Enter The Dragon In October

[Animagic]

framiga: Exactly the same thing I was thinking.

I hope Dragon will be available soon  :-)

[Jose]

Well, they failed in the deadline they proposed themselves but if they depend on others suppling components I guess it's not entirely their fault. I don't understand why releasing the Dragon in the first place though. 68k is dead, long live PPC.

[Rob]

>I don't understand why releasing the Dragon in the first place though.

People have been discussing Coldfire for the Amiga for quite a number of years and a few projects have even been started in the past. Elbox have responded to this interest by designing the Dragon.

There are a lot of 68k apps that require the Amiga chipsets to work that would greatly benefit from the increased speed offered by Coldfire.

The Dragon is there to do what OS4 and MorphOS can't do and what UAE can't do fast. This may be of great use to certain enthusiasts and professionals who use their Amigas for specific jobs.

[adonay]

well i hope it will be out soon i would like to test it out only i have to get a new gfx for it then would be cool with ATI9700 gfx on an amiga and hey you have bigger bussspeeds now with the coldfire.It is quite possible that game ports such as quake2 would run better on the dragon than the g-rex\mediator\prop even with a ppc such as the 604 233 and a voodoo card

and hey i dont feel like i have to use either os4 or morph os i think you can still do a great deal more with the os3.9


adonay :-D

[rayt]

The Dragon is there to do what OS4 and MorphOS can't do and what UAE can't do fast.

Hmm I doubt it will be faster than uae on a ~3ghz x86 with jit enabled.. especially because the coldfire doesnt even have an fpu (iirc, correct me if im wrong)..

[dammy]

Hmm I doubt it will be faster than uae on a ~3ghz x86 with jit enabled.. especially because the coldfire doesnt even have an fpu (iirc, correct me if im wrong)..

Even more so with Dual Core AMD64 pricing levels are becoming affordable.  I look forward to the days of sub $200 for one of these dual cores.

Dammy

[Lemmink]

1. I`d like to see it exists

2. I`d like to see it installed in an A1200 actually running AmigaOS 3.9

3. I`d like to see it deliver a higher overall speed then an 68060

If these requirements are met, we can discuss on.

[Coolit]

They say it will run several times faster than the fastest 060  :-o

[XDelusion]

One thing to consider, actually two:

A. Emulation never quite feels like the real things, no matter how fast it is.

B: Under emulation you are forced to run your emu on top of some bloated exuse for an OS like Winblows, or any Linux distro running X.

[Lemmink]

> They say it will run several times faster than the fastest 060

Of course the coldfire itself is several times faster then an 68060, but that is true for an old Pentium MMX 200 MHz too. Question is: will Amigasoftware run faster on it. For the Pentium MMX 200 the answer is no. For the coldfire we'll have to wait and see, though I have some strong doubts. I would call it a good piece of engeneering if it runs at all and doesn't top off the incompatibility of the 68060 more then double time.

[Coolit]

I see your point and would like to think Elbox wont put out a product that's the same "real life" speed or less stable than a 10+ year old product.

There should be benefits in quite a few areas, video work, CD/DVD burning, even surfing the net, but it wont be needed for old games and the like which lets be honest is probably one of the biggest pulls for the Amiga and makes you ask do we need it? I guess at this stage any development for the Amiga is great though!

Personally I’m going to wait for the Shark and get one of those as it will add so much more than the Dragon in my opinion.

[CLS2086]

Hi,
it seems that its price would be around 500E !

A BPPC+ GREX+V3 or BVision cost about half of that...
ATi Radeon highier than 9250SE heavily use the DMA feature, which cause problems in Pegasos1 and AmigaONE.
The ColdFire is close to a 68010 with a DSP with no FPU.
It will be less compatible than a normal 040/060, but faster for "system friendly apps".

But in this case, it might be faster to use a BPPC with MOS or OS4. And if you use a Bvision, you can keep your Commodore desktop case.

Wait and See !

Colfire@266 SHOULD give UP TO 410 Mips
PPC603e+@240 give around 300 Mips...
68060@50 give around 66 Mips...
68000@7.14 give around 0.98 Mips  :lol:

[Xand]

The ColdFire is close to a 68010 with a DSP with no FPU

From Freescale's site:
V4e ColdFire core with MMU, dual precision FPU and EMAC

[Comi]

One year is past!
Still no fire from Dragon ...
and no news from  september about enything..