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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2011, 06:01:32 PM »
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Regarding deinterlacing...
Well, it does and it doesn't :D
For instance, in GAME mode it doesn't do deinterlacing. So, it behaves just like a, say, 1084 monitor.
In NORMAL mode it does deinterlace, and the hi res WB picture is beautiful. But it has an annoying lag. Cursor moves like on a rubber string. So, maybe for looking at pics. But it is really annoying for work.
 
Well, I still have to test my ViewSonic VX2235wm PC monitor. Maybe I'll get lucky with it :) Or at least test productivity modes with my A1200...

Have you had a chance to try that ViewSonic VX2235wm? I'm curious how that worked out.
 

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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2011, 06:12:26 PM »
Not yet. I was plannig to wait until I put back together my A1200, since (I think) only AGA can do productivity (VGA) modes. It is dismantled for retr0brighting at the moment. But the sun is getting scarse now :(
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2011, 06:15:41 PM »
The old Commodore Amiga monitors, such as the 1080 and 1084, are still available used in the U.S..
These work quite well on A1000 and A500 computers with no adapters - just plug them in.
I still use a A1000 with a 1080 Amiga monitor that has great color display. It is on the small side at about 15".
I just picked a 1080 up at a flea market for $15.00. These can also work great for older Commodore C-128 systems.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2011, 07:42:42 PM »
I was using a Commodore 1084S D-2 until about 1 month ago.

Then got a scan doubler and was using a 17" CRT SVGA monitor

Now i got an LG 20" LCD TV. Amiga is connected via Scart (no scandoubler) and gives a great display. Though interlaced modes still flicker.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2011, 08:15:55 PM »
For anyone needing a great monitor for their stock Amiga computer, I have 3 20" TIMM monitors and would like to sell one or two of them.  They will only display up to 800x600 resolution, but they sync down to 15kHz, or up to 31kHz and have a standard VGA input for RGB, plus Composite and RCA sound inputs with a built-in TV tuner w/Coaxial input.

They are really too big and heavy to make shipping practical, so local pickup is a must, but I might be able to meet you half way with one of them, if you don't live too far away from me in Southern California.

It is one of the best CRT monitors you can get for standard Amiga frequencies and resolution and having a 20" monitor, instead of a 13" 1080, or 1084 is a whole new Amiga experience.

PMail me here, or send me an email at earthlink dot net.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2011, 09:10:13 AM »
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Wrong!

I have been using PC monitors on my Amigas without any silly graphics card since 1990!

It is called a FlickerFixer.  It requires no drivers, no software and no problems and works with any normal PC monitor.  FlickerFixer = 1000% compatible.


Where'd you get it? I'm looking for one on amiga-hardware.com but I don't think that site is maintained--there's no cart to buy anything...

I may need a flicker fixer.
 

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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2011, 09:48:09 AM »
European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2011, 11:50:20 AM »
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European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.


My 20" LCD TV with SCART still flickers during interlaced screens (eg: workbench interlaced, Team17 logo etc..)

Everything else works fine.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2011, 12:54:42 PM »
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My 20" LCD TV with SCART still flickers during interlaced screens (eg: workbench interlaced, Team17 logo etc..)
 
Everything else works fine.

Maybe this is more to do with it being an LG tv than anything else :roflmao:
 
I've got a Samsung 40" led tv and Samsung 32" lcd and both give crystal clear images via scart. :)
 
Although for reasons i can't explain i get a minimal buzzing noise on WB on my 40" led although this might just be due to the corresponding Samsung surround sound system?! Doesn't affect any games that are loaded up - maybe its just the over sensitivity of my set-up? :)
 

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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2011, 07:55:11 PM »
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Nopity nope :)
Well it HAS to do 50 Hz. It's a European PAL TV. It also does 60 Hz and 100 Hz. Tested with my PC.
And I don't have any flicker fixers on my A1200 and A600 :) So it does 15 KHz. Kickstart screen and everything :)

I'm looking at this model VIZIO M220VA. It's a decent price, good size, and has VGA. But, customer service says it only goes down to 31.5khz. I think you're right Aga--I will have to bring my Amiga to a store and test out different TVs.
 
Geez. I think I'll skip the s-video adapter.
 
I did a little reading online, and I've read that VGA will give a better picture than S-video. Either way, I feel I have more options in TVs with a VGA adapter, rather than s-video.
 
What do you guys think?
 

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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2011, 07:26:01 AM »
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Maybe this is more to do with it being an LG tv than anything else :roflmao:
 
I've got a Samsung 40" led tv and Samsung 32" lcd and both give crystal clear images via scart. :)
 
Although for reasons i can't explain i get a minimal buzzing noise on WB on my 40" led although this might just be due to the corresponding Samsung surround sound system?! Doesn't affect any games that are loaded up - maybe its just the over sensitivity of my set-up? :)


My LCD display is crystal clear too, just the interlaced modes still flicker. I tried my Amiga on my Toshiba 32" telly and it was flicker free. I guess the LG has no de-interlacer or whatever.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2011, 07:42:15 AM »
Here is my monitor/tv setup. LG 20" LCD TV via SCART.

The display is actually much better in real life then it looks in the pics. Since i took the pics i have adjusted the brightness and set the overscan.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2011, 03:21:51 PM »
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Here is my monitor/tv setup. LG 20" LCD TV via SCART.
 
The display is actually much better in real life then it looks in the pics. Since i took the pics i have adjusted the brightness and set the overscan.

Nice. Good job! Which LG is that? Any adapters?
 
Well, I'm glad you guys have SCART. Here in the US, we don't have that. It appears 15-pin VGA is a standard connection, and s-vid can still be found on TVs as recently made as three years ago...
 

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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2011, 05:32:57 PM »
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You apparently haven't seen the screenshots of Amiga's running s-video that are posted elsewhere here.
They are very sharp...
They can be as sharp as they want.

But they cannot be as sharp as RGB/VGA.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2011, 05:56:44 PM »
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Where'd you get it? I'm looking for one on amiga-hardware.com but I don't think that site is maintained--there's no cart to buy anything...

I may need a flicker fixer.

In the 80's I sold the Microway Flickerfixer.  But as soon as I found out it was NTSC-ONLY I declared it to be evil and stopped selling them.

In 1990 I got a flickerfixer built in for free inside my A3000.  It even has a VGA port and everything.

Eventually I bought a used A1200 that had a flickerfixer preinstalled.  It is a DCE ScanMagic that seems to work on all PAL/NTSC/Euro36 modes.
It even works in SUPERHIRES MODE!  1280x512!  It supports all 16 Million of the Amiga's colors.  It only works on A1200/A4000.
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Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
« Reply #44 from previous page: November 26, 2011, 08:14:22 AM »
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European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.
Thanks for the post. I have an Amiga 4000/040 and my monitor has packed up. Where did you get the connector to go from your Amiga to the telly?

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