Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x

[drHirudo]

Forgive my ignorance but what is wrong with Morphos?

MorphOS runs on limited variety of Mac models that are extremely hard to find today. The Macs models that MorphOS can run on today are slow and obsolete by current computing standards as well.

[drHirudo]

LOL. So you mean OS4 would run on those Macs that you can buy at your local retailer? Those old Macs are still faster than Samanthas... does that make Sams obsolete too?

LOL, he asked about MorphOS and you turned the answer back to AmigaOS 4. AmigaOS 4 does not run on Mac hardware, that's what the OP asked for.
It is irrelevant to the question asked later - what's wrong with MorphOS - that I answered to.

Of course entering MorphOS into the discussion was totally irrelevant in the first place, but it always happens when AmigaOS 4 thread appears, so I take this as quite normal behavior of predictable crowd of MOS fans. Just pointed out what's wrong with MOS.

[drHirudo]

There is a place called ebay - quite easy to find with good few macs that are supported.

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?Processor%2520Type=PowerPC%2520G4&rt=nc&Product%2520Family=PowerMac&_dcat=111418&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

There is a link in case you don't know what ebay is.

I have 100% positive eBay account. The Macs that are sold which will eventually run MOS are hard to find and the shipping price will be a small fortune. International shipping for eMac?, errrmm, better buy something for half the price, quadriple as fast, locally.

P.S. Your link sucks. Most of the listed models won't run MOS anyway. Neither they ship internationally.

[drHirudo]

You know **** about MorphOS on Macs and that's it. On my 'sucky' link most of PowerMacs are supported.

So MOS works on broken Macs? How nice of it.

There is also ebay in every country.

I vote this for the stupidest sentence on Amiga.org today.

[drHirudo]

Really? I've looked through the first page and haven't found a SINGLE machine that MorphOS 2.7 would not boot on (excluding spare parts which got mixed up there obviously, and yes, the Cube boots too, although it's a bit limited). Stop confusing other users here, thank you.

You tested them? Or someone from the MOS team? Theoretically it may, but you probably know that practice not always collide with theory, especially in the Amiga world. What about the case where no Radeon chip is present for graphics?

There, this should give you internaltional shipping.

Thanks.

[drHirudo]

Radeons are relatively easy to find if the Mac you want to buy doesn't have one - after all, it's a replaceable component.

Haha, my Mac does not have Radeon. Can you replace it for me?

[drHirudo]

Since when is that a PowerMac? We've been talking about PowerMacs.

Which returns us to my initial point that MOS runs on limited range of Macs.

Kind regards.

[drHirudo]

If over 30 different models is a "limited range" to you then so be it.

Only 30 from over 120 PPC models is less than 25% of the models. If we count by numbers of machines sold of each model the percentage may turn to be even lower.

On the other hand AmigaOS 4 runs on 100% of the AmigaOne hardware and does not need hardware modifications, like some of the "supported" Macs do.

When I bought my MicroAmigaOne I wasn't worried if AmigaOS 4 will run on it or not. It's not the case with the Macs for MOS.

[drHirudo]

Given that the Mac has used three different architectures and three different ROM formats in four total combinations, only one of which MorphOS supports, that'd kind of have to be true. But I don't think anybody was hoping to run it on a 68020 Macintosh II, do you?

Of course not AmigaOS 4, but if AROS 68K evolves well, we may see someday Amiga derivative running on this Macintosh II as well as on Intel Macs and PPC Macs. If only there was enough interest.

[drHirudo]

HAHA! I thought he was Japanese.

Haha, your wild guesses does not surprice me. On YouTube I was named Polish, no EAB they said I am Czech, now Hungarian, Japanese.

I does not matter much in which of these countries, because in any of them you will have a hard time getting fully working Mac for MOS except may be in Poland.

On the other hand I order from Vesalia since 1999 and had no problems receiving my orders (Amiga 1200, AmigaOne, cards, magazines, books, software, games). Currently Vesalia have listed Amiga and AROS systems for sale, but not MOS capable hardware.

If the AmigaOne X1000 AmigaOS 4 port is properly done it will be the first AmigaOS to take advantage of dual core architecture that will make it porting to G5 Macs more trivial than the much anticipated G5 port of MOS which is not there yet.

To answer the OP question: AmigaOS 4 on PPC Mac? No, I prefer it on new hardware. It is irrelevant if my MicroAmigaOne (from which I am typing this) is old or new hardware. I bought it first hand.

[drHirudo]

Has there ever been an explanation by Hyperion on why they never ported to Apple PPC's? I'm guessing maybe they are reluctant as then they would be in direct comparison with a (supposedly) superior product? I'm sure with the Amiga trademark on their side they could end up dominating over MOS if they wanted to. so why did they hold back? Respect for MOS?

AmigaOS 4 on Apple PPC hardware was running long before MOS was ported to Apple Macs. What comparison you are talking about?

P.S. I agree, both MOS and AmigaOS 4 and not comparable with OS X. They are in totally different leagues. OS X have big company staying behind it, while MOS and AmigaOS 4 are amateur and hobby projects.

[drHirudo]

You are right, OS4 was never finished or released for any PPC Mac models.  There was a project (Moana) that was started, but it was canceled by Hyperion, or the few developers that were working on it and it was reported that the files were stolen from a laptop and posted to some "Pirate" file sharing sites.  Some people have claimed that they have gotten the pirated files to boot an old version of OS4 on a PPC Macmini, but since it is lacking most of the needed drivers that were never finished, it is unusable, for the most part and no one bothers with it anymore.

As usual, DrHurido is just spreading more false information.  He is a great source of FUD.  No one outside of Hyperion, or the developers that were working on the Moana project before it got canceled know why it was canceled, and none of them are talking about why it was canceled.

I am not speading false informaton or FUD - I said running, not publicly available. Probably the same FUD coming from the MOS supporters about MOS running on G5 and PowerBooks is not seen as false information in your double standards. But thanks for clarifying that MOS people including Piru are spreading FUD all the time. Not that it was unknown fact. And thanks for showing to us what hypocrite you are.
Regards

[drHirudo]

Finally, the truth spoken by an avid MOS supporter:

Right on my Amiga.
Heh

Final image in his post: