Gold 2.7 release for the Vampire accelerators

[kolla]

Where do you know who is behind "ApolloOS"?

From apollo-core.com - it was stated by people who knows and who clearly don't know when to be quiet, that it was toku who is the person who decides to replace FFS with pfs3aio for latest R49 or whatever the latest is.

And yes distribution certainly is illegal, not just because of based on 3.9. Because of that it is unofficial.

Yeah, very "unofficial", when it is promoted, supported, and maintained by the very same person who owns the domain that officially are selling the product it is made for. This "unofficial" label is utter nonsense.

[kolla]

you just nerve, you are aware of

do us a favor and search for another hobby

Is this is personal threat? I am not leaving, I am having way too much fun now.

[kolla]

Now that you put it this way, the Apollo Team seems even cooler.

Yeah, they are super cool... breaking the law, breaking the law!

[Lord Aga]

You know perfectly well what I mean - Apollo Core  comes from a round planet. Do they exist?

Fixed

[kolla]

Now the question is can there be a legitimate way to offer users the same as with coffin/Apollo OS whatever.
For starters i would be very happy to pay for such a product saves me a ton of work!

Simple - Hyperion hires Tuko to work with ThoR and Olsen. :laughing:

[guest11527]

And since it is technically impossible to recreate such CDs from one original copy, this must be taken as proof that the copy is legitimate?

Which type of answer do you actually expect? If you buy computer hardware in a shop, and you want it repaired under warranty, you need a legal document showing that you bought the hardware. It is commonly accepted that a receipt will do so. So, the "legallly correct way" to ensure that you own a 3.9 copy is: Have your receipt ready. Is this good enough for you?

Now, this, of course, makes it rather hard to verify ownership by technical means, right?
So, what else should I do? I'm not spending my day verifying Os 3.9 receipts. I can only, by all the means I have, tell people: Please, have your 3.9 ready, get the original files from the CD, then appy the patch. That is as much verification I can do, without too much hassle.

Apparently, asking people to be honest seems to be asking too much these days? Oh, right, I'm talking to a lawer, that's why....

Once again: The shell patch is only for owners of 3.9. This is not a free distribution for everyone. If you want 3.9, go buy it in a shop. Got it?

[PPC]

3.1.4 is supposed to become that, or at least, the "core of such a system" in the sense that includes the necessary core components that allow extension by third parties to their likings. The problem is that 3.9 consisted of various third party contributions that are out of reach. 3.1.4 will not contain any third party contributions, just the Os core.

So, for example, there are sufficient rights to include newer versions of workbench, icon, setpatch, FFS and a lot of other stuff, but Reaction is a H&P inhouse development H&P holds rights on, and for that reason, it cannot be included. So there is a lot of work going on backporting or extending 3.1 components to work without such contributions to the Os.

Doing it right is of course a lot more painful than just stealing what you want... Yes, you can still buy 3.9, so please no arguments in this direction. It is an accessible product.

Thomas,

What i mean is can these rights be transferred, would H&P let those go, it's not part of their core business anymore, and i cannot imagine it generates a substantial part of their income.
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.

[grond]

So, the "legallly correct way" to ensure that you own a 3.9 copy is: Have your receipt ready.

To whom would I show the receipt?

[OlafS3]

Thomas,

What i mean is can these rights be transferred, would H&P let those go, it's not part of their core business anymore, and i cannot imagine it generates a substantial part of their income.
In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.

I was in contact with Mr. Haage some time ago, to me he looked to say it polite "not very interested in amiga anymore". Even worse as far as I know they left the market not with good feelings. Also 3.9 is partly licensed so he would have to sorted out where he still has copyrights and where components are licensed. We talk about something 20 years ago so I am not sure if they still have all the documents anymore and even if why should they invest lots of time in it just to please a couple of users and not getting any money for it.

[grond]

Simple - Hyperion hires Tuko to work with ThoR and Olsen.

Unfortunately this is not possible since Hyperion cannot do any business due to their status as dissolved entity.

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

I was in contact with Mr. Haage some time ago, to me he looked to say it polite "not very interested in amiga anymore". Even worse as far as I know they left the market not with good feelings. Also 3.9 is partly licensed so he would have to sorted out where he still has copyrights and where components are licensed. We talk about something 20 years ago so I am not sure if they still have all the documents anymore and even if why should they invest lots of time in it just to please a couple of users and not getting any money for it.

Meh.  Tell him I'll give him a thousand bucks for it.  How much could it really be worth, anyway?  That's probably more than they've made in the past decade off it.  I wonder if Vesalia is still tossing them a few bucks for each (presumably legal) CD they sell?

Reminds me off something off the Usenet days, when someone bought something just because they could.  I remember it being something pretty funny, but I can't remember what or who.  Which I guess renders that story a little bit less funny. :lol:

[guest11527]

In short, if talked to H&P would they transfer those copyrights and the sources for a symbolic amount of money.
So we can get out of this limbo and would save guys like you a whole lot of work.

Look, I tried to reach out for H&P, and didn't get a response. But sure, you are welcome to try your luck as well.

[guest11527]

To whom would I show the receipt?

You still don't get it, right? I mean the part about "being honest"?

[guest11527]

Unfortunately this is not possible since Hyperion cannot do any business due to their status as dissolved entity.

Again spreading false rumours, right? So, where did you get this from?

[OlafS3]

Again spreading false rumours, right? So, where did you get this from?

that was the big topic recent days

f.e.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=42473&forum=16&viewmode=flat&order=0

[grond]

I mean the part about "being honest"?

As in "honestly nobody cares"?