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Title: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 14, 2021, 05:59:09 PM
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AmigaOS 3.2 for all Classic Amigas released and available
Brussels, May 14, 2021

Hyperion Entertainment CVBA is very pleased to announce the immediate availability of AmigaOS 3.2 for 68K based Amigas.

AmigaOS 3.2 comes packed with well over 100 new features, dozens of updates that cover nearly all AmigaOS components and a battery of bugfixes that will undoubtely solidify the user experience.

AmigaOS 3.2 is the result of more than 2 years of intense and relentless work from a team of over sixty people who have contributed to produce a new milestone in AmigaOS history.

Hyperion Entertainment CVBA has no words to express its gratitude to this talented and resilient team for its impressive work ethic.

The most comprehensive version of AmigaOS 3.2 is available now on CD-ROM and contains all the disks and AmigaOS Kickstart ROM sets for all Amiga machines ever produced allowing users to install AmigaOS 3.2 on multiple different types of Amigas at once.

Place your order now with your Amiga dealer of choice!

Digital (machine type specific) downloadable versions will follow.
https://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/index.php/news/1-latest-news/290-amigaos-42-for-all-classic-amigas-released-and-available
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 14, 2021, 06:00:07 PM
AmigaOS 3.2 FEATURE LIST SUMMARY


ReAction GUI toolkit integration
Built-in ADF (Amiga disk file image) management
Integrated Help subsystem
Updated Data Type system
Workbench and other user interface improvements
Improved Tools, Utilities and System applications
Enhanced Shell behavior
New and reworked command set
Touched up Preferences
Polished MultiView
Revamped Commodities
Expanded BootMenu
Inclusion and refinement of the AmigaOS 3.1.4 feature set
Flexible delivery media
Many remarkable additions
1. REACTION GUI TOOLKIT INTEGRATION
The incorporation of the ReAction GUI Toolkit not only opens up a plethora of existing applications for AmigaOS 3.2 users, it also ensures much easier portability and cross-development between different versions of AmigaOS
No additional installation required, it just works, even on low-end 68000 systems
A new multi-file text editor called "TextEdit" is included as a show-case
ReAction has its own Preferences editor which lets you set backfilled patterns for ReAction based programs
Fresh and bug fixed Classes backport from AmigaOS 4.x with many exclusive characteristics and brushed up aesthetics

2.BUILT-IN ADF (AMIGA DISK FILE IMAGE) MANAGEMENT
DAControl & trackfile.device provide unprecedented functionality, as they enable users to create, mount, insert and eject ADF files
ADF images are handled just like any physical floppy disk
On "Workbench" you can mount an ADF image by double-clicking on it
ADF handling can be accomplished via Shell through the use of an extensive set of available options
Accessing such mounted ADF disk image files is fast and requires very little memory
Multiple ADF disk images can be mounted at the same time
A shared cache system is available in order to speed up ADF operations
3.INTEGRATED HELP SUBSYSTEM
A complete "Reference Manual" covers all commands and most complex topics
An AmigaGuide based central "Help hub" is available by simply pressing the HELP key
The Help database can be quickly queried from the Shell/CLI
Preferences and many other programs contain Help menu items
In the WBStartup folder, MenuTools adds the "Help" menu item to the "Tools" menu but can be customized to add other Tools as well
4.UPDATED DATA TYPE SYSTEM
New AIFF uncompressed audio data type
New GIF image data type
New WAV audio data type
New JPEG picture data type
New PNG multi-platform image data type
New BMP data type for Windows/OS2 bitmap images
New Icon.datatype enables use of ".info" files as images
New ACBM picture data type (used in AmigaBASIC & SpectraPaint)
The AmigaGuide data type can now display inline images
Text data type with search functionality
Faster and more configurable CDXL and ANIM data types
Sound.datatype manages bit rate samples of 8, 16, 24 and 32 bit
Picture.datatype is now stunningly fast even on low-end 68000 processors
5. AMIGAOS WORKBENCH AND OTHER USER INTERFACE IMPROVEMENTS
Resize windows from any border
Window iconification
Workbench title bar customization
Maximize a window by holding down the SHIFT key and clicking on the window zoom gadget
The [ESC] key quits easy requesters
Scalable "GadTools" user interface adapting to different font sizes
Workbench menu "Open volume"
Menu Window -> Sort Order (Forward or Reverse)
Off-Screen windows is a built-in default that is now configurable
Scrollers and sliders now feature 3D-style embossed knobs and a darker container background
Newer Look menus: Palette Prefs "Menu Bright Edges" + "Menu Dark Edges"
Newer Look menus: sub-menu indicator changed from "»" to a black filled triangle
Newer Look menus: checkmark glyph replaced by a black filled circle in mutually-exclusive options
Workbench Prefs defines drawer placing in text mode

6.IMPROVED TOOLS, UTILITIES AND SYSTEM APPLICATIONS
Interactive partition "Mounter"
"Find" allows you to quickly search for file names or file content
"ShowConfig" now has aesthetically pleasing user interface and displays AutoConfig hardware in a human readable form
HDToolBox can now operate from read-only media if needed
7.ENHANCED SHELL BEHAVIOR
Configurable TAB autocompletion
Ability to drop icons into Shell windows
Shell error redirection
"Execute" is now an internal Shell command
"History" is a new internal Shell command
Shell operators && and || for AND plus concatenation operations
A debug variable sends executed commands to the serial port
Shell-startup has been adjusted for easier customization
8.NEW AND REWORKED COMMANDS
C:Eval properly groups operations
C:Copy gains a FORCE option to overwrite targets
C:Protect gains USER, GROUP, OTHER, CLONE, CLEAR, FILES, and DIRS
C:SetDate can copy the date FROM a file
C:List provides FLAT, SORT, USERS, GROUP, LFORMATQUOTE options
C:Mount SHUTDOWN attempts to shutdown handlers
C:Assign incorporated DENIED and DISMOUNT switches
C:Type supports AUTO, TEXTONLY, WIDTH and BUFFER options
C:Reboot restarts your Amiga but waits for any ongoing write operations to prevent validation issues
C:Group and C:Owner commands added for networked environments
C:MD5Sum calculates and compares checksums of files and volumes
C:MountInfo command helps in the creation of MountLists
C:Break and C:ChangeTaskPri NAME handle wildcards options
C:DefIcons identifies files and applies a default icon to them
C:AssignWedge allows users to create or deny an assign on the fly
C:LoadMonDrvs simplifies and quickly starts monitor drivers.
9.TOUCHED UP PREFERENCE EDITORS
Custom printer output device and unit number
WBPattern has layout options for Backdrops, Screens and Windows which include both color and dithering
PointerPrefs has been overhauled to support 40 different pointer types
Font Preferences comes with Shadow and Outline font options
IControl received a massive makeover which introduced new functionality such as Window and screen border aspect ratios customization
10.POLISHED MULTIVIEW
A new "Edit/Paste" menu item opens the contents of clipboard unit 0 (thus complementing "Edit/Copy")
The "About" window now reports the width, height and depth of the currently displayed picture or animation
The names of ARexx scripts for user menus can now be up to 40 characters long and may contain "spaces"
Pressing the [Shift] key while the "Save as..." menu item is selected, forces MultiView to save the displayed document in IFF format
Now lists pattern matching in its ASL requester that, if removed, can also display icons (useful in conjunction with the new icon.datatype)
11.REVAMPED COMMODITIES
"RAWBInfo" is an improved replacement of the icon information tool
"AsyncWB" is an AmigaOS Workbench enhancement Commodity with divers functionality
"AutoPoint" KEEPSTRINGS prevents this Commodity from automatically stealing focus from a window with an active string gadget
"ClickToFront" TOBACK_QUALIFIER selects a qualifier for sending windows back (with a single click)
"ClickToFront" no longer brings Workbench windows to the front when double-clicking on an icon
"NumericPad" allows numeric pad keys to be remapped to the standard keyboard
The "AutoArrangeIcons" Commodity-like set of scripts automates the ordering and snapshot of icons in the active window
12.EXPANDED BOOTMENU
An option to trace the Startup-sequence line by line is now available
The user can disable ROM Module updates by clicking on a gadget
The hardware expansion screen displays expansion board addresses and sizes
A new option to redirect serial port output to a file is available with the "Enable System Log" option
The "Failsafe" boot gadget starts the Amiga in a robust and safe environment to carry out maintenance and troubleshooting tasks
More keyboard shortcuts for the majority of options
Displays AmigaOS Kickstart version numbers
13.INCLUSION AND REFINEMENT OF THE AMIGAOS 3.1.4 FEATURE SET
Support for storage media bigger than 4 GB
Modernized AmigaOS Workbench
DiskDoctor for disk diagnostic and salvage operations
Native support for pipes, softlinks, hardlinks and long filenames
CrossDOS supporting FAT 32 and long filenames
CD-ROM file system that supports Rockridge and Joliet extensions as well as UDF and now also Macintosh HFS
Both FFS (FastFileSystem) and the CD-ROM file system are now smarter, faster, and multi-threaded
Fully reworked and bug-fixed printer drivers
Built-in GlowIcons support as an installable option
More than 2100 icons in GlowIcon style included on the AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM
14.FLEXIBLE DELIVERY MEDIA
The distribution AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM contains ADF disk images that can be transferred to physical floppy disks or Gotek-type drives
All Modules disks perform as emergency boot disks too
The DiskDoctor disk can help users to quickly get back on their feet when facing disk failures
The AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM content can be copied "as is" to an Amiga formatted hard drive and booted right away for installation thanks to the "Amiga Preinstallation Environment" (AmigaPE)
All Amiga model disks and AmigaOS Kickstart ROM set images are available on the AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM
Attractive printable labels are available for all your favorite AmigaOS 3.2 storage media variants (AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM version only)
Experimental CD-ROM-based Amiga CDTV and Amiga CD32 support
15.MANY REMARKABLE ADDITIONS
Wheel mouse support for scrolling on AmigaOS Workbench windows
IPrefs stacks multiple changes and refreshes the screen only once
IPrefs points out names of blocking windows when refreshing
No more DF0:???? icons as disk.resource now does proper checking
Increased ROM Modules flexibility by loading more modules from disk without requiring an additional reboot for them
"HappyENV/ENV-Handler" functionality reimplementation incorporated
No more MaxTransfer values required for built-in Commodore and other well-known hardware controllers from various manufacturers
"Installer" is more compatible with previous AmigaOS versions
Multiple input events are supported by input.device
Two new alerts report module issues for easier system diagnosis
New API features for developers
Optional generic processor support libraries for 68K CPU boards
 

------------- What are you waiting for? Order now! -------------------
 
CDRom image by @Gulliver
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 14, 2021, 06:15:15 PM
OS3.2 FAQ provided by @Gulliver

PDF: https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=75185.msg852464#msg852464
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: digiflip on May 14, 2021, 07:07:46 PM
how is it released if no amiga store sells this nor a digital iso of cdrom?

Should it not been announced until all amiga store's and/or hyperion updated its own store?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 14, 2021, 07:17:07 PM
Physical copies will come first, to delay piracy a bit i guess.
Over here we have already friday evening so the announcement came a bit ill-timed.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Lizard on May 14, 2021, 07:31:44 PM
Is there any news about an upgrade fee for existing 3.1.4 users?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: digiflip on May 14, 2021, 07:45:43 PM
I retract my statement one store is selling https://www.retropassion.co.uk/product-category/amigaos32/
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Pyromania on May 14, 2021, 08:06:44 PM
Release the Kraken!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: NinjaCyborg on May 14, 2021, 08:07:50 PM
Is there any news about an upgrade fee for existing 3.1.4 users?

Come on. Support your hobby, not nickel and dime it.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Lizard on May 14, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
Is there any news about an upgrade fee for existing 3.1.4 users?

Come on. Support your hobby, not nickel and dime it.
I have 4 licences of 3.1.4, which I don't all use, thank you very much.
And I do want to support the developers, but as they stated before, they work for free.
So I still thinks it's a valid question.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: duga on May 14, 2021, 08:23:19 PM
Customers from Finland and Sweden interested in AmigaOS 3.2 should have a look at https://www.arosretrofit.se/product.html/amigaos-32
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 14, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
The CD (74MB) contains all versions for each supported model, plus extras.

There might be smaller floppy bundles with only the essential disks included, depending on the dealer.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Orphan264 on May 14, 2021, 09:34:44 PM
Amazing list of features/changes! I am thrilled!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Dragster on May 14, 2021, 10:08:27 PM
WOW! Fantastic news! I'm gonna buy this! hehehe

Cheers,
Dragster
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: goldfish on May 14, 2021, 11:16:57 PM
Nice cardboard box with 3.2 roms and CD and install guide would be nice. Cant see how they would fit roms in a dvd case.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 15, 2021, 11:16:13 AM
A nice box would be awesome, like the OS3.5 one.
As there were about 60  people involved i wonder if a new book will come out in the process. Might be a good bundle: CD, ROM, book in a shiny box. :)

The NDK has also been updated and is present on the disc, download available later for sure.

The changelog is in there too.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 15, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
I just tried to figure how one would choose a minimal floppy installation:
Do i need disk 1 and disk 10?
Why is an EN or UK localization required? What is the 'internal' language?

For now i am at 9 disks:
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 14 plus one modules disk (28 - 35)..
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 15, 2021, 01:22:21 PM
I made a simple PDF (64 pgs) from the FAQ, might be easier to read on a phone?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: amigakit on May 15, 2021, 01:38:26 PM
A question for the OS3.2 volunteer developers, who presumably also have access  to the OS4 Repository:

FORMAT LONGNAMES (OS3.2)

In the OS4.x and Enhancer Software Format V54.1 and V46.11 (http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=Format) system command this is:

FORMAT LONGNAME (OS4 & Enhancer Software)


LIST GROUP (OS3.2)

In the OS4.x and Enhancer Software List V54.7 and V46.7 (http://wiki.amiga.org/index.php?title=List) system command this is:

LIST GROUPS (OS4 & Enhancer Software)

Is it better to keep things the same as much as possible across OS4 and OS3 ?

Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: cgutjahr on May 15, 2021, 03:28:31 PM
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Come on. Support your hobby, not nickel and dime it.
The people who created this update won't see any of that money.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on May 15, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
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Come on. Support your hobby, not nickel and dime it.
The people who created this update won't see any of that money.

The people who created this update wouldn't take any of that money.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nbache on May 15, 2021, 05:55:40 PM
Why is an EN or UK localization required? What is the 'internal' language?
The internal language of AmigaOS has always been US English. So unless that has changed with 3.2 (hopefully not, as that would create several messes around the place ;-)), it should still be.

Best regards,

Niels
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 15, 2021, 07:03:43 PM
I guess it would be difficult to see how compatibility would be with software that was made for 1.3, 2.0, and 3.1.
I have ADPro 2 and am wanting to buy other Pro. type software.

Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 15, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
Apparently a lot of 'switches' have been added to configure everything and avoid dealing with patches and hacks instead.
Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: F1Lupo on May 16, 2021, 03:38:23 AM
hmm I wondering why the OS3.2 devs chose to release it now as my understanding was that the law case between Hyperion and Cloanto is still ongoing??  Does this mean that thjngs are settled now and hence the release?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on May 16, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
hmm I wondering why the OS3.2 devs chose to release it now

They didn't, Hyperion did all the chosing.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Rotzloeffel on May 16, 2021, 08:38:54 AM
I just tried to figure how one would choose a minimal floppy installation:
Do i need disk 1 and disk 10?
Why is an EN or UK localization required? What is the 'internal' language?

For now i am at 9 disks:
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 14 plus one modules disk (28 - 35)..

for one language you need at least 14 Disks. The localization disks are for the included HELP-System by just pressing HELP you get infos and Help for the options in any language. This needs a seperate disk
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: SpeedGeek on May 16, 2021, 12:11:31 PM
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Come on. Support your hobby, not nickel and dime it.
The people who created this update won't see any of that money.

The people who created this update wouldn't take any of that money.

Don't worry. The lawyers will be happy to take this money. ;D
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: AndyFC on May 16, 2021, 12:19:22 PM
This is great news. I've placed my order first thing this morning with Retropassion for the CD and A1200 ROMs. I didn't notice the announcement until late last night otherwise I'd have ordered yesterday. (I was playing with MorphOS in my free time yesterday after getting a new graphics card.)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 16, 2021, 12:32:31 PM
Which other disks do i need? Are disks 1 and 10 both needed?

And as far as i understand the modules disk is only needed with an older ROM, isn't it?

I just tried to figure how one would choose a minimal floppy installation:
Do i need disk 1 and disk 10?
Why is an EN or UK localization required? What is the 'internal' language?

For now i am at 9 disks:
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 11, 14 plus one modules disk (28 - 35)..

for one language you need at least 14 Disks. The localization disks are for the included HELP-System by just pressing HELP you get infos and Help for the options in any language. This needs a seperate disk
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on May 16, 2021, 03:11:43 PM
They didn't, Hyperion did all the chosing.

With a feeling of wonder and amazement I can only comment: kolla is right about this one.  ;D
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Matt_H on May 16, 2021, 04:01:17 PM
And I haven't even had time to install 3.1.4 yet! It's a strange feeling when Amiga developments move faster than you! :D
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 16, 2021, 04:14:28 PM
Yep! You pass out on the sofa and wooops two years are gone.. :o
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Beast96GT on May 16, 2021, 06:07:15 PM
Is there any news about an upgrade fee for existing 3.1.4 users?

I think we can do both, support our hobby and ask about an upgrade.   8)   

I just bought 3.1.4. ROMS for my A1200 and A4000, plus I still need to buy for an A2500 and A3000 that are on 3.1 still.

There's a place in France called "Amedia" that lists an upgrade from 3.1.4. in a dropdown, but I'm not sure how it works.     Maybe Matthew from AmigaKit can set something up.   
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: QuikSanz on May 16, 2021, 08:03:38 PM
 I'll be getting this ASAP, hope the new CDFS version is as good as my missing AsimCDFS was.

Chris
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 17, 2021, 12:51:05 AM
Noob Question.

I Workbench.Library on disk?

I have 3.X on my A600 and I think it could make upgrading easier.
Is there a minimum of how much a Kick Start needs for booting? I believe so.

Also, if I wanted to go all-out and put everything in Ram for speed and upgrade ability, could it be done?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Pat the Cat on May 17, 2021, 12:56:38 AM
Theoretically. With the Load Module program, you can upgrade or downgrade any component to a "loaded from disk into RAM" capability.

Means slow booting times though. Even if you can get all the relevant modules in Load Module friendly format.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 17, 2021, 01:33:34 AM
I believe the opposite end of the spectrum is every thing in Rom or Kick Start.
If you have the Ram space either could be useful.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Steady on May 17, 2021, 01:52:12 AM
@TribbleSmasher

U.S. English is still the default language.

For that language and assuming you don't need a SuperKickstart, you would need the following floppies:

Install
Workbench
Extras
Classes
Fonts
Storage
GlowIcons (only if you are going to install GlowIcons)
DiskDoctor (not required but it is good to have this bootable disk on hand. It is much better than the original DiskDoctor)
Locale
MMULibs (if you have 68030 or higher and you don't already have the manufacturer's version of 680x0.library).
Backdrops

You will also need the modules disk for your machine ONLY IF YOU ARE NOT USING A 3.2 ROM.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 17, 2021, 08:46:49 AM
So, 7 disks then?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Steady on May 18, 2021, 01:28:32 AM
8. I included Backdrops because I couldn't remember if it was asked for regardless. In the FAQ it is also not listed as optional, so for that reason I recommend making an ADF of that too.

Update: I just checked. The install will ask for Backdrops so you'll need to write that out to floppy too if you want to install using real floppies.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: F1Lupo on May 18, 2021, 07:01:13 AM
for us Canadians https://retrorewind.ca/amigaos-3.2 (https://retrorewind.ca/amigaos-3.2) will be selling the CD & physical roms/disks too
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 18, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
Could one possibly skip the installation of the Backdrops disk?

Eve if not, we are still far away from the previously mentioned 14 Disks for a floppy install. Dunno where that came from...

Of course if you would order a disk set you want to have all disks for a system, including the modules.
8. I included Backdrops because I couldn't remember if it was asked for regardless. In the FAQ it is also not listed as optional, so for that reason I recommend making an ADF of that too.

Update: I just checked. The install will ask for Backdrops so you'll need to write that out to floppy too if you want to install using real floppies.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on May 18, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
I don't know if that helps, but installing 3.2 from a Gotek floppy drive took 15 minutes on a bare A3000. Every Amiga household should have an external Gotek nowadays. ;)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 19, 2021, 07:36:38 PM
Will 3.1.4 be discontinued?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: BozzerBigD on May 19, 2021, 10:03:15 PM
@TribbleSmasher

It's 2021! No one should be installing from floppy especially around 10 of them!  What is this a Monkey Island install ;D CD-Rom or Gotek drive surely is the way forward.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: QuikSanz on May 20, 2021, 12:26:25 AM
Not everything can install Big guy, still need floppy drive, have 2 new ones ready to replace any dead ones 8. How you going to boot from scratch?

Chris
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on May 20, 2021, 09:04:52 AM
Looks great so I bought it. :)

Does anyone have experience with https://www.retro-updates.com in The Netherlands?

I ordered the CD, two ROMs and 7 floppies last weekend, but got no confirmation email and they aren't replying to support messages from their "Contact us" page. Payment was taken from my card immediately.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 20, 2021, 11:55:34 AM
Me neither! :)
I'm going to write the 74MB iso to a small (re-)install partition on the CF card and install from there.
@TribbleSmasher
It's 2021! No one should be installing from floppy especially around 10 of them!  What is this a Monkey Island install ;D CD-Rom or Gotek drive surely is the way forward.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Lizard on May 20, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Looks great so I bought it. :)

Does anyone have experience with https://www.retro-updates.com in The Netherlands?

I ordered the CD, two ROMs and 7 floppies last weekend, but got no confirmation email and they aren't replying to support messages from their "Contact us" page. Payment was taken from my card immediately.
I ordered only the CD on the 16th and I did get a confirmation by email. Maybe in your spam folder?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on May 21, 2021, 10:49:11 AM
@Lizard

Yep it was in my spam box doh!

I look forward to receiving it. :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Lizard on May 21, 2021, 11:15:17 AM
@Lizard

Yep it was in my spam box doh!

I look forward to receiving it. :)
I just got a shipping notification from retro-updates, so hopefully it arrives tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on May 21, 2021, 02:43:48 PM
@Lizard

Yep it was in my spam box doh!

I look forward to receiving it. :)
I just got a shipping notification from retro-updates, so hopefully it arrives tomorrow. :)

Excellent. I've not received a shipping notification yet but hopefully soon.

Whereabouts in NL are you based? I'm in Den Haag.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Lizard on May 21, 2021, 02:53:15 PM
@Lizard

Yep it was in my spam box doh!

I look forward to receiving it. :)
I just got a shipping notification from retro-updates, so hopefully it arrives tomorrow. :)

Excellent. I've not received a shipping notification yet but hopefully soon.

Whereabouts in NL are you based? I'm in Den Haag.
At the other side of the country, In Arnhem.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on May 22, 2021, 03:56:17 PM
@Lizard

Yep it was in my spam box doh!

I look forward to receiving it. :)
I just got a shipping notification from retro-updates, so hopefully it arrives tomorrow. :)

Excellent. I've not received a shipping notification yet but hopefully soon.

Whereabouts in NL are you based? I'm in Den Haag.
At the other side of the country, In Arnhem.

A long way! :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: redfox on May 23, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
I purchased AmigaOS 3.2 CD plus a ROM for A2000.

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redfox
 8)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 25, 2021, 04:48:00 PM
The source code example on how to write a code highlighting plugin for the new texteditor class has been uploaded:
https://gitlab.com/boemann/texteditfiletypeplugins
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: F1Lupo on May 29, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
got my CD, roms and disks from retrorewind.ca late afternoon yesterday  ;D
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 29, 2021, 06:41:09 PM
Better get your CD now than never...
Amiga Corporation: Statement regarding commercial distribution of AmigaOS 3.2
http://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2021-05-00076-EN.html
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 30, 2021, 04:38:06 AM
So, you can get it for free?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on May 30, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
So, you can get it for free?

Looks like that’s what was agreed upon in January, but clearly not what has been communicated from the devs and their entourage.

On the other hand, after seeing quite a few videos on 3.2, I don’t see the appeal… I will just copy over a few bug fixed commands and new shell v47 (which hopefully fixes some annoying bugs) and let the rest be - too much pointless nonsense and cluttery.

And here I could start a long rant, but I will save that for later - one thing I will mention though - they have killed the Amiga tick - one can no longer tick off items in menus, as ticks are now replaced with dots (or boingballs?)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 30, 2021, 12:28:42 PM
And here I could start a long rant, but I will save that for later - one thing I will mention though - they have killed the Amiga tick - one can no longer tick off items in menus, as ticks are now replaced with dots (or boingballs?)
Not sure, what you are talking about. If you're refering to the 'checkmarks' in menus they are still there, maybe you have seen some theme-tweaking gone wrong or another distribution like AmiKit?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on May 30, 2021, 02:41:12 PM
And here I could start a long rant, but I will save that for later

Oh, please do and don’t disappoint! The devs have been saving popcorn for weeks just for that special occasion.  8)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: cgutjahr on May 30, 2021, 04:39:57 PM
So, you can get it for free?

Looks like that’s what was agreed upon in January
I don't know anything that's not in the news item, but that's not how I read this: "granting right to release" (i.e. commercial release) vs. "no objections" (free release).

Plus, Ben Hermans would have never agreed to something that would have taken all commercial value out of any further 3.x releases. It's not like he cares about the product...

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On the other hand, after seeing quite a few videos on 3.2, I don’t see the appeal… I will just copy over a few bug fixed commands and new shell v47 (which hopefully fixes some annoying bugs) and let the rest be - too much pointless nonsense and cluttery.
The GUI does look quite a lot better, 1992's Gadtools just doesn't cut it anymore IMHO - although I'm wondering how useful that is if you're using it on 1992 computers for retro purposes. But I'm not the target audience anyway.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: trekiej on May 30, 2021, 05:50:19 PM
Free...       free...        free, free, free...
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on May 31, 2021, 12:30:49 AM
@kolla:

Menu checkmarks have nothing to do with the Amiga tick; any resemblance between them is coincidental. Checkmarks are used for togglable menu items, and dots (not boing balls :-D ) are used for mutually exclusive items, which is pretty standard on most OSes.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 31, 2021, 05:23:14 PM
Quick note:
it seems that the serial-number is on the plastic wrap, so better keep the packaging or write it down somewhere. ;)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: number6 on May 31, 2021, 06:16:37 PM
Quick note:
it seems that the serial-number is on the plastic wrap, so better keep the packaging or write it down somewhere. ;)

Not a problem atm, since:
apparently you can't register it (https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4675)

#6
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on May 31, 2021, 06:18:27 PM
yet. ;)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on May 31, 2021, 11:54:07 PM
Menu checkmarks have nothing to do with the Amiga tick; any resemblance between them is coincidental.

That is simply not true, the paradigm here is a workbench, with drawers, tools, projects etc. and the notes hanging there with checkmarked items - that’s where the checkmark comes from in the first place.

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Checkmarks are used for togglable menu items, and dots (not boing balls :-D ) are used for mutually exclusive items, which is pretty standard on most OSes.

Well, ironically, macOS holds the tortch and keeps using checkmark ticks everywhere without anyone complaining or getting confused. I don’t know what your list of OSes is, but I suspect it is rather limited. Again mimicking Windows.

On that topic, how is max size of windows now? Still limited by screensize, because… Windows?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 01, 2021, 12:24:15 AM
I may just as well go on…

Workbench…
Wtf has been done to Windows menu? It looks crowded, but nothing is added or removed… just moved around, screwing around with muscle memory of users?
When is “open volume” needed as menu entry? The icon is right there on the workbench… (the only usecase I can think of is if volume is marked as “hidden” in workbench prefs, but then… I am almost betting on it not being available in the menu either.)
As someone who has been dynamically altering menus since workbench got an arexx port… dynamic menu entries are annoyingly slow… how is that list of volumes holding up with changes?

Does any of the possibly relevant menu entries relocate icons on Workbench to their original positions yet?

In IControl (Intuition prefs, really) it is still not possible to set a windows equivalent to the screen dragging hotkey… sad.

(time to go to bed)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Steady on June 01, 2021, 01:31:20 AM
The Open Volume menu item is handy when you want to open a volume but the screen is crowded with windows that you will need to move to get to the icons. It removes that pain. OS4 has it too and I personally find it handy to have.

Beyond Execute Command and About, there is not much muscle memory to worry about with the Workbench menu.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nbache on June 01, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
The Open Volume menu item is handy when you want to open a volume but the screen is crowded with windows that you will need to move to get to the icons. It removes that pain. OS4 has it too and I personally find it handy to have.
I second that. It is also handy when - as I do on my X1000 - you have 21 volumes visible on WB (out of my 93 total). Finding the right one in the submenu is often easier than hitting the right icon on the WB.

Best regards,

Niels
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on June 01, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
@kolla:

They are two different things: one is the menu equivalent of a checkbox, and the other is the menu equivalent of a radio button. So it makes sense to distinguish them, this is done not just by Windows but by OS4. There are plenty of bad interface designs in MacOS and no reason to blindly make the same mistakes. This is for Amigas not Macs.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 01, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
It is possible now to register OS3.2 at hyperion-entertainment.com.
It still says 'disk version' for the moment.
The download versions are coming later:
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Alternatively, you can wait until machine type specific versions of AmigaOS 3.2 will be offered as digital download once all orders for the AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM edition have been processed.

Quick note:
it seems that the serial-number is on the plastic wrap, so better keep the packaging or write it down somewhere. ;)

Not a problem atm, since:
apparently you can't register it (https://forum.hyperion-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4675)

#6
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 02, 2021, 01:51:33 AM
@kolla:

They are two different things: one is the menu equivalent of a checkbox, and the other is the menu equivalent of a radio button.  So it makes sense to distinguish them

No, it doesn't make much sense, noone ever struggled to distinguish these for more than 30 years - hopefully people can still READ!

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this is done not just by Windows but by OS4.

Unimpressive list when you say "most operating systems".

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There are plenty of bad interface designs in MacOS and no reason to blindly make the same mistakes.

Right, much better to blindly follow the mistakes done in Windows - the list is growing for every release.

And I ask again - is the max-window-size limitation still there in Intiution.library v47? You know, the limitation only found on Windows? Not even OS4 has this limitation...

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This is for Amigas not Macs.

You mean this is for Windows users who gets confused by the Amiga paradigm, and who rather see Amiga change into something more Windows-like? So you end up doing the same mistakes as just about every "linux desktop", instead of having a distinct UX for this platform, you end up with a sorry excuse for a "look-alike" that is neither one or the other. What's next - ctrl+c/v as shortcut for "copy" and "paste"?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 02, 2021, 08:27:14 AM
@kolla:

They are two different things: one is the menu equivalent of a checkbox, and the other is the menu equivalent of a radio button.  So it makes sense to distinguish them

No, it doesn't make much sense, noone ever struggled to distinguish these for more than 30 years - hopefully people can still READ!

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this is done not just by Windows but by OS4.

Unimpressive list when you say "most operating systems".

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There are plenty of bad interface designs in MacOS and no reason to blindly make the same mistakes.

Right, much better to blindly follow the mistakes done in Windows - the list is growing for every release.

And I ask again - is the max-window-size limitation still there in Intiution.library v47? You know, the limitation only found on Windows? Not even OS4 has this limitation...

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This is for Amigas not Macs.

You mean this is for Windows users who gets confused by the Amiga paradigm, and who rather see Amiga change into something more Windows-like? So you end up doing the same mistakes as just about every "linux desktop", instead of having a distinct UX for this platform, you end up with a sorry excuse for a "look-alike" that is neither one or the other. What's next - ctrl+c/v as shortcut for "copy" and "paste"?

You do know that Commodore's idea (93) to use checkmarks and bullets in the menu like that predates Windows 95 - so this is actually an original Amiga concept.

As for windows larger than screen I can only take it that you want to break every program out there that assumes this can happen. Like console and probably a lot of other programs. So while in you infinite wisdom you may think it should just be done, there are actually well thought out reasons why it would be a really bad idea. And in practice not that many people will even find it useful anyway.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on June 02, 2021, 11:00:35 AM
No, it doesn't make much sense, noone ever struggled to distinguish these for more than 30 years - hopefully people can still READ!

No, most people don't read manuals. Most developers had to learn this the hard way. :D

Things have progressed since 1985 - GUIs are supposed to be self-explaining, albeit this presents an ongoing and sometimes impossible challenge, given the technical restrictions. Radio buttons are a well established paradigm for mutual-exclusive choices in AmigaOS since 1990, so it makes sense to extend it to menus as well. The rest has been said.

C'mon, you must have detected more serious flaws. Even we did.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 02, 2021, 04:27:22 PM
Shouldn't be too hard to patch Intuition menus from #mximage back to #menucheck, and call this the
Kolla-patch. :P

Maybe MagicMenu is doin it already, who knows.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 04, 2021, 11:46:15 PM
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AmigaOS 3.2 Updated FAQ for all Classic Amigas available for download

CUSTOMERS ARE URGED TO RETRIEVE AMIGAOS 3.2 SERIAL NUMBER FROM SHRINK WRAP (PLASTIC FOIL) PRESENT AROUND THE AMIGAOS 3.2 CD-ROM.

As a service to our registered customers, the updated AmigaOS 3.2 FAQ covering all Classic Amigas (including Amiga CD 32 and Amiga CDTV) is available for registered customers in the download section of our website.

Please visit our website regularly to stay up to date about the release of future bonus content for AmigaOS 3.2 available to registered users of AmigaOS 3.2.

If you do not own a copy yet of the AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM, please contact your local dealer to order your copy!

...
The Hyperion Management Team
https://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/index.php/news
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Native Developer Kit for AmigaOS 3.2 (NDK 3.2 Release 2) available for immediate download
Brussels, June 4, 2021

Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to present a new updated Native Developer Kit for AmigaOS 3.2.

This NDK contains everything developers need to take advantage of all the new AmigaOS 3.2 features.

AmigaOS NDK 3.2 R2 is available for free from our download area for any interested party.

We thank all of you who have rushed Amiga dealers worldwide to get their hands on a copy of AmigaOS 3.2.

 

https://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/index.php/downloads?view=download&layout=form&file=122
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on June 05, 2021, 10:44:56 AM
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AmigaOS 3.2 Updated FAQ for all Classic Amigas available for download

CUSTOMERS ARE URGED TO RETRIEVE AMIGAOS 3.2 SERIAL NUMBER FROM SHRINK WRAP (PLASTIC FOIL) PRESENT AROUND THE AMIGAOS 3.2 CD-ROM.

As a service to our registered customers, the updated AmigaOS 3.2 FAQ covering all Classic Amigas (including Amiga CD 32 and Amiga CDTV) is available for registered customers in the download section of our website.

Please visit our website regularly to stay up to date about the release of future bonus content for AmigaOS 3.2 available to registered users of AmigaOS 3.2.

If you do not own a copy yet of the AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM, please contact your local dealer to order your copy!

...
The Hyperion Management Team
https://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/index.php/news

I registered my serial number and there is no AmigaOS 3.2 FAQ in the downloads area.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 05, 2021, 02:06:00 PM
Use
http://aminet.net/docs/help/AmigaOS_3.2-FAQ.txt
in this case.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 05, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
I made an AmigaGuide from the developers' releasenotes which were updated with the 3.2NDK, attached below, the file uncompressed at about 1MB in size.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: gertsy on June 06, 2021, 08:31:37 AM
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....What's next - ctrl+c/v as shortcut for "copy" and "paste"?

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: nicholas on June 06, 2021, 11:12:39 AM
Use
http://aminet.net/docs/help/AmigaOS_3.2-FAQ.txt
in this case.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 06, 2021, 03:04:10 PM

You do know that Commodore's idea (93) to use checkmarks and bullets in the menu like that predates Windows 95 - so this is actually an original Amiga concept.
Who said anything about Windows 95? Anyways OS 3.1 was released post 1993 without "radio buttons" in the menus.

(and personally I never saw the point of radio buttons, we have cycle menus (and cycle to menu) for that)

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As for windows larger than screen I can only take it that you want to break every program out there that assumes this can happen. Like console and probably a lot of other programs. So while in you infinite wisdom you may think it should just be done, there are actually well thought out reasons why it would be a really bad idea. And in practice not that many people will even find it useful anyway.

I suppose that is why it is working just fine in OS4?

Seriously - when I first complained about this, Thomas said it was due to the possibility to somehow "move" windows into a position where no gadgets would be available to move it back or resize - there was ZERO explaination to how this could possibly happen, but arguing against dogma is pointless. When pointing out that OS4 manages just fine and resize windows larger than screen without any trouble, the "clarification" was that OS4 has the option to resize windows from all directions - well, now OS3 has the same, and yet here we are. And now there is a new excuse "break every program out there" - excuse me, but wtf what? Why don't those programs break on OS4 then?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 06, 2021, 04:42:07 PM

You do know that Commodore's idea (93) to use checkmarks and bullets in the menu like that predates Windows 95 - so this is actually an original Amiga concept.
Who said anything about Windows 95? Anyways OS 3.1 was released post 1993 without "radio buttons" in the menus.

(and personally I never saw the point of radio buttons, we have cycle menus (and cycle to menu) for that)

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As for windows larger than screen I can only take it that you want to break every program out there that assumes this can happen. Like console and probably a lot of other programs. So while in you infinite wisdom you may think it should just be done, there are actually well thought out reasons why it would be a really bad idea. And in practice not that many people will even find it useful anyway.

I suppose that is why it is working just fine in OS4?

Seriously - when I first complained about this, Thomas said it was due to the possibility to somehow "move" windows into a position where no gadgets would be available to move it back or resize - there was ZERO explaination to how this could possibly happen, but arguing against dogma is pointless. When pointing out that OS4 manages just fine and resize windows larger than screen without any trouble, the "clarification" was that OS4 has the option to resize windows from all directions - well, now OS3 has the same, and yet here we are. And now there is a new excuse "break every program out there" - excuse me, but wtf what? Why don't those programs break on OS4 then?

Well 3.1 was a rushed job in the dying days of Commodore. So they didn't have time to do much of anything. But read the devcon notes from 93 and you will see the idea clearly described. I mentioned win95 as that is the first windows version that has this, so commodore clearly was first.

As for windows larger than screen I too didn't understand that reason about moving into a position where gadget would be unreachable, and resizable from all edges doesn't make a difference as i see it. But the reason that programs might break is certainly true for console, which allocates a buffer based on the screen assuming this is the largest buffer it hast to be prepared for. This can obviously be changed , but if console assumes this, then other programs may expect it too. Programs written for os4 are probably expected to be prepared for this - i don't know - i just know console will fail.

Now we have introduced some legacy compatibility options in 3.2 and limiting window size to screen could certainly be made a new compatibility option so in general windows could be made larger. Then we would "only" have to change intuition to handle this. The point is however that it is not a small thing, and none of us see any real value in it. I understand you do, but I have never seen any user using this on windows, so why would they on the amiga. It would just be a waste of time implementing and testing it. I would much rather spend our time on something that brings more value to users.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 06, 2021, 05:30:24 PM
The use case is quite obvious - you mention console, sometimes output (and for that matter, input) is longer than console window is wide - especially when workbench screen is 640 pixels wide, and that in particular is when I - ad hoc - wish to make the console window larger than screen. In general I don’t see the point in moving windows off screen if it’s not possible to make windows larger than screen.

So when do one wish for wider consoles?
When dealing with long filenames and file comments for example.

As for radio buttons - so Windows 95 was first version of Windows with what… “radio buttons” in the menus? And Win 3.x and earlier used what… checkmarks?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 06, 2021, 05:32:48 PM
So make the screen wider with Autoscroll enabled?

If only the window of the console is wider and offscreen, you couldn't read the text anyhow. What's the point in it?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 06, 2021, 05:35:28 PM
So make the screen wider with Autoscroll enabled?

Cannot be done without closing and reopening Workbench screen - the point here is that this is a need that pops up and the limitation is super annoying.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 06, 2021, 05:39:57 PM
But now you know it and it will never occur in your daily needs. :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 06, 2021, 05:57:59 PM
I do see your use case, but it seems to me to be a rather cumbersome solution, you would then have to move the window around. to see it

Dreaming out loud as we are - wouldn't it be better if the console had unlimited length lines and a horizontal scroll bar. It could be a mode you could turn on and off as your need arose
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 06, 2021, 11:39:24 PM
I do see your use case, but it seems to me to be a rather cumbersome solution, you would then have to move the window around. to see it

Of course it is a little cumbersome, but it is easier than just about anything else.

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Dreaming out loud as we are - wouldn't it be better if the console had unlimited length lines and a horizontal scroll bar. It could be a mode you could turn on and off as your need arose

How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Anyways, this (both vertical and horitzontal bars) already exists in ViNCEd, and you can even have it on first CLI if you use the Con-handler shin^hm (sic), just don't use the shim with 68000 (guru 8000 0003 if Workbench is loaded), at least not with 3.1.4 (no idea about 3.2, I don't have it, unsure if I will - depends on the license it ships with). But - scrolling text in console is a heck lot slower than flipping an oversized window back and forth. Then it's really better to find some font that is readable at sise 6 and use SetFont to set it ad-hoc.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 07, 2021, 07:22:05 AM
How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.

I said dreaming about horizontal. A vertical scroller is already being experimented with

And your are quoting me wrong. I said "every program out there that assumes this can't happen". My position has never been as dramatic as you suggest, but I don't believe making windows larger than screens is something worth wasting time on for the next many years if at all.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: NinjaCyborg on June 07, 2021, 08:47:24 AM
How about fixing a _vertical_ scroll bar first, probably much more sought after.

Btw, going from "I can only take it that you want to break every program out there" to "I don't know - i just know console will fail" is quite a ... step.

I said dreaming about horizontal. A vertical scroller is already being experimented with

And your are quoting me wrong. I said "every program out there that assumes this can't happen". My position has never been as dramatic as you suggest, but I don't believe making windows larger than screens is something worth wasting time on for the next many years if at all.

It's best not to feed the troll. He isn't debating the best approach, he's just picking fights because that's what he does.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 07, 2021, 05:58:02 PM
Well we are well of aware of Kolla's less than encouraging ways of putting things, but he also has a lot of really interesting things to say, that despite the way they are said is useful to us. So Kolla please do continue. We have stocked up on popcorn for 2 years now.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: redfox on June 12, 2021, 03:02:02 AM
Update...

Today (June 11), I received my package from Retro Rewind.

AmigaOS 3.2 CD-ROM and Kickstart 3.2 ROM

---
redfox :D

Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 14, 2021, 06:57:23 AM
just don't use the shim with 68000 (guru 8000 0003 if Workbench is loaded)
At last fixed in 3.100 or 42.100 or whatever he prefers… though it still prevents SetPatch from patching copyright notice, boot with 3.1.4 kickstart and 3.1.4.1 setpatch and Hyperion pwns 2019, load the ViNCEd Con-handler “shin”(sic) and Hyperion only pwnz 2018 again. Bug reported a very long time ago, but only triggered a rather irrelevant kneejerk rant from “Der Richter” and no fix. Perhaps whoever managed to convince him about the 68000 bug (kudos btw) could also pass this one on, it looks bad that Hyperion only pwnz 2018 when they should pwn 2019, just because of Con-handler. And who knows what else SetPatch may fail to patch due to this, I have not explored, and my asbesto suit is getting thin when it comes to reporting bugs.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 14, 2021, 07:50:12 AM
Some of us have grown VERY used to having icon.library coming from PeterK's IconLib 46.4 - with 3.1.4(.1) it works great still, but with 3.2 there are problems, the main one being due to version strings apparently. 3.2 uses 47 as major version for its icon.library, opposed to 3.1.4 which uses 45. To work around various trouble with AROS/AfA (from what I recall), the true color "TC020" variant of IconLib 46.4 is major version 51. The end result though, is that whatever in OS 3.2 that is loading icon.library (workbench.library v47 I presume) fails to load PeterK's icon.library if it is a 46.4.xxx variant, but still manages to load those that are 51.4.xxx, I suppose from the assumption that 46 <47 < 51 - so if your system is 020+ you can use for example the TC020 library, but if you're on 68000, you cannot use IconLib 46.4 anymore (unless you patch it to become for example 47.4.xxx instead of 46.4.xxx). Sad sad sad.

But why would anyone on a 68000 use IconLib 46.4 in the first place? Well, first and foremost - SPEED - on slow systems you can really tell the difference - maybe magic has been applied to icon.library v47 to make it super fast as well, but I doubt it. And secondly - all the "helper" programs - some for "cosmetics" others for work-arounds in both software and hardware. I have grown used to having outlines and shadows on my workbench icons, does at least 3.2 offer this?

I find it a bit strange that there seems to be NOTHING in the OS 3.2 FAQ about IconLib 46.4, as it this is a version of icon.library that has been more or less dominating for many years now, and included in the oh so perfectly legal 3.9 boingbags 3+4 of certain official OS 3.2 wingmen.

For sake of entertainment, I attach a screenshot showing shadowed icon text, the most awesome Amiga icon style, and also showing how Hyperion only pwnz 2018 when Con-handler is loaded (yes, version 106.2 - CLEARLY this little piece of software has been under development since the 70s to reach such a high major version!)

(oh, and there is bug or ...eh... feature challenges with "Prompt" - as you may tell from the screenshot, I use a multi-line prompt (which probably just works by pure coincident, and not by design), and the "bug" is that variable expansion in prompts only work on the first line. In the 3.2 FAQ, the word "prompt" is only mentioned once, and not at all in relation to the shell or C:Prompt, so whether this is known bug/feature or not, I cannot tell)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 14, 2021, 08:07:47 AM
I have grown used to having outlines and shadows on my workbench icons, does at least 3.2 offer this?

Yes you set it in font prefs
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 14, 2021, 08:14:40 AM
(oh, and there is bug or ...eh... feature challenges with "Prompt" - as you may tell from the screenshot, I use a multi-line prompt (which probably just works by pure coincident, and not by design), and the "bug" is that variable expansion in prompts only work on the first line. In the 3.2 FAQ, the word "prompt" is only mentioned once, and not at all in relation to the shell or C:Prompt, so whether this is known bug/feature or not, I cannot tell)

Thanks. I've entered it into our bug tracker - bug, feature or designed like that for reasons unknow to me - at least it should be examined
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: bubbob42 on June 14, 2021, 02:55:23 PM
it works great still, but with 3.2 there are problems,

We also do like Peter's library, that's why we kept him in the loop regarding upcoming changes long before release.

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To work around various trouble with AROS/AfA (from what I recall), the true color "TC020" variant of IconLib 46.4 is major version 51. The end result though, is that whatever in OS 3.2 that is loading icon.library (workbench.library v47 I presume) fails to load PeterK's icon.library if it is a 46.4.xxx variant, but still manages to load those that are 51.4.xxx, I suppose from the assumption that 46 <47 < 51 - so if your system is 020+ you can use for example the TC020 library, but if you're on 68000, you cannot use IconLib 46.4 anymore (unless you patch it to become for example 47.4.xxx instead of 46.4.xxx).

It was Peter's decision to keep his lib at V46 for tradition's sake. If you'd like to have a V47 or 68000 V51 variant, you'll have to ask him. The OS must request a V47+ icon.library due to API enhancements.

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Sad sad sad.

Would you like a handkerchief or something? Bears don't cry!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 14, 2021, 08:12:43 PM
If those APi changes is (the what… 4th? incarnation of) DefIcons, I don’t really care much about it (roll my own) and will just alter 46.4, I got the source. But others may vert well stumble on this awkwardness and so it should go into the FAQ.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: walterg74 on June 15, 2021, 06:42:46 AM
Ignorant question, is this only available as physical roms to install, or also digital for those that want to use for emulated Amigas?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: AndyFC on June 15, 2021, 07:30:14 AM
Ignorant question, is this only available as physical roms to install, or also digital for those that want to use for emulated Amigas?

The CD contains all the ROM files for the Amiga range.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Matt_H on June 15, 2021, 08:41:10 PM
Got my copy of 3.2 last week and have been playing with it in FS-UAE before deploying to one of my real systems. Enjoying it overall--there are some good QOL improvements. The inclusion of datatypes for modern image formats is important. I appreciate the return of comprehensive documentation and the integration into the system is very nicely done. The default DefIcons config and prefs tool is much easier to understand than the one shipped with 3.5/3.9--I feel much more comfortable editing this one without worrying that I'll break something. Thanks to the dev team--I hope we'll see more updates.

That being said, a few issues/notes: ;)
1. Gadget corruption in Pointer and Palette prefs. The FAQ says this is due to a CGX incompatibility, but I'm running on NTSC (with P96/Picasso96API.library 2.363 installed). See attached images.
2. Oops - GUI layout problems in RAWBInfo when NOWORDWRAP is enabled. See screenshot.
3. The advertised TOBACK_QUALIFIER feature of ClickToFront does not actually appear to be implemented. It's not included in the icon tooltypes nor mentioned in the help docs. Am I missing something?
4. I don't care for the thin, blinking cursor in texteditor.gadget. Would prefer to match the GadTools/CON: look as much as possible. Is this configurable through ENV variables?
5. Likewise, I'd also like to configure chooser.gadget to resemble a plain GadTools cycle gadget.
6. The Appearance Settings window in IControl prefs should probably have a Use or OK button instead of a close gadget.
7. Most windows now open directly under the mouse pointer. Is this configurable? I'd prefer to have them either centered on screen or in the upper left (below the titlebar) as in 3.1.
8. The Workbench prefs window is now too tall for a non-laced screen and autoscrolls. I realize screen real estate is an issue given all the window content, but could it be shortened by using 2 columns for the Icons group instead of 1?
9. Similarly, Palette prefs now uses an autoscrolling screen instead of a Show Sample button/window. This makes it harder to see changes in real-time. Could the choice of autoscrolling or button be made in a tooltype? And the Sample window resizable/scrollable so as to not block the controls?
10. Also in Palette, the presets Magic and Thin Menuborders appear to be identical: changing Menu Bright Edges between white and black seems to have no effect. Changing between other colors does have an effect.
11. Perhaps the new Auto-arrange Icons option should not snapshot everything after it executes? All the other icon arrangement options are temporary unless the user chooses to snapshot so it feels like this one should operate similarly. Or retitle it so it's clear from the outset that it will be performing a snapshot, e.g., "Arrange and Snapshot Icons".

Thanks again! Looking forward to exploring this new release further.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: boemann on June 16, 2021, 04:28:51 PM
Got my copy of 3.2 last week and have been playing with it in FS-UAE before deploying to one of my real systems. Enjoying it overall--there are some good QOL improvements. The inclusion of datatypes for modern image formats is important. I appreciate the return of comprehensive documentation and the integration into the system is very nicely done. The default DefIcons config and prefs tool is much easier to understand than the one shipped with 3.5/3.9--I feel much more comfortable editing this one without worrying that I'll break something. Thanks to the dev team--I hope we'll see more updates.

That being said, a few issues/notes: ;)
1. Gadget corruption in Pointer and Palette prefs. The FAQ says this is due to a CGX incompatibility, but I'm running on NTSC (with P96/Picasso96API.library 2.363 installed). See attached images.
2. Oops - GUI layout problems in RAWBInfo when NOWORDWRAP is enabled. See screenshot.
3. The advertised TOBACK_QUALIFIER feature of ClickToFront does not actually appear to be implemented. It's not included in the icon tooltypes nor mentioned in the help docs. Am I missing something?
4. I don't care for the thin, blinking cursor in texteditor.gadget. Would prefer to match the GadTools/CON: look as much as possible. Is this configurable through ENV variables?
5. Likewise, I'd also like to configure chooser.gadget to resemble a plain GadTools cycle gadget.
6. The Appearance Settings window in IControl prefs should probably have a Use or OK button instead of a close gadget.
7. Most windows now open directly under the mouse pointer. Is this configurable? I'd prefer to have them either centered on screen or in the upper left (below the titlebar) as in 3.1.
8. The Workbench prefs window is now too tall for a non-laced screen and autoscrolls. I realize screen real estate is an issue given all the window content, but could it be shortened by using 2 columns for the Icons group instead of 1?
9. Similarly, Palette prefs now uses an autoscrolling screen instead of a Show Sample button/window. This makes it harder to see changes in real-time. Could the choice of autoscrolling or button be made in a tooltype? And the Sample window resizable/scrollable so as to not block the controls?
10. Also in Palette, the presets Magic and Thin Menuborders appear to be identical: changing Menu Bright Edges between white and black seems to have no effect. Changing between other colors does have an effect.
11. Perhaps the new Auto-arrange Icons option should not snapshot everything after it executes? All the other icon arrangement options are temporary unless the user chooses to snapshot so it feels like this one should operate similarly. Or retitle it so it's clear from the outset that it will be performing a snapshot, e.g., "Arrange and Snapshot Icons".

Thanks again! Looking forward to exploring this new release further.


I'm glad you deficons. I tried my best to create some good categories and a prefs editor that would not scare everyone away. The hope is however to replace deficons with a new simpler system sometime in the future.

3) feature should work. Documentation is lacking - we will fix
4) afraid not as block cursor is reserved for insert mode (though that is not yet implemented)
6) agree
7) I'm not a fan either is all I can say

The rest is noted
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Matt_H on June 16, 2021, 06:04:58 PM
I'm glad you deficons. I tried my best to create some good categories and a prefs editor that would not scare everyone away. The hope is however to replace deficons with a new simpler system sometime in the future.

3) feature should work. Documentation is lacking - we will fix
4) afraid not as block cursor is reserved for insert mode (though that is not yet implemented)
6) agree
7) I'm not a fan either is all I can say

The rest is noted
Thanks for taking note of my comments. I'll have to play with ClickToFront some more (this could be an emulator keyboard handling issue on my end). I hope something can be done about the texteditor.gadget cursor--the inconsistency of text/string UI elements across the system is... unfortunate. Likewise about windows opening under the pointer. Those are my top two concerns for the moment (pretty good considering the overall complexity of the system, I think!).

The future of DefIcons sounds promising--hope to hear more about it soon. Keep up the good work. :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 17, 2021, 03:17:23 AM
the inconsistency of text/string UI elements across the system is... unfortunate.

I am not surprised by this ReAction.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: F0LLETT on June 17, 2021, 04:57:34 PM
Have to ask, is any one else having issues with dragging stuff off screen.
It works fine in 3.1.4, but Im unable to get it working with 3.2.

Also, surely you could have done a check to allow PeterK's library to work. May sound stupid, but its put me off setting up OS3.2.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: beller on June 17, 2021, 09:08:11 PM
Have to ask, is any one else having issues with dragging stuff off screen.
It works fine in 3.1.4, but Im unable to get it working with 3.2.

Also, surely you could have done a check to allow PeterK's library to work. May sound stupid, but its put me off setting up OS3.2.

No problems on either my A!200 or my 4000.  I just selected the option in iControl.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Steady on June 18, 2021, 01:43:14 AM
The off-screen dragging must be activated. It is not on by default.

Activate it by selecting the "Can move Off-screen" checkbox in the IControl preferences.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: F0LLETT on June 18, 2021, 09:36:43 AM
I see, I just thought it would be on by default.
With my 3.1.4 rom, its on by default.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: NinjaCyborg on June 18, 2021, 04:54:14 PM
It's not compatible with cybergfx so it's off by default.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 28, 2021, 01:25:08 PM
just don't use the shim with 68000 (guru 8000 0003 if Workbench is loaded)
At last fixed in 3.100 or 42.100 or whatever he prefers… though it still prevents SetPatch from patching copyright notice, boot with 3.1.4 kickstart and 3.1.4.1 setpatch and Hyperion pwns 2019, load the ViNCEd Con-handler “shin”(sic) and Hyperion only pwnz 2018 again. Bug reported a very long time ago, but only triggered a rather irrelevant kneejerk rant from “Der Richter” and no fix. Perhaps whoever managed to convince him about the 68000 bug (kudos btw) could also pass this one on, it looks bad that Hyperion only pwnz 2018 when they should pwn 2019, just because of Con-handler. And who knows what else SetPatch may fail to patch due to this, I have not explored, and my asbesto suit is getting thin when it comes to reporting bugs.
This problem also fixed now, in 3.101 or 42.101 - http://aminet.net/package/util/shell/ViNCEd

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Changes made for 3.101:

   ViNCEd now delays loading the icon and workbench libraries, and
   only opens them when they are already in memory. This avoids
   conflicts during early startup if only one of the libraries is replaced
   by LoadModule. While this is potentially a user error, it may be
   helpful to be conservative. ViNCEd now re-attempts to open the
   libraries as soon as the preferences become available, i.e. whenever
   ENV: is created and filled.

Yes - "potentially a user error" is to use the OS version actually released, and not "between releases" OS installed on hard drive of the developer - shame on me :)

Anyways, kudos again for acting as der Richter-Filter!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 28, 2021, 02:10:02 PM
No, it doesn't make much sense, noone ever struggled to distinguish these for more than 30 years - hopefully people can still READ!

No, most people don't read manuals. Most developers had to learn this the hard way. :D
What I meant was reading THE MENUS - hopefully no documentation should be needed to do that, heh.

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Things have progressed since 1985 - GUIs are supposed to be self-explaining, albeit this presents an ongoing and sometimes impossible challenge, given the technical restrictions. Radio buttons are a well established paradigm for mutual-exclusive choices in AmigaOS since 1990, so it makes sense to extend it to menus as well.

Not really, we had cycle gadgets and cycle-to-menu - those have been using checkmarks. What do they use now?

Radio buttons can die, they are mostly redundant and just take a lot of space.

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The rest has been said.

Are "hidden" volumes (wb prefs) possible to open via the "open volume" in Workbench menu? I haven't seen an answer to that.

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C'mon, you must have detected more serious flaws. Even we did.

I don't have 3.2, I comment from what I see people fumble around with on youtube videos. But I understand that shell is almost just as broken as it was with 3.1.4 again in regards to FailAt levels and whatnot... even ThoR isn't using OS 3.2 release shell? So the question is now - how will Amiga Shell be maintaned from here, and how will updates be published? I __VERY MUCH__ preferred it when Thomas lumped updates to Aminet.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: x303 on June 28, 2021, 11:14:13 PM

1. Gadget corruption in Pointer and Palette prefs. The FAQ says this is due to a CGX incompatibility, but I'm running on NTSC (with P96/Picasso96API.library 2.363 installed).

Try the TC020 version of icon.library found on aminet. This also makes any png icons you might have visible again.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: utri007 on June 28, 2021, 11:20:53 PM
OS3.9's unarchiver doesn't work with new Reaction. It gives guru when target is choosed.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 29, 2021, 12:00:00 AM
Try the TC020 version of icon.library found on aminet. This also makes any png icons you might have visible again.

What does icon.library have  to do with corruption of gadgets?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on June 29, 2021, 12:03:35 AM
OS3.9's unarchiver doesn't work with new Reaction. It gives guru when target is choosed.
Shocking. What guru? 8000 0003 again?
Have you tried upping the stack?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: QuikSanz on June 29, 2021, 12:22:58 AM
Maybe someone can make a new Reaction front end for XAD11.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Matt_H on June 29, 2021, 05:32:34 AM
Try the TC020 version of icon.library found on aminet. This also makes any png icons you might have visible again.

It’s a fresh install on a stock (emulated) 4000 with plain, 4-color icons. The only explanations for the gadget corruption are a 3.2 system bug or an FS-UAE emulation bug.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: x303 on June 29, 2021, 06:54:26 PM
Try the TC020 version of icon.library found on aminet. This also makes any png icons you might have visible again.

It’s a fresh install on a stock (emulated) 4000 with plain, 4-color icons. The only explanations for the gadget corruption are a 3.2 system bug or an FS-UAE emulation bug.

Could be, but over here opening pointer prefs gives a corrupt display on uaertg 1920*1080*32. Replacing the stock icon.library with the one from aminet solves this problem.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 30, 2021, 06:49:42 PM
The NDK got updated again today.
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Native Developer Kit for AmigaOS 3.2 (NDK 3.2 Release 3) available for immediate download
Brussels, July 30, 2021

Hyperion Entertainment is proud to announce another update for the Native Developer Kit for AmigaOS 3.2.

This NDK update contains further reviewed contents to ensure developers using several different compilers will be able to harness all the new features AmigaOS 3.2 brings.

This release also paves the way for a continued flow of updates to the Native Developer Kit for AmigaOS 3.2 which will also be accessible in other venues to pursue greater adoption and wider availability.

Hyperion is committed to AmigaOS development support, so stay tuned for further NDK updates!

AmigaOS NDK 3.2 R3 is available for free from our download area for any interested party.

We thank all of you who have rushed Amiga dealers worldwide to get their hands on a copy of AmigaOS 3.2.
If you want to support our efforts further, please head over to our AmigaOS merchandise store.
https://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/index.php/downloads?view=files&parent=40
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on June 30, 2021, 08:59:47 PM
Now that i am testing the new OS myself, at a first glance i find it very weird that the previous 3.1.4.1 installation doesn't even fully boot with just the new ROM installed. It even complains for not finding iconlib and workbenchlib. :o
And, it keeps asking for the workbenchlib like a hundred times, i wonder how that was implemented...user clicks Cancel just ask again and again, right?
How can one put logic into this?
If there is no (good)workbenchlib, system's keep booting into a limbo state (empty screen) and a user banging his head onto the desk (remember: we hit CANCEL multiple times as we are SURE there is such a lib on the harddrive)... >:(
The OS could instead nest the calls for the lib and break the booting at the best possible time and leave the user with a CONsole and an error message and a possibility to recover from this? Like, the OS3.2 ROM doesn't like the 3.1.4 ROM or the 3.1.4.1 workbenchlib and would offer a hint (a few bytes of text)?

i never experienced this behaviour before, you could always boot with just the new ROM installed. :P

More complains:
The installation with CDROM(image) is not as smooth as possible:
-boot from Install32 disk
- Click ActivateCDRom
it should open the CD after mounting it. In my case i get an error because it is already mounted! How is this an error?
Then, from the CD, which i opened by myself, i have to open the install drawer, to find toomany icons.
I click 'Starthere', but nothing happens, instead it tells me to dblclick the install disk (again!)... so i did. guess what happens? Nothing. The installation from CD did not start, i am looking at the same screen but now the CD is mounted.
Not smooth, not at all. 8)
I'd like to see  two more icons in the root of the CD: 'Install to HD' and 'Install new system', maybe even integrated into a simple chooser app. ;)

Once the CD is mounted (and we have some RAM of course) there is no excuse for not having a bigger installer, another RequestChoice, launch RexxMast or whatever. ;D

Why isn't the Locale&Input selector the first thing i see? A pretty one, of course, not the Prefs editor as it is now. Just glue those gadgets (that your already have in source!) )together in one LangSel tool and you are done, how hard can it be?

Locale prefs is not set to the country i chose the language for, instead it is U.S. and it doesn't point me to change it. Prefered language is not set, time zone neither. nothing is localised, i choosed two languages to install and none is prefered.
If i chose more than the internal language (eng u.s.) shouldn't there be an muex choice for my prefered language/country in the next installer page?
The RAM icon is 'wrong', ugly.
'Auto-arrange icons' from the tools menu also snapshots the positions without asking me?? Maybe i want to judge the result before keeping it?
There is still an Expansion drawer, what is this for?

No help support for several tools. You hit HELP key and nothing happens.
If you hit HELP and the app uses its own screen, the help guide is not popping to the front, it stays in the back, e.g. Workbench screen.
No version/build information in GUI tools/utilities even if they already have a menu built in. Could be in the window title tho, i mean cmon.
Workbenchs stack size is still 4kB?
Workbench prefs: 'hidden devices' do not indicate if there is actually a disk in the drives.
Icontrol prefs does funny things when you open up its async windows and clicking checkboxes and then just click Use in the farthest window...
DefaultIcons prefs is ... special.

There was no "Welcome" or "ThankYou" demo after a fresh install from CD. So much wasted space.. : ;D
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: chris on July 01, 2021, 05:24:22 PM
Why isn't the Locale&Input selector the first thing i see? A pretty one, of course, not the Prefs editor as it is now. Just glue those gadgets (that your already have in source!) )together in one LangSel tool and you are done, how hard can it be?

Locale prefs is not set to the country i chose the language for, instead it is U.S. and it doesn't point me to change it. Prefered language is not set, time zone neither. nothing is localised, i choosed two languages to install and none is prefered.
If i chose more than the internal language (eng u.s.) shouldn't there be an muex choice for my prefered language/country in the next installer page?

Yes; this got me.  I assumed that because I'd selected the British English install that my language would be set to British English.  In fact, I'd forgotten that this was even something that needed to be set.

In Locale Prefs there are no preferred languages, and HELP doesn't work because it is looking at the preferred languages list, which is empty (so default English), yet there are no English language help files installed, because I installed British English (I'd normally put both in the preferred languages as usually things don't come with a specific British English catalog).  It should set the preferred language to the one used for the install.  If the user wants to change it later, that's up to them, but the install should be set to the language the user installed.

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There is still an Expansion drawer, what is this for?

The same thing it has always been for?

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Workbenchs stack size is still 4kB?

Can be changed in WB prefs.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on July 01, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
@TribbleSmasher:

Language and country are two separate things and always have been.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: TribbleSmasher on July 17, 2021, 09:08:21 PM
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There is still an Expansion drawer, what is this for?
The same thing it has always been for?
There are still expansions initialising their drivers this way and OS3.2 is still supporting this and those expansions still work??
Really?
The only thing i've ever had in there was 'BuddhaSpeed', which is obsolete for, like, 10 years?
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Workbenchs stack size is still 4kB?
Can be changed in WB prefs.
Yeah, but as 3.2 requires more resources anyway, why not set this to e.g. 16kB default?
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on July 21, 2021, 11:51:51 PM

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Things have progressed since 1985 - GUIs are supposed to be self-explaining, albeit this presents an ongoing and sometimes impossible challenge, given the technical restrictions. Radio buttons are a well established paradigm for mutual-exclusive choices in AmigaOS since 1990, so it makes sense to extend it to menus as well.

Not really, we had cycle gadgets and cycle-to-menu - those have been using checkmarks. What do they use now?

Alas...
(http://amiga.kolla.no/radiobuttons.png)

Oh great - so checkmarks as ...heh... "radiobuttons" are removed in menus, but kept in cycle-to-menu, with flying colours, litereally, da effin lolz... consistency!

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Are "hidden" volumes (wb prefs) possible to open via the "open volume" in Workbench menu? I haven't seen an answer to that.

Still not answered as far as I can see.

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I don't have 3.2, I comment from what I see people fumble around with on youtube videos.

Like the above screenshot, thanks ....uhm... Bill!
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: hypnoia on July 22, 2021, 05:19:54 AM
Hey all, here's a question I haven't seen come up:  is AmigaOS 4.1 FE for classics compatible with the 3.2 Kickstart ROMs?  And by 'compatible' I just mean 'will not break if I install them.'
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on July 22, 2021, 12:20:53 PM
>Oh great - so checkmarks as ...heh... "radiobuttons" are removed in menus, but kept in cycle-to-menu, with flying colours, litereally, da effin lolz... consistency!

This has now been changed; chooser.gadget will be consistent with the rest of the OS.

>Are "hidden" volumes (wb prefs) possible to open via the "open volume" in Workbench menu?

No.

>is AmigaOS 4.1 FE for classics compatible with the 3.2 Kickstart ROMs?  And by 'compatible' I just mean 'will not break if I install them.'

Using an A4000 3.2 ROM instead of an A4000 3.1 ROM works fine for booting OS4.1FEu2 in WinUAE.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on July 23, 2021, 02:04:04 AM
>Oh great - so checkmarks as ...heh... "radiobuttons" are removed in menus, but kept in cycle-to-menu, with flying colours, litereally, da effin lolz... consistency!

This has now been changed; chooser.gadget will be consistent with the rest of the OS.

Really, haha, that’s funny - how about removing all “theming” and render Sys:Prefs/ReAction pointless while you’re at it, so all ReAction classes render to something consistent with the OS… rest of the OS.. hehe, I’m sure it would also shrink the code and remove bloat as well.

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>Are "hidden" volumes (wb prefs) possible to open via the "open volume" in Workbench menu?
No.
Right, though so. That’s one aspect of “hide volume” in Workbench prefs that I really don’t like, it goes too far. Typically it is used to remove clutter from the root desktop, but it also makes it impossible to open a Workbench window of the volume or any of its sub-drawers at all.

One more - in 3.2, do any of “Update all”, “Redraw all” or “Reset WB” move left out icons and volume icons back to their stored positions? I *really* think “Update all” should clean up the root window too, and not just volume and drawer windows.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: hypnoia on July 27, 2021, 06:23:46 PM
Hey all, here's a question I haven't seen come up:  is AmigaOS 4.1 FE for classics compatible with the 3.2 Kickstart ROMs?  And by 'compatible' I just mean 'will not break if I install them.'
After installing the 3.2 ROMs in my A3000, I have to say that the answer to this appears to be "no, 4.1 FE Classic will not boot with these ROMs".

At least, that's all the evidence I have at this point.  I'll have to get the 40.68's back in there until we have more testimonials.


Disregard.  You would think, after 31 years, that I'd have learned to be careful with the old girl when putting her back together again.

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5.Tiamat_SSD:> showconfig
PROCESSOR: 604e
EMULATED: CPU 68020/68881fpu
CUSTOM CHIPS: ECS NTSC Agnus (id=$0030), ECS Denise (id=$00FC)
VERSION: Kickstart version 54.30, Exec version 54.30, Disk version 53.18
LEGACY RAM: Node type $A, Attributes $703 (CHIP), at $3000-$1FFFFF (~2.0 meg)
ZORRO BOARDS:
 Board (Elbox Computer):   Prod=2206/161($89E/$A1)
     (@$40000000, size 256meg, subsize same)
 Board (Elbox Computer):   Prod=2206/33($89E/$21)
     (@$50000000, size 16meg, subsize same)
 Board (Individual Computers):   Prod=4626/100($1212/$64)
     (@$54000000, size 64meg, subsize 64K)
 RAM (E3B, Michael Boehmer):   Prod=3643/32($E3B/$20)
     (@$60000000, size 256meg, subsize autosized Mem)
PCI BOARDS:
Bus Device Funct. Manuf. Product Status
0x00 0x02 0x00 0x1002 0x5964 working
0x00 0x02 0x01 0x1002 0x5D44 working
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Steady on July 28, 2021, 02:34:05 AM
Right, though so. That’s one aspect of “hide volume” in Workbench prefs that I really don’t like, it goes too far. Typically it is used to remove clutter from the root desktop, but it also makes it impossible to open a Workbench window of the volume or any of its sub-drawers at all.

I disagree. It is not just about tidying up the Workbench screen, but also removing Volumes/Devices from being selected where it makes no sense to do so. To just remove it from the Workbench and not the menu would be incomplete.

And before you say it, yes, it should still be available from the CLI because that is a Workbench option, not system-wide.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on July 28, 2021, 07:36:28 AM
Workbench will not open a hidden window; this includes eg. requests from ARexx scripts to do so.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: walkero on July 28, 2021, 10:00:49 AM
@Steady
As an alternative thought, the way it works right now for some users might be useful, because it is a way to move any of the volumes to menu. Think that someone might want to not have any icon on his workbench and open a volume only from the menu. This way this is possible to be done.

I don't believe there is wrong or right way here, because it depends on how someone wants to use the system.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on July 29, 2021, 12:17:43 AM
I really don’t see the point of the “open volume” unless it can be used for “hidden” volumes.

So there’s now “win” command? That doesn’t make much sense, the name is flat out confusing, no reference to workbench and could just as well be the counterpart to a “loose” command. For decades we’ve had wbrun, why not use that? A simple rexx script will do.

@Minuous
Oh, and are really SURE that you can open a hidden volume or any of its drawers using this "win" command? I know for SURE that it certainly does NOT work using any CLI command (wbrun) or Workbench AREXX port on OS 3.1.4.1, so it would be fun to really have it confirmed, and also have it confirmed that same can now be done using RX "Address Workbench WINDOW 'Hidden:' OPEN"
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Mikhail on July 31, 2021, 03:47:05 PM
I really don’t see the point of the “open volume” unless it can be used for “hidden” volumes.
 

What if you have many windows opened that obstruct the volume icons ?
Then it is easier to open that volume via menu, so having an option is better than not.
As for the hidden volumes, that could be an extra option.
The must be a good reason why the volumes are hidden in the first place.
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: kolla on July 31, 2021, 04:42:57 PM
This is Amiga and Workbench, there are no good reason to clutter the screen with tons of windows in the first place, at least I never have this problem - bringing root to top is just a hotkey away. It would make more sense if it was more like macOS and the Workbench menu was _always_ there, even when other programs’ windows were active, but it’s not.

I can’t speak for others, but I never hide volumes, I only hide devices. For example on MIST I have both a fat95 SD0: and cachecdfs CD0: both scsi.device unit 1, and both mounted at boot - I use GhostBuster and its WB prefs and set both DS0: and CD0: to hide if not valid filesystem. Of course this feature is not in OS 3.2 because then users cannot format partitions, says ThoR. However, if I could hide ALL volumes and instead use arexx to open them rather than double clicking volume icons - I would! To be more precise, I would make icons on the desktop that would replace the volume icons, and havr them do much more than just open the drawers. Reminds me, on my wishlist is “triggers” for double clicking on workbench background and window backgrounds, with and without qualifiers, so one can configure double click on background to launch an arexx script, shift + double click to run a command etc. Same for windows, but with path to window being passed on as an argument.

The way Workbench works on 3.1.4.1, a hidden volume can not be opened AT ALL as a wb window, neither can any subdrawer, and left out icons are of course also not there. From previous comment by Minuous, this MAY have changed in OS 3.2, but I know better than to trust that :)
Title: Re: Amiga OS 3.2 released
Post by: Minuous on July 31, 2021, 11:14:57 PM
You are right, this behaviour hasn't changed for 3.2. Hidden WB windows are not openable via ARexx or similar methods.

I don't really see a problem with that though: if you wanted to use look at those devices/volumes in WB then you would not tell WB you wanted them hidden in the first place, logically.