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Song recognition algorithm
« on: September 14, 2003, 05:08:33 PM »
Here's my idea.

Before the internet, people were always copying off the radio and making their compilation tapes with their favorite songs.

Then along came the internet, and people began using MP3's, and file sharing like kazaa, to, in part, replace what they had always been doing with the radio.

Of course, the quality was even higher.

But I see an opportunity if file sharing is removed, and we go back to radio as the distribution method.
...the internet never promoted copying of songs...we forget that people were doing that since day one, decades before the internet.

common sense is wrong, what the internet is promoting is accountability, not piracy.
What was always 'de-facto' legal, because there was no way to catch someone...i.e. copying a song from the radio...is now illegal, because the laws can be enforced with technology and the internet to track a file swapper..

But I'm going into the background too much.

My idea, is post-kazaa world, we will need technology to catch radio up to the point TV is now.

A radio version of TiVO.

But different too, because my idea, is through the use of song recognition algorithms, to allow people to record music off the radio in the background.  No need whatsoever to have technology on the distribution end, only on the consumers end....Collecting 200 or so songs a day just with regular capture cards tuned to the radio..., and then when they want a song...they don't grab it from kazaa, they get it from their own collection of recorded music, and then they play it back.

The key to this working is technology, but technology whose time has come, in my opinion.

And another secret about busines, you can develop the product to sell to the public, or just develop it to sell to someone who will pay to keep it off the market.

Why do I share this?  well total lack of respect for anyone's talents, but also, just because I like this idea and if someone else develops it... great.
 

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Re: Song recognition algorithm
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2003, 09:16:05 PM »
I don't think you've captured my idea entirely.

What I am saying is, that the Radio spectrum is a distribution methodology for songs right now.

It is, of course, that is what its intended to be...
but Radio stations are not going to add technology for making the copying of songs easier...no way...never happen.

I don't think.

But it doesn't mean, with clever technology, someone couldn't have a database of song, and have a file recognition alogorithm (something much easier to do than speech recognition, and probably already a unique, patentable invention).

Hey, you can't patent an idea, and there would be so many techniques for doing this, I'm not terrible worried if someone works on it before me.

But anyway, NO....this doesn't keep artists from earning money.

Now, to those who remember you can still copy a CD...

again, I want to stress, this isn't about copying or piracy....not exactly, what makes fileswapping illegal is that you distribute your songs.

This keeps the distribution part of things squarely part of the existing radio networks....with no modifications.

The technology is simply a way of determining when a song starts, when it ends....and using a recognition algorthm to catalogue the song, give it a unique identifier.

Of course, then what is the songs title and what is the artist?  That database would be maintained by a  commercial entity that sold subscriptions.

To the end user, they don't care, all they know is they want a song, they get the song....but it all works via the existing radio system, so its legal.

OK, it would be the quality of radio...but hey, radio has survived a long time, with that restriction.  Besides, I would want people to still buy CD's.....this would really work for the RIAA, even if they would hate it.

So....hey I want feedback, even people telling me I'm crazy...maybe I can flesh out the idea even better.
 

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Re: Song recognition algorithm
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2003, 09:19:19 PM »
@amigamad,

Hey if you can record your digital radio straight to MP3, and it includes the title and artist?  And you can get on digital radio all the songs you could get in kazaa?

If so, all thats left is for someone to right a little program to start recording the songs automatically for later retrieval...I would think, and turn it into a TiVO like device.

wa-la, you get all your songs for free.

But you know, that wouldn't last long before RIAA shut it down.

I dare them to try and shut down the radio broadcast networks (talk about shooting themselves in the foot).
 

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Re: Song recognition algorithm
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2003, 09:26:47 PM »
Let me try and explain my idea...one more time, maybe make it clearer.

Let's say you want to have "Call & Answer" by the Barenaked Ladies.

Well it plays on the radio sometimes.  You put in your 'kazaa' like program you want "Call & Answer" by Bareneaked Ladies.

Well, you may have it already....you see you set your ...lets call it 'RiVO' (name will change) to record your favorite radio station, and it is busy scanning the radio (via your capture card) and recording songs.

It uses clever technology to know when the song starts, when it ends, and it uses an algorithm to give each song a unique identifier, it then matches that number against a public internet database, and wa-la...you have a steadily growing collection of songs on your hard drive.

If you don't have it, or don't want it to fill your hard drive like that...you just tell it to look for that song.

In the background, your RiVO is busy, working away day and night scanning the radio spectrum, but not saving the song...but then one day
at 11:00PM September 23rd, on KWAVE FM, the song is played.

Your RiVO records it....just like a VCR recording a television program.

It records it for later playback...saves it in MP3...it can even play back on your iPOD...

its all completely legal stuff.....but it works a lot like Kazaa, or so it seems...to the end user.

But its nothing like Kazaa...its using the radio broadcast networks, and just recording songs for playback later.

Legal.  Moral.  Ethical.....very useful in a post-kazaa world.  Not worth it, as long as kazaa is still around.

Good, bad, won't work???
 

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Re: Song recognition algorithm
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2003, 09:27:27 PM »
AIYEEE....

yes sounds like that would make it very problematic in the UK...five songs all day? wow.