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Offline X-ray

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2005, 01:23:11 PM »
If I was Ian I would simply take the driver out and make a note that the author complained about it being on the website. The site users could then draw their own conclusions about whether the author of the driver is being too anal or not (I don't know what the driver is and whether the hardware it applies to is for sale today)

It really is a pity that things like this happen. A lot of people contributed to that site and Ian has done a great job all along. It even encouraged me to make a few contributions, one of them just last week!
I hope the site comes back up and authors realise that this information is valuable to a community that has seen its support channels dwindle into almost nothingness over the years. If it wasn't for Amiga.org and BBOAH (and one or two other sites) I wouldn't have kept my Amiga and I wouldn't have bought the hardware I have acquired over the last year.
 

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2005, 01:31:16 PM »
Let's start a petition to make sure it comes back :-)

tBBoAHW is a fantastic resource that shouldn't be lost over driver issues.

If there's a complaint about the driver(s) the simple solution would be to stop making them avaliable.  Which would possibly take sometime to remove the files and links etc.
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2005, 01:52:28 PM »
Blimey, what terrible news.  

Is there any way of contacting Ian?  I have a suggestion for how the site could continue to operate without getting into legal trouble which hopefully would also mean minimum effort on the part of the web master.
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2005, 02:30:06 PM »
Would want to know who was the ome that complained about such a stupidity and made the site go down.
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2005, 02:36:46 PM »
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The site has been taken down because I received a copyright violation notice from the author of a driver.

That's pathetic. Surely drivers can only be used by people who own the hardware for which they are designed, which entitles them to use the driver anyway.

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That's true.  The only exception to that, that I can think of, is Elbox - who ask you to pay for drivers after you already purchased the hardware.

But whoever the complainant is, they should realise that by doing what they've done all they have succeeded in doing is p*** off a large proportion of their customers, and for what gain?
 

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2005, 02:36:48 PM »
What the... since WHEN are drivers illegal to download? Since WHEN is providing drivers to download a Copyright Infringment?
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2005, 02:57:08 PM »
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motorollin wrote:
That's pathetic. Surely drivers can only be used by people who own the hardware for which they are designed, which entitles them to use the driver anyway.

The only exception to that, that I can think of, is Elbox - who ask you to pay for drivers after you already purchased the hardware.

Really? I got drivers with my Mediator and updates were free as long as I registered.

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But whoever the complainant is, they should realise that by doing what they've done all they have succeeded in doing is p*** off a large proportion of their customers, and for what gain?

If the person's identity is ever revealed, they won't be popular...

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2005, 04:05:03 PM »
Sigh :(.

Oh well, there's still the Amiga Hardware Database. Any bets on how long it'll take before they receive the same complaint?

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2005, 04:13:55 PM »
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What the... since WHEN are drivers illegal to download? Since WHEN is providing drivers to download a Copyright Infringment?

If you have to pay for drivers, or the drivers are actually made by someone either for non-profit (just paying for the resource) or profit.

Generally - if the person who wrote the drivers didn't put it in the public domain then it's illegal to make said drivers avaliable unless you've got an agreement with the author.

It's a bit crap, but if the drivers are not meant to be in the public domain then there's nothing really we can do about those drivers.
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2005, 04:28:27 PM »
I don't doubt the legal situation, i.e. the author was entitled to impose copyright restrictions on his/her software. But it's a bit sad really - the author should have been flattered that his driver was considered worthy of inclusion.

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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2005, 05:04:20 PM »
If the author is going to be a anal ass about having the driver on there, then they need to provide support for the 20 year old hardware device!!!

Purely insane that this happened.  Some people never cease to amaze me...
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2005, 05:14:50 PM »
I'm assuming that the complainer had a very good reason to make the request, or didn't realise the implications of what they were complaining about.

If it was networking drivers, or a CD-ROM driver, or ... then I can see why they would complain as people are still trying to sell the software to make devices work.

Rather than getting all "let's get the pitchforks and flaming torches and hunt the monster", I think the community should be trying to help Ian provide the resource that he did but without the risk of infringing someone's copyright.

If anyone knows how to contact Ian, please let me know :D
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2005, 05:31:44 PM »
I just got a mail back from Ian :
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>        I don´t know how many mails you have received already
> about the subject but there´s panic going on at several
> forums. Can you give a comment to this to assure the scene
> it will be up soon ?? Is there any way people can help ??
> Is money an issue ?? Can you add "Add a donation for this board"
> function to solve some problems ???
 
Thanks for your concern Frank, luckily it's not a money related issue. The site is down so I can review the contents and remove
anything that might cause this to happen in the future. Hopefully then I can bring it back up.
 
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2005, 05:56:53 PM »
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If the person's identity is ever revealed, they won't be popular...


Why? Ian said that it was his own decision to take down the site for a while.

I hope the site does come back, I've found it damn useful over the years, so a big thanks to Ian and all the contributors. :pint:
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2005, 06:16:48 PM »
I love that site! Its one of my firefox bookmarks that I actually have a button for!

Oh, and I agree with the 'pitchforks' comment. Drawing conclusions when you don't know what happened is a bit hasty...
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Re: "http://www.amiga-hardware.com" is Down??
« Reply #29 from previous page: December 16, 2005, 04:40:06 AM »
I agree with Cyberus, I love amiga-hardware.com I use it on a regular basis to read up on old school Amiga hardware, and such.  :banana:
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