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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga Hardware News => Topic started by: AmiDelf on September 17, 2002, 05:36:25 AM
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At ELBOX webshop you can order your
SharkPPC G3/G4 PowerPC PCI card for any Amiga with the Mediator PCI busboard. Gives new life to your Amiga 1200, 3000 and 4000.
Amitopia can also inform that the price will start from EUR 299.95, which is about 1857,- NOK and $290.xx U.S.
ELBOX webshop/SharkPPC:
http://buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=350S1G&sid=65550fb4
Amitopia website:
http://www.amitopia.tk
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Please someone from elbox explain. Does it require OS/4 or since it does not replace the 68K processor, can it be used with WarpUP in OS 3.9.
Maybe this has been answered before, but I didn't pay attention since questions about products that don't exist rarely interest me....but Elbox has a history of producing products and so now I'm curious.....
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Finally!!!! My dreams comes true..... :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
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@MarkTime
WarpOS is NOT an option, because the contextswitches would
be far worse than with a CS_PPC !
OS4 is NOT an option since Elbox don't have a licence for it,
and until now failed to deliever a proto to Hyperion.
Also with Hyperion well occupied with the A1 for atleast
another 6 monhts (sorry but lets face reality) there is noone
to port it. Forget the "highly-compatible-BS" as Hyperion have
allready declared that it won't work that way, and that they
would not give out material to a 3rd party for a port.
MorphOS is NOT an option as Elbox doesn't give out any specs
to them.
Linux ? That would mean that Elbox would support an "open"
standard/product and that the low-level specs of their HW would
be publicly available ....
So IF this is real, it seems a extra heat-source is all you
would get for the time being :-P
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Strange how they quote a starting price, but do not quote any of the other prices. :-?
And they dont say what processor you get with the package, just what processors are compatible...
Nonetheless, looks interesting. If OS4 takes off I might get one of these for my 1200 so that it can keep up with my A1 :-D
Assuming its all compatible that is...
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@Kronos!!
Oh No! Already!!! We don't know anything about Elbox and hyperion. I think that Os will support for sure SharkPPCG4, and incredible number of amigans has a mediator. We only must wait few months....
PS: I think that also Pegasos will run OS4... the market are so small and Hyperion can't be silly....
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OS4 is NOT an option since Elbox don't have a licence for it
Let's face reality: You've got no clue what you're talking about. You're just guessing.
Also with Hyperion well occupied with the A1 for atleast another 6 monhts (sorry but lets face reality)
Let's face reality: You've got no clue what you're talking about, you're just guessing.
I don't say Elbox will deliver that product, I just think you're annoying. And it gets worse with every posting.
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Strange how they quote a starting price, but do not quote any of the other prices.
And they dont say what processor you get with the package, just what processors are compatible..
It's all rather vague. Two of processors mentioned are IBM G3s (750CXe, presumably at 600 MHz, or 750FX ranging from 600MHz to 1GHz ) and the other is a G4 (MPC7450 (http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7450&nodeId=03M943030450467M950644686128&releaseLevel=Preview), ranging from 600 to 800 MHz).
That being said, it would be nice to know what's going to be on the first few cards, and how fast they'll run. After all, it'll be Q4 2002 in only 14 days...
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@ikir
Sorry, but Kronos is right. The argument between Elbox and Hyperion has been going on for some time, and in public. Elbox say they do not need to supply any hardware or specifications to Hyperion because OS4 will "just run" automatically on the SharkPPC, while Hyperion say quite definitely that it will not and that they need to develop drivers etc. Anybody simply assuming that the SharkPPC will be supported by OS4 has to be crazy at the moment. The only way this will work out is if Elbox back down and hand over the hardware for development.
As for the Pegasos, if it will be supported, it won't be for some time. Eyetech have been working too closely with Hyperion and Amiga Inc to not expect to get at least a head start on any rivals.
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May be. i think Elbox and Hyperion will find an agreement. Elbox needs OS4, OS4 needs Mediator market.
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there are two different version. Click on SharkPPC accelerator on the left. the other have 2 EIDE, USB, AGP, and sound blaster on board.
I like the second but i d'ont need a s sound-cand on -board. I have already an Sound Blaster 128....
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@ikir
Will the Shark be released ? Probraly.
If it is released, will Elbox come to sense and ask for a licence ?
They will try everything to wiggle out of that, but in the end the
will just do what they did with W3D or now Poseidon.
Will Elbox be able to do that within this year like they claim ?
Be ny guest !
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.......Will Elbox be able to do that within this year like they claim ?.....
I don't know but i know for sure that i haven't the money to buy an Amiga1, neither a Pegasos!
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Why is ram so slow?
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RAM? :-?
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I think the SharkPPC+ G3/G4 (http://buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=330SP1G&sid=65550fb4) might be the card Elbox (http://www.elbox.com) believes might run AmigaOS 4.0, or what :-?
It looks like it might use the same chipset as the AmigaOneG3-SE
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Yeah ram on this shark is only 582 MB/s, however 64bit*133MHz = 1064 MB/s.
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@hnl_dk
How do you come to that conclusion ??
But what I see as really funny:
"Shipping status: Q4 2002"
"Photo not available"
So they say that they gone have a working HW/SW package out in less
than 4 month, but still they don't even have a proto for a promo ?
Also remember that both versions will need special SW to redirect
access back to the Axx00-mobo, and that this SW has to be
tighltly intregrated with ExecSG ....
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"Photo not available"
I see the photo... :-?
(http://buy.elbox.com/gfx-shop/shark_s.jpg)
@elektro
It isn't the ram speed, but the speed between the pci card and the sharks. and it is very high!!
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Well it says: 'peak memory transfer rate', sounds like ram to me...
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mmm...
I think that pci transfer rate is measured in memory speed.
"Memory speed between PCI card is 128Mb/s".... ecc ecc
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66MHz PCI clock (transfer rate up to 264MB/s)
Pci has a memory window setting.
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Let's face reality: You've got no clue what you're talking about. You're just guessing.
Well HE may have been guessing, but he was right and I'm not guessing.
Also,
Even IF ELBOX makes a kludgy compatability mode so that the A1 HAL runs the Shark, it will not be optimal, well not as much as if ELBOX sends their HW to Hyperion and gets the OS4 license, etc.
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It isn't the ram speed, but the speed between the pci card and the sharks. and it is very high!!
No, your're wrong. It is well known that a 66mhz, 32-bit PCI bus does the 26x mb/sec transfer rate. The memory is the 5xx mb/sec figure. I feel that this transfer rate will provide enough *juice* for the G3 processor.
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Are you sure?
Is the ram speed??
Is 528 slow?
:-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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Hmmm... It is a PCI-card, right? Wouldn't it be possible to make it work in anything with a PCI-slot. Since it doesn't use the 68k(?) it would be possible?
Please, enlighten me.
:-? :-?
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@jaokim
it "should" run on OS4 without 68k. But actually we don't know if OS will support it.
It may run Linux too.
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@jaokim
it works on mediator pci-busboard.
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@jaokim
Hmmm... It is a PCI-card, right? Wouldn't it be possible to make it work in anything with a PCI-slot. Since it doesn't use the 68k(?) it would be possible?
That's a good point. If it's not somehow tied to the mediator hardware then maybe it could be used to revive the Siamese PCI (?) project, and we could have an Amiga on a card in a PC, just that now it'd be a PPC one instead of a 68k one (the Siamese PCI was going to be 68k, right?:-?) . Of course then it could be bundled as a PowerMac emulator given a Linux distro and MOL :-)
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@Ikir
I think Joakim ment if it could run without the Mediator in a PC or MAC for example.
If you could just add this card to your PC and be able to run OS4 (and who knows, maybe macos?) it would be a huge seller (in Amiga terms). I know lots of PC (old Amiga) users that would love to spend a little money on a PCI card that would let them run OS4.
Could the version with USB and IDE controller work as a stand alone computer in combination with the Mediator (working without the Classic Amiga)?
Best regards
Troels E -Going to Gothenborg in the weekend ;-)
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Ah finally good news:) Great news. If they only made a version for the A4000D
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@jose
You can buy an apposite towers with mediator pci and zorro3.
visiti elbox site. I think that is called Mirage 4000.
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Elbox do have an OS4 licence. Its mentioned somewhere on the Amiga
Inc site isn't it. The only problem was that they hadn't sent
Hyperion the hardware. Hyperion do however have Mediators.
Elbox have stated they are interested only in AOS running on their
products so it would be pointless releasing them without OS4 running
on them.
Also there is no point in Hyperion having a SharkPPC just yet because
OS4 has to be completed on CyberstormPPC, before work on other
hardware commences.
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@Rob
Do they ?
The only thing I remember is that they had asked for a licence,
but sofar there has be no final agreement announced and looking
at the way AInc would handle that news normally makes it clear
that there is nothing to announce.
@ikir
Sure there is a pic of the "normal" Shark, which may (or may not)
be just a rebadged Mac-accel, but there is no pic for the Shark+
which is also promised for Q4.
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ELBOX have the Amiga license. Amiga INC' also said in the beginning that Elbox is a partner in the AmigaOS 4 development.
I wish Elbox all the best! They need it.
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I think we might be pretty close to the OS4 release for the AGA+PPC configurations...
(in Q4...)
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I have to go with Bill here.
Before we can make any statements regarding 0S 4 support for the SharkPPC, we first need the hardware and the associated documentation.
We have neither at the moment nor any indication from Elbox when we can expect to receive it.
Now it's conceivable that Elbox came up with some kind of WarpOS compatibility software but if they did, I'm not aware of it.
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@Kronos
Also i remember a news like this on Amiga.com:
Elbox and Amiga inc working togheter for OS4 and behinds... something like this.
@HyperioHP
But if Elbox send you the board, there isn't any problems, right?
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Frankly, I don't know.
Sticking a PPC card into a PCI slot which then takes over the entire system is not a trivial affaire.
Especially not on the A1200 version of the Mediator where all kinds of work-arounds are required to get it to work through an 8MB window.
We really would first need to see the documentation and the hardware before we can make any statements about this.
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@HyperionHP
When i have buy Shogo, i asked you if OS4 will support Sharks, you reply yes..... 10 months ago i think....
I hope that you and Elbox find an agreement. i want to play my copy of Shogo.... was a present.... :-(
If Elbox don't contact you, you should try to contact they.... Amiga comunity must be strong
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@ikir
What I remmeber is the "licence-exec-up" where McBill wrote that Eyetech
HAD a licence (suprise suprise), that Elbox,Matay,Merlancia "are in talk with us",
and there was "no reply" by bPlan (again suprise suprise).
If Elbox had allready signed such a licence, it would have appear
in the latest exec-up (you can bet my hairy *** on that) :-D
I think (fear) that Ben may be right, and that they are planning
some sort of WarpOS-clone, which would certainly be buggy and slow,
for everything except maybe PPC-games (which don't do many
context-switches).
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mmmm
What a complex story!!!
read this:
Amiga Inc and Elbox Working Together for Amiga OS 4.0 and Beyond.
April 11, 2001, Snoqualmie, Washington, USA. Amiga Inc is pleased to announce a long-term relationship with Elbox Computer Ltd of Krakow, Poland. At the St Louis trade and user show on the 31st March 2001, Amiga Inc announced the development of AmigaOS4, the latest version of the high performance, user-friendly operating system that introduced multimedia to the world. To support AmigaOS4, Amiga Inc also released the Zico hardware specification targeted at PowerPC processors. Elbox Computer Ltd are working closely with Amiga Inc to ensure that their existing and future products will gain Zico certification, and thus provide a perfect platform for AmigaOS4.
'St Louis marked the beginning of the future.' said Bill McEwen, President and CEO of Amiga Inc. 'Key to that is the Amiga community moving forwards in a single direction, united and determined. With Elbox as a partner, another key Amiga company has joined the drive forwards towards success.'
'Our long-term commitment to computer technology is now giving tangible results in the Amiga market,' said Maciek Binek, CEO of Elbox. 'Now, with the Amiga Inc. initiative, we can see a clear sign of future-oriented thinking and strategy, a breakthrough for this computer. We hope Amiga will soon again become the common word.'
'Elbox have taken a major role in not just supporting the existing Amiga market with their many products but also in providing a path forwards.' said Fleecy Moss, CTO of Amiga Inc. "Our relationship with them will ensure that their existing customers can benefit from AmigaOS4 whilst new users coming to the Amiga will have additional excellent choices in the hardware that they can buy.'
AmigaOS4 is currently under development and will ship in Summer 2001. Elbox products can already be purchased from all major Amiga dealers, and their next new product, the SharkPPC+ will be available along with the premiere of the AmigaOS4 system.
About Amiga
Amiga Inc. provides technology to developers for writing and porting applications to a new multi-media operating systems which is hardware agnostic. AmigaDE is a joint development effort between the Tao Group of Reading England, and Amiga Incorporated. AmigaDE based applications can run unchanged on x86, PowerPC, M Core, ARM, StrongARM, MIPS R3000, R4000, R5000, SH 3, SH4, and NEC V850 processors. AmigaDE can run hosted on Linux, Embedded Linux, Windows 95, 98, 2000, NT, CE and QNX4. Amiga is based in Snoqualmie, WA, 28 miles east of Seattle and has offices worldwide. Amiga can be reached at (425) 396-5660 or visit Amiga on the web at http://www.amiga.com.
About Elbox :
Elbox Computer Ltd of Krakow, Poland is a privately held company that has been in business since 1982, and has grown rapidly from its industrial systems roots, now having a significant presence in peripherals, multimedia systems, high performance motherboards, enclosures, application software and general computer subsystems. Its products are used throughout the world and set a new standard in price, performance and customer satisfaction. For further information, please send an email to info@elbox.com or visit Elbox website at http://www.elbox.com
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@ikir
April_01 ???
That was loooooooooong before "the licence".
That was loooooooog before Hyperion had any thing to do with OS4 (atleast officially).
That may have been before H&P was involved in OS4.
It could allmost be the time when they were trying to use that other OS as OS4 :-o
Also:
I'm sure that one of the main points of "the licence" is that
Hypeiom gets HW & docs, and you have heard Ben's words on that ?
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sad story....
OS4 must run on Shark, PegasOS bla bla bla.....
the market are so small that we can't miss Elbox or bPlan.....
I'll never buy an new A1. If Shark will run on OS 3.9 i'll buy it too and i play with SHOGO via WarpOS.
:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-x :-x :-x :-x :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
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@HyperionMP,
With the current state of the Amiga market it is understandable why a company will not/ or connot afford to send a card out to be tested.
Is it unreasonable or impossible to make Elbox a beta tester for OS4?
In this way Elbox knows it is compatible and so does the amiga comunity and Hyperion/Amiga Inc. More SharkPPCs will be sold along with more OS4s to run on them.
Just a thought
Valan
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Great Valan!
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A summary of an email I sent to Elbox:
1) Congratulations on releasing the Shark PPC card long before anyone expected it!
2) Since AFAIK it requires OS4.0, I'm confused what the point would be of buying one now.
3) In the past, some Amiga companies have chosen to release products that buck well-established standards, leaving us with proprietary RDB's, non-autoconfig ram, and software that needlessly fails under newer OS's. I am very reluctant to go down this road again. If you want me as a customer, send Hyperion hardware samples or get official developer docs from them. Don't be cheap.
4) I refuse to use technologies like AC97, software modems, etc., and hope in the future you'll consider replacing the AC97 hardware on the Shark+ with something more useful...like maybe firewire or an 8MB flash ROM so we can have a proper Kickstart installation again. Don't blindly follow the PC industry's love of flakey hardware.
Todd
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1) Congratulations on releasing the Shark PPC card long before anyone expected it!
They haven't "released" anything, they've just put some pages up in their shop. Big difference.
2) Since AFAIK it requires OS4.0, I'm confused what the point would be of buying one now.
Thats assuming you can; Elbox havent officially announced anything. I'd consider this a "pre-order", if it accepts orders...
If you want me as a customer, send Hyperion hardware samples or get official developer docs from them. Don't be cheap.
Hear hear! Something i've said from the beginning. I wish Elbox had a more open attitude to licensing, and cooperating with third parties...
4) I refuse to use technologies like AC97
What is so evil about AC97?
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my gosh people, the computer has to boot!
You can't just run the os on a card, the os interfaces with the hardware of the system....good grief its more complex than that, in order to support pc and mac you'd have to do a bunch of work.
The reason os/4 might run on a amiga with this card is cause os4 can boot from the amiga side, and its a simpler job to have the powerpc code run on the powerpc pci card....however even thats not trivial and either someone wrote the support or it wasn't written.
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@ikir
"@jose
You can buy an apposite towers with mediator pci and zorro3.
visiti elbox site. I think that is called Mirage 4000."
Yeah, but I meant a version for desktop A4000's, not towerised ones...
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@jose
I don't know...
You should upgrade to tower! ;-)
Desktop design is old...... :-)
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ummm nothing
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so whats the lateset?
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7 years later and no SharkPPC/SharkPPC+ yet. AOS 4.1 out on Pegasos II (discontinued), Amigaone (discontinued) and SAM platform. AOS 4 also out for Classic Amiga with CS-PPC (discontinued?).
If Elbox and Hyperion ever 'got along' the SharkPPC should be out in the near future. Otherwise I am not sure we ever gonna see it.
I just invested some money into the mediator. At this moment I think Elbox looks as the most viable upgrade of the old system and SAM as the only existing Amiga clone.
I am currently using my Pegasos II as my Amiga OS platform though. So far happy with that setup that is slowly being setup with software from os4depot and Aminet.
Besides the Pegasos, I am trying to reconfigure the old A4000 as already stated to at least keep up the classic. It was having problems booting in it's original setup. Having cleaned the motherboard and refitted it in the Elbox cabinet I still need to add a few items and probably gonna go see if the is any existing accelerators as the CS mk 1's RAM didn't fit inside (tbh the SharkPPC+ would have been nice about now, but Elbox really need to spend a little on the AmigaOS license imo).
This thread was started 7 years ago. If the SharkPPC comes out it will be long overdue in any case, but maybe the boys at Elbox expected things moving along easier.
In any case I guess I will end up with some odd systems on my hand. (sometimes I think it would be much easier if AOS just came out on PS3)
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If SharkPPC will be released in the near future and:
- it will be comparable on speed with sam/pegasos (at least faster, than efika)
- and it will be supported in amigaos4.1
I will without fail buy it.
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Dream on ppl - the SharkPPC is nothing else than a rebadged Sonnet Crescendo 7200 (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/crescendo_7200.html) board which you can buy for $39.95. If there was any way to make it work on a Mediator, Elbox would've been selling heaps of them for years.
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it is stated for release the same day as the original Intellivision Computer keyboard Component, and Intellivision 4 LOL
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Dream on ppl - the SharkPPC is nothing else than a rebadged Sonnet Crescendo 7200 (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/crescendo_7200.html) board which you can buy for $39.95. If there was any way to make it work on a Mediator, Elbox would've been selling heaps of them for years.
Except Elbox would have charged us Amiga guys $499 USD for the Same card.