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Operating System Specific Discussions => Amiga OS => Amiga OS 4.x (future) Hardware Compatibility Discussions => Topic started by: yakumo9275 on January 25, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
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I notice sams are out of stock everywhere. Any have updates on the 460ex??
I sold some junk on ebay now I'm like mmmm save up for a 460ex to play with or buy another upper receiver and build a new FN-FAL...
I had thought the 460ex was going to hit in january some time...
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testers have had their boards for a few months now so we should be expecting a press announcement soon hopefully. I know Hans has completed new pci-e drivers for AmigaOS4.1u2 & that's great news !
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I have a bunch of newegg parts lined up (sata card with correct chipset, radeon 4650 low profile, 2gb sodimm, sata hd, sata cd/dvd burner..) just doing the should I shouldnt I thing right now...
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I notice sams are out of stock everywhere. Any have updates on the 460ex??
I sold some junk on ebay now I'm like mmmm save up for a 460ex to play with or buy another upper receiver and build a new FN-FAL...
I had thought the 460ex was going to hit in january some time...
Ya know, that is interesting. People boast "I won't pay that money for outdated hardware. blah blah..." Yet, they are gone! Sold out, they could have made more money but there is not enough product for the demand. Maybe an over estimation.
Still, there appears to be some discrepancy in what Amiga users say they will pay and what they actually do.
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I can very truthfully say I have and will not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS
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Still, there appears to be some discrepancy in what Amiga users say they will pay and what they actually do.
I think its more that there is a number of loud mouthed non-amiga users (people that would never purchase a new amiga), then there us real Amiga users who put our money were our mouths are and buy Amiga products that meet our needs.
The questions I asked myself before purchasing my sam440 Amiga and OS4.1 was would it be faster than my existing Amiga solution and did the price seem fare for what I would be getting and the amount of use I would get out of it. I decided the answer was yes to both questions and made my purchase which I am still happy with today a few years later.
Is my sam440 as fast as my desktop PC I purchased at the same time? No but its completely silent and has seen a massive amount of use playing back my music while I read, work on my PC and do other stuff as well as running OS4 and other Amiga applications.
Yes I could get a cheaper mp3 player or just use my PC, but my sam440 boots much quicker and uses less power and does not generate the same background noise as my desktop PC, so as an Amiga user its a solution that works for me :-)
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I can very truthfully say I have and will not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS
Yeah, I'm looking at new parts for my Powermac. I already have a Soundblaster Llive, an Nec based 2.0 card, now I want to upgrade from a Radeon 9200 to a 9100 and add an SATA controller.
For the price of a bare SAM, I could buy two completely outfitted Mac.
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I can very truthfully say I have and will not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS
An equally valid solution to running Amiga software. I just don't like it when people say they are Amiga users but have no interest in supporting on going development by purchasing any of the products they ask to have developed.
If I did not have a sam440 already and had the money I would be thinking about buying a macmini and a morphos licenses instead.
Not because the macmini is faster but because you can no longer purchase the mini-itx version of the sam440 and all I wanted was a small fast Amiga solution to play my music and run current Amiga software faster than my BlizzardPPC A1200 tower and in my opinion MorphOS and OS4 both meet my needs equally well.
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If I wanted a macmini or powermac I'd get one. I've run morphos on efika. I'm not interested in another lowspec box with radeon9250 with 32mb memory when I can put a radeon hd 4650 1gb on the sam and run 2gb ram. macmini needs a better video card and it would be really sweet.
this is just for hobby, so if I was not gonna build a sam I'd be building a semi automatic rifle. shrugs, 99% of my time would still be spent on my quad core 16gb ram dev workstation.
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I'm not interested in another lowspec box with radeon9250 with 32mb memory when I can put a radeon hd 4650 1gb on the sam and run 2gb ram. macmini needs a better video card and it would be really sweet.
Interestingly this "low spec" mac mini is faster than SAM 460. Oh and it does 3D, too.
I have to agree that the 64MB VMEM models are preferable however.
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Interestingly this "low spec" mac mini is faster than SAM 460. Oh and it does 3D, too.
I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)
how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?
333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...
that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.
the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...
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I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)
how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?
333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...
that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.
the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...
You should post some numbers for real tasks on that sam, then we can start making comparisons. There's more to a CPU than GHz alone, and video cards also need drivers to use their features.
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I'd rather have a slightly slower cpu with more ram and better video card and more bandwidth. Its still a 1ghz ppc460 with fpu, just lacking altivec :)
Not only it is lower MHz, it's also slower per MHz. Even Pegasos2 G4 is faster than SAM 460, and that's before altivec, and Mac Mini G4 is considerable faster than Pegasos 2.
how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?
It's only limited by the amount of fast memory. Why are there such limitations in OS4 anyway?
333mhz DDR PC2700 vs 533 mhz DDR2 PC4200...
That's about the only thing where Sam460 is faster. However, it doesn't compensate for slow CPU performance.
that 'faster' mac mini has a lot of deficiencies vs the sam 460 board.
Quite the contrary. 460 has a lot of deficiencies over the Mac Mini with 7447. It's rather curious considering Mini is a lot older technology. I guess it's due to the fact that all these AMCC CPUs really are souped up PowerPC 440.
the sam460 fpu is no match for having altivec instructions tho...
Even without the altivec the 460 is already slower.
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I would buy a sam 460 if I could afford it. It would work mostly as a hobbyist machine nonetheless. It all depends on what you want to do with it. And yes, it is an expensive hobby!!
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@ JJ, Iggy, & Piru
yaya we know you MOS guys like playing with old Macs now come on guys give it a break would ya...geez :(
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yaya we know you MOS guys like playing with old Macs
Yeah and we know that you OS4 guys like playing with expensive and slow HW. ;)
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Im glad the Morph OS people are so excited about OS4 machines that they post in all the threads.
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People should be able to accept fair criticism without feeling harassed. If I was going to buy a 460 I would feel better if all the negatives/positives have been hammered out and their will be no surprises. If only PC hardware got this level of scrutiny.
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I just don't like it when people say they are Amiga users but have no interest in supporting on going development by purchasing any of the products they ask to have developed.
I dont know anyone asking for new hardware and even someone did it is not a promise to buy. Not everyone here is willing to throw sacks of dollars into a money pit.
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Love me some Sam. :-) It's my fun computer. I don't regret buying mine last year, and soon I will have two.
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If I wanted a macmini or powermac I'd get one. I've run morphos on efika. I'm not interested in another lowspec box with radeon9250 with 32mb memory when I can put a radeon hd 4650 1gb on the sam and run 2gb ram. macmini needs a better video card and it would be really sweet.
this is just for hobby, so if I was not gonna build a sam I'd be building a semi automatic rifle. shrugs, 99% of my time would still be spent on my quad core 16gb ram dev workstation.
Are there PCI version of the 4650? I wasn't aware there were. Or are you referring to the SAM460 with its X4 PCk-e slot. I haven't seen a 460 without a PCI video card yet.
Besides, my 1.8 Ghz 7447A will run circles around your SAM.
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and I imagine my crap off the shelf linux PC will outperform any morph machine without breaking a sweat.
Is this suddenly the late 90's again, where everything was about who have the biggest numbers on a piece of paper ?
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how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?
Well, a using 1680x1050 resolution and have the 64 MB version, but one is for sure: it's enough windows to have a big mess on your screen...
I.e. theoretically the 64 MB are a limitation, but practically you'll only pretty rarely run into these situations. Nevertheless I agree, the 32Mb are a bit little though. But the 1.5 GHz Mac minis are cheap these days (several times seen them going for ~180 EUR). Also enhanced display is not that big benefit in everyday usage IMHO. I disabled it on several screens.
Anyway, get a Powermac G4 and you have a wider choice for gfx cards.
About the RAM: usually my 1 GB is used for about 20-35% goes up to 50% sometimes and close to never exceeds 60%.
Btw.: Can OS4 address 2 GB RAM and 1 GB VRAM (like in your said 4650)?
Anyway, I think genrally the Sams are rather nice little maschines, but IMHO the price/perfomance ratio is prohibitive.
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and I imagine my crap off the shelf linux PC will outperform any morph machine without breaking a sweat.
Is this suddenly the late 90's again, where everything was about who have the biggest numbers on a piece of paper ?
No, it's not the specs on paper, but real life usage. MY 1.5 GHz is fast enough to let me do my everyday things. It is fats enough to do all internet things (think of youtube for example, but also about loading times on heavy pages like maps.google.* or ebay.*. On alow spec maschine these things aint big fun. What about hd video (I can replay 720p with a demanding codec) ? mp3 encoding? compiling? huge pdfs? euae? Hollywood (that one pretty demanding if you actually use it, my last project actually requires more than 1 GHz to run okay). For that I need juice!
I am happy the G4 1500 has enough power to do many things nicely, but I will probably get*an additional G5 once G5 maschines are supported. I see the contrast to low power everyday (also have an Efika which I use much). It is not that you cannot have fun with low power, too (I really like my Efika). But from my experience I can sum it up to a very short formula: the more juice, the better¹.
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¹ Of course that calculation is a bit blunt, you need to take power consumption, price, size and all these things into consideration. But as long as you sit in front of a monitor a fast system is always better than a slower one. I cannot imagine a single task that runs better on a slow maschine.
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Are there PCI version of the 4650? I wasn't aware there were. Or are you referring to the SAM460 with its X4 PCk-e slot. I haven't seen a 460 without a PCI video card yet.
yeah I am talking a pci-e 4650 on the 4x lane of the sam460
Besides, my 1.8 Ghz 7447A will run circles around your SAM.
yeah, have fun with that awesome radeon 9000. dont choke on that amazing 133mhz bus speed while your back there on the quicksilver.
(typing from my quadcore workstation with 16gb ram and 8tb disk).
I'd only go back to morphos when it has full G5 support with quad cpu and full 64bit VM for memory access. Otherwise I dont particuarly want a hand me down macintosh workstation. I have a workstation, I want something small, macmini is nice and small but I am not interested in a mac mini or I would have posted a thread on macmini's. Apparently posting a thread on sam460 was enough to rain on some morphos dudes parades.
right now I'd rather buy an upper receiver and finish building this than a macmini and morphos license
(http://i.imgur.com/5lWcX.jpg)
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No, it's not the specs on paper, but real life usage. MY 1.5 GHz is fast enough to let me do my everyday things. It is fats enough to do all internet things (think of youtube for example, but also about loading times on heavy pages like maps.google.* or ebay.*. On alow spec maschine these things aint big fun. What about hd video (I can replay 720p with a demanding codec) ? mp3 encoding? compiling? huge pdfs? euae? Hollywood (that one pretty demanding if you actually use it, my last project actually requires more than 1 GHz to run okay). For that I need juice!
I am happy the G4 1500 has enough power to do many things nicely, but I will probably get*an additional G5 once G5 maschines are supported. I see the contrast to low power everyday (also have an Efika which I use much). It is not that you cannot have fun with low power, too (I really like my Efika). But from my experience I can sum it up to a very short formula: the more juice, the better¹.
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¹ Of course that calculation is a bit blunt, you need to take power consumption, price, size and all these things into consideration. But as long as you sit in front of a monitor a fast system is always better than a slower one. I cannot imagine a single task that runs better on a slow maschine.
But then we're back to "why use any of this stuff, and not just use a modern PC?"
You'll never get the same "juice" out of old mac's that aren't produced anymore.
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yeah I am talking a pci-e 4650 on the 4x lane of the sam460
yeah, have fun with that awesome radeon 9000. dont choke on that amazing 133mhz bus speed while your back there on the quicksilver.
(typing from my quadcore workstation with 16gb ram and 8tb disk).
I'd only go back to morphos when it has full G5 support with quad cpu and full 64bit VM for memory access. Otherwise I dont particularly want a hand me down macintosh workstation. I have a workstation, I want something small, macmini is nice and small but I am not interested in a mac mini or I would have posted a thread on macmini's. Apparently posting a thread on sam460 was enough to rain on some morphos dudes parades.
right now I'd rather buy an upper receiver and finish building this than a macmini and morphos license
(http://i.imgur.com/5lWcX.jpg)
I'd be more worried about trying to run an X16 video card in an X4 skot (never mind the really slow processor in the SAM460).
Care to run comparative benchmarks?
By the way, what's the assault rifle? Lo0ks cool. I'm limited to my lowly Daewoo K2 with a third part stock.
Oh, and on Quad monsters I've got a FoxconnA79A-S with a quad core processor and four X16 PCI-e slots (OK they do operate at X8 when all are occupied, but I'm happy)..
Bet when MorphOS supports G5s and Radeon XT850 XTs , my system will still make yours look like a turtle.
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I'd be more worried about trying to run an X16 video card in an X4 skot (never mind the really slow processor in the SAM460).
Care to run comparative benchmarks?
maybe you should read the frigging thread from the begining, this thread would not exist if I already owned one to freaking benchmark. I do not own one, I have some money from selling some stuff on ebay, so I thought mmm maybe I could buy a sam 460ex motherboard.. thats a neat idea..
By the way, what's the assault rifle? Lo0ks cool. I'm limited to my lowly Daewoo K2 with a third part stock.
1954 Belgian FN-FAL.
Bet when MorphOS supports G5s and Radeon XT850 XTs , my system will still make yours look like a turtle.
Sure, and I even said, when MoS supports G5's and can use all 16gb ram, I'll be looking at it for sure with bells on! :)
I dont consider macmini video card adequate enough, I had a 128mb ram 9250 on my efika and that was fine with mos. but the common 32mb, no, and even the 64mb on 1.5ghz I dont consider good enough
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But then we're back to "why use any of this stuff, and not just use a modern PC?"
Easy: Because I can continue to use a computer system I am used to (MorphOS/Amiga) since 20+ years and that just follows my logic. And for these prerequesite I want the best I can get. Maybe it's debatable whether AROS or MorphOS rule here. AROS has the more powerful hw, MorphOS the more matured OS + apps.
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I dont consider macmini video card adequate enough, I had a 128mb ram 9250 on my efika and that was fine with mos. but the common 32mb, no, and even the 64mb on 1.5ghz I dont consider good enough
AFAIK OS4 can address 256 MB VRAM maximally. That's more than MorphOS (currently 128 MB VRAM max). And what about RAM: Is OS4 able to address more than 1.5 GB RAM?
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maybe you should read the frigging thread from the begining, this thread would not exist if I already owned one to freaking benchmark. I do not own one, I have some money from selling some stuff on ebay, so I thought mmm maybe I could buy a sam 460ex motherboard.. thats a neat idea..
1954 Belgian FN-FAL.
Sure, and I even said, when MoS supports G5's and can use all 16gb ram, I'll be looking at it for sure with bells on! :)
I dont consider macmini video card adequate enough, I had a 128mb ram 9250 on my efika and that was fine with mos. but the common 32mb, no, and even the 64mb on 1.5ghz I dont consider good enough
I've heard of the FN-FAL. Serious kick ass gun.You've got good taste. And yes the Mac Mini doesn't cut it, neither do the Acube boards, and the X1000's way over priced.
The G5s will be limited by the MorphOS development teams statement that the R400 series will be the highest graphic card to be supported for the time being.
Once PCI-e G5s are supported, hopefully we'll see something better. But I'm not giving up my X86 anytime some.
You should take this a little less seriously. Its a hobby dude and as far as I can tell that's all its likely to ever be. You're coming off as a little overwrought.
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Easy: Because I can continue to use a computer system I am used to (MorphOS/Amiga) since 20+ years and that just follows my logic. And for these prerequesite I want the best I can get. Maybe it's debatable whether AROS or MorphOS rule here. AROS has the more powerful hw, MorphOS the more matured OS + apps.
Fair enough. Once you qualify your statement, it makes sense.
In time, I imagine AROS will be the end result of all this stuff.
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You should take this a little less seriously. Its a hobby dude and as far as I can tell that's all its likely to ever be. You're coming off as a little overwrought.
Take your own advice dude. I started this thread about the SAM because I am interested in the sam460 and amigaos 4.1. You were the one to come in and crap all over it with your my powermac runs circles around sam
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Take your own advice dude. I started this thread about the SAM because I am interested in the sam460 and amigaos 4.1. You were the one to come in and crap all over it with your my powermac runs circles around sam
Well stated. I am happy with how well my system works, but I am also interested in the SAM. Currently on MorphZone there is a long standing thread on the SAM 460. And I'm really interested in the new processor series that Applied Micro (the manufacturer of the processors in the SAMs) is readying to replace Titan.
I wouldn't want to discourage you, or anyone else in the AOS4.1 market from taking the plunge. The more PPC users there are (regardless of OS camp) strengthen our total market. There is very little complication in porting between all three NG OS'. So, the more the merrier.
Good luck with your project.
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Yeah and we know that you OS4 guys like playing with expensive and slow HW. ;)
Oh my god, Piru did a funny , mark the date and time :) :)
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The only reason I Post about MorphOS is to point out the massive performance/cost benefit over AOS4.
Honeslty MorphOS is AOS in all but name. You people have to try it if AOS is your thing.
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how many windows can morphos do for composition/3d with a 32mb radeon 9250 vs a radeonhd 4650 1gb on my sam build amigaos 4.1 when your running a 1920x1200 screen?
AmigaOS 4 has no 3D driver for HD4650.
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AmigaOS 4 has no 3D driver for HD4650.
That is similar to MorphOS' situation with higher cards. When I recently decided to upgrade my Radeon 9200 I ordered a 9100 rather than a 9800XT for the same reason.
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I do believe Hans de Ruiter is working on composition/3d for the 4000 series currently. It is his dirver acube ship with sam460
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The only reason I Post about MorphOS is to point out the massive performance/cost benefit over AOS4.
Honeslty MorphOS is AOS in all but name. You people have to try it if AOS is your thing.
the only reason is the wrong reason in this thread because yakumo9275 specifically only asked about the Sam460ex. After the usual MOS suspects attacked & the OP, as well as others, told you to stop it & surprise surprise you guys are still at it.
Please create another thread about the virtues of MOS on old Macs and try to stop putting down other camps for a change.
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the only reason is the wrong reason in this thread because yakumo9275 specifically only asked about the Sam460ex. After the usual MOS suspects attacked & the OP, as well as others, told you to stop it & surprise surprise you guys are still at it.
Please create another thread about the virtues of MOS on old Macs and try to stop putting down other camps for a change.
Attacked? Funny that... I guess it depends on your perspective, maybe you could take a chill pill and read all posts in the thread again?
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@ Piru
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Originally Posted by klx300r (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=609048#post609048)
yaya we know you MOS guys like playing with old Macs
Yeah and we know that you OS4 guys like playing with expensive and slow HW. ;)"
well I guess these two statements sum things up pretty much eh:afro:
hey I've said it many times and I'll say it again, I've got great respect for the MOS devs cause back when things looked soo dark for AOS and no new hardwware was in site they kept the spirit of NG Amiga alive! I came sooo close to getting a Peg to run MOS on but then ACube came through with new hardware and the damn court case was over and I chose to support ACube & AOS.
Nothing wrong with either decision really so i don't get the hoopla:confused:
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Attacked? Funny that... I guess it depends on your perspective, maybe you could take a chill pill and read all posts in the thread again?
figure of speech...perhaps you should read all posts in the thread again?
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figure of speech...perhaps you should read all posts in the thread again?
You know I actually did before I wrote my post, just to see who did the derailing.
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You know I actually did before I wrote my post, just to see who did the derailing.
very good now I wonder what purpose do posts no 5 and 7 serve in this thread, not to mention others ? hmmm
post no 5, JJ wrote:
"I can very truthfully say I have and will not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS"
post no 7, Dwyloc wrote:
"Yeah, I'm looking at new parts for my Powermac. I already have a Soundblaster Llive, an Nec based 2.0 card, now I want to upgrade from a Radeon 9200 to a 9100 and add an SATA controller.
For the price of a bare SAM, I could buy two completely outfitted Mac. "
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I do believe Hans de Ruiter is working on composition/3d for the 4000 series currently. It is his dirver acube ship with sam460
Hans says he is not working on 3D for any of the cards.
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@klx300r
So... factual (perhaps off topic) information hurts, so that makes it ok to lash out?
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@klx300r
So... factual (perhaps off topic) information hurts, so that makes it ok to lash out?
thanks for proving my point & bad answer..& 'lash out':lol:...wow
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Hans says he is not working on 3D for any of the cards.
from his website;
While the current drivers (as on Saturday 15 January, 2011) lack compositing support for Radeon HD 2000-4000 series cards; this will not remain so for long. When I started writing the drivers my goal was to bring support for modern graphics cards complete with shader support to the Amiga, and it will happen. There are no release dates yet, but it is coming
So one could infer that he is working on the composition side (what I meant, when I said 3D, I should have said composition, my bad).
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very good now I wonder what purpose do posts no 5 and 7 serve in this thread, not to mention others ? hmmm
post no 5, JJ wrote:
"I can very truthfully say I have and will not pay that sort of money for a Sam board when for a fraction of the cost I can and have got a mac mini which is more powerful (not as expandable I admit) and run a better next gen AmigaOS in the form of MorphOS"
post no 7, Dwyloc wrote:
"Yeah, I'm looking at new parts for my Powermac. I already have a Soundblaster Llive, an Nec based 2.0 card, now I want to upgrade from a Radeon 9200 to a 9100 and add an SATA controller.
For the price of a bare SAM, I could buy two completely outfitted Mac. "
I'm sorry the truth hurts. But Acube boards are both overpriced and underpowered.
That said, they are the only game in town for AOS4 and I don't want to discourage interest in that OS.
Since when does any one party decide who can contribute?
I notice you failed to mention the post where I mentioned the long standing thread on MorphZone about the SAM460.
It's not that we're intent on denigrating Acube products. its just a matter of comparison.
Frankly I' like to see Acube pick uo the new .PPC465. That looks really promising.
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I think its more that there is a number of loud mouthed non-amiga users (people that would never purchase a new amiga), then there us real Amiga users who put our money were our mouths are and buy Amiga products that meet our needs.
The questions I asked myself before purchasing my sam440 Amiga and OS4.1 was would it be faster than my existing Amiga solution and did the price seem fare for what I would be getting and the amount of use I would get out of it. I decided the answer was yes to both questions and made my purchase which I am still happy with today a few years later.
My reaction to the Sams at first was all good. I just wish they were more reasonable in price. With OS4, well uh - working, they could have grabbed a much larger audience. Instead, they price themselves away from a whole other layer of consumers, oh well, sure it has all been said before around here.
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@ Iggy;609321]I'm sorry the truth hurts. But Acube boards are both overpriced and underpowered.
That said, they are the only game in town for AOS4 and I don't want to discourage interest in that OS.
Since when does any one party decide who can contribute?
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man you guys just don't give up eh. Please contribute on a thread that wants you to compare about old Macs running MOS and new Sams running OS4.1!
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I don't think Hyperion will release OS4 for the SAM460 until the X1000 is released, or at least is a lot closer to being released than it is now. Why risk losing sales on a high dollar system to people who would be just as happy with the 460?
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@ Iggy;609321]I'm sorry the truth hurts. But Acube boards are both overpriced and underpowered.
That said, they are the only game in town for AOS4 and I don't want to discourage interest in that OS.
Since when does any one party decide who can contribute?
man you guys just don't give up eh. Please contribute on a thread that wants you to compare about old Macs running MOS and new Sams running OS4.1![/QUOTE]
Can we get back to the TOPIC which was (For those of you distracted by your own thoughts) The SAMs... This thread was started specifically about the SAM and nowhere did the creator ask for opinions RE: other options.
We all have our opinions about which option(s) are better or worse, but they have all been hashed out AD NAUSEUM for friggin YEARS. Can we please stay on the topic the man wants to talk about? And if the other camps feel an absolute need to explain their position yet again please start another thread about Morph OS... Or Aros... Or whatever..
All this constant back-biting gets friggin old real fast..
(and just for the record I am an old-time Amiga fan that sees the value in all of these options... I may not necessarily agree with all of the opinions, but I can see where folks are coming from and guess what? In most cases their arguments are valid from the perspective that they are coming from. Problem is that everyone has their own perspective.. So please RESPECT the opinions and perspective of the guy that started the thread and refrain from the camp wars...)
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I don't think Hyperion will release OS4 for the SAM460 until the X1000 is released, or at least is a lot closer to being released than it is now. Why risk losing sales on a high dollar system to people who would be just as happy with the 460?
Don't know if this is true, but in my own case if the Sam460 is available soon and the X1000 is available at some far-off, unknown date, I know I will buy a Sam460 sooner. Later, if I get an X1000, I would either keep the Sam460 or sell it (or my Sam440, or both) to help raise money for the Aeon machine.
However, if both machines hit the market near the same time, I will choose one or the other. Maybe I would decide the Sam460 is good enough for me and not make the big X1000 investment. Or maybe decide I just have to have the biggest, baddest, fastest AOS4 machine ever and put all my resources into an X1000 purchase.
Meanwhile, I am enjoying my Sam440 machine quite a bit so am at a place where I can be patient as I ponder my next foolish outlay in cash for this hobby.
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@ Iggy;609321]I'm sorry the truth hurts. But Acube boards are both overpriced and underpowered.
That said, they are the only game in town for AOS4 and I don't want to discourage interest in that OS.
Since when does any one party decide who can contribute?
man you guys just don't give up eh. Please contribute on a thread that wants you to compare about old Macs running MOS and new Sams running OS4.1![/QUOTE]
Cool! Because while you don't seem to realize it I actually pretty fond of Acube. Like I said, if they pick up the 465 then they'll have an extremely competitive processor. And new hardwatre is definately to be desired over used hardware.
Sooner or later the supply of reliable Mac is going to dry up and I'm hoping to see new boards based on Applied Micros 465 and Freescales 5500 cored processors.
And thee is no real dispute between AOS4 and MorphOS. They're very similar products that make cross porting a breeze. Hey, with a wraper I can run some AOS4 software.
If you really are thinking about a Sam460, go for it.
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the only reason is the wrong reason in this thread because yakumo9275 specifically only asked about the Sam460ex. After the usual MOS suspects attacked & the OP, as well as others, told you to stop it & surprise surprise you guys are still at it.
Please create another thread about the virtues of MOS on old Macs and try to stop putting down other camps for a change.
I think if you read my original post I was replying to the accusation that amiga users, depsite what they say, are willing to overspend on hardare.
I was pointing out that I don't. I for a long time was in neither camp to be honest until I tried MorphOS, and now I cant understand blindly following a name on expensive hardware especially as MorphOS , in my opinion, and in benchmarks is a better OS than AOS4.
To stay on topic, I can't adivse you to buy sam :)
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So one could infer that he is working on the composition side (what I meant, when I said 3D, I should have said composition, my bad).
It's surprising how many people get compositing mixed up with 3D. That's probably the case because only 3D graphics cards are capable of doing compositing.
Anyway, 3D support is also coming. Yes, I am involved with the 3D stuff too.
Hans
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@ Piru
bit late but thanks for starting another thread instead of hi-jacking this one
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@ Piru
bit late but thanks for starting another thread instead of hi-jacking this one
Are you going to get a SAM460? I'd love to see some tests run on that.
Basically, the 460EX is a 440 core with an FPU that clocks up to 1.15 Ghz. Its one of Applied Micro's nicer processors. While other 460s may support more PCI-e lanes or a slightly higher speed, they don't all have an FPU. It's a definite improvement over the SAM440.
I also like the 464EX based APM82181, lthough it only has 1 PCI-e lane and is slightly slower (1 Ghz).
And the new Packet ProAPM86190 really looks interesting with its 465 core clocked at uo to 1.5 Ghz.
Let us know what you decide and how things work out.
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doesnt the 460 also have more cache which is what gives it a vast improvement over the 440?
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Are you going to get a SAM460? I'd love to see some tests run on that...
Let us know what you decide and how things work out.
I'd love to get a Sam460 but I'm so happy with my Samflex440@800 that right now I can't bear to sell it:)...maybe the next Sam board or X1000 might get me to upgrade who knows;)
btw, Hans and other testers have the 460 right now so perhaps they can post some tests here for us all
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probably under NDA
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btw, Hans and other testers have the 460 right now so perhaps they can post some tests here for us all
IIRC, the RAM and VRAM speed tests have already been posted in this thread. We don't actually have any other benchmark programs that I know of. However, the OGR and RC5-72 dnetc results for a slightly underclocked Sam 460ex were posted over on AW.net here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32858&forum=33#591840).
Hans