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Title: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 01, 2011, 10:47:48 PM
I am local to Barry Altman and Commodore USA. I just got off the phone with Barry and he invited me over to see the progress that is being made with the company and on the products. Considering my initial reaction when I heard of this company and it's products was knee-jerk and sharply skeptical, it would only be fair to Barry to take his invitation to see the products, documentation and anything else he would like to show.

I plan on taking pictures where possible and asking questions. I will probably do a full report here on Amiga.org before the end of the week.

Stay tuned...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: haywirepc on February 01, 2011, 10:53:38 PM
Make sure to press him to see prototypes, parts, or anything else that might show all he has is a website and one hastily assembled pc in a c64 shell.
 
If they don't even have prototypes of these amiga pc's already assembled, then its for sure a sham.
 
Ask to see workbench 5 also. If he can't show you anything then they haven't even started on it yet.
 
I just think they keep announcing and then cancelling products. There is a reason for that (they don't have any)
 
Steven
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: commodorejohn on February 01, 2011, 10:56:59 PM
Huh, I'm still pretty sure this is a load of crap, but if he's confident enough to show what he's got to other people, color me intrigued...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 01, 2011, 11:01:24 PM
Ask him why he doesn't like me... :(
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on February 01, 2011, 11:01:45 PM
Nice... Good job.:)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: CSixx on February 01, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Looking forward to another cusa thread.
Maybe the three cusa threads currently on the homepage will still be there and then everyone can post the same crap in each one! That will be 4X the fun!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: motrucker on February 01, 2011, 11:25:34 PM
It will great to have a truly objective report on what's going on. I would love to be wrong about this Co..
Can't wait to read your work.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 01, 2011, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Franko;611629
Ask him why he doesn't like me... :(


Forget that. We need an office pool to guess the number of page views the report will receive.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Amiduffer on February 01, 2011, 11:37:18 PM
Good job Red!

This will be interesting.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: murple on February 01, 2011, 11:49:09 PM
Why are people paying this asshat any attention? Commodore & Amiga died in 1994 and anybody else claiming the name since then (with the exception of Escom) needs to be ignored into nonexistence.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: EDanaII on February 01, 2011, 11:54:32 PM
Good luck, Red. I'll definitely be interested in what you learn.

I see a lot of "dreaming" with these guys, but what you learn could tells us how much of what they're saying is just salesmanship and how much is money-where-their-mouth-is.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: adz on February 01, 2011, 11:55:55 PM
Everyone just calm the f*** down...Red's got this :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: klx300r on February 01, 2011, 11:58:11 PM
@ redrumloa

ask him where my t-shirt is! & tell him he won't get 1 sheyster cent from me with this Linux scam he's leading up ..Workbench 5 my ass:madashell:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 01, 2011, 11:58:16 PM
Quote from: adz;611664
Everyone just calm the f*** down...Red's got this :)


You kidding... this is better than the telly... :)

(some of us lead a sad life you know... :()
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: VingtTrois on February 02, 2011, 12:08:39 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611619
I am local to Barry Altman and Commodore USA. I just got off the phone with Barry and he invited me over to see the progress that is being made with the company and on the products. Considering my initial reaction when I heard of this company and it's products was knee-jerk and sharply skeptical, it would only be fair to Barry to take his invitation to see the products, documentation and anything else he would like to show.

I plan on taking pictures where possible and asking questions. I will probably do a full report here on Amiga.org before the end of the week.

Stay tuned...


Excellent. Thanks redrumloa!
I'm really excited to see what will come out ... in fact, I'm waiting since 1994, so a few more years does not kill me (the childrens of my childrens can also expect to have good news about COMMODORE/AMIGA/etc...).
But there must be good and really strong arguments to convince me.

Quote from: Franko;611629
Ask him why he doesn't like me... :(

:laughing:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 12:21:37 AM
I certainly trust Red, so eagerly awaiting this
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 12:27:31 AM
Quote from: murple;611658
Why are people paying this asshat any attention? Commodore & Amiga died in 1994 and anybody else claiming the name since then (with the exception of Escom) needs to be ignored into nonexistence.

Please refrain from personal attacks. You may be as negative as you wish, but personal attacks are against the TOS.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 12:29:14 AM
forgot this.. will you take questions along from us?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Iggy on February 02, 2011, 12:29:57 AM
That's cool Red.
So you finally decided to take him up on his offer?
He can be pretty convincing.

I've got a pretty good BS detector myself, and while I have seen some hyperbole on in his announcements, everything he's said to me seems pretty straight forward.
And he does have experience running a business

I'm looking forward to seeing anything you're shown.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 12:38:09 AM
Quote from: runequester;611671
forgot this.. will you take questions along from us?

Within reason.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Kesa on February 02, 2011, 12:39:13 AM
Ask him about Doomy because i really miss him a lot :(
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 12:51:11 AM
@ Redrumloa

Genuine question this, I would appreciate if you could ask Mr Altman...

My main (in fact only) real gripe is the naming of his products eg: C64x, Amiga 1000x & WorkBench, would it be possible for him to rename the products differently (as they aren't even on sale yet) so as to distinguish them from what most folks would call a C64 or Amiga and thus put an end once and for all for what I believe is total confusion and lets face it nonsense on both sides... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 12:53:07 AM
Quote from: Iggy;611672
That's cool Red.
So you finally decided to take him up on his offer?

It became clear to me there was at least some substance when I saw the C64 case pictures. I am local, so why not take advantage of that and see first hand if he offered? I'm beyond skeptical and yet my conversation with him was interesting, to say the least.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Terminills on February 02, 2011, 12:54:39 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611680
It became clear to me there was at least some substance when I saw the C64 case pictures. I am local, so why not take advantage of that and see first hand if he offered? I'm beyond skeptical and yet my conversation with him was interesting, to say the least.


Man you stole my interview...j/k congrats.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 01:05:11 AM
Quote from: Terminills;611682
Man you stole my interview...j/k congrats.

You aren't local :razz:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: spihunter on February 02, 2011, 01:07:16 AM
I'm looking forward to hear how this goes.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Terminills on February 02, 2011, 01:08:57 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611684
You aren't local :razz:


This is true...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: EDanaII on February 02, 2011, 01:19:56 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611680
It became clear to me there was at least some substance when I saw the C64 case pictures. I am local, so why not take advantage of that and see first hand if he offered? I'm beyond skeptical and yet my conversation with him was interesting, to say the least.


I think it's Leo that's preparing the C64 cases, so I don't know if Barry would have any... of course, I don't know if he wouldn't either, so I'm just saying... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: KThunder on February 02, 2011, 01:26:40 AM
Quote from: Franko;611678
@ Redrumloa

Genuine question this, I would appreciate if you could ask Mr Altman...

My main (in fact only) real gripe is the naming of his products eg: C64x, Amiga 1000x & WorkBench, would it be possible for him to rename the products differently (as they aren't even on sale yet) so as to distinguish them from what most folks would call a C64 or Amiga and thus put an end once and for all for what I believe is total confusion and lets face it nonsense on both sides... :)


We have had the Commodore bv machines, the tulip c64 the c64 dtv, and various amiga entities, and noone interested in the tech has been confused.

I think Red should make this tour as low key, low agression as possible, asking the guy to rename his entire product line is a bit pushy, especially since he paid for the ability to name the products what he did.

Red, I think you are just about the perfect person to do this. I look forward to your report.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 01:45:20 AM
Quote from: KThunder;611692
We have had the Commodore bv machines, the tulip c64 the c64 dtv, and various amiga entities, and noone interested in the tech has been confused.

I think Red should make this tour as low key, low agression as possible, asking the guy to rename his entire product line is a bit pushy, especially since he paid for the ability to name the products what he did.

Red, I think you are just about the perfect person to do this. I look forward to your report.


Well from the Fan Page on CUSAs own site plenty of folk seem confused...

I'm not in a position to either demand or push the owner for a name change I am merely ask him to consider it that's all...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: KThunder on February 02, 2011, 02:08:11 AM
Quote from: Franko;611697
Well from the Fan Page on CUSAs own site plenty of folk seem confused...

I'm not in a position to either demand or push the owner for a name change I am merely ask him to consider it that's all...


And you are entitled to that, but I think he licensed the names and stuff specifically so he could use them. c64dtv isnt confusing I guess, unless you don't know what the dtv stands for.

This might not be the time for that, but a carefully worded suggestion might be ok.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: don27dog on February 02, 2011, 02:13:33 AM
Quote from: Franko;611697
Well from the Fan Page on CUSAs own site plenty of folk seem confused...

I'm not in a position to either demand or push the owner for a name change I am merely ask him to consider it that's all...


Why in the world would he change the name ???? I think you grossly underestimate the value of the name(s). There are thousands and thousands old users out there that loved their systems back in the day that have no clue that winuae, morphos, aros exc.. even exist. Hell I was one of them until a few years ago when I was stuck at my parents house for the holidays bored out of my mind and decided to dig my old amiga gear out of the attic. Once I started playing with it I was hooked again and found you guys and started catching up with what had been going on for the past 12+ years. This community is so broken and segmented that no one can how much potential the Commodore name still has. Outside of this community no one knows Sam, Pegasos, Minimig, Natami, Morphos, Aros exc... but you can bet you ass they know Commodore and Amiga !!!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 02:21:46 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611675
Within reason.

Mine are pretty specific, so you can bring them or not, as you find most reasonable for the conversation.
 
Basically specifics about what the "amiga" machines will run.
 
Linux distro yay/nay
What distro will it be based off ? Will it use Deb or RPM for packages?
What modifications will it include?
Will it be based on an existing desktop environment with a different theme (gnome, kde etc) or be a unique environment?
If its debian based, will there be repo's specific to this distro?
Will the OS be entirely open source or open source with proprietary parts added?
 
Any other info they can provide.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 02:23:20 AM
Quote from: don27dog;611708
Why in the world would he change the name ???? I think you grossly underestimate the value of the name(s). There are thousands and thousands old users out there that loved their systems back in the day that have no clue that winuae, morphos, aros exc.. even exist. Hell I was one of them until a few years ago when I was stuck at my parents house for the holidays bored out of my mind and decided to dig my old amiga gear out of the attic. Once I started playing with it I was hooked again and found you guys and started catching up with what had been going on for the past 12+ years. This community is so broken and segmented that no one can how much potential the Commodore name still has. Outside of this community no one knows Sam, Pegasos, Minimig, Natami, Morphos, Aros exc... but you can bet you ass they know Commodore and Amiga !!!


You think wrong then...

Until June of last year I have since 1982 only ever used Commodore computers on a daily basis (and still do), so to me the names/brands/trademarks really mean something to me, so where you get the idea from that I "grossly underestimate" the value of these brands, gawd only knows... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: KThunder on February 02, 2011, 02:35:05 AM
Quote from: Franko;611711
You think wrong then...

Until June of last year I have since 1982 only ever used Commodore computers on a daily basis (and still do), so to me the names/brands/trademarks really mean something to me, so where you get the idea from that I "grossly underestimate" the value of these brands, gawd only knows... :)


We all want different things. Some of us want C64 Phenom II 6 core monster pcs with a fancy chicken lips logo. Others want a 1982 vintage c64 with a tape drive. Others want pretty much everything in between those extremes.

CUSA, like it or not, has the license to use the Commodore name etc. If they are successful CUSA will make some people very happy, and others less so.

Give them a shot.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 02:38:35 AM
Well it's 2:34am here and I'm off to have my dinner then go to bed, so if you think I think something I'll answer it later... :)

I'd be happy to give them a chance if only they would answer the questions folk are asking them... :)

Need some grub & time to catch up on some WWE (well someones gotta watch it... :))

Now there's a thought "WWE" Word Wrestling Entertainment, formerly WWF (World Wrestling Federation) the fight over that brand (WWF) raged for over 25 years between "World Wresting Federation" & "World Wildlife Fund", World Wildlife Fund won in the end, wonder how long this saga will continue... ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: coldfish on February 02, 2011, 02:55:22 AM
Quote from: KThunder;611712
We all want different things. Some of us want C64 Phenom II 6 core monster pcs with a fancy chicken lips logo...
Give them a shot.



The bleeding edge PC with a C= logo has been done and it barely raised a blip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_Gaming
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: kolla on February 02, 2011, 05:57:57 AM
@red
Could you ask if they have any plans for some real Amiga keyboards? I mean something like A2000/3000/4000 keyboards, correctly located alt and Amiga keys, ctrl on the right place (the caps I could not care less about), del and help... good old classic keyboard - only with USB. I'm sure I'm not the only one who find it akward to use PC keyboards on Amiga systems.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 07:32:00 AM
Quote from: kolla;611735
@red
Could you ask if they have any plans for some real Amiga keyboards? I mean something like A2000/3000/4000 keyboards, correctly located alt and Amiga keys, ctrl on the right place (the caps I could not care less about), del and help... good old classic keyboard - only with USB. I'm sure I'm not the only one who find it akward to use PC keyboards on Amiga systems.


heck, id buy one of those for my regular PC :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Manu on February 02, 2011, 08:13:45 AM
@red

Wish him good luck with the C64x sales.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: MaximvsPayne on February 02, 2011, 08:30:04 AM
i transformed all my peecee keyboards into amiga-keyboards with the help of these little beasts. now all my keyboards are looking pretty cool!





another good alternative is the a-eon keyboard. ok guys, these 2 solutions dont have the original layout but they are available and work pretty good.


Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: MaximvsPayne on February 02, 2011, 08:33:00 AM
what the..? no html allowed?... damn
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: lsmart on February 02, 2011, 08:53:18 AM
Quote from: runequester;611745
heck, id buy one of those for my regular PC :)


I just recently ordered a KeyRah to use an old Amiga as a USB-keyboard for my SAM. With the Catweasle you can connect A2000/A3000/A4000 keyboards to regular PCs as well. So no need to wait. Get yours today ;-)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Amiga_Nut on February 02, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611619
I am local to Barry Altman and Commodore USA. I just got off the phone with Barry and he invited me over to see the progress that is being made with the company and on the products. Considering my initial reaction when I heard of this company and it's products was knee-jerk and sharply skeptical, it would only be fair to Barry to take his invitation to see the products, documentation and anything else he would like to show.

I plan on taking pictures where possible and asking questions. I will probably do a full report here on Amiga.org before the end of the week.

Stay tuned...


I am not interested, nothing personal to him and nothing to do with the death of Amiga with Commodore 1994. More to do with the fact he is not selling Amigas/C64s but PCs with Linux and this new fangled Workbench 5 Linux.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Daedalus on February 02, 2011, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: kolla;611735
@red
Could you ask if they have any plans for some real Amiga keyboards? I mean something like A2000/3000/4000 keyboards, correctly located alt and Amiga keys, ctrl on the right place (the caps I could not care less about), del and help... good old classic keyboard - only with USB. I'm sure I'm not the only one who find it akward to use PC keyboards on Amiga systems.


Yep, I find PC keyboards a little awkward with AmigaOS alright - though I do find them fine with Linux ;)

At the moment these are pretty close:

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=37_95&products_id=973

It is just a modified PC keyboard, but the Alt and Amiga keys are in the right place, has Help marked on the Scroll Lock key (where it normally maps to in AmigaOS) and I'm pretty sure there's a patch somewhere out there to remap Ctrl to the Caps Lock key.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: AmigaNG on February 02, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
If you are taking question here are mine.

Do you agree with Amiga Inc position that use of the Workbench name could harm other Amiga related products.  (that the whole bases for the court case with Cloanto.)

Do you at least understand the concerns and issues that some Amiga users have with using the name Workbench, epsically calling it version 5.

Do you not see a conflict of similar names Amiga 1000X and AmigaOne X1000.

(try not let him turn this around to say a-eon/hyperion should just be told the same thing to change there names, simple fact is both AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne x1000 projects and brand names where used before CommodreUSA and by calling there products so close to these already existing brand name does feel like a lack of respect to the existing Amiga community and is partly the reason for the hostility towards his company )

Thank you, what ever happens, I'm going to buy a lot of pop corn :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: BigBenAussie on February 02, 2011, 09:32:34 AM
@runequester
These are the sort of questions I have been more than happy to discuss on Commodore-Amiga.org for quite some time as the technology go to, and I have been quite open about many things. I invite interested parties to come and chat there. But please be civil.

It's not like we don't understand your concerns, especially as an a A.org member for the past several years, but in most cases there isn't much that can be done to address them for various reasons. Please don't make me regret posting information here in a thread asking for information.

Barry is a smart guy, and he designed the new C64 over many months with the assistance of a design company and Motorola, both of which are situated in Florida. It was not as easy as you all think. We are poised for production of the cases and close to shooting off a huge order for hardware. I'm actually in charge of IT, hardware and software selection and the development side of things, so it would be more appropriate for me to answer your specific tech questions.

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Linux distro yay/nay

Yay of course. We spoke to MorphOS team, we spoke to Hyperion, I posted on AROS dev forums on Commodore's behalf. You know the threats from Hyperion that are getting in the way of our original intention of further "developing" an Amiga-like OS. No-one is stopping AROS or any alternative OS from being installed on our machines if that is what you want. *I* personally may even fund bounties to support this and other things once things solidify regarding our line-up, although I do not anticipate many surprises. We will incorporate in Workbench 5/X, everything required to facilitate the multi-boot of IcAROS later.

I have said on Commodore-Amiga.org that we will be using 2nd Gen Intel Core(Sandybridge) technology with a focus on NVidia graphics throughout our Amiga line-up. This is a strategic choice, that may allow infiltration into many industries as workstations. An Amiga 2000x running at 5+Ghz with multiple overclocked NVidia graphic cards, and OS flexibility, is a very attractive machine in my eyes, and puts the Amiga brand up with the best desktop computers in the world once more. That is only the beginning, as we may even be able to provide super computing performance on our premium model. And of course there will be opportunities with Newtek Video Toaster integration (which they're calling something else now) on a special Amiga Video Toaster edition. So many avenues can finally open up for the Amiga brand.

While Workbench 5(or X) will not be promoted as Linux any more than Android is, it is common knowledge that it is Linux, and we have this in our FAQ. But don't get too hung up on Linux, as we could just as easily switch to a different platform architecture down the track as alternatives advance and suit our needs.

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What distro will it be based off ?

Sorry, you'll have to wait for that info. Gotta keep you interested.
Sign an NDA and I'll tell you. ;-)
I think it is a very good one and we are dealing with prominent members of that community behind the scenes.

We will differentiate our offering by providing an installer for a large set of common applications, which will become central to the "Creativity and Entertainment" promise of our mission statement. I imagine many are opposed to this, and perceive this as bloat, but just think about what Apple offer, and how great it would be to have quite a bit of that functionality available for Workbench right out of the box. You can always uninstall after the fact. But we are planning to provide a common and expansive software collection from the outset, and champion the open source software cause.

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Will it use Deb or RPM for packages?

Yes.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)

More info on that later, and a proposed list of apps that will be included. With the aid of the community at Commodore-Amiga.org this app list will be weeded down or built up further. We aren't saying we know everything there is to know, and we actively seek community participation. We want everything to work out of the box. We believe a potential killer app in a mainstream market will be the expansive functionality and application stack that comes pre-loaded. Everything will be at your fingertips, with as minimal resource usage as possible. Hard disk space is super cheap these days. The Amigas will not be cheap, but our high-end premium model. We will have solely Commodore branding for our lower cost hardware. We are actively pursuing interesting design features for the Amiga cases beyond what you see on the website. Hopefully, more on that later.

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What modifications will it include?

You have to understand that our primary concern is time to market, particularly for the C64, so initially not many. We wanted to provide Ubuntu initially, so a branded solution is really an addendum to our plans. We never promised an entirely new OS, and we will never be able to meet the extraordinarily high expectations that many in this classic community have. We will have to see how the OS side if things develops further.

The community, that is is growing around our products, have demonstrated a desire to work on adding retro features, and there are a few people doing stuff behind the scenes, which I will not comment on until they are ready to. In future Commodore USA will focus on integrating more advanced, and likely proprietary features and apps, in either open or closed source as need be. At the moment we are leaning towards our distro being exclusive to Commodore and Amiga machines and that will be required for support and updates.

Commercial OSes like MacOSX and Windows will not remain the same, and we want to have a hand in creating the 2020 computer interface many years before that. Retro will only go so far, and our Amiga Workbench 5/X development will be forward thinking, integrating the best features from open source projects as well as our own innovations. You have to let go to take off.

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Will it be based on an existing desktop environment with a different theme (gnome, kde etc) or be a unique environment?

We have stated on the Commodore-Amiga.org that it is Gnome based. We believe that provides the most common and consistent desktop paradigm similar in many respects to the original Amiga. This will lessen the learning curve for both new and old Amigans. It also will provide stunning effects and eye-candy second to none which is important in attracting the masses to our products. There are various people in the community working on Amigafying the interface further, but just as the Amiga cases are not replicas nor will the UI be a replica of the original or any of it's more recent offshoots. Reminiscent yes.

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If its debian based, will there be repo's specific to this distro?

Oh yes, the intention is to have our own repos for both the OS and applications stack and likely a rolling distro either initially or on a subsequent release. A repository is essential to ensure hardware compatibility. We want to preserve system stability, and we won't be absolutely bleeding edge as it is too risky. Remember this is Linux for the mainstream and we need to also provide support for this. We will test updates on our hardware before it is pushed to the users. Many people have expressed an interest in being beta-testers and they will be more bleeding edge. We will be announcing a Beta-testing program at the appropriate time. It isn't as big a deal as it would be in the case of entirely custom hardware.

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Will the OS be entirely open source or open source with proprietary parts added?

Proprietary parts, either closed or open sourced in future, as well as community driven open source projects will be added at a later stage.

We anticipate an commercial App store before the end of the year, which may also include Windows programs that work through WINE, as well as Flash, Mono, Java apps and any other framework we can provide etc. That App store will be open to all Linux distros but will be a standard fixture on Workbench. Other distros also have plans for a common app store, and we will see how we can integrate and provide further value to commercial developers as well as bedroom coders.

If all goes well, I anticipate, that we will be sponsoring demo parties in 2012, if not sooner.

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The bleeding edge PC with a C= logo has been done and it barely raised a blip.

We're doing things differently and our success will not hinge on a narrow set of products.
We will also be offering a range of lower end hardware with our compact VIC line. The Amiga name will be associated with our OS efforts across all products, and with our high-end high-performance line. The Retro line will be somewhere in the middle in terms of performance, and we'll do a C64cx and Amiga 500x, once the C64 and Amiga desktops are out.

So the roadmap is, C64x and the compact VIC line first, including a VIC-Book netbook, then Amigas, then more retro cases, and all the while with the OS maturing. By christmas 2011 hopefully things will look entirely different and your doubts about us will have been well and truly quelled. Hopefully, in this time we will have poured siginificant resources into our OS which will slowly mature to provide sufficient interfaces for a tablet and other touch based technology. The upcoming VIC-Touch may even be a test-bed for this tech.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: BigBenAussie on February 02, 2011, 09:33:58 AM
Please realise that our focus is broader than the retro hobby market, and that we are looking more at a mainstream market, in order to recoup the development costs of products. It is for that reason, that classic Amiga USB keyboard replicas or classic hardware and software projects are not within our business plan. There are a multitude of existing projects that can service the classic niche without our involvement, and we definitely do not need a finger in every pie.

I cannot speak on the Amiga Inc. case as I am not involved. IANAL but I imagine Amiga Inc, lawyers will argue in a manner to protect their revenue stream. Amiga Inc. is not fighting on behalf of Hyperion of course. Losing the Workbench name will potentially damage their revenue possibilities from AmigaOS, which I believe is why AmigaOS was sited as an example. We could also just as easily have been brought up I guess, depending on the Lawyer's knowledge of our recent activities and whether they are specifically relevant to the case in question. Don't worry too much about it, or read too much into this. Whatever happens we'll be fine.

The only confusion may be with the original A1000, so as you know we use x as a suffix across our whole replica and Amiga line to differentiate from the originals. The labelling on the machines probably wont even feature the x. You know that Hyperion's product has a One behind the word Amiga, you know it has an X in front of the 1000. All other confusions are unavoidable. I'm afraid you're going to have to get over it.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Kesa on February 02, 2011, 10:10:52 AM
If you really want to impress me you can ask the mother of all questions:

Who is Amiga.inc? :confused:

Is Amigainc run by humans or is it controlled by a hyper intelligent sentient supercomputer? :confused:

What do they intend to do with it in the long term?   :confused:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: adz on February 02, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
Quote from: Franko;611666
You kidding... this is better than the telly... :)

(some of us lead a sad life you know... :()


Tell...eeee o_O
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 10:40:39 AM
Quote from: BigBenAussie;611769
The only confusion may be with the original A1000, so as you know we use x as a suffix across our whole replica and Amiga line to differentiate from the originals. The labelling on the machines probably wont even feature the x. You know that Hyperion's product has a One behind the word Amiga, you know it has an X in front of the 1000. All other confusions are unavoidable. I'm afraid you're going to have to get over it.


Well if this is CUSAs official standpoint on the use of the brand names/trademarks (ie: C64, Amiga, Workbench)... :(

Then I've officially just donned me tin helmet, flak jacket and armed meself to the teeth with exploding squirrels.... :madashell:

Get Ready Boy's IT's WAR... :uzi::quickdraw::destroy:

(Now where'd I leave me tickling stick... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: AmigaNG on February 02, 2011, 10:54:41 AM
Thank you for the response, just a little comment its a tad unprofessional and unnecessary to add the line “I'm afraid you're going to have to get over it.” I completely understand you now own/license to the Amiga name to do with as you want, I was more asking weather you understand and admit that calling these product so close to pre-existing Amiga project is going to cause problems and annoyance from the Amiga community.  
 
Put it this way your company has already admitted its not happy that this very site has amiga.org, now imagine if I started a company called it FommodoreUK and used the same cases called it the A1XXX and place a linux OS on it and called it Kickstart 5.1 you wouldn't be very happy would you.   That all I'm saying and I hope you understand why so many people are negative towards you.  

 Saying things like, we own the name, we can do what we want, deal with, doesn't help matters. You could at least say “we understand you concerns and some of the objections to the name, these products names are not final, and we will take you concerns into consideration” even if its a complete lie that what a proper PR or CTO would do.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: djrikki on February 02, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
@redrumloa

I have a question for him.  Did he enjoy the free postal catalogue from the company based in Florida that sells Viagra products? :lol::lol:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: J-Golden on February 02, 2011, 12:04:38 PM
Well, I am impressed with the responses we are getting.  In the past we've had companies that either wanted to do everything retro (Keep the Amiga classic) or strip the name for something totally left field (Amiga Anywhere).
 
What BigBenAussie has leaked to us to me actually makes sense.  They have paid the money for the name and want to make it into a worth while system again.  Can that really be done with keeping to the "classic" arcitecture and business plan?
 
Not really.
 
Today's computer market isn't the same. System wars are now more in the Video game market in that sense.  Trying to do it with computer hardware is sure fire way to lose all your money.
 
I've always thought that the biggest problem with ANY Linux distro is that there wasn't any solid backing to it.  If the everyday user is going to get into Linux, it'll be through a company that makes ONE build and simplifies the process and trouble shooting for the masses.  In my head, that is exactly their model.  I could be wrong, but hey, that's why I'm not paid for my opinion :)
 
As for some of his comments, mind you, we really can't complain about what he has or hasn't said since we aren't part of the company.  We have not paid thousands and thousands of dollars into this venture so, we aren't owed any explinations.  The whole "deal with it" comment didn't bother me becasue I took the whole text as more of a member talking and sharing info, not an official press release.
 
What really comes of this?  I have no clue.  It could crash and burn for all I know just like everything else that is labled Amiga.  It could turn out to be a fraud; Hey, it could be the most elaborate trick of Doom Master's YET!  I really really HOPE not on any of those accounts.
 
So, howz about we all grab a nice cup of coacoa, and relax by a warm fire while visions of Zool's and Boing Balls dance in our head...  and wait to see what comes of it all.;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 12:18:08 PM
Quote from: BigBenAussie;611768
You have to understand that our primary concern is time to market, particularly for the C64, so initially not many. We wanted to provide Ubuntu initially, so a branded solution is really an addendum to our plans. We never promised an entirely new OS, and we will never be able to meet the extraordinarily high expectations that many in this classic community have. We will have to see how the OS side if things develops further.


With you obviously being chief mouthpiece for CUSA could you at least get you story straight before you type some of this drivel, as quoted above you say "We never promised an entirely new OS, and we will never be able to meet the extraordinarily high expectations that many in this classic community have." yet on the official CUSA website your company claims in regard to Workbench 5

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Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation. A beautiful user interface allows you to easily peruse games for the Commodore PET, Vic20, C16, C64, C128 and AMIGA. No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet.


Now in my books these so called "extraordinarily high expectations" that you claim you can't meet would be that Workbench 5 IS 100% Commodore compatible as the website clearly claims, but here you are saying that this in an extraordinarily high expection... :confused:

Confused... yup I sure am... IS Workebench 5.0 100% Commodore compatible as this claim clearly leads one to believe that Workbench 5 will be able to run every single piece of software ever written for the Amiga (including stuff that "bangs the metal" as they say).

So which one is it, Workebench 5 is 100% Commodore compatible or "extraordinarily high expectations", if I wasn't confused before I sure as hell am now... :insane:

Or does the term "100% Commodore compatible" really mean Commodore as in CommodoreUSA and not Commodore as in the original and genuine Commodore Business Machines... :confused:

Not very good at being a public spokesman for this company are you... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: psxphill on February 02, 2011, 12:45:47 PM
Quote from: Franko;611783
Confused... yup I sure am... IS Workebench 5.0 100% Commodore compatible as this claim clearly leads one to believe that Workbench 5 will be able to run every single piece of software ever written for the Amiga (including stuff that "bangs the metal" as they say).
 
So which one is it, Workebench 5 is 100% Commodore compatible or "extraordinarily high expectations", if I wasn't confused before I sure as hell am now... :insane:

Workbench 5 is linux, which can run uae or vice just fine.
 
The "extraordinarily high expectations" refer to critisism that they are using open source software instead of writing it all from scratch.
 
I don't think it was that confusing.
 
Quote from: AmigaNG;611777
Saying things like, we own the name, we can do what we want, deal with, doesn't help matters. You could at least say “we understand you concerns and some of the objections to the name, these products names are not final, and we will take you concerns into consideration” even if its a complete lie that what a proper PR or CTO would do.

You'd prefer if he lied? Wouldn't that just create more bad feeling in the future?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Manu on February 02, 2011, 01:16:27 PM
Quote from: J-Golden;611782
Well, I am impressed with the responses we are getting.  In the past we've had companies that either wanted to do everything retro (Keep the Amiga classic) or strip the name for something totally left field (Amiga Anywhere).
 
What BigBenAussie has leaked to us to me actually makes sense.  They have paid the money for the name and want to make it into a worth while system again.  Can that really be done with keeping to the "classic" arcitecture and business plan?
 
Not really.
 
Today's computer market isn't the same. System wars are now more in the Video game market in that sense.  Trying to do it with computer hardware is sure fire way to lose all your money.
 
I've always thought that the biggest problem with ANY Linux distro is that there wasn't any solid backing to it.  If the everyday user is going to get into Linux, it'll be through a company that makes ONE build and simplifies the process and trouble shooting for the masses.  In my head, that is exactly their model.  I could be wrong, but hey, that's why I'm not paid for my opinion :)
 

Well put. I agree on your points. Take Linux Mint for example it has it's own polished look, it's themed in a way that you see immidiately that it's Linux Mint. And it has been made easy to use. You could build an new Amiga like OS the same way. You will have to do much more work than just make a new skin but I now see why it can be done.

So here's how to build an Amiga, it can be done in two ways:

1)You take an old "Amiga" (AmigaOS,MorphOS,AROS) you repaint, polish it put some glitter on it (I mean all the coding of course and that takes let's say 10+ years) and then you look for apps to use. You then realize that all Amiga apps are atleast 15 years old and that there are many opens source variants that does the same job much better (Think: OO, Gimp, Blender, Inkscape etc.) You then start to port them to your "AmigaOS" (takes 10 years to get the most important).  So you got your renewed AmigaOS & apps in no time (20 years or so). ;-)

2)Take something already up todate (Linux distro) stuff away everything you don't need, repaint, polish, put some glitter on it. (takes 2+ years to go out of beta, maybe 4 to final polished version you're very proud of). Look for apps to use. You realize you don't need to port them because they where made to work for your chosen OS. You got your renewed AmigaOS in notime compared to the alternative (4 years or so)

Compare the two: Put the machines side by side they both look alike. You have made the CLI looks the same, all windows, screen dragging(TM) of course :) You think you can tell the difference but they both boot as fast, both has equally snappy UI. You look at the apps you use, yup they're the same all from the open source world. OK you have to run the old stuff in a emulator on one of the machines but hey that gets rarely used and emulation works good enough for that. ;-)

So which one is Amiga enough for you? The goals are the same it's only how you get there which is different. To me it doesn't matter but I'd pick the one that has the lowest entry level cost and the one that can get new apps more frequently. I'd dump the one that I'm missing out on. The one that makes me have yet another operating system and even worse yet another machine sitting next to it.

Yeah, reality is harsh but this is how I see it. And Carl,Dave, R&J, Dale isn't coming back to make me a "real" Amiga either ;-)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dwaldrop on February 02, 2011, 01:28:38 PM
@Manu - Well put.  I thinkyou have nailed the realistic options.  

I am willing to give CUSA a chanec to shop a product before I pass judgement.  If they can adapt a Linux system to being the ease of use and feel of Amiga PLUS include a more seamless UAE, I would have to seriously consider them.  

@Red  - Thank you for taking the time and effort to do this for the community.  I appreciate your efforts!!

-David
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Khephren on February 02, 2011, 01:54:08 PM
@Manu

How to say this...Amiga OS functions nothing like Linux.

'Take something already up todate (Linux distro) stuff away everything you don't need, repaint, polish, put some glitter on it'  -so it's really that easy? I want an Amiga that functions like an Amiga, not a themed gnu/linux box.

'they both boot as fast' -how do you know this? My Amiga boots up one hell of a lot faster than windows or my Ubuntu install.

'both has equally snappy UI' again it does not exist, so how do you know?

'You think you can tell the difference' the difference is not just the skin, it's what is under it. I find linux file system inelegent, and the UI and fundamentals too technical. I do not find this with the Amiga.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Amiga_Nut on February 02, 2011, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: Manu;611793
Well put. I agree on your points. Take Linux Mint for example it has it's own polished look, it's themed in a way that you see immidiately that it's Linux Mint. And it has been made easy to use. You could build an new Amiga like OS the same way. You will have to do much more work than just make a new skin but I now see why it can be done.

So here's how to build an Amiga, it can be done in two ways:

1)You take an old "Amiga" (AmigaOS,MorphOS,AROS) you repaint, polish it put some glitter on it (I mean all the coding of course and that takes let's say 10+ years) and then you look for apps to use. You then realize that all Amiga apps are atleast 15 years old and that there are many opens source variants that does the same job much better (Think: OO, Gimp, Blender, Inkscape etc.) You then start to port them to your "AmigaOS" (takes 10 years to get the most important).  So you got your renewed AmigaOS & apps in no time (20 years or so). ;-)

2)Take something already up todate (Linux distro) stuff away everything you don't need, repaint, polish, put some glitter on it. (takes 2+ years to go out of beta, maybe 4 to final polished version you're very proud of). Look for apps to use. You realize you don't need to port them because they where made to work for your chosen OS. You got your renewed AmigaOS in notime compared to the alternative (4 years or so)

Compare the two: Put the machines side by side they both look alike. You have made the CLI looks the same, all windows, screen dragging(TM) of course :) You think you can tell the difference but they both boot as fast, both has equally snappy UI. You look at the apps you use, yup they're the same all from the open source world. OK you have to run the old stuff in a emulator on one of the machines but hey that gets rarely used and emulation works good enough for that. ;-)

So which one is Amiga enough for you? The goals are the same it's only how you get there which is different. To me it doesn't matter but I'd pick the one that has the lowest entry level cost and the one that can get new apps more frequently. I'd dump the one that I'm missing out on. The one that makes me have yet another operating system and even worse yet another machine sitting next to it.

Yeah, reality is harsh but this is how I see it. And Carl,Dave, R&J, Dale isn't coming back to make me a "real" Amiga either ;-)


None of those two are Amiga, MoS/AOS4 are just Amiga OS boxes not Amigas as they all need UAE to run what made Amiga an Amiga (OCS/ECS/AGA) and don't read original Amiga floppy disks. And C= USA's PC Linux machines are definitely not Amiga at all, Amiga stickers+PC maybe ;)

A new real Amiga at the very least =

1. Run Dpaint III without UAE on it
2. Save IFF pic onto floppy disk
3. Take floppy disk and put it inside A500 etc
4. Load pic from floppy into Dpaint running on A500 without cross dos etc
5. Incorporate the pic into a Blitzbasic demo running on A500

(the whole point of the exercise, use Dpaint on a virtual 040 via UAE, use the output on a real Amiga as intended)

That doesn't even allow for the whingers going on about banging the metal for games only :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: JC on February 02, 2011, 02:05:51 PM
Quote from: murple;611658
Why are people paying this asshat any attention? Commodore & Amiga died in 1994 and anybody else claiming the name since then (with the exception of Escom) needs to be ignored into nonexistence.


I have to say that I pretty much agree with this statement. I mean if all they're doing is putting peecees in different cases, so what, who cares.
I am still interested in Amiga companies doings like Aeon, Acube, and Hyperion but not so much in these CommodoreClowns from outer space.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Daedalus on February 02, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
@Amiga_Nut

A new Amiga with a floppy drive? Come on, skinning Linux isn't going to give you a modern Amiga, but keeping the old internals and OS of a classic isn't either. I know some PCs which physically can't support a floppy drive (well, maybe a USB one), and even if they did, Windows probably wouldn't run the software on them without DOSBox or similar.

I don't know about DPaint, but I know that PPaint 68k works fine on my OS4.1 machine, can load and save IFF images which I can shuttle across the network to my AGA A1200, where they load perfectly into PPaint. And Multiview. Instead of floppy disks I can use an SD card and PCMCIA adaptor which works a treat. Also, my AmiBlitz software which doesn't hit the hardware directly works the very same under OS4.1 (but faster) as it does on my A1200.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Manu on February 02, 2011, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Khephren;611800
@Manu

How to say this...Amiga OS functions nothing like Linux.

Trust me I was aware of that :-) But what if you could tweak Linux to work the same way, and the difference is something you can only prove by looking at the source code?

Quote

'they both boot as fast' -how do you know this? My Amiga boots up one hell of a lot faster than windows or my Ubuntu install.


I was of course hypothetically speaking. Boot time is one challenge with project 2) amongst many others.

Quote

'both has equally snappy UI' again it does not exist, so how do you know?

Same as above

Quote

'You think you can tell the difference' the difference is not just the skin, it's what is under it. I find linux file system inelegent, and the UI and fundamentals too technical. I do not find this with the Amiga.


I agree, if it's done in a sloppy way it won't be anything I desire either. But if it's done right you'd not notice the above either.

Another question is : just because it never has been done does that mean it can't be done?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jorkany on February 02, 2011, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: AmigaNG;611777
Saying things like, we own the name, we can do what we want, deal with, doesn't help matters.

Okay but:

Quote
You could at least say “we understand you concerns and some of the objections to the name, these products names are not final, and we will take you concerns into consideration” even if its a complete lie that what a proper PR or CTO would do.

Hyperion and Co. don't do this either but I don't see you up in arms about that.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 02, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
Quote from: jorkany;611814
Okay but:



Hyperion and Co. don't do this either but I don't see you up in arms about that.


Exactly, there were those of us who were up in arms over those dodgy rebadge Teron mobos being called an "Amiga" back in the day as well.  Did they listen to us or ask us about our concerns back then?  No, they didn't have to and they didn't, end of story.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: JC on February 02, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
Outside of this community no one knows Sam, Pegasos, Minimig, Natami, Morphos, Aros exc... but you can bet you ass they know Commodore and Amiga !!![/QUOTE]

You forgot Efika.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: dammy;611818
end of story.


You kidding... this is just the preface to a whole new story in Life & Times Of The Amiga... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Khephren on February 02, 2011, 03:59:06 PM
Quote from: Manu;611812

Another question is : just because it never has been done does that mean it can't be done?


Dunno Manu, i'm not sure how much of gnu/linux you could change, and still have it run all that software. Where are the Linux gurus? (yeah, Runequester you!) can the fundamentals of linux be changed that heavily? or would ir cease to be linux? or just an akward hybrid of the two?

There was a project that aimed to be an amiga like linux, was it anubis? not sure.

Anyway, you'd be better off altering BeOs/Haiku, as it's Amiga like to start with.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 02, 2011, 04:00:13 PM
Quote from: Franko;611824
You kidding... this is just the preface to a whole new story in Life & Times Of The Amiga... :)


True but I was referring to Hyperion/Eyetech not caring on what some of us thought at the time.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: desiv on February 02, 2011, 04:18:22 PM
Yes, I prefer to think of Commodore (even just the name) not being owned by a ruthless cheater who would do almost anything just to make money...

er..  wait...  are we talking about Jack again???

desiv
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
Quote from: Khephren;611835
Dunno Manu, i'm not sure how much of gnu/linux you could change, and still have it run all that software. Where are the Linux gurus? (yeah, Runequester you!) can the fundamentals of linux be changed that heavily? or would ir cease to be linux? or just an akward hybrid of the two?

There was a project that aimed to be an amiga like linux, was it anubis? not sure.

Anyway, you'd be better off altering BeOs/Haiku, as it's Amiga like to start with.


well, look at android, then look at KDE, then look at your wireless router. Linux is just a kernel, you can staple just about anything to it.

Changing the fundamental file system would be tricky, but honestly, I can't foresee that actually being a big deal. 99% of a users interactions is with stuff in his home folder, which is called whatever he wants it to be called.
A GUI that functions like amiga already exists, it just needs to be built out more and include a proper file browser etc.

Running native amiga apps can be done too, but it'd be a lot of work to recreate the api's. But it was done for WINE, it could be done for amiga too. Is it worth the effort compared to emulation? You tell me.


BeOS and Haiku are sweet, but then you are back at "limited range of hardware". Linux has it all, including stuff you wouldn't even imagine, and you get to tap into a lot of corporate support ensuring future hardware support as well.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: BigBenAussie;611768
@runequester
These are the sort of questions I have been more than happy to discuss on Commodore-Amiga.org for quite some time as the technology go to, and I have been quite open about many things. I invite interested parties to come and chat there. But please be civil.


trying to limit my internet time, so amiga.org will have to be my haunt for now.
I appreciate your responses though, thank you.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Iggy on February 02, 2011, 05:32:58 PM
Quote from: desiv;611842
Yes, I prefer to think of Commodore (even just the name) not being owned by a ruthless cheater who would do almost anything just to make money...

er..  wait...  are we talking about Jack again???

desiv


That is an unwarranted personal attack. I believe Red has already warned someone else against such actions.
So far no one  has been 'cheated'.
Further more, frequent posts have been made on this site favoring a move to X86 hardware.

You do realize your statement is blatant slander don't you?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Bundi on February 02, 2011, 05:41:41 PM
If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?

O.T: Good to see you back Franko, am aye chuffed tae see some scoattish banter on the internet noo that am awah doon sooth, yi ken f'like.

Bunders
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jorkany on February 02, 2011, 06:03:58 PM
Quote from: Bundi;611865
If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?

It depends if they modify any GPL'd code. Think of the relationship between Darwin and OS X - Darwin itself is open source, but many layers of OS X are not.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 06:05:21 PM
Quote from: Bundi;611865
If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?

O.T: Good to see you back Franko, am aye chuffed tae see some scoattish banter on the internet noo that am awah doon sooth, yi ken f'like.

Bunders


Hmm... wur rat accent o yours ye must be frae ra east cost ah reckon, Aberdonian maybes ur Dundee ah hink, if ye ur frae Dundee yur no an Arab ur ye... ;)

(PS: If yur livin doon sooth noo gie ra buggers hell an teach rum how tae gibber propurly... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 02, 2011, 06:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bundi;611865
If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?
 
O.T: Good to see you back Franko, am aye chuffed tae see some scoattish banter on the internet noo that am awah doon sooth, yi ken f'like.
 
Bunders

Not inherently no. They could add proprietary or closed parts to it, but anything containing GPL code would generally have to be GPL itself.
 
So theoretically they could write an amiga like desktop environment that was proprietary, and have it run on top.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Digiman on February 02, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
Quote from: Daedalus;611806
@Amiga_Nut

A new Amiga with a floppy drive? Come on, skinning Linux isn't going to give you a modern Amiga, but keeping the old internals and OS of a classic isn't either. I know some PCs which physically can't support a floppy drive (well, maybe a USB one), and even if they did, Windows probably wouldn't run the software on them without DOSBox or similar.

I don't know about DPaint, but I know that PPaint 68k works fine on my OS4.1 machine, can load and save IFF images which I can shuttle across the network to my AGA A1200, where they load perfectly into PPaint. And Multiview. Instead of floppy disks I can use an SD card and PCMCIA adaptor which works a treat. Also, my AmiBlitz software which doesn't hit the hardware directly works the very same under OS4.1 (but faster) as it does on my A1200.


I would love an OS which can do what was asked originally and it's not unreasonable. Doesn't matter if UAE is involved or not to me where running the code is concerned but it is reasonable to expect someone asking for my cash for an OS licence to get into partnership and make a cheap FD controller to use a Mac/PC/PPC machine hosting that OS.

If I can't swap between said machine and a real Amiga then I'll stick with PC + WinUAE as that does it all using very powerful x86 components.

What the UAE team need to do is take a leaf out of STeem's book and let me choose virtual CPU mhz so I can have a 400mhz virtual 68060 or just 28mhz 68020.

So new cheap FDD adaptor + virtual CPU speed control in UAEl= 'new Amiga' IMO :)

(STeem = Atari ST emulator)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: desiv on February 02, 2011, 06:53:24 PM
Quote from: Iggy;611862
So far no one  has been 'cheated'.
Not familiar with Jack Tramiel?  :)

desiv
p.s.  Perhaps I should have added smileys in my post above.. I couldn't imagine that being taken seriously, but...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jay on February 02, 2011, 07:09:06 PM
what does this mean? is there still a commodore usa. what have they bin working on? thought they went bang in 94?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Paulie85 on February 02, 2011, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: jay;611905
what does this mean? is there still a commodore usa. what have they bin working on?

Furniture mainly from what I've heard.
It is not really the original company but someone who has paid for the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga names on PC hardware operating under their own Linux distro(Workbench 5/X).
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 02, 2011, 09:26:30 PM
Quote from: Paulie85;611909
Furniture mainly from what I've heard.


Prior to that, satellite receiver equipment design with GM and Hughes Satellite as partners and also cable TV front ends.  So lots of cutting edge stuff besides owning a furniture production plant in China and warehouse in Florida.

Quote
It is not really the original company but someone who has paid for the rights to use the Commodore and Amiga names on PC hardware operating under their own Linux distro(Workbench 5/X).


More like the C=USA is about to release a x86 version of the C64 (C64x) and Vic series.  Later on this year they will work on (x86 based) A1000x, A2000x, and a A3000x with a follow on to WB5.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Kesa on February 02, 2011, 09:27:43 PM
Quote from: Bundi;611865
If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?

O.T: Good to see you back Franko, am aye chuffed tae see some scoattish banter on the internet noo that am awah doon sooth, yi ken f'like.

Bunders

Are you two related somehow? :confused:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Kesa on February 02, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
What about the $30 million advertising + marketing campaign? :confused:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Kesa;611923
Are you two related somehow? :confused:


I think he's the other me, cos I've only been here by myself all day, I reckon I must have managed to escape while I wasn't looking and sneaked over the border to the land of the engles and opened a new account here... :)

Just wait till I get hold of myself, I'll sure have some words to say to me... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 10:08:37 PM
Quote from: Kesa;611925
What about the $30 million advertising + marketing campaign? :confused:

I've been told I will be shown some things related to this. I am VERY eager to see what will be shown.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 02, 2011, 10:21:58 PM
Quote from: jay;611905
what does this mean? is there still a commodore usa. what have they bin working on? thought they went bang in 94?



The branch known as Commodore North America from the 80's, which you may be referring to, is completely active and have announced product and shipping dates already.

Quote
Commodore expects to ship its new products to distribution channels across the USA before March 1, 2011 followed by selected countries in Europe and Asian Pacific. The new download gaming platform for USA will officially be announced on or before March 1.2011.



The entire epoch would take far too long to relate, but you can read a bit about them here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33044&forum=17)

C=USA, being discussed here, is an entirely different licensee.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
One thing I would really like to know about Mr Altman, I know it's personal and he may choose not to answer it but the question is this... :)

Was, is or has he ever been a user of the original CBM products (ie:VIC 20, C64 or Amiga) or is his business venture just based upon the brand names and what he hopes to achieve by building his new business on them... :)

I only ask because on his site I see no mention of him ever being a Commodore user of any sort, only stuff about "reviving and re-establishing the famous Commodore computer brand."... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: Franko;611952
One thing I would really like to know about Mr Altman, I know it's personal and he may choose not to answer it but the question is this... :)

Was, is or has he ever been a user of the original CBM products (ie:VIC 20, C64 or Amiga) or is his business venture just based upon the brand names and what he hopes to achieve by building his new business on them... :)

I only ask because on his site I see no mention of him ever being a Commodore user of any sort, only stuff about "reviving and re-establishing the famous Commodore computer brand."... :)

He told me he was an active C= user and says he has a photo of himself using a C64 in the early 80's.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on February 02, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
Quote
He told me he was an active C= user and says he has a photo of himself using a C64 in the early 80's.    
I know, from Leo, that he also used Video Toaster Amigas. :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;611953
He told me he was an active C= user and says he has a photo of himself using a C64 in the early 80's.


Ahh well at least he had some taste at one point... :)

(PS:would like to see the photo though, I'm a teensy weensy wee bit of a sceptical bugger at times... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 02, 2011, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: Franko;611955
Ahh well at least he had some taste at one point... :)

(PS:would like to see the photo though, I'm a teensy weensy wee bit of a sceptical bugger at times... :))

I was told I can get a scan:hammer:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: trekiej on February 02, 2011, 10:34:30 PM
@ red :
Best of luck for your trip, I hope it will be fun and informative.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 02, 2011, 10:36:28 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;611956
I was told I can get a scan:hammer:


I had my regular scan last Friday... my last brain cells still there... :)

On a more serious note, this I gotta see... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: kolla on February 03, 2011, 12:45:01 AM
Quote from: lsmart;611760
I just recently ordered a KeyRah to use an old Amiga as a USB-keyboard for my SAM. With the Catweasle you can connect A2000/A3000/A4000 keyboards to regular PCs as well. So no need to wait. Get yours today ;-)


Already have two keyrahs, still want real new Amiga keyboards.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Plaz on February 03, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
@BigBenTheAussie

Workbench 5/X

Ok, someone finally hit name I like. Just like that ...  "Workbench 5/X"

BTW, I was a big fan of the QNX option, so linux base doesn't phase me. Can it "feel" like Amiga.... surprise me.

Plaz
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: kolla on February 03, 2011, 01:00:13 AM
As someone who's been using both AmigaOS and Linux since 1994 or thereabouts, I have zero trust in CUSA being capable to make Workbench 5/X whatever usable. At best it will be a semi broken skin to some existing DE. These people have shown over and over again that they're pretty clueless when it comes to software, how Linux works and how AmigaOS works.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Plaz on February 03, 2011, 01:26:34 AM
Quote from: kolla;612019
At best it will be a semi broken skin to some existing DE.


Bleh... I hope they do better than raise that from the dead.

Plaz
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Kesa on February 03, 2011, 01:27:50 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;611956
I was told I can get a scan:hammer:

What's a scan? :confused:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Plaz on February 03, 2011, 01:34:02 AM
Quote from: Kesa;612025
What's a scan? :confused:


Digital reproduction of an old photograph.  

Plaz
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: klx300r on February 03, 2011, 01:39:22 AM
Quote from: Kesa;612025
What's a scan? :confused:


where AI is concerned it's spelled "S C A M"
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: wawrzon on February 03, 2011, 02:24:59 AM
i suspect the niche that this commodore usa enterprise could succesfully occupate and exploit would be updated case remakes design and fabrication. this is what we lack in this community and what none here can fund. the c64 draft looks cool, something like that for atx or whatever format boards for aos or aros be bearing a resemblance to the original design, the original keyboard format would be sure welcome and well bought. doing anything further software or system related is better left with professionals, and would most likely bring them no return. in the end who apart of the customer needs to decide what board and what software sticks inside such a case, e it os4 or windows/linux.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Darrin on February 03, 2011, 02:45:58 AM
OK Jim, here's some tips:

If he offers you something to drink then don't touch it.
If he offers to make you CEO of sales in return for you investing your life savings then don't.
Whatever you do, don't fall asleep otherwise that gestating alien seed pod under your chair will take you over and you'll become "one of them"!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 02:20:06 PM
I had a pleasant evening with Barry Altman, Moochie, Dammy and CyberEye last night. When I get a chance this weekend, I'll type something up. I don't have any sort of inside scoop into provide, afaik all the the information is probably already out there in one form or another. Hopefully putting together a report will help put things in context for some. There will be a few pretty cool pictures.:hammer:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: trekiej on February 04, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
Great.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 02:27:55 PM
@Darrin,
I know you were joking, but I will bite.
 
Quote
If he offers you something to drink then don't touch it.

He offered me a Coke Zero, it was well chilled and went down well.
 
Quote
If he offers to make you CEO of sales in return for you investing your life savings then don't.

No job offers were made and no requests for money.
 
Quote
Whatever you do, don't fall asleep otherwise that gestating alien seed pod under your chair will take you over and you'll become "one of them"!

That would have been cool, I never find myself in a sci-fi movie plot:(
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: cicero790 on February 04, 2011, 02:29:30 PM
Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 04, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
@ Redrumloa

Can't wait... :) but how do we know your not "one of them" now... ;)

Just gave my keyboard a good clean and used some WD40 in anticipation of a mad posting frenzy... :)

(PS:keep hold of the copyrights on your photos, apart from certain folk erm... "borrowing"" them they could be valuable evidence once day... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: tone007 on February 04, 2011, 02:50:44 PM
Nice avatar, Franko!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on February 04, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612407
I had a pleasant evening with Barry Altman, Moochie, Dammy and CyberEye last night. When I get a chance this weekend, I'll type something up. I don't have any sort of inside scoop into provide, afaik all the the information is probably already out there in one form or another. Hopefully putting together a report will help put things in context for some. There will be a few pretty cool pictures.:hammer:

Nice. Btw, who is CyberEye? A member here or...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 04, 2011, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: Franko;612414
@ Redrumloa

Can't wait... :) but how do we know your not "one of them" now... ;)

Just gave my keyboard a good clean and used some WD40 in anticipation of a mad posting frenzy... :)

(PS:keep hold of the copyrights on your photos, apart from certain folk erm... "borrowing"" them they could be valuable evidence once day... :))




I'm not sure if this was stated by C=USA here or merely debated, but it was just stated/clarified on AW concerning the boingball:

ScOOby: "I am not sure but I think they don't have the rights to use the boing ball, do they?"

digitex: "yes, of course we do, explicitly."

ScOOby: "BTW: And I am not sure if the picture of the boing ball is licensed from the artist."

digitex: "yes, of course it is, along with other projects he has done, and is doing for us."

source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33152&forum=28&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 04, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Quote from: tone007;612415
Nice avatar, Franko!


It was erm... "borrowed" or "CUSAed" as it now known, from a very talented guy whom I think you may know quite well and could you tell him thank you when you see him... ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 03:34:32 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;612416
Nice. Btw, who is CyberEye? A member here or...

Yes he is (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1458) a member, but has not logged in since 2004. He is an old, old friend of mine who tagged along out of curiosity. Cybereye was my business partner in the short lived Anachronism Industries. He and his father used to own an authorized Amiga dealer store and Commodore/Amiga repair store in the 80's and 90's in South Florida.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 04, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612423
Yes he is (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1458) a member, but has not logged in since 2004. He is an old, old friend of mine who tagged along out of curiosity. Cybereye was my business partner in the short lived Anachronism Industries. He and his father used to own an authorized Amiga dealer store and Commodore/Amiga repair store in the 80's and 90's in South Florida.


Hmm...I see mention on another site of the tv commercials.
Perhaps next time you have a joint reporting mission, you could all sign reporter NDAs, to avoid early leaks. Heh.
Then again, I've seen my share of intentional leaks over the years too.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jorkany on February 04, 2011, 03:50:30 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612423
Yes he is (http://www.amiga.org/forums/member.php?u=1458) a member, but has not logged in since 2004. He is an old, old friend of mine who tagged along out of curiosity. Cybereye was my business partner in the short lived Anachronism Industries. He and his father used to own an authorized Amiga dealer store and Commodore/Amiga repair store in the 80's and 90's in South Florida.

That store wouldn't happen to have been in Venice, would it? And also sold NeXT boxes?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 04, 2011, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612407
I had a pleasant evening with Barry Altman, Moochie, Dammy and CyberEye last night. When I get a chance this weekend, I'll type something up. I don't have any sort of inside scoop into provide, afaik all the the information is probably already out there in one form or another. Hopefully putting together a report will help put things in context for some. There will be a few pretty cool pictures.:hammer:


Meeting went well last night.  Barry is now a proud owner of a Black Troll Technology Corporation - AROS t-shirt! ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: number6;612429
Hmm...I see mention on another site of the tv commercials.
Perhaps next time you have a joint reporting mission, you could all sign reporter NDAs, to avoid early leaks. Heh.
Then again, I've seen my share of intentional leaks over the years too.
 
#6

Actually after the meeting I got the impression a report really wasn't needed or warranted, but I know some people here are looking forward to one. I have no exclusive info and no NDAs were needed. There were only a couple of names mentioned that we were informally asked not to repeat.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
Quote from: dammy;612432
Meeting went well last night. Barry is now a proud owner of a Black Troll Technology Corporation - AROS t-shirt! ;)

And I got to wear my Amiga.org staff shirt, which is a rare occasion:lol:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 04, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
Quote from: jorkany;612430
That store wouldn't happen to have been in Venice, would it? And also sold NeXT boxes?

No, it started in Pembroke Pines and ended in Davie. They never sold NeXT boxes. It was an authorized Amiga dealer which did repairs on all Commodore hardware. After the demise of Commodore they sold PC clones for a short while before closing up shop. I got my early start on eBay back in ~1997 helping liquidate old stock for the store. The name was "Computer Lane". The answering machine message was made with an Amiga and the program Say.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 04, 2011, 04:25:46 PM
Quote from: number6;612417
I'm not sure if this was stated by C=USA here or merely debated, but it was just stated/clarified on AW concerning the boingball:

ScOOby: "I am not sure but I think they don't have the rights to use the boing ball, do they?"

digitex: "yes, of course we do, explicitly."

ScOOby: "BTW: And I am not sure if the picture of the boing ball is licensed from the artist."

digitex: "yes, of course it is, along with other projects he has done, and is doing for us."

source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33152&forum=28&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)

#6

That source is an AmigaWorld thread, from a poster claiming to be a member of CUSA.  It is hardly a clarification, although it certainly was a statement.

It's all moot, anyway.  A better statement is "What is going to stop them from using the boing ball?"
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: mechy on February 04, 2011, 04:29:11 PM
Red,
   no need, just report to us when CUSA has died :) thats all we need to know ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: smerf on February 04, 2011, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Franko;611629
Ask him why he doesn't like me... :(


Hi,

Boy Franko,

Talk about setting yourself up.

1.  First you aren't Irish.
2.  Loose lips sink ships.
3.  Doomy has a better rep.
4.  LOL, LOL, LOL, LOFL
5.  Do you really skate?
6.  The younger gen just hate us old men.
7. etc. etc. etc.

Glad to see you back

smerf
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 04, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;612445
That source is an AmigaWorld thread, from a poster claiming to be a member of CUSA.  It is hardly a clarification, although it certainly was a statement.

That might depend on how you interpret his 1st two posts on the website.

"Tnx, guys.

Leo has been taking the brunt of a huge amount of unwarranted & unfounded commentary of late, so I am stepping in for a while as his relief pitcher and pinch hitter.
I respect the fact that this is your forum...your ballpark...your bat...and GOD knows, the huge set of balls some of you carry around. But I'm here to play the game..and I'd be more than happy to call it a tie at the bottom of the ninth. But now we're in overtime...and I do plan to win.

digitex"

If you still feel he's an employee or spokesman, fine.

It's all moot, anyway.  A better statement is "What is going to stop them from using the boing ball?"


All I have on that is:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?qs=78940426

The fate is open to debate, I guess.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 04, 2011, 05:01:27 PM
Hi Smerf... :)

yup, just canny keep ma big mooth shut...

but in response to your answers...

1. Im 100% Scottish with about 50% Lithuanian 49% German & 1.5% Irish thrown in... :)
2. My lips could sink an entire navy... :)
3. Doomy is my rep... :)
4. Well gotta agree on that one... :)
5. Only on thin ice... :)
6. We may be old but we can still run rings round the young whippersnappers (with the aid of medication)... :)
7. Agreed... :)

It's nice to be back, well for me at least... :)

Franko
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 04, 2011, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612437
Actually after the meeting I got the impression a report really wasn't needed or warranted, but I know some people here are looking forward to one. I have no exclusive info and no NDAs were needed. There were only a couple of names mentioned that we were informally asked not to repeat.


I still say a report is indeed needed, and probably done by chapters to sectionalize all the information Barry gave out last night.  That was a wealth of information Barry gave about his history alone that should be shared. Then the overall opinions on the C64x and Vic models, and the history of what had to be done to get the C64x keyboard and case reproduced.  Of course your overall opinion of Barry and his view of where he is steering C=USA towards.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: commodorejohn on February 04, 2011, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: dammy;612469
I still say a report is indeed needed, and probably done by chapters to sectionalize all the information Barry gave out last night.  That was a wealth of information Barry gave about his history alone that should be shared. Then the overall opinions on the C64x and Vic models, and the history of what had to be done to get the C64x keyboard and case reproduced.  Of course your overall opinion of Barry and his view of where he is steering C=USA towards.
I'm less interested in Barry's life story than in learning what his goal is and what drives his decisions. I don't want to make assumptions about the guy when we could hear it straight from him, but the website full of unmaintained announcements, irrelevant minor details in the absence of solid, significant information, and arguably misleading comparisons to the actual original machines, not to mention the behavior of his employee-slash-unofficial evangelist BigBenAussie (who has been openly hostile not just to flamers, but to people with actual, honestly-stated concerns about the site and the products) raise some serious questions about what he's even trying to do with this.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jorkany on February 04, 2011, 07:24:23 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;612475
I'm less interested in Barry's life story than in learning what his goal is and what drives his decisions. I don't want to make assumptions about the guy when we could hear it straight from him, but the website full of unmaintained announcements, irrelevant minor details in the absence of solid, significant information, and arguably misleading comparisons to the actual original machines, not to mention the behavior of his employee-slash-unofficial evangelist BigBenAussie (who has been openly hostile not just to flamers, but to people with actual, honestly-stated concerns about the site and the products) raise some serious questions about what he's even trying to do with this.


It's so funny. The exact same thing could be said word-for-word about Ben Hermans and Hyperion/A-eon.

Personally I think Barry is a bit of a huckster. Unless CUSA comes up with something crazily compelling I don't see myself ever buying a CUSA product. But I have to give the guy credit, he's done a lot better job of promoting CUSA than Hyperion and Co. have done. And yet they're both doing essentially the same thing - Hyperion has an Amiga labeled OS, and CUSA has a Commodore (and soon Amiga) labeled computer. But CUSA has been at it less than year as opposed to Hyperion's ten years.

The thing is, the concept behind CUSA is so simple - how can anyone wonder about what the goal is or what drives Barry's decisions? The goal is: take the easiest route to getting some Commodore machines out there. It doesn't matter if it's little more than a familiar looking case and a label, the name Commodore still has resonance. And after that do the same with Amiga. Clearly the objective is to make money, and as for what drives the decisions it's just the easiest route.

It's a damn no-brainer. It really makes me wonder why Hyperion went through (and still is going through) the effort of making yet another Amiga-like OS and some weird-ass proprietary hardware when all they had to do was slap a label on a box. To me the question should be what is the goal of Hyperion and what drives Ben Hermans decisions, because what Hyperion does has no traction.

I've heard that the CUSA TV ads were shown at the meeting, and will air on all the major networks. Once that happens the name Commodore will really be out there in front of a lot of people, many of them who haven't thought about Commodore or the Amiga in well over a decade. Just musing here but what's going to happen when those people start showing up on sites like this and AWN?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: runequester on February 04, 2011, 07:25:43 PM
I imagine the interwebs will freeze over ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 04, 2011, 07:29:11 PM
Quote from: jorkany;612500
Just musing here but what's going to happen when those people start showing up on sites like this and AWN?


Hmm... hadn't thought about that... :(

But when the two of them start showing up here I reckon I'll be typing a hell of a lot more posts (if that's possible)... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Tension on February 04, 2011, 07:30:49 PM
pfffffffffffffffffft
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: commodorejohn on February 04, 2011, 07:30:52 PM
Quote from: jorkany;612500
It's so funny. The exact same thing could be said word-for-word about Ben Hermans and Hyperion/A-eon.
Could be. I'm not an A-Eon apologist and have never followed any shenanigans they may have been involved in.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: jorkany on February 04, 2011, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Franko;612502
Hmm... hadn't thought about that... :(

But when the two of them start showing up here I reckon I'll be typing a hell of a lot more posts (if that's possible)... :)


Well I look forward to that! :) Can't wait for those people to discover there's a Commodore Scotland! Some heads might explode...

Say, you should look into hooking up with a local distillery and get a Commodore branded scotch! Why not? If CUSA can put a C= label on a PC, certainly you can put a C= label on a bottle.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Darrin on February 04, 2011, 07:52:07 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612437
There were only a couple of names mentioned that we were informally asked not to repeat.


Bill Buck
iWin
Merlancia
Lord Lucan

?

;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
@ Redrumloa

Any chance we're going to see this "report" or is this the first big non-event of 2011... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Arkhan on February 05, 2011, 07:37:26 PM
Quote from: Franko;612773
@ Redrumloa

Any chance we're going to see this "report" or is this the first big non-event of 2011... :)


+1
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 05, 2011, 07:47:39 PM
Quote from: Arkhan;612774
+1


hmm..unless I read this thread and others wrong Red seems to think a report is not necessary and Dammy thinks otherwise.
Perhaps this is evidence of yet another new amiga division to insert amongst all the others.
Those who determine what constitutes being newsworthy and those that make a report and let the readers decide if it is news.?

Franko, what thinkest thou?

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: orb85750 on February 05, 2011, 07:53:15 PM
It's bad enough that all CUSA stuff may be vaporware, but now even the writing about it might be too?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: number6;612777
hmm..unless I read this thread and others wrong Red seems to think a report is not necessary and Dammy thinks otherwise.
Perhaps this is evidence of yet another new amiga division to insert amongst all the others.
Those who determine what constitutes being newsworthy and those that make a report and let the readers decide if it is news.?

Franko, what thinkest thou?

#6


Glad you you asked... (I'll byte) :)

Well Red seems to have changed his tune pretty quickly after his wee visit to CUSAs brain washing lab (judging by his short comments & retractions in some of his posts here)... :)

If Fanboy Dammy thinks otherwise then I can only conclude that Red has gone to the darkside and DammyFanBoy is praying Red has been convinced enough to write a glowing report in favour of CUSA... :)

Just an opinion based on what I've read here so far... :)


@ orb85750

It's been fun though... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: SysAdmin on February 05, 2011, 08:06:49 PM
I'm looking forward to that full report including what hospital all the CUSA employees were born in, were they Gerber babies, were they breast fed Etc.

:)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
Quote from: Transition;612784
I'm looking forward to that full report including what hospital all the CUSA employees were born in, were they Gerber babies, were they breast fed Etc.

:)

Family Bed as well... also any early childhood divorce, rickets, immunization records, passoprt issuances, countries visited, maiden names, terrorist watch lists, and political affiliation...

but mostly I want to know if they have any real product or are they full of shit.  :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 05, 2011, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: Franko;612780
Glad you you asked... (I'll byte) :)

Well Red seems to have changed his tune pretty quickly after his wee visit to CUSAs brain washing lab (judging by his short comments & retractions in some of his posts here)... :)

If Fanboy Dammy thinks otherwise then I can only conclude that Red has gone to the darkside and DammyFanBoy is praying Red has been convinced enough to write a glowing report in favour of CUSA... :)

Just an opinion based on what I've read here so far... :)


hmm...I'm beginning to see why some of this was deemed not so earthshattering.
On AW, where Dammy is giving some of the highlights, we have:
"Wait till Redrumloa posts a very young looking Barry working on a C64 back during his cabletech days."
which was posted in response to a user posting a current picture of Barry.
I'm not sure whether the insinuation here regards age or whether he thinks people are waiting with baited breath to see a picture of Barry with a C64?
Either way...I now understand Red's hesitancy about the degree of newsworthiness, if these are the high points. Heh.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
Well judging by what Dammy (AKA Damocles) has to say AW.net, the highlight of the visit (should the report appear) is going to be this... ;)

What Dammy thinks we've got to look forward too... (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33158&forum=2#599846)

(OOPs... Number6 beat me to that one while I was typing... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: smerf on February 05, 2011, 08:22:19 PM
Hi,

@red,

How can it be a C64 if it doesn't have only 64K of memory. Does the new C64 have 64 meg of memory, we have to remember that a true C64 the 64 stands for the amount of memory.

My next question is will the C64 have a plug in cartridge slot in the back so that we could play Commodore cartridge games. USB doesn't count unless Commodore is planning to make programs on USB.

Lucky thing Jay Miner didn't have to depend on todays amiga users for info, the Amiga would have never came out.

Who cares what OS, Jay Miner would have told you this is what we picked now use it and besides Ubuntu is pretty new and a very nice multi-tasking OS. I could live with it, but I know you MAC users would be crying from here to hello and back. The problem with today's Amiga users is that they can't decide on anything o be happy with anything. Computers have come a long way since 1993, and the Original Amiga needs an entirely new facelift and rebuild.

smerf
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: commodorejohn on February 05, 2011, 08:22:34 PM
See, I'd just like to know whether or not they came away with any significant information about C-USA or not. If they just had a fun evening with Barry and shot the shit, that's fine, I don't need a detailed summary, but I'd like to know one way or the other.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 05, 2011, 08:24:03 PM
Quote from: Franko;612791
Well judging by what Dammy (AKA Damocles) has to say AW.net, the highlight of the visit (should the report appear) is going to be this... ;)

What Dammy thinks we've got to look forward too... (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33158&forum=2#599846)

(OOPs... Number6 beat me to that one while I was typing... :))



Heh.

I can see why this was done, but really...If you read any Commodore site, you can read posts (undisputed) from admins that Barry had a C64.
The only reason I can see for this picture, is to prove the connection to days of yore without having to give such links, which might not satisfy all readers.

I also wonder why Dammy felt it necessary to single out "FOX" individually on moo in his list of networks for the commercials. Oh wait...the superbowl is on FOX, no? [evil grin]

source (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/185436.shtml)

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on February 05, 2011, 08:40:59 PM
From what dammy said on various forums.

-They had a 4 hour dinner
- VIC models and C64x were seen and handled, though not used
- C64x keyboard very expensive to make
- some big players involved
- they've watched the commercials, should air soon
- Dammy suggested to consider ARM for mobile devices


that's about that. I probably forgot some minor details.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 08:46:23 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;612799
- C64x keyboard very expensive to make...

I am hoping this means that they used a cherry blue/brown or torpe switch and double-injection molded caps...
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 08:46:44 PM
Quote from: number6;612796
I also wonder why Dammy felt it necessary to single out "FOX" individually on moo in his list of networks for the commercials. Oh wait...the superbowl is on FOX, no? [evil grin]

source (http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/185436.shtml)

#6


Why did you have to post that ruddy link, every time I go to that site my eyesight goes for about 10 minutes and I almost have an epileptic fit... :(

Could someone from the USA please answer me this in regard to FOX, I get the FOX channels over here on SKY, now I don't know if it's just me but do folks in the USA actually take The FOX news channel seriously (if so I would find that very worrying)... :nervous:

It's like a bunch of talentless celebrity wannabes talking absolute keech about which zlist celeb they bumped into at the weekend or the O'reily guy who gets paid far too much and is proud to have it announced at the end of his show that his clothes are supplied by some poncy fashion designer...:nervous:

Please don't tell me that this channel is taken seriously in the USA or my opinion of American popular culture will reach an all time low... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: Franko;612801
Please don't tell me that this channel is taken seriously in the USA...

I could tell you that, but then I'd be lying :(
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 05, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
Quote from: Franko;612801
Why did you have to post that ruddy link, every time I go to that site my eyesight goes for about 10 minutes and I almost have an epileptic fit... :(

Could someone from the USA please answer me this in regard to FOX, I get the FOX channels over here on SKY, now I don't know if it's just me but do folks in the USA actually take The FOX news channel seriously (if so I would find that very worrying)... :nervous:

It's like a bunch of talentless celebrity wannabes talking absolute keech about which zlist celeb they bumped into at the weekend or the O'reily guy who gets paid far too much and is proud to have it announced at the end of his show that his clothes are supplied by some poncy fashion designer...:nervous:

Please don't tell me that this channel is taken seriously in the USA or my opinion of American popular culture will reach an all time low... :)


I think you're confusing "news" and "news entertainment" or commentary if you will.
All the networks have both in order to fill air time.
Sadly, pure news that allows the viewers to analyze on their own is in short supply.
Moreso, it was decided years ago that viewers needed to be told what to think, hence the invention of the entertainment news you now see.
In addition, controversy sells, so even if every network sponsored the same beliefs from the top, they would be quick to delineate themselves from the others to maintain ratings.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 09:09:40 PM
@ number6

It's got that way over here too SKY news nowadays tell you their opinion on a News item and the viewing morons accept it. Even the Al-Jazzara 24 hour News channel looks & sounds like a fanatical version of FOX News in custom made designer Italian suits, really weird  (& scary)... Although the hour long show they give to George Galloway each week is good for a laugh as he demands you listen to him and that his opinions are the real facts... :lol:

@ TheBilgeRat

Why not lie, everyone else does... ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: number6 on February 05, 2011, 09:20:33 PM
Quote from: Franko;612807
@ number6

It's got that way over here too SKY news nowadays tell you their opinion on a News item and the viewing morons accept it. Even the Al-Jazzara 24 hour News channel looks & sounds like a fanatical version of FOX News in custom made designer Italian suits, really weird  (& scary)... Although the hour long show they give to George Galloway each week is good for a laugh as he demands you listen to him and that his opinions are the real facts... :lol:


Then I'm sure you can see the parallel in amiga forums.
The difference between reporting news and letting each individual interpret on their own vs evangelism woven into news.

#6
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: dammy on February 05, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: Franko;612780
Well Red seems to have changed his tune pretty quickly after his wee visit to CUSAs brain washing lab (judging by his short comments & retractions in some of his posts here)... :)

If Fanboy Dammy thinks otherwise then I can only conclude that Red has gone to the darkside and DammyFanBoy is praying Red has been convinced enough to write a glowing report in favour of CUSA...


I see why Red is now hesitant to write a report, he will have been made a public enemy by the likes of you and others if he says positive things.  And you wouldn't want that, better to go beat on anyone associated in supporting C=USA, right?
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Digiman on February 05, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: jorkany;612500
It's so funny. The exact same thing could be said word-for-word about Ben Hermans and Hyperion/A-eon.

Personally I think Barry is a bit of a huckster. Unless CUSA comes up with something crazily compelling I don't see myself ever buying a CUSA product. But I have to give the guy credit, he's done a lot better job of promoting CUSA than Hyperion and Co. have done. And yet they're both doing essentially the same thing - Hyperion has an Amiga labeled OS, and CUSA has a Commodore (and soon Amiga) labeled computer. But CUSA has been at it less than year as opposed to Hyperion's ten years.

The thing is, the concept behind CUSA is so simple - how can anyone wonder about what the goal is or what drives Barry's decisions? The goal is: take the easiest route to getting some Commodore machines out there. It doesn't matter if it's little more than a familiar looking case and a label, the name Commodore still has resonance. And after that do the same with Amiga. Clearly the objective is to make money, and as for what drives the decisions it's just the easiest route.

It's a damn no-brainer. It really makes me wonder why Hyperion went through (and still is going through) the effort of making yet another Amiga-like OS and some weird-ass proprietary hardware when all they had to do was slap a label on a box. To me the question should be what is the goal of Hyperion and what drives Ben Hermans decisions, because what Hyperion does has no traction.

I've heard that the CUSA TV ads were shown at the meeting, and will air on all the major networks. Once that happens the name Commodore will really be out there in front of a lot of people, many of them who haven't thought about Commodore or the Amiga in well over a decade. Just musing here but what's going to happen when those people start showing up on sites like this and AWN?


Thing is OS4/MOS are PPC binary compatible [with legal Workbench applications] systems. PPC has terrible price/performance.

CUSA is just supplying fancy case [if you're lucky] + C=/Amiga label + Linux version of VICE/UAE emulators.

I can see why people label OS4/MOS machines Amiga, but don't share that opinion. C= USA is not even close with their Intel PC motherboards and emulators combo.

Are people so desperate for 'new' 'Amiga' hardware asto intelligently attribute their PCs as a new genuine Commodore/Amiga computer?

If I wanted a Commodore PC I would have bought a 486 oneinstead of an A1200 in the 90s (the one that looks like A4000D case).
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Arkhan on February 05, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Digiman;612827

Are people so desperate for 'new' 'Amiga' hardware asto intelligently attribute their PCs as a new genuine Commodore/Amiga computer?
.


Cmon now, don't be so negative. :hammer:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 10:57:50 PM
Honestly, I am mostly intrigued by the "wedge" C64 combo case doodad they might be building.  I like their concept of "retro style" if they kept it at that and did not try to sell "retro substance."  If that wedge could hold one graphics card of my choice plus having the basics builtin (Wireless N/gigabit ethernet, sound, etc) it would be a neat PC to own.  I'd slap Win7 on it and game the crap out of it.  If it truly will have cherry mechanical switches in the keyboard (and double injection molded keys) I am so there.  BUT then again I'm not sold on the "Commodore" aspect.  If I wanted a NG Amiga experience, I'd buy a G5 and throw MOS on it (Which I most probably will do in the future), or AmigaForever on whatever X86 machine I will be rocking.

I'm not convinced that this thing is even reality, however.  And as for their "Amiga" line...c'mon-no one is buying that.  But give them credit - if that "C64" redesign is real, it takes balls to engineer computer hardware these days that is outside the norm.  If I want one of their amiga redesigns, however, I'll build it myself thanks.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Digiman on February 05, 2011, 10:59:26 PM
Negativiy about PCs in drag with C= stickers sold as next gen Amigas is fine here :roflmao:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: actung_bab on February 05, 2011, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Franko;611629
Ask him why he doesn't like me... :(
oh come on l heard him say , "he having a old friend over for dinner "
hehe
if says words father beans and nice cantie sauce run brother
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
Quote from: dammy;612820
I see why Red is now hesitant to write a report, he will have been made a public enemy by the likes of you and others if he says positive things.  And you wouldn't want that, better to go beat on anyone associated in supporting C=USA, right?


Wrong... if you had read the posts before where I say "not to take anything I say seriously" then no matter what report Red makes (if he makes one) I for one won't be trying to make him a "Public enemy"... I'll give him a good ribbing if he write a glowing report on CUSA but "enemy" no... :)

You on the other hand only seem to be here at the behest of CUSA to try and stir things up (which I'm happy to play along with) and that's only because the mighty mouthpiece Leo seems to have gone into hiding and so Barry has sent his other minion here to do the dirty work... :)

Keep em coming Dammy cos other than Porno sites this is the best entertainment on the net... :)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: actung_bab;612836
oh come on l heard him say , "he having a old friend over for dinner "
hehe
if says words father beans and nice cantie sauce run brother


Hi actung_bab... :)

Where have you been hiding lately... :)

Nice to see you posting again... :)

Franko
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: giZmo350 on February 05, 2011, 11:14:16 PM
Quote from: BigBenAussie;611768
@runequester

I have said on Commodore-Amiga.org that we will be using 2nd Gen Intel Core(Sandybridge) technology with a focus on NVidia graphics throughout our Amiga line-up. This is a strategic choice, that may allow infiltration into many industries as workstations. An Amiga 2000x running at 5+Ghz with multiple overclocked NVidia graphic cards, and OS flexibility, is a very attractive machine in my eyes, and puts the Amiga brand up with the best desktop computers in the world once more.


Uh Oh! Trouble in Barryland?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/oems-and-motherboard-manufacturers-to-offer-refundsreplacements-over-sandy-bridge-chipset-flaw/11222
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 11:22:10 PM
Quote from: gizmo350;612840
Uh Oh! Trouble in Barryland?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/oems-and-motherboard-manufacturers-to-offer-refundsreplacements-over-sandy-bridge-chipset-flaw/11222


oh jeez!  interest withdrawn!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: actung_bab on February 05, 2011, 11:23:41 PM
Quote from: Franko;612838
Hi actung_bab... :)

Where have you been hiding lately... :)

Nice to see you posting again... :)

Franko
thanks mate , just been having probs with amiga 1200 got bit feed up back know
oh can l be one barrys minions l haveint got hunch back though . mybe in few years
l can be called egore though but think master going bit far hehhe
l checki out mnions.com for job applcation .
wonder if mel brooks chould do a movie on amiga be great..
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 05, 2011, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Franko;612773
@ Redrumloa

Any chance we're going to see this "report" or is this the first big non-event of 2011... :)

Reading comprehension much?

Quote
I will probably do a full report here on Amiga.org before the end of the week.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 11:26:34 PM
@ Red

C'mon Red stop just sitting there reading this nonsense (after all you started it) is it yeah or nay to the report... ;)

(Ok you beat me to it... but at the end of which week... :))
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Arkhan on February 05, 2011, 11:27:49 PM
Well, I think now it's a definite no for by the end of the week, unless a report will be pulled out of his ass in the next couple hours!
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 05, 2011, 11:40:22 PM
Quote from: dammy;612820
I see why Red is now hesitant to write a report, he will have been made a public enemy by the likes of you and others if he says positive things.  And you wouldn't want that, better to go beat on anyone associated in supporting C=USA, right?

No worries on that, I've already been made by a public enemy in the past for various reasons. I'm far past letting any of that nonsense get to me.

Being labeled a public enemy could be fun. It will remind me of years past when I was accused of being on Genesi's payroll for buying a Pegasos motherboard with American currency or getting banned on -ANOTHER FORUM- for stating on Amiga.org that I thought businesses should not run a charity and should real life let market values determine sale prices. Those were the days, maybe I can relive them:roflmao:

But seriously, no. This is not a concern. I will put something out tonight or tomorrow, I've already typed something up.
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 05, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;612832
Honestly, I am mostly intrigued by the "wedge" C64 combo case doodad they might be building.  I like their concept of "retro style" if they kept it at that and did not try to sell "retro substance."  If that wedge could hold one graphics card of my choice plus having the basics builtin (Wireless N/gigabit ethernet, sound, etc) it would be a neat PC to own.  I'd slap Win7 on it and game the crap out of it.  If it truly will have cherry mechanical switches in the keyboard (and double injection molded keys) I am so there.  BUT then again I'm not sold on the "Commodore" aspect.  If I wanted a NG Amiga experience, I'd buy a G5 and throw MOS on it (Which I most probably will do in the future), or AmigaForever on whatever X86 machine I will be rocking.

I'm not convinced that this thing is even reality, however.  And as for their "Amiga" line...c'mon-no one is buying that.  But give them credit - if that "C64" redesign is real, it takes balls to engineer computer hardware these days that is outside the norm.  If I want one of their amiga redesigns, however, I'll build it myself thanks.

The C64x is real, I held it in my own hands. I asked on at least 2 occasions if I could take it home. :hammer:
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 11:44:46 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612860
But seriously, no. This is not a concern. I will put something out tonight or tomorrow, I've already typed something up.


Looking forward to that, reckon no matter which way your report goes, I think I may have a couple of words to say about it... ;)
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 05, 2011, 11:46:44 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;612863
The C64x is real, I held it in my own hands. I asked on at least 2 occasions if I could take it home. :hammer:


So.....





Cherry Blue or Cherry Brown switches?  PCB or plate-mounted?  DyeSub or double injection molded keys?  :D
Title: Re: Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week
Post by: redrumloa on February 05, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;612867
So.....





Cherry Blue or Cherry Brown switches?  PCB or plate-mounted?  DyeSub or double injection molded keys?  :D

Stop asking me questions, I have pictures to crop:hammer: