You forgot the FPGA based Amiga camp.
Hold on... "Windows 7 rules! I can play Crysis and BFBC and NFS and GTA on my 8 core Xeon. I probably have a job in Microsoft as a mail clerk or janitor. Amiga is a joke with only 5 users. Macs are overpriced and turn you into a zombie when you use it!"
So I assume this is mostly aimed at the MorphOS and AROS bashing? What about fair criticism of the X1000s ridiculous price?
I'm glad this has been brought up now, it is a shame how bad Amiga World has got over the last few months and we can't allow Amiga Org to follow the same path.
For my own account, turn amiga.org into amigaworld.net and I'm outta here.
In my view, amiga.org is one of the _very few_ international amiga sites where one is actually allowed to express ones views without constantly having the troll-screaming crybabies and insane moderation ruining everything - remove that I don't see the point in this site.
For my own account, turn amiga.org into amigaworld.net and I'm outta here.
In my view, amiga.org is one of the _very few_ international amiga sites where one is actually allowed to express ones views without constantly having the troll-screaming crybabies and insane moderation ruining everything - remove that I don't see the point in this site.
The liberating thing with amiga.org is that here one has so far been allowed to call bullshit on these people, and let them know.
For my own account, turn amiga.org into amigaworld.net and I'm outta here.
In my view, amiga.org is one of the _very few_ international amiga sites where one is actually allowed to express ones views without constantly having the troll-screaming crybabies and insane moderation ruining everything - remove that I don't see the point in this site.
So let's test our troll loving abilities and freedom of expression with my video reponse to the sysop remarks about things like "spew hate and negativity towards MorphOS, X-1000, AROS, Amiga, Etc this will no longer be tolerated.
": :hammer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUxhH1tD9E&NR=1&feature=fvwp
I have no issue with people who want to use OS4, MOS or AROS. I don't believe MOS is Amiga as such, but AROS is a great project and OS4 still has features Windows would be wise to implement. But then again I don't count any of these as actual next gen' Amigas.
Personally, I figure most of us have been around long enough to know the difference between trolling and heated but otherwise reasonable debate.it's the socks.
Or at least I'd like to think so.
Personally, I figure most of us have been around long enough to know the difference between trolling and heated but otherwise reasonable debate.
Or at least I'd like to think so.
I'm glad this has been brought up now, it is a shame how bad Amiga World has got over the last few months and we can't allow Amiga Org to follow the same path.
Hi,
@Karlos,
Karlos you ruined about 80% of my trolls, you sorry sack of MAC software and then you come out with a remark like this. You are no fun at all.
smerf
Personally, I figure most of us have been around long enough to know the difference between trolling and heated but otherwise reasonable debate.
Or at least I'd like to think so.
I think Im outraged? I don't know?. This is a very confusing thread?.
I don't believe MOS is Amiga as such, but AROS is a great projectIs MorphOS a great project, too?
I would love for something mass produced in this category to appear and be an alternative (I don't like Apple...any company who thinks iPhone and iPad that can't access Flash based websites is acceptable is stupid)So you consider the Apple stigma to prevail even if the original company no longer gets any profit from the sales?
I just wish some people as talented as the VIC-II/SID or Paula/Agnus/Denise designers would just come along and glue together certain bits of certain disposably cheap console and just make something a bit more 'special' out there in price/performance terms than Macs (no games) and OTT PC gaming rigs spending 50% CPU just executing the Win7 kernel for people to go 'wow' over that's all. Call me negative if you want for that but I think that's what all old skool Amiga fans who lived those days want too.Call me a realist but that's just not going to happen. Commodore designers had it easy in comparison to has to be done today. HW designers do remarkable things today, you can't even remotely compare it with VIC-II/SID or Paula/Agnus/Denise stuff.
Negative comments will be taken in context of the rests of your posts. Idea exchanges and great debates are welcome but Amiga.org will not be a platform for any Amiga hate spreading or fud. If this is your repeated goal you might just find your account no longer working here. If another platform not Amiga, MorphOS or AROS related is your passion then perhaps a forum for that system is a better fit for you? We like to keep the site family friendly and fun. Amiga fans new and old are welcome here and positive communication is recommended. If you only have something bad to say maybe you should keep it to yourself?I find it disturbing that you find it necessary to post something like this here on amiga.org.
Piru is right. Censorship defeats the purpose of even having a forum. How can anyone here now expect to speak freely or have a different point of view if you're standing there threatening to ban them if you don't agree with what they have to say? The posting guidelines are pretty clear so I'm a bit disturbed by your post as well. At best, it seems threatening. Not the kind of place where I want to share ideas or debate.
Your reading too much into it. Trolling is different then expressing your ideas. It's only intent is to damage and hurt others.
@ Transition
thank you!..this has been long overdue
@ those who pretend not to know what a troll is
if a thread is about OS A and you repeatedly come into saying that it's crap etc. and that OS B is better blah blah blah then Transition wrote that note for you..very simple:afro:
Did you really think the Amiga Boards were going to be left to completely degrade without check? Now that a few more people are realising the Amiga does infact have a continuing future they have begun to understand the REASON for Amiga forum boards exisitingI think you've severely misunderstood something here.
It is to SERVE the Amiga NOT the individual(s)
It ain't going to get better for you, so perhaps you should transplant yourselves now before you make yourselves look extremely silly
Onward and Upwards Custom AmigaHW and AmigaOS4.x
Oh, so having a different opinion is grounds for being banned?No, Transition didn't say that, just (an interpretation of) klx300r's opinion.
And Transition has appointed you as his spokesman?No, didn't see that anywhere.
Hear, hear, I think !!!
Im just as confused as to what is allowed and what isn't... :confused:
Would someone care to clarify a wee bit what, who, why, when & if something can't be said... :confused:
Oh, so having a different opinion is grounds for being banned? And Transition has appointed you as his spokesman?
Linux and Window people are fair game. You can say anything you want to make them mad or troll for them to bite.
I think Amiga Org is in safe hands. This site has by far the the best community.
This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion:+1
Original-Poster: This is a new Amiga related project I am working on. It has feature X and it can also do feature Y.
Positive-person: Great work! I'm glad you have taken the time to start this project which is something that various Amiga users may find a use for and enjoy!
Not-a-troll: Looks okay, can you add feature Z as well?
Another-non-troll: Have you considered compiling it for my Amiga-like OS of choice? I would use it if you do. Keep up the good work!
Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?
Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.
Troll-Feeder: Where can I download the iPhone version from?
The trolls are pretty consistent, they will continue to post cheeky or cruel remarks at any chance they get. They prefer to start a fight and back out of it while others join in and continue it, or take a stab when they feel there's no chance of retaliation. I have no problem with cowards like this being removed from the forum.
I'm sure the moderators don't regard passionate, opinionated Amiga users who like to debate about their favorite platform as trolls. I think a lot of people are getting upset about something that's not going to affect them in any negative way, and in fact it could be just what we need to get more Amiga-related discussion happening on this site. I know for a fact, from chatting to hundreds of Amiga users around the world on IRC, MSN and through forum private messages, that there are many people who would post a lot more often about Amiga-related projects and ideas if they weren't afraid of having their thread derailed by someone whose only intent is to crush their spirit and stop them from wanting to go any further with their idea.
Hi,
@Cammy,
Wow!!
Will feature X work on the new Amiga X1000, and you also get a feature Y for the same pirce. I will buy it as soon as it hits the market for the Amiga X1000.
smerf
Oh, so having a different opinion is grounds for being banned? And Transition has appointed you as his spokesman?
There's a difference between having a different opinion and being a dick about it.
The best analogy here is someone telling you "please don't piss in the pool" and the people being outraged: "we can't piss anywhere within 20 miles of the pool!"
There's a difference between having a different opinion and being a dick about it.
All it does is serve to drive the thread into the ground, obfuscating the original content and intent.
If you have a burr up your butt that falls into the categories specified previously, blog about it or start your own anti-amiga.org and leave the rest of us alone.
I find it interesting that some of the members that are complaining the loudest, are also the same members that are often seen disrupting threads with off topic, negative, thread derailing, crap postings that serve no useful purpose to the community, or this site.
@Cammy,
+1
@who ever said that many members here may be hesitant to post, or would post more often if they felt that there were less trolls that criticize posts for no better reason than to try to humiliate other posters, or create bad feelings where none should exist (or something to that effect), I totally agree.
or even enforcement of some new guidelines that are aimed at lessening the amount of negative comments
If thread speak about pancakes you can read (again) the same, too boring.
And using the passive aggressive is absolutely not negative or liable to cause aggravation in any way, right?
There's a shocker. Two words: Project Natami (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=584236&postcount=54).
Interesting personal interpretation.
Yes. Especially if the price tag for this will be revealed.
This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion....
the_leander, I think you have misinterpreted something in the Natami thread, I never lied about anything at all. I was removed from the Natami team without any explanation, and although Gunnar provided an IRC log which he claims was the basis for my removal, Forcie has told me on IRC that he doesn't know exactly who removed me or why. I admit I should have handled it with a little more tact considering how blown out of proportion the reactions in that thread were, but if you'll look back through my entire history of posts on this and other Amiga forums you'll see that one post where I got a little too personal is the exception among what I think has been mostly positive or constructive conversation over the years. I don't see any point in lying.
And I don't know where you got the idea I was offering moral guidance, my post in this thread was an attempt to stop the fighting by explaining in my own terms what I think would be considered trolling and what's not.
If you have a problem with me personally, how about we deal with it on IRC? I don't think you'll succeed in turning my friends against me by persisting the way you are here.
if you'll look back through my entire history of posts on this and other Amiga forums you'll see that one post where I got a little too personal is the exception
If you have a problem with me personally
I don't think you'll succeed in turning my friends against me by persisting the way you are here.
Look, let's not lose sight of the main issue here. That being, you all have to do as I say.
/me runs away :D
If the posting guidelines are broken, moderate the comments.
If it is done repeatedly ... why not delete the account? I don´t think trolls have a special right to post. A german news site has a particular useful feature: you can set ignore lists for people of whom you don´t want to read comments from. The rest of the forum remains visible. That´s peace of mind.
This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion:
Original-Poster: This is a new Amiga related project I am working on. It has feature X and it can also do feature Y.
Positive-person: Great work! I'm glad you have taken the time to start this project which is something that various Amiga users may find a use for and enjoy!
Not-a-troll: Looks okay, can you add feature Z as well?
Another-non-troll: Have you considered compiling it for my Amiga-like OS of choice? I would use it if you do. Keep up the good work!
Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?
Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.
Troll-Feeder: Where can I download the iPhone version from?
The trolls are pretty consistent, they will continue to post cheeky or cruel remarks at any chance they get. They prefer to start a fight and back out of it while others join in and continue it, or take a stab when they feel there's no chance of retaliation. I have no problem with cowards like this being removed from the forum.
I'm sure the moderators don't regard passionate, opinionated Amiga users who like to debate about their favorite platform as trolls. I think a lot of people are getting upset about something that's not going to affect them in any negative way, and in fact it could be just what we need to get more Amiga-related discussion happening on this site. I know for a fact, from chatting to hundreds of Amiga users around the world on IRC, MSN and through forum private messages, that there are many people who would post a lot more often about Amiga-related projects and ideas if they weren't afraid of having their thread derailed by someone whose only intent is to crush their spirit and stop them from wanting to go any further with their idea.
Well, that's torn it
All hail the king!
:D
Was thinking more like this:
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/modfather.png)
Respect me, respect the family...:lol:
So basically if i criticise anything amiga-related i must be a troll?
This is what I think the difference is between trolling and expressing an opinion:
Original-Poster: This is a new Amiga related project I am working on. It has feature X and it can also do feature Y.
Positive-person: Great work! I'm glad you have taken the time to start this project which is something that various Amiga users may find a use for and enjoy!
Not-a-troll: Looks okay, can you add feature Z as well?
Another-non-troll: Have you considered compiling it for my Amiga-like OS of choice? I would use it if you do. Keep up the good work!
Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?
Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.
Troll-Feeder: Where can I download the iPhone version from?
The trolls are pretty consistent, they will continue to post cheeky or cruel remarks at any chance they get. They prefer to start a fight and back out of it while others join in and continue it, or take a stab when they feel there's no chance of retaliation. I have no problem with cowards like this being removed from the forum.
I'm sure the moderators don't regard passionate, opinionated Amiga users who like to debate about their favorite platform as trolls. I think a lot of people are getting upset about something that's not going to affect them in any negative way, and in fact it could be just what we need to get more Amiga-related discussion happening on this site. I know for a fact, from chatting to hundreds of Amiga users around the world on IRC, MSN and through forum private messages, that there are many people who would post a lot more often about Amiga-related projects and ideas if they weren't afraid of having their thread derailed by someone whose only intent is to crush their spirit and stop them from wanting to go any further with their idea.
It is a pitty. I enjoy heated discussions, reading, and being a part of them.Who said that constructive discussions arent allowed??
Common sense depends on the eye of the beholder, and the same goes to the interpretation and missinterpretation of trolling.
In this moments of genuine threats to freedom of expression (you can call them whatever you please), is that I remember how I really miss that guy called Wayne, and that Amiga online forum he had.
Take for example when X1000+ custom mouse/keyboard was first showed. Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.Would you be kind enough to specify who that "some" includes? Just to clear any potential misunderstanding.
And it is no longer a real discussion anymore when the trolls here have driven away nearly every OS4.x user to other sites.
Troll: I have no use for this (because I don't use an Amiga-like system at all), so why are you bothering to make it?
Another-Troll: Pfft, I can do that on my iPhone.
Say what?
That's some nice historical revisionism you have going there.
See the rest of us remember Mikey_C whining like a prissy bitch when Wayne refused to disallow MorphOS and AROS discussion on here. This in turn led to him taking the OS4 fanbois and other assorted ditto heads over to the newly created AW.net - the exodus.
Remind me again, how did that work out for you folks anyway?
Oh yes that's right, he aided in the commission of the single largest fraud this community has ever had perpetrated against it. Then he enacted yet another exodus to amigans.net when yet again those evil people with their own, non mikey approved viewpoints showed up and started asking some hard questions.
@Transition
Finally! This is something i have been waiting for. I have been avoiding this forum alot because some certain people here troll and flame certain "camps" no matter what.
I hope this will finally lead to all OS alternative being discussed without having to get see people spread fud and lies about my OS/platform of choice.
I am all ok for constructive criticism and discussion though.
Keep this site the way it was when Wayne was in charge, that's all I ask.
What the heck are you talking about?? I clearly said i want equal discussions of all platform, just not mindless fud or trolling.
What you said was that the reason for the OS4 fanboys leaving was due to trolling.And there you go with name calling again. But anyways why does other members at amigaworld express that they feel the same way as me?? They used to be regulars at amiga.org, but started avoiding this forum more and more as the trolling developed.
This is patently untrue. That is all.
You'll note I didn't comment on the rest of your post. There is a good reason for that - there was nothing in it that warranted comment that hadn't already been brought up. Likewise with your response, beyond this bit, there isn't anything needing to be discussed.
And there you go with name calling again.
And there you go trying to change the subject again. Damn it really must be chafing you to try to dodge again.
What makes you think given that it didn't work the first time, that it'd work this time?
Your claim regarding the reason the OS4 fanboys left is wrong and no amount of bawwwing about my use of the word fanboy is going to change that.
Still doesn't make your claim any more accurate though.
Some even managed to dig up shit about the keyboard/mouse claiming trevor is a evil dude who is only doing this to rip off naive OS4.x fanboys.Who are these "some"? It would be fair to specify who you're accusing of trolling.
@ piruI've read the threads of course. I didn't find the answer from them. Thus I have to ask Tomas directly.
Surely you know how to use the search function if you so desperately want to find out ?
Who are these "some"? It would be fair to specify who you're accusing of trolling.
Surely you're able to name them considering you thought it was important enough to pick this thread as an example of bad behavior.
(I asked this once already, I bet you missed my first question)
I've read the threads of course. I didn't find the answer from them. Thus I have to ask Tomas directly.I am not accusing any individuals about anything. I just provided a example of what i define as trolling.
It has to go both ways. If someone is being accused of trolling there has to be a way for the accused to defend oneself.
Again i wonder why we cant just put the past behind usIt was you who brought those threads up. So I wonder, why did you?
Okay.. Show me that i am wrong then.
Do you scream fanboys at people who use linux or windows as well? Why cant you respect that i choose OS4.x?
I have been active on this forum for a decade now and been a reguluar guest visitior since beginning as well. I have seen the changes with my own eyes, i have seen people who have expressed those very same views as me and seen how the OS4 users have slowly shifted more towards sites like amigaworld.
I just provided a example of what i define as trolling.
I'll bite.
Is MorphOS a great project, too?
Do you believe AROS is not Amiga as such?
So you consider the Apple stigma to prevail even if the original company no longer gets any profit from the sales?
Call me a realist but that's just not going to happen. Commodore designers had it easy in comparison to has to be done today. HW designers do remarkable things today, you can't even remotely compare it with VIC-II/SID or Paula/Agnus/Denise stuff.
I believe you have that backwards - show us where we're right.
You forget, just as you were here from the beginning, so too were we.
Lets see, on occasion, depending on the situation, yes I'll call fanboy, regardless of the hardware or OS being evangelised. I don't care that you use OS4 any more than I care about Piru using MorphOS or runequester linux or arkhan use windows. So long as it works for you fantastic. I'm not however going to give you special consideration based on your choice of OS.
As have I. And I watched whilst both the red and blue camp ripped each other to pieces during 03-04. I watched Mikey_C lead the exodus to AW when Wayne refused to silence the other side. The blues moved more toward Morphzone leaving this place to be a more or less neutral territory mainly catering for classic and AROS. With the worst offenders from both sides in their respective sites gone this place actually prospered.
It was you who brought those threads up. So I wonder, why did you?Did you not read my reply?? I provided an example on what i think is going over the line, so that you could see what i meant by trolling. I would not have had a problem if a person said that the keyboard was maybe a bit too price for him/her or that he/she did not like design.
I don't see any blatant trolling in those threads. Neither can I see anyone calling Trevor evil.
If you throw such accusations in the air you better be prepared to back them up with facts. If you don't you could be accused of trolling.
@the_leander
It is people like you that are the reason why there is still conflicts in this community.
Why do you consantly keep bringing up the past and Mikey_C? Is it not time to leave the past behind us like most mature users have already done?
It is people like you that are the reason why there is still conflicts in this community.
Did you not read my reply??Yes.
I provided an example on what i think is going over the line, so that you could see what i meant by trolling.Yes, that is what you said but I really don't see it. Thus, I'd like you to explain it in more detail so that even I can understand.
I would not have had a problem if a person said that the keyboard was maybe a bit too price for him/her or that he/she did not like design.Yes, I can see that in the said thread.
I do however have a problem when people accuse people like trevor for using this keyboard as a way to ripoff OS4.x "fanboys"Who said that? Where? I really can't find such post. Maybe I'm reading a wrong thread?
You lot seem determined to make me lock this thread :-/
How ironic!
people that are just highly opinionated
Well, seeing as my attempts to lighten the mood have failed so badly, I might as well. The moment moderation policy is mentioned, it seems as if the sky is falling.
I may be misreading the situation, but I can't really see anything in the original post that isn't already covered in the site rules. I've always maintained that trolls - as distinct from people that are just highly opinionated - are a waste of space anyway, but thankfully we don't have much in the way of working examples.
The danger is that people's interpretations of trolling are vastly different.
Providing an opinion should not be looked at as trolling, even if the person's opinion is wrong.
Disagreeing does not a troll make.
Please do not let this place turn into AW.net or (God forbid) the loony bin that is amigans.net!
I have seen the changes with my own eyes, i have seen people who have expressed those very same views as me and seen how the OS4 users have slowly shifted more towards sites like amigaworld.
Is being offensive against other Amiga-related sites trolling or not?
There are lots of people who are NOT interested OS4 or hardware projects involved to it, but they jump every thread where those are discussed and start to negative whining.
I just don't get it why to read OS4 threads if you are not interested?
The point I'm trying to make is HERE if my comment was a little off color BUT I had a POINT, the worst that might happen is a warning from a moderator.
I love a little humor or attitude thrown into the mix and I've come to respect the opinions of many of you that I've had past disagreements with.
You lot seem determined to make me lock this thread :-/
Keep this site the way it was when Wayne was in charge, that's all I ask.The problem is -- and it's one that's difficult to see unless you're standing where I am -- it's not the site, or it's running that has changed. It's the community as a whole.