IceFileSystem 2.3 - no limits on partition size).
File Size limitations? This I'm none to sure of as I've got several monstrous 720p video files on my hard drive and have never run into a size limitation issue. That said, there probably is a limit under SFS, I just haven't found it yet (and, again, there are alternative filesystems)
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I don't think there's anything native that's quite as powerful as GIMP, although there are graphics manipulation programs available.
Actually I dont need all the features GIMP offers. Just basic image manipulations.
GIMP port may be possible, but hasn't been done yet (why don't you do it)
I wish I could. In 2004 I got Powemac G3/233 and managed to install OSX 10.3 but it was so sluggish so I tried linux on it. Then I got frustrated because some packages were not ported to PPC linux so I learnt how to compile. But I was getting endless errors so I got even more frustrated and eventually I gave up. I bought Pentium4 PC to run linux and forget about compiling. But recently I was thinking about porting some stuff (I mean learning how to port) as I noticed AROS lacks software (its's MorphOS thread, I know). If you know some useful links about porting and compiling (for beginners) please share.
SFS? 128gb limit on partitions
I' m going to install in my future MOS machine 2 disks: 40gb and 160gb and install linux + morphos. How would you partition it? My plan: both systems on first disk, 20gb for each one and second disk as fat32 160gb
File Size limitations?
I read somewhere about 8GB limit just like fat32 but the thread might have been outdated.
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I' m going to install in my future MOS machine 2 disks: 40gb and 160gb and install linux + morphos
or maybe morphos + linux + osx?
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Actually I dont need all the features GIMP offers. Just basic image manipulations.
Well there are several of those. Basic viewer functions are built into MorphOS via a package called "Showgirls".
I wish I could. In 2004 I got Powemac G3/233 and managed to install OSX 10.3 but it was so sluggish so I tried linux on it. Then I got frustrated because some packages were not ported to PPC linux so I learnt how to compile. But I was getting endless errors so I got even more frustrated and eventually I gave up. I bought Pentium4 PC to run linux and forget about compiling. But recently I was thinking about porting some stuff (I mean learning how to port) as I noticed AROS lacks software (its's MorphOS thread, I know). If you know some useful links about porting and compiling (for beginners) please share.
There are bounties in place for programmers guides (like I mentioned, you picked a good time to adopt), but I don't think anything is complete yet.
I' m going to install in my future MOS machine 2 disks: 40gb and 160gb and install linux + morphos. How would you partition it? My plan: both systems on first disk, 20gb for each one and second disk as fat32 160gb
I'm currently using a 300GB disk for a similar group of partitions (except their on one drive).
I'd use the larger drive for the MorphOS and Linux partitions and give each 80GB. I didn't think it would happen, but I'm already finding a 128GB partition to be a little small.
I read somewhere about 8GB limit just like fat32 but the thread might have been outdated.
That would probably be correct. The largest files I have a conversions of DVDs which would only vary rarely be larger than that.
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I'd use the larger drive for the MorphOS and Linux partitions and give each 80GB. I didn't think it would happen, but I'm already finding a 128GB partition to be a little small.
Hm... I would like to have one big shared partition (videos+music+samples) easy accessible by any OS. When I install linux, I usually create 20gb partition for system and rest (eg. 140gb) for documents/multimedia. Anyway, is MorphOS working well with fat32 partitions? I read somewhere about some issues but I think it was from Aros camp.
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Hm... I would like to have one big shared partition (videos+music+samples) easy accessible by any OS. When I install linux, I usually create 20gb partition for system and rest (eg. 140gb) for documents/multimedia. Anyway, is MorphOS working well with fat32 partitions? I read somewhere about some issues but I think it was from Aros camp.
I can understand your argument about the partitioning. MorphOS and Linux are a little better about using other partitions (other than the boot partition) than OSX is (and virtually anything does this better than Windows), so your plan makes sense.
On fat32, I haven't discussed it with anyone else, but I also have seen no postings related to problems using a fat partition. So I would assume its trouble free. Someone would have posted a question on one of the forums (by now) if there was a problem.
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can morphos read (and write) ext3?
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can morphos read (and write) ext3?
Not that I know of, but MorphOS can access ext2 partitions (which would allow file sharing between Linux and MOS).
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...using ext2fs I suppose.
How about:
first disk - 2 partitions: 39gb mac osx, 1GB linux swap.
second disk - 3 partitions: 20gb SFS for morphos, 20gb ext3 for linux, 120gb ext2 for linux /home, accessible from all 3 systems.
BTW: does morphos need swap ??
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...using ext2fs I suppose.
How about:
first disk - 2 partitions: 39gb mac osx, 1GB linux swap.
second disk - 3 partitions: 20gb SFS for morphos, 20gb ext3 for linux, 120gb ext2 for linux /home, accessible from all 3 systems.
BTW: does morphos need swap ??
BTW: does morphos need swap ??
Not that I know of, but I haven't really examined MorphOS' disk structure that much (except for noting the use of an Amiga like RAM disk).
As to the partitioning scheme, I haven't tried a three OS system yet, so I'm not sure how that would work.
Although the idea of using a common ext2 partition (rather than a fat partition) is interesting.
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Is it safe to install MorphOS on CF card? I mean the write cycles issue.
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Is it safe to install MorphOS on CF card? I mean the write cycles issue.
I know people that are using CF>IDE adapters on the Efika. That works. I can't think of any other way you could boot from a CF card with currently supported hardware.
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Yes, I meant IDE adapter. But I'm worried about wearing out the card.
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Yes, I meant IDE adapter. But I'm worried about wearing out the card.
Interesting, I'd never considered that. Heck, it hadn't even occurred to me that I could use a Compact Flash Card to IDE adapter.
Can you wear out a CF card? None of the memory cards I use for my cameras shows any signs of giving up, but you are discussing a much more active use for this device
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Can you wear out a CF card? None of the memory cards I use for my cameras shows any signs of giving up, but you are discussing a much more active use for this device
Flash memory card/pendrive should survive around 100 000 writes (older cards 10 000). So you can shoot 100 000 pictures using your camera. But if you boot windows or linux from it, especially with journaling file system, your card will die after year or two. There were even cases when card died after few weeks. So I was wondering how morphos handles this.
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Flash memory card/pendrive should survive around 100 000 writes (older cards 10 000). So you can shoot 100 000 pictures using your camera. But if you boot windows or linux from it, especially with journaling file system, your card will die after year or two. There were even cases when card died after few weeks. So I was wondering how morphos handles this.
Definitely a question that would be better suited to this site:
http://www.morphzone.org
You've made me both curious and cautious on this question.
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Definitely a question that would be better suited to this site:
http://www.morphzone.org
Definitely. Unfortunately I cannot post there as they don't register new users.
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Definitely. Unfortunately I cannot post there as they don't register new users.
Really? I thought their move to a new server would only temporarily disable the registration of new users.
Let me double check for you...
...Nope, you're right, still no new registrations being taken. I posted an inquiry asking about when this would change.
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The big problem with using compact flash in windows/linux is the swap file useage soon write the max number of writes, with morphos and SFS filesystem the number of writes done by the os ahould only be when files physically change ie install os, applications or write a data file. I've used a CF in my efika with no noticable problems and was considering using one as the OS drive in my Peg 2.
Of coarse if you use the system a lot then eventually you will hit the max number of writes and your CF will degrade but that point will happen a lot later on an amiga or amiga like system (not counting OS4 with swap turned on) then it will with a Windows or Linux box.
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gazgod
How long will a cf last in say an a1200 beings used 3 times a week?
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gazgod
How long will a cf last in say an a1200 beings used 3 times a week?
I imagine it'd outlive your 1200 to be honest.
Im about a year into mine, and not a single error so far. I've installed a LOT of stuff, and deleted just as much.
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Rune
What are your speeds with that card and a1200?
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Rune
What are your speeds with that card and a1200?
hm, I'd have to check. Let me see what I can do tomorrow
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I posted an inquiry asking about when this would change.
Thanks!
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The big problem with using compact flash in windows/linux is the swap file useage soon write the max number of writes, with morphos and SFS filesystem the number of writes done by the os ahould only be when files physically change ie install os, applications or write a data file. I've used a CF in my efika with no noticable problems and was considering using one as the OS drive in my Peg 2.
Of coarse if you use the system a lot then eventually you will hit the max number of writes and your CF will degrade but that point will happen a lot later on an amiga or amiga like system (not counting OS4 with swap turned on) then it will with a Windows or Linux box.
Exactly. Swap kills the card. But even if you turn the swap off (in linux or windows) I think these systems still write more often than amiga-like systems.
BTW: Do I have to 'shut down' MorphOS before I turn the computer off or just push the power button like I do in Aros?
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Exactly. Swap kills the card. But even if you turn the swap off (in linux or windows) I think these systems still write more often than amiga-like systems.
BTW: Do I have to 'shut down' MorphOS before I turn the computer off or just push the power button like I do in Aros?
A card (or even better, a SSD disk) nowadays usually comes with sector management which should help even against swap - but why would you use swap on such systems in first place? Buy enough RAM and forget about swap.
You can shut down immediately. Doing it from Ambient is usually faster than doing this via the power button though.
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Doing it from Ambient is usually faster than doing this via the power button though.
And it's even faster to type "shutdown" and hit enter in shell ;)
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OK I'm almost convinced. :)
I'm gonna buy powermac soon.
But basically I'm a laptop guy.
Piru, when can we expect support for ibook/powerbook?
(I don't care if touchpad or sleep/wake ain't working)
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And it's even faster to type "shutdown" and hit enter in shell ;)
But if you use keyboard (command-q + s) to shut it down from Ambient, it might be faster still ;)
And you could always assign it to any key for single press shutdown without requesters :)
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And we have a winner!
And you could always assign it to any key for single press shutdown without requesters :)
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Exactly. Swap kills the card. But even if you turn the swap off (in linux or windows) I think these systems still write more often than amiga-like systems.
BTW: Do I have to 'shut down' MorphOS before I turn the computer off or just push the power button like I do in Aros?
Yep. Writes kill these cards, and most mainstream OSs do a lot of writing, even without swap. They write icon and window sizes and positions, last used item lists, log files of all sorts, last accessed metadata and so on. I'm not familiar with MorphOS at that level, but AmigaOS was never much into writing to the disc unless you wanted it to - you could even boot from a read-only partition if you wanted to. I guess MorphOS follows that to a certain extent too.
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And you could always assign it to any key for single press shutdown without requesters :)
LOL, that would be an interesting payload for malware ;) Not that I would be condoning such activities!
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MorphZone is, as of today, accepting new registrations.
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MorphZone is, as of today, accepting new registrations.
Really?
'Sorry, You Enter Wrong CAPTCHA Key. Try Once Again'
Tried 8 times. Either I can't read or there is some error on MZ site.
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@ mt12345
Please try again.
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:) Hello, World! I'm in! :)
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:) Hello, World! I'm in! :)
Cool. As Amiga.org experience partial meltdown, the MorphOS world chugs on past 1100 licenses and many more new demo users.
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So.
I've been happy Morphos user for a while.
I'm surprised how fast it is!
My flatmate dropped his jaw when he saw me playing full screen Virtual Grand Prix 2 and Warsow.
('466 MHz??? Radeon 7000??? You're joking, right???')
I think G4 processor is underestimated, I was always complaining about G4 powerbooks/ibooks performance in OSX,
but MOS proved that G4 is still has much to say.
I have not registered yet, however. I hesitate between upgrading Powermac and buying Mac Mini.
Or should I will wait for MOS 3.0 with Powerbook support?
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MorphOS is nice.
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I have not registered yet, however. I hesitate between upgrading Powermac and buying Mac Mini.
Or should I will wait for MOS 3.0 with Powerbook support?
I am in the same situation too.... :(
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Nicholas & mt12345
It's quite simple. Just answer a question - do you want to be mobile or you prefer to stick with desktop system with chances to expand (PowerMac). As much as I love MacMini (I used to own one) I switched to PowerMac as I can put in better GFX card than Mini had, I can put SoundBlaster (with line in which Mini doesn't have), couple of hard drives etc..
I also have PowerBook awaiting for MorphOS release for it. I like to be mobile as well.
We should be happy that MorphOS Team gave us plenty choises about HW.
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It's not simple at all. I need both expandability and portability. I don't need good graphics but audio recording and more usb ports is essential. I think, Powerbook is what I need.
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I would skip mac min then. Despite being really powerful for MorphOS and very portable. Lacks decent expandability