UAE for MorphOS

[ptek]

@Paradox,

I really don't think Piru is being stupid, "au contraire". He is making a lot of sense, as always.  He's wise and says what he thinks, sometimes in a direct way.

Anyway, looking at your profile we can be assured that soon you're going to prove that we are all wrong about the efika.

[Paradox]

the proof is in the videos....

Its goto be possible

[Piru]

@Paradox

I suggest you try it yourself before making any more comments about this.

[rzookol]

without emulating sound Efika could run most of the a500 games

[Tomas]

The GP2X hendehld has UAE with only 64MB ram 200mhz cpu and sd card. has small Linux OS..!GP2X

It runs great!

No it does not! It does not even run at a500 speed with sound emulation turned on. And mhz is not everything anyways... my old k6-2 450mhz was for example ALOT slower than even a pII 300mhz.

If MorphOS is real light then should be perfect...

UAE needs pure cpu perfomance and it does not matter much wether you run windows, linux or morphos providing that you urn the same version of uae on all platforms.

[Amiga1200PPC]

The only one, who insists on being stupid here seems to be Paradox.

[Paradox]

UAE is ok on GP2X 200mhz 64mb flash so should be ok on EFIKA with 400mhz ppc (which is supposed to be better) with 128 mb ddr ram (which is quicker aswell)

the xbox ones good too that only got celeron 700 etc and 64mb I think.

Im not stupid just optomistic that its should be possible to play all old amiga games on efika perfectly.

I meen very basic type menu OS where you just selct program to run etc. similar to PSP or GP2X!

with:
Email
Internet
Storage
Programs


If im being stupid im sorry but ive made calculations as follows:

I run winuae without JIT on 1.6ghz with 64 ram selected and runs 3.1 install get sysinfo and my computer is 100x faster than an a4000/040. (red and goes of scale with white plus sign)

so wouldnt the Efika run 25x faster atleast?

Maybe Im not as clever as I would like to be at coding etc but this should be possible..

If I could I would prove you wrong

 :idea:  :idea:

[Piru]

@Paradox

run winuae without JIT on 1.6ghz with 64 ram selected and runs 3.1 install get sysinfo and my computer is 100x faster than an a4000/040. (red and goes of scale with white plus sign)

Newsflash: syncthetic benchmark-tools lie under emulation. The actual performance is nowhere near 100x. SysInfo is especially bad here, it is an outdated application, anyway. Use some reallife benchmarks instead.

so wouldnt the Efika run 25x faster atleast?

Not even remotely close.

Maybe Im not as clever as I would like to be at coding etc but this should be possible..

Yes. No.

If I could I would prove you wrong

You're (supposedly) selling EFIKAs. Grab one, install your linux on it, and run UAE. Then come back with some results which prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.

[falemagn]

You are wrong. EFIKA is not powerful enough for smooth UAE emulation. Some light games might run fast enough, but anything more demanding will not.

Once upon a time I used to run UAE on a PII@350MHz: it could run most A500 games just fine, if a bit jerky on the sound side.

- Edit -

Not meaning that it would run fast enough on the Efika, though, just saying that a "slow" CPU can still produce good results with UAE.

[Paradox]

Thankyou exactly what I was saying really.

We will prove you wrong PIRU and whomever is sceptic of UAE

a PPC 400MHz is fast enough im teling you.

Guess we will have to wait and see........


Anybody whos interested in games emultion on efika please come IRC at chat.freenode.net #efika  I will be there.

Thankyou.

[Piru]

@falemagn

Slow CPUs can produce good results on x86, mostly because of the JIT and L2 caches.

UAE with JIT patch was okayish on cel 400. Without JIT it was quite bad (lack of cache didn't help).

5200B has no L2 cache at all, only 16KB inst & data caches.

[Piru]

We will prove you wrong PIRU and whomever is sceptic of UAE

I am still waiting.

[Crumb]

@Paradox

A Pegasos1 with G3/600Mhz has to skip frames to emulate an A500 at full speed. Maybe Efika memory controller helps a little, but don't expect to be able to emulate AGA games smoothly unless Bernd Meyer releases his m68k JIT emulator for PPC. Now that OS4 final is out maybe he gives the sources to Richard Drummond so he can integrate it into E-UAE.

Piru is right: You won't be able to run smoothly games/apps designed for anything faster than an A500 and you may have difficulties running A500 games that require cycle-perfect syncronization.

On the other hand MorphOS is enough light to run apps like Mail/Web browser/etc smoothly on a 400Mhz 603e without L2 cache.

BTW... there's nothing special in running UAE... any off the shelf pc can do it. A500 games ran smoothly on a P233MMX with "Fellow" (an old A500 emu). Efika will probably run UAE slower than a 400Mhz Celeron.

If Bernd Meyer released his PPC JIT and Richard Drummond integrated it on his E-UAE it would be a revolution for Amiga emulation on PPC. I guess that an Efika could easily emulate AGA games that don't require perfect sync if E-UAE used Bernd Meyer's JIT for PPC.

[AmiGR]

@Paradox

1) A Pegasos1 with a G3 is not fast enough for UAE with sound and no frameskipping, how the hell would the Efika be fast enough?

2) The GP2X port relies on overclocking the GP2X CPU. It also *is* choppy with sound, and *does* have frameskipping.

3) Stop posting x86 examples, UAE has a JiT on x86 CPUs and x86s have L2 cache, unlike the PPC5200.

4) I suggest you stop being an idiot, Piru is one of the core MorphOS developers, he, of all people, should know what the Efika is or is not far better than you.

5) Stop all this incredibly ignorant crap about 166MHz PCs being able to run A1200 games, they cannot do any such thing on UAE, *hardware* emulation of a system as complex as the Amiga is incredibly demanding in raw CPU horsepower (not for any recent machine but the Efika does not have a powerful CPU) and this is not debatable, as anyone who has followed UAE's development and has ever actually used it knows. Fellow was faster on slower PCs but Fellow is dead.

6) You have proven that you are not technically minded, so stop arguing against people who know better than you.

[Paradox]

all off you! check these:


proof is there





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win32
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linux x86

works perfect

remember to rename kickstart roms to kick.rom and add you adf files etc

make sure select no save disk 100% throttle and 0 frame skip and sound on

works with 1.3 and 3.1 roms

Its possible.

[motorollin]

Paradox, meet Leirbag  :roll:

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moto