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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 11:16:00 AM »
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So they are some documentations which says how AmigaOS 3.x behave in which situations? Do we have chance to find them are there opensource?

The complete AmigaOS 3 documentation has been officially released on "Amiga Developer CD". While it was not free of charge, it was publicly available and anyone (including me for example) could buy one.

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 11:18:20 AM »
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Maybe, but MorphOS won't catch on in the real world that I live in.


Come on. It is not real. It's the Matrix. Wake up, Neo. ;-)

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 11:20:49 AM »
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For many people, neither is any of the
So what you want is for the X1000, which will cost "north of £1500" to be marketed as a UAE box? Even when the OS4 version of UAE is markedly less advanced than the windows version, and when fpga based solutions costing a fraction are available now?

I swear every time I read this sort of tripe, the reasons for my misgivings over AmigaNG are made all the more clear.


I was merely stating that it would be a nicety, a great bonus feature as it were; there is so much to 'Amiga' than gaming - perhaps I should have put that in brackets I didn't mean use that as a means to market the product - sorry for the misunderstanding.

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM »
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Maybe, but MorphOS won't catch on in the real world that I live in.


Neither can OS4. They are relics. Their one and only shot of making a viable niche for themselves as anything other than a hobby ended a decade ago.

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  If MorphOS really cared about the Amiga (which clearly they do to an extent as they based their whole OS around it) and ($$$) wanted to make some real money they should ditch MorphOS and join AOS4.1 as thats where real money lies.


There is no "real money" in the Amiga. It is a hobbyist market. The sooner you wake up to the fact the better.

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The MorphOS team have proved they can make a working OS and have played their cards and showed they have some real talent; now is the time to put it all to some real use and support the platform - the Amiga.  All it takes is one phone call.


This has to be one of the most saddening and slightly creepy posts I've read on here in a long, long time. Do you even know the crap that went off over the past 10 years?!
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2010, 11:26:57 AM »
@djrikki
MOS is a good thing for AmigaOS as it ensures good competition and evolution. it is also legal and has it's place in the Amiga ecosystem.

Leave it be and don't fuel needless flame wars.
 

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2010, 11:33:40 AM »
Snippets of it yes.  We are talking about different people now with different ideas and goals and ambitions.  You can't brand them (Hyperion) with the 'crap' that went off over the past 10 years.  A.Inc no longer has anything to do with Amiga, Hyperion do, Hyperion are the ones taking the OS positively forward step by step.

It maybe a hobbyist market right now, but it certainly doesn't have to be this way forever.  Yes you are right this is probably the final chance for the Amiga, I am not that naive I don't expect Amiga to 'take over the world'.  But regardless the world is still a place of opportunities, it can't be just PC and Apple forever - every industry has to have competition or there is stagnation and no innovation.  With the right management team in place and dedication there is nothing at all stopping them from taking a bigger chunk.

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 11:35:00 AM »
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MorphOS should get their own forum or if they have one.. use it. MorphOS isn't Amiga and Amiga isn't MorphOS.

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How is this related to MorphOS legal status? amiga.org is open and free for all platforms. If you don't like it, you can always leave yourself.

At least could you please start your own thread about your ranting?

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We are talking about different people now with different ideas and goals and ambitions. You can't brand them (Hyperion) with the 'crap' that went off over the past 10 years.
Actually they're the very same people. Ben Hermans is again involved with Hyperion and also A-Eon. See these:
http://sintonen.fi/temp/hermans.txt and
http://www.biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/benhermans/

You expect anyone to work with people like this?

There indeed is problems, but we're not it. There is absolutely no way anyone from MorphOS would ever be involved with Hermans. I'd rather see MorphOS die off than merge it with what AmigaOS is today.
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2010, 11:55:23 AM »
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Snippets of it yes.


So in fact the answer is no, you don't know what went off.

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We are talking about different people now with different ideas and goals and ambitions.  You can't brand them (Hyperion) with the 'crap' that went off over the past 10 years.  A.Inc no longer has anything to do with Amiga, Hyperion do, Hyperion are the ones taking the OS positively forward step by step.


No sir, I'm not talking about different people. And if you knew your history you would understand that.

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It maybe a hobbyist market right now, but it certainly doesn't have to be this way forever.


I've tried to be gentle about this but it's clearly not sinking in. Right here we go:

Amiga, in all its flavours is currently and will forever be a hobbyist market. The desktop market is saturated, mature and there isn't either the resources or money required to make even a dent into it. It's sewn up.

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Yes you are right this is probably the final chance for the Amiga,


I didn't say that. I said and I quote: "They are relics. Their one and only shot of making a viable niche for themselves as anything other than a hobby ended a decade ago."

Emphasis mine. The Amiga is a hobby machine. Get used to it.


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But regardless the world is still a place of opportunities, it can't be just PC and Apple forever - every industry has to have competition or there is stagnation and no innovation.


It's called open source. You might want to look into it. Software is more and more becoming a commodity as the market matures.

Hardware too has long since gotten to the stage where outside of ultra high end gaming, it's "good enough". Right now the current market is pushing toward lifestyle PCs along the same lines as the iMac. Sure there are still big box systems out there, but smaller boxes with enough power are becoming more and more commonplace and laptops are now selling faster than both combined because put simply: People don't want to have hulking great towers in their homes if they don't need to.

Regular people will look at a Windows box and Mac and even once in a blue moon a Linux box and compare them for their needs. If PC World for instance started selling X1000's tomorrow at £1500, with a fully ported and optimised OS4 running on it, how well would it compare to either of those three in reality?

Answers on the back of a postcard to the usual address.

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With the right management team in place and dedication there is nothing at all stopping them from taking a bigger chunk.


Except being 20 years behind the times, on a dead end cpu architecture (for desktop use),costing about x10 what a comparable box offers outside of this market does, having a tiny fraction of the developers for even just the Linux kernel and zero investment. But beyond that, sure, every chance in the world.
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2010, 12:03:39 PM »
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MorphOS should get their own forum or if they have one.. use it.  MorphOS isn't Amiga and Amiga isn't MorphOS.


"Platform X"-only sites are a dime a dozen.

The day Amiga.org officially no longer cares about the entire family of amigoid systems will be the day I leave the site.

The site caters for all things "amiga" and that's what makes it one of the very best amiga community sites there is.

Occasionally that means old arguments resurfacing between advocates of different systems (and I get as tired of those as the next man) but that's the price you pay for having a site where you can go no matter which platform you use.
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2010, 12:18:01 PM »
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MorphOS should get their own forum or if they have one.. use it.  MorphOS isn't Amiga and Amiga isn't MorphOS.

Please do not tell other users what should or should not be posted here. The owner of the site has decided to let all Amiga related platforms be discussed, as is clearly obvious if you look at the title of the category this thread is posted in.

Your posts could easily be considered outright trolling.
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2010, 12:40:14 PM »
It would be better if the MorphOS developers would thoroughly explain what MorphOS is in its Wikipedia page to avoid all of the confusions. Of course, neutral viewpoint is encouraged.

I'm more furious about the poor hardware conditions (the whole world neglected PowerPC) than the operating systems anyways.

Let's not fight but praise each other at best.
 

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 12:47:24 PM »
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Yes you are right this is probably the final chance for the Amiga,


Well now, that is something I can agree with you on.  If the A1X1K is a financial-commercial failure, I can't see too much of a reason for OS4 to carry on.  MOS is picking up sales with old Mac hardware, so there is a minor cash flow as incentive to carry on.  I can't see the same for OS4, even SAM460 sales will most like be going to existing (although I will be an exception) SAM440 owners wanting more power.
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2010, 01:50:24 PM »
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AOS4.1 as thats where real money lies.

I don't want some of what you have been taking because I don't think I'd ever be able to return from so far out.
 

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2010, 02:15:46 PM »
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The complete AmigaOS 3 documentation has been officially released on "Amiga Developer CD". While it was not free of charge, it was publicly available and anyone (including me for example) could buy one.


From where ? Who owns it?
 

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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2010, 02:18:51 PM »
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From where ? Who owns it?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=amiga+developer+cd

Part of it is even available for free:
http://www.haage-partner.de/download/AmigaOS/NDK39.lha
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Re: How Legal is MorphOS?
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 27, 2010, 02:26:08 PM »
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=amiga+developer+cd

Part of it is even available for free:
http://www.haage-partner.de/download/AmigaOS/NDK39.lha


Also try here.
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