thank you commadore john , i tried your suggestions and and none of them worked but i googled your suggested instructions and it kinda opened up a whole new world of stuff ive never played with . was up late trying to get cd to boot trying to boot from usb stick and finally gave up for the nite and started playing with setting times to run programs automatically thru the the terminal when imm asleep . overall i learned a lot last nite but didnt really get anything done lol