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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => General Internet News => Topic started by: redrumloa on June 28, 2002, 02:31:16 AM
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According to Moo Bunny (http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/), Moo Bunny will stop posting Amiga content and will move to the Imac platform. Moobunny won't leave the Amiga completely.
"That said, I'm not just dumping the Amiga for all time. It's still a fun computer to tinker with, still has work it can do, still has lessons to teach, and with the right housecleaning in what now passes for its "community", can still have a thriving (if retro) development scene."
Read the whole article below:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/amiga/amiga_articles.shtml
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Interesting read, although not very positive to say the least (http://www.plauder-smilies.de/eek7.gif)
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hmmmmm ... don't believe rumours ;-)
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hmmmmm ... don't believe rumours
Hmm it didn't read much like a rumor. It could be a publicity stunt I suppose.. Doesnt seem like it though.
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@red
It isn't very positive, but John has some incredibly valid points about Amiga Inc's complete lack of vision and understanding of customer needs and desires in 2002.
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Uuuh that's worse.. RETRO... freakin retro.. I don't think current high end system can quite be labeled retro. C64, COCO2, Kaypro are all retro.
An Amiga is not a plaid shirt/bell bottom pants platform :-o
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Hey! What kind of news reporting is this? John Shepard's got a Mac, no changes are planned for the Moo Bunny, and he might even continue (heh, annually, like now...) to write Amiga articles.
As for the article itself, I think it was very well written and right on target.
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We're all hippies :-)
haha
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I don't think current high end system can quite be labeled retro.
Amiga = retro now ? Maybe not, but we are are on the road to nowhere,
and there is nothing that could stop us.
Amithlon/AROS/MOS/OS4 may slow down the decline, but there is no way
we'll ever see enough users again to have a really profitable platform (>500k).
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Amiga can be back competing with the big boys. Really! But there need to be taken some decisions and some other risky things. Were playing to safe. But who am I to say how other people should do their work?
Coder
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@Coder
1st thanks for giving me a reason to pull even with whabang again :-D
Just look at the features/extras you would get with WinXP/OSX "for free"
and you should understand that the Amiga isn't interesting for the masses.
To get some interest, you would need lots and lost of SW that is up to the
competition. like brand-new/exclusive games, browsers and office-SW.
Developers are only investing if they see a market thats big enough.
For that you'll have to have something of interest for the masses.
To get some interest, you would need lots and lost of SW that is up to the
competition. like brand-new/exclusive games, browsers and office-SW.
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There is no way out of this :-x :-x
But there is still a chance to become(stay) the 2nd "geek-system"
alongside Linux(BSD).
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Errr. I read this this morning, and unless crash changed it Moo is just going "Alternative Computer Roomers", not just Mac / iMac.
Though he did talk about the Mac alot
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Moobunny ceased having much to do with the Amiga a long time ago.
But the IMac?! :lol:
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There is no way out of this
Sure there is!!
1. Make a good product that everyone can afford.
2. Produce the software that everyone needs.
3. Support your dealers.
It won't become mainstream overnight. That is something that takes years of sales and development to achieve.
The early amigas had stiff compatition from IBM PC clones, Atari and Apple. They still were not the biggest selling computers,
but they were with-out-a-doubt the best! And everybody new their name!!!
Lets have some faith and support the next Amiga (whatever it may be).
Loki :-D
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hmmmm I've read stuff like this for yrs now but not written as well as this.
He obviously has given up all hope and has some realistic views that he has put across well.
The Amiga was so much and could still be but I'm kind of used to it being a niche market (to say the least). I wouldn't even class myself as an Amiga user. I'm just clinging onto the past with a love of 'alternative' computing.
Having said this I can't help but wait eagerly for AOS4+, PPC hardware, hardware independant software, emulators and whatever else emerges.
Whether certain things happen or not and whether the user base grows so much that the average joe tinkers around with Amigas again we can only hope. Its been and hopefully will be a great ride. :)
EDIT: My sister has just had a baby Girl. Housey is an Uncle :-D I held her in my arms at 4.5 hours old :pint:
House
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I think this is the most crasy time for any Rumor Mill to quit the Amiga :-o
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I think if we could get some decent software out on OS4 we could
easily give Apple a run for their money. Has anyone used Mac OSX? My
mates dad has an IMac G3 550, its so damm slow especially when it has
to boot into the classic environment (about ten minutes of waiting).
In fact his older sister, a complete computer novice (Apple target
audience I believe), wanted to use his Win98/PC to search the net for
Holidays. In her words the Mac is ****ing s**t.
What's more when his dad (computer novice) first got the machine, my
friend had to become his personal consultant. I heard no end of tales
of frustation about the rubbish OS it was using.
So there you have even the much hated Windows is easier and quicker
than Mac.
By the way I always use my A1200/040, on the Net and otherwise.
Rob... keenly awaiting OS4+AmigaOne
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The Amiga forums will remain right?
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Rant on!
Personally I think this news/thread item is mute. We can not speculate on waht OS 4 will or won't be. Threfore what was posted on Moobunny is true in the sense that nothing had truely been release yet, with the exception of a very cut back game orientated version of the DE( ala AmigaAnywhere)
I'm not disagreeing that OS4, if and when released, will be faster from a user stand point, but what about the features... will we have drag and drop cut and paste abilites, like that of Opus? We still don't know.
Even then Opus is limited in that forum. Are they extending it... we don't know. Now for the biggest question of all... with all my negative remarks.
Will I purchase an A1 $50 coupon??? Well, yes... I already have. And here's why. I will gladly give up 50 bucks if it means I can purchase a new HW/SW solution that runs the AmigaOS. That is really what drew me to the Amiga in the first place. I like having a RTOS(well almost in the first conception and beyond).
I like feeling like I am doing so much that my mind can hardly keep up. Yet the user inteface never faulters. Nothing like prioritizing the user input/results above all else.
Now as a programmer, yes I want Memory protection, polymophism, inheritance and etc. but at what cost do I want them?? Well I for one can work and compile speedy code without them. The only benefit that I gain really from said above is the ability to do RAD. Well, I'm ot a RAD type person even though I develope RAD software(internet applications) for a paycheck. Still I pay close attention to variable assignments, memory useage, sql indexing and etc.
So, well I have forgotten my point. But none the less I will support the Amiga commnity as it was what taught me right. College sure as hell didn't. They were still teaching top down coding methodiligies afeter I had aleady had 10 years of event/object orientated methodologies.
Rant off!
Blitter
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@Moo Bunny
Sorry to hear this John ( Moo Bunny) ....
Although I didn't live there, I visited Moo Bunny often enough to keep it in my "bookmarks" (Netscape) and "hotlist" (AWeb).
Interesting article. Somewhat somber opinions about Amiga, but I understand where you are coming from.
All the best with your future endeavours.
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redfox
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@Loki
1. G3-Systems for >1000Euro (including case, monitor...) are simply
not competetive to the x86s, and the SW-base isn't good enough to make
people switch in masses.
2. And whohas the resources to do all the viewers, the games, the web-stuff ?
Noone in this tiny market.
3. And what could that bring ? Most people expect to buy their stuff just around
the corner, and I don't new dealers popping up in masses, or the A1 in the
next department-store.
Face the Amiga is a hobby for the informed few.
The chance to become the leader on the desktop was destroyed
by C=, and the one to stay a major player by Escom.
Don't forget this is 2002 and not 1985. It's impossible to bring
a completly new system to the market (the last on e that had some success
was the Archimedes). Even building on the currrent market they won't
reach many outsiders unless they would spend >100000000$ to develop
something groundbreaking. Noone has that kind of money.
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My sister has just had a baby Girl. Housey is an Uncle
My congratulations to you and your sister Housey.
Coder
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Housey,
Big Airy Agafaster's a dad (twice), but also an uncle.
congrats mate, I'm gonna go wet the babbies' heed :pint: for ya ! - does she have a name yet ?
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I agree with most of what was in his article, except
I draw different conclusions.
OTOH if AOS4 does not hook me and suck me in from the
moment I install the final production version Im going the
way of PPC Linux. So even for me its the Amiga markets
last chance.
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cheers Coder and AGAFaster !
She is called Lauren .... and i've wet the babies heeeeed and more tonight! :pint:
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Having read the article, I guess the change is not so much a matter of "leaving the Amiga" (though there is a hint of setting it firmly into a "retro" context), as expanding it into an "alternative platform" Rumour Mill.
If this is what will happen, I guess I'll still hang around and read it for a while. However, if the focus shifts mostly on MacOS, then I will certainly lose interest. Nor because I think MacOS particularly bad, but because I am extremely unlikely to ever own a computer running it, so I'm not going to spend too much of my time reading about it.
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EDIT: My sister has just had a baby Girl. Housey is an Uncle I held her in my arms at 4.5 hours old
That's awesome Housey! Good feeling aint it? :-)
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Red,
Yeah I'm still buzzing :-P
Strange feeling, might have to start acting responsibly soon too !
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@Housey
Congrats! :-D
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....might have to start acting responsibly soon too !
Hope that never happens to me :-D
Still my best wishes !
And being uncle is not that bad as long as you don't have to babysit.
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It's bullshit.
Amiga proved in 1985 that you CAN launch a new platform in an industry dominated by a few major players - if your platform is *good* enough. AND if it's the right price.
These are the ingredients for success:
Entry level machine that is cheaper than a clone - or at least the same price.
Easy to use.
Easy to develop for - especially for amateurs. Look at all the killer amiga games that came from self taught programmers!
A few killer games that nobody else has got, or else ports of PC games that run demonstrably better on the new machine.
User configurable.
But above all, the price has to be right. Joe Citizen knows nothing about computers and fears forking out $2000 for a machine for his kids. He walks into a shop and there's a little machine for less than half that, and the salesman tells him what a great little machine it is.
Does Mr Citizen know what "PC compatibility" means? Hell no! His kids want a computer and here's a way he can get into computing without paying an arm and a leg.
Chalk up another sale for that new Amiga!
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Amiga proved in 1985 that you CAN launch a new platform
That was in 1985, before there was a need for all the browser and players.
The was a high amount (compared to other systems of that time) of money
invested in the Amiga and the result was grounbreaking HW and a
promising OS. Still the company that developed it went bust before they
could sell one single maschine.
The AOne (and Pegasos) are NOT groundbreaking in HW and the OS won't
make many heads move outside the "community".
This won't change until you invest 100s of million of $ to compete with the
likes of NVidia or ATI.
After that you would have HW that was up with TODAYS competition, but still
no "killer-apps" and no top-notch exclusie games to gain some consumer
interest. NVidia/ATI/?? won't sleep during the time of development and
definitly not afterwards. While your chips are restricted to one systems,
theirs run on all the others securing them the funds for continous developing.
Does Mr Citizen know what "PC compatibility" means? Hell no! His kids want a computer and here's a way he can get into computing without paying an arm and a leg.
The first thing that "Mr Citizen" will ask the salesman is if this no
computer can run all the available learnig-SW for his kids, if it can view the
latest web-pages, and if his kids can use the knowledge they will get on
this system in their further lifes.
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Moobunny ceased having much to do with the Amiga a long time ago.
But the IMac?!
Considering that Amiga staff post there from time to time, as well as Ben from Hyperion, Andrew Korn from the now-defunct AmigaActive and a lot of people who still use these computers or like to follow the comic opera of the platform, I'm not sure exactly what you mean by your comment. It is true that generally Moobunny participants are a little less inclined to give Amiga, Inc. the benefit of the doubt than people here are, and they seem to reflect broader backgrounds and interests. So in that sense Moobunny isn't as Amiga-centric, but it's still a good place to get technical information about Amigas, and a good place to talk about computing with enthusiasts IMHO.
I think the iMac was just given as an example of a tool for doing creative things. Like John said, the Amiga still has that capability. Moobunny isn't "leaving" or anything; the article was just acknowledging the benefits of a wider view, and realizing that it isn't brands themselves that are so important necessarily, but what the computer and software enable.
-- gary_c
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cheers guys.
Rather baby sit an A1 though :-D
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Apple/Macintosh sucks! I dealt with them in high school and they sucked tremendously!!! I've gotten absolutely NOWHERE with those piles of s***. And, that's a fact!
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Anyone who came to the same conclusion as redrumloa after reading the article should read:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/cgi/moobunnythread.pl/amiga?flat=74339
Hopefully this will clear things up..
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> I dealt with them in high school and they sucked tremendously!!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that you used MacOS 9 or earlier. The Mac now has an entirely different operating system, based on NeXTStep. It's just not the same Mac that you know.
I wonder how many of those who 'support' Amiga use AmigaOS exclusively, anyway. I suspect that the majority of those who end up switching platform just chuck it in and get a Windows box.
If more people had turned to the Mac as the closest platform to the Amiga we know and love, then I think we would have a better port of UAE (now that's something that really does suck), and proper support in Amiga Forever.
This for the many PC switchers: http://www.apple.com/macosx
For the Amiga loyal: hang on in there, I wouldn't dream of suggesting you change.
Chris
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According to Moo Bunny (http://flyingmice.com/squid/moobunny/amiga/), Moo Bunny will stop posting Amiga content and will move to the Imac platform. Moobunny won't leave the Amiga completely.
"That said, I'm not just dumping the Amiga for all time. It's still a fun computer to tinker with, still has work it can do, still has lessons to teach, and with the right housecleaning in what now passes for its "community", can still have a thriving (if retro) development scene."
Read the whole article below:
http://flyingmice.com/squid/amiga/amiga_articles.shtml
Almost 10 years later...and nothing has changed
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Wait, people still post there?
Back Zombie thread from the depths!
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Almost 10 years later...and nothing has changed
Except for Bloodline's socks.
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And yet I feel the need to resurrect another decade old thread about the Moo ;D