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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: gdanko on August 29, 2007, 06:53:12 PM
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If you are going to post something that is on ebay please put FA or something so I can ignore it! I refuse to patronize ebay and would rather not even look at ebay ads! Thanks :P
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Amen! :angel:
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eBay rocks. About 95% of my collection was possible becuase of it. Sorry but it's easy and makes this hobby easier to get into.
But I do agree, use FA: instead of Sale!
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There are too many fools on ebay, but for buying miggy stuff there is no equal for selection..
Once you figure out that "sold as seen" is more likely to be broken that is......
I have bought and sold on there for many years without being ripped off.
Sale obviously does not mean ebay and so FA should defo be put in the header.
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bUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURP! evilBay!! :elvis:
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I am sorry but Ebay is essential to keep building my collection. My CD32 and the 20+ games, my A1000 + all extra's wouldn't be in my collection without it. You just have to know who you're buying from that's all. Cheers
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EBay is only as bad as the people using it. I have no problems and have made money that could not currently have been made without it or at least a qualitative competitor.
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ebay has its good and bad points. I always prefer buying off-ebay, but sometimes ebay is just the only way to get some items in a reasonable amount of time. The prices aren't always horrible if you have some self discipline.
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amigakid wrote:
I am sorry but Ebay is essential to keep building my collection. My CD32 and the 20+ games, my A1000 + all extra's wouldn't be in my collection without it. You just have to know who you're buying from that's all. Cheers
I got most of my stuff from generous donators who saw the value in keeping this stuff alive, even if it was someone else doing it. I don't think I've gotten anything of value off eBay Amiga-wise and I have 20 or so machines. eBay is not a necessary means to enjoying this hobby.
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There is nothing wrong with eBay, I got most of my gear from there.
The only comment I must make is that eBay don`t give a s**t about people when they get ripped off.
But it is getting a bit better.
I can tell you some thing that does suck and thats a good prostitute. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(NOT that I would know)
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And I am dang tired of people trying to use eBay as a measuring stick for the value of an item. The prices fluctuate so much there is no way to accurately use eBay as a gauge.
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ebay is definitely not a realistic way to determine value... though it is a good way to determine how desperate some people are to get items that aren't really that rare, just because someone else might get it first.
That said, I've gotten some GREAT buys on there. The prives fluctuate, and sometimes you're lucky and hit the trough rather than the peak. I've also sometimes overpaid, but sometimes getting it now is more important than getting it at a reasonable price. Not often, but sometimes.
ebay only sucks if you lack the discipline to stay below your maximum price and if you lack patience. I'm kind of ambivalent on it. ebay is full of idiots and its artificially inflated prices on some things, but it also sometimes has some great deals and some genuinely rare items. Its a mixed bag, and can be used in smart ways or dumb ways.
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Also "untested" means I did everything to try to make it work but short of a seance but no luck.
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I liken ebay to a pit of vipers.. People who are trying to fleece regular joes for hard to find items. Anytime I am selling Amiga gear I post on the Amiga forums and let people make reasonable bids. The first bid I deem reasonable get is.
One guy in LA was selling an A2000 for 20. Some guy snatched it up the next day to play some old games. The seller emailed me and said, "I should have asked for more". I told him.. hey you wanted 20, you got 20. Go get a couple six packs of beer like you had posted in your ad.. the buyer has a new toy.. everyone wins. The seller wrote back, "I like your take".
I am here to help the community.. not make tons of money on stuff that I know is hard to come by and at the same time in big demand. I feel almost unethical doing so. Even more to the point, most of the stuff I have came to me for free. What kind of jerk would I be to try and profit off something I no longer need that was provided to me as a good gesture? We are a community and as such should work together.. if you don't need something, give it to someone who does or at least give the community the first shot at buying it at a fair price instead of saying, "Oh I'll sell it but you will have to fight it out with everyone else"... I don't like that mindset and I think it's more damaging to the Amiga community.
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@ gdanko
I don't like eBay, and I like Paypal even less. Paypal should a great idea, but since eBay owns it, it's the pits.
I won't say I never sell on eBay, but buying is another story. I usually try to sell stuff here, or amibench, or craigslit, or ????. eBay is the last resort.
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i never used ebay, i never used paypal, and i got all retro computers/consoles i wanted. the trick is to use alernative auction places, forums (as a.org/aw.net etc) and friends, its much cheaper also. so its possible to live without ebay........
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A1260 wrote:
i never used ebay, i never used paypal, and i got all retro computers/consoles i wanted. the trick is to use alernative auction places, forums (as a.org/aw.net etc) and friends, its much cheaper also. so its possible to live without ebay........
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Exactly my point. Some people insist eBay and Windows are necessary. This simply is not true. I have gotten more Amiga hardware than I know what to do with and none of it came from eBay. I have also been Windows-free since 1995 or so!
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Some good points, but what do you expect, eBay reflects people in general, some are glad to clear out their garage and glad to help, others are after one thing and that is to make their wallet fatter.
Case in point with my latest eBay experience. I bought a Toaster Flyer. Been wanting one for ages. I have no idea about the Flyer and what it entails. I see the card comes with the Octapus SCSI cables. I think cool I should be good. Do some research and see there is a ribbon cable that attaches the Flyer to the Toaster. I ask the seller if it comes with this cable, she looks into it and tells me that the cable does not come off the toaster, she tried to revove it but it won't come off. We go back and forth, I find out from Matt H on here that the Flyer cable is attached to a board on the Toaster card and you have to swap it out. I tell her this, and offer to send her my BNC board for the cable. She says this has gotten out of hand and that the original auction did not include the cable and that's that. No deal sorry! I say it's a waste to sell the Toaster card with this cable if the buyer will not need it. She says "How do you know they might not need it?" Hello did I not buy this card that needs this cable from YOU? (help out your customer) She said I can just take my chances and just bid on it. I offer to buy her Toaster for an amount but she decides to list it on eBay instead, and get this! Mentions it has the "rare" Flyer cable with BNC board!!
So you see a descent helpful person would of worked with me and said, sure lets swap the BNC board so you can use this Flyer card you just bought from me! The other types, could care less. This is the reason people hate eBay.
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hrmmm...I am selling something to someone, even if it is on ebay. So it was in fact a sale (the state of being purchasable; offered or exhibited for selling).
I am not discounting your displeasure with the topic heading or ebay itself. Just stating the way I see it.
:rtfm:
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Well i know there are not many if any Amiga users in my city so Ebay is a good way for me to purchase things I want. I look at feedback ratings and will put my max bid to what I want to pay for it. There are games and stuff i just cant get here, and yes people here are great for trading and selling stuff, but I am not only an Amiga enthusiast and user but also a collector and the stuff I buy most people wouldn't want to get rid of because of how hard it is to find. If you dont like Ebay fine, I'm not all that thrilled about it either, but I will admit that I do like being able to purchase items from almost anywhere. i bought a few cd32 games from the UK, items from the US and even Australia, things i never would have been able to get in my city. Cheers
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Well, I refuse to patronize Amazon.com, so what there?
FA should head auctions, anyway. Makes it easier to tell if something is available immediately. But, we've already had a few "eBay is evil" discussions around these here parts, and they all read just the same as this one. Pretty much like every flipping Doomy thread.
Laters... going to get some $.35 wings! I'm starving...
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I agree with the FA: tag... but thats a separate issue from the suck/nonsuck of ebay. Its just clearer.
While I do think ebay has serious problems as well as advantages, I think its unfair to say that its all sellers' faults. Sure, there's probably a ton of ebay sellers buying Amigas at yard/estate sales and flea markets for $5 and selling them for $200... but the buyers on ebay are at least as much to blame as the sellers. The sellers can only sell for what people are willing to pay. As long as theres idiots who just NEED that 25th Amiga and are willing to drop an entire paycheck on it, things are gonna suck for people just trying to build one good system on a tight budget.
I dont know how to fix things, but I don't think its fair to blame only greedy sellers for the situation though.
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gdanko wrote:
I am here to help the community.. not make tons of money on stuff that I know is hard to come by and at the same time in big demand.
Wanna help? Sell me that A3500 :-D :laughing: :knuddel:
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There's an A2500 on eBay right now. It was re-listed after not selling the first time for $99.95. Now the seller has this:
I will not let this fabulous Amiga 2500 go for less then $99.95. If it does not sell this time, I will just smash it up and throw it in the dumpster. So, if you want this computer, bid on it. The first time that I listed this Amiga 2500 computer 1317 people viewed it. So, I know that this is a very desirable computer. It is very clean and works great.
Personally, I don't think anything like this needs to be said. I've re-listed items before because they didn't sell. Sometimes the right buyer doesn't come around the first time. No big deal. I understand this guy probably doesn't want to keep hanging on to this unit and is ready to chuck it -- it doesn't need to be said. And 1317 people were watching it, probably like me to see that it wouldn't sell for the $100 he was asking -- that doesn't need to be said either. In short, don't chastise us because we didn't buy; just keep your attitude to yourself, re-list, and maybe the right buyer will come along. Someone's bid on it this time, so good for you.
To me, this guy isn't in it for the Amiga so much as for the money. If he was really trying to sell it to someone for the love of the machine, he'd let it go for less or at least not {bleep} about not getting $100 for it the first time. Again, demand sets the market, and the first time there was no demand. Now there is.
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If it does not sell this time, I will just smash it up and throw it in the dumpster.
Attitudes like this really piss me off! He would rather smash it up and throw it away than offer it for less or even free to someone who can get some enjoyment out if it???
It's fine to have a reserve on what you wish to accept for it. But to state that is just crap. I guess he wants to force someone to buy it than to think of it being throw away? I don't get it.
Even Doomy would not go as far as destroy a fabulous Amiga 2000 series computer! He should just donate it to him or sell it to him for a fair price. :rtfm:
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TjLaZer wrote:
If it does not sell this time, I will just smash it up and throw it in the dumpster.
Attitudes like this really piss me off!
Me too.
Seems like this is a new eBay seller. He hasn't specific about the shipping? These things might explain why no one was bidding on the 2500. He's got a couple of bids now so the machine is hopefully not going to get all smashed...if it survives the shipping.
Fester
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I'd rate eBay far far ahead of anything else.
I put a Wanted up for a WHITE Amiga 600 on Amibench. I got a reply stating that a white 600 is available. The guy must have been blind because I received it and it was probably the most yellow Amiga 600 I have ever seen.
On eBay at least you can choose to look at what you are buying and leave negative feedback.
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Tahoe wrote:
gdanko wrote:
I am here to help the community.. not make tons of money on stuff that I know is hard to come by and at the same time in big demand.
Wanna help? Sell me that A3500 :-D :laughing: :knuddel:
Get in line for that A3500 buddy. :lol:
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Not a new seller;more likely just one who knows how to push people's buttons.
I have met the same kind at flea market and WHEN they didn't get the asking price then into the trash at closing time.
It must be difficult to be an a*****e so consistently but some sellers manage.
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Tahoe wrote:
gdanko wrote:
I am here to help the community.. not make tons of money on stuff that I know is hard to come by and at the same time in big demand.
Wanna help? Sell me that A3500 :-D :laughing: :knuddel:
No!
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LoadWB wrote:
There's an A2500 on eBay right now. It was re-listed after not selling the first time for $99.95. Now the seller has this:
I will not let this fabulous Amiga 2500 go for less then $99.95. If it does not sell this time, I will just smash it up and throw it in the dumpster. So, if you want this computer, bid on it. The first time that I listed this Amiga 2500 computer 1317 people viewed it. So, I know that this is a very desirable computer. It is very clean and works great.
Personally, I don't think anything like this needs to be said. I've re-listed items before because they didn't sell. Sometimes the right buyer doesn't come around the first time. No big deal. I understand this guy probably doesn't want to keep hanging on to this unit and is ready to chuck it -- it doesn't need to be said. And 1317 people were watching it, probably like me to see that it wouldn't sell for the $100 he was asking -- that doesn't need to be said either. In short, don't chastise us because we didn't buy; just keep your attitude to yourself, re-list, and maybe the right buyer will come along. Someone's bid on it this time, so good for you.
To me, this guy isn't in it for the Amiga so much as for the money. If he was really trying to sell it to someone for the love of the machine, he'd let it go for less or at least not {bleep} about not getting $100 for it the first time. Again, demand sets the market, and the first time there was no demand. Now there is.
We should collectively contact this character and ask him why he is willing to destroy this 2500! I have emailed him. Based on the name of the seller, this appears to be a business. Why would a business owner destroy their inventory if if doesn't sell for the desired price? Sounds like a tantrum if you ask me!
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I contacted the seller when the item was first listed... He had removed the accelerator card so now its really an A2000HD. Be warened! - this guy is bad news...
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joekster wrote:
I contacted the seller when the item was first listed... He had removed the accelerator card so now its really an A2000HD. Be warened! - this guy is bad news...
Does he not realize the badge does not make it a 2500, the accelerator does!
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The one thing that pisses me off is when you put in an auction UK only.
Will not post to other parts of the world.
Then you get some idiot usually from the USA and France for some reason asking how much will the postage be to the US or to France.
READ you thick f**k. It states UK only, hello, ohhhh hello.
Read the bloody screen you dumb t**t.
eBay is good and eBay is bad, it could be better for sure.
It has had bad press on the TV over here for its incompetence, and the management for its total lack of care to its users.
With eBay you take a chance, its up the the buyer to take that chance, usually things are pretty much ok.
Its the odd a**wipe that will take advantage.
Mike.
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joekster wrote:
I contacted the seller when the item was first listed... He had removed the accelerator card so now its really an A2000HD. Be warened! - this guy is bad news...
He should state that in the auction. The 2500 isn't a 2500 without the accelerator. But since he doesn't mention the card at all, I wouldn't expect to find it there if I bid and won the auction.
Secondly, he has ZERO feedback. That's what made me think he was new to eBay. Can't expect this Amiga to be well packaged and in good condition upon arrival.
Well, even so. It's old hardware. It's 100 bucks. Some pay more for dinner and a movie.
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Exhibit A: HGC Sales... Hans George Campbell??
Exhibit B: City of Roses is Portland, OR.. close to Doomy..
Exhibit C: Removing the accelerator
This smells of Doomy!
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Confirmed...
Hans Campbell to me
What the hell are you talking about? Look, if you do not stop harassing me I will inform eBay about it.
----- Original Message -----
From: eBay Member:
To: hgcsales@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Question for item #320153456488 - Commodore Amiga 2500 Computer with Keyboard and Manual
Dear hgcsales,
Oh hiya Doomy. Glad to see you are back on eBay and abusive to your customers!
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gdanko wrote:
Confirmed...
Hans Campbell to me
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My Hans is on the Fritz!!
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Well, at least he's taking PayPal now ;-)
[EDIT]: Err, nope, apparently I can't read. And the fact that he doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than" might be an additional exhibit.
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If I sound like I was badmouthing the guy I apologize. I just don't want to see anyone taken advantage of. :/
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ebay is great if you're going for max money..if i ebay stuff thats what its usually for.
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swift240 wrote:
The one thing that pisses me off is when you put in an auction UK only.
Will not post to other parts of the world.
Then you get some idiot usually from the USA and France for some reason asking how much will the postage be to the US or to France.
I understand the idea behind the policy, but I have had people say that shipping will be too much. Well, if I'm willing to pay the shipping, isn't it I who would say if it would be too much for me to buy? Now, perhaps shipping internationally is too much of a PITA, I can dig that.
When I sell I list North America only, and when I receive an international inquiry I inform the prospect that shipping will be more expensive due to cost as well as the time I need to take to fill out custom forms and what-not. Sometimes they say never mind, and other times they're okay with it. I have had several pleasant sales with this policy.
And you UKites can't horde all of the A500+ systems, darnit! :-P
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I find it highly annoying when people say they won't ship internationally. It's no harder than shipping locally. Cost should never be an issue because the buyer pays and as for filling in custom forms it takes all of 30 seconds!!
I have had many sales from all over the world but I have found the US people to be the most difficult and the ones who like to over inflat the postage! It appears our US brothers are a tad greedy!
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ebay is great if you're going for max money..if i ebay stuff thats what its usually for.
Of course everyone wants max money. The only people that do not want max money are the filthy rich or people who are too busy to try to get the max money by setting up ebay auctions!
Bottom line is, if you just want to make some room and want to help the community (of the item you are selling) you will post a free ad to give your item to anyone who wants it. (like market place on here or Craigls List, etc)
Problem is the people who do end up getting it will part it out and sell it on ebay...
That's why eBay sucks!!! But you have to remember the reason it sucks is because of the people. Those type of people suck. eBay is a tool. If you use it right it's great (finding rare vintage Amiga goodies) but it can royally suck (resellers parting and hiking up prices just to make an extra greenback)
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jimbo100 wrote:
I have had many sales from all over the world but I have found the US people to be the most difficult and the ones who like to over inflat the postage! It appears our US brothers are a tad greedy!
We're just cranky 'cuz of PATRIOT and the US$ being in the $hitter.
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TjLaZer wrote:
Of course everyone wants max money. The only people that do not want max money are the filthy rich or people who are too busy to try to get the max money by setting up ebay auctions!
Given the choice of these two, I must fall into the later category, then. I white-knuckle every month on paying the mortgage until my big customers can get back in the swing of things and start producing more billable hours.
Bottom line is, if you just want to make some room and want to help the community (of the item you are selling) you will post a free ad to give your item to anyone who wants it. (like market place on here or Craigls List, etc)
Eh, I cannot totally agree with this. How many people in the US are going to see my post on tallahassee.craigslist.org? And I'm sorry to say that there are still a lot of Amiga-curious who do not visit AO. eBay is fairly universal, and good sellers can find good buyers, and vice-versa.
Problem is the people who do end up getting it will part it out and sell it on ebay...
This has its good points as well. Let's say you happen to have an A2500 and the accelerator is dead. Well, the jerk that just parted out his A2500 and put the parts on eBay might just make your day.
eBay is a tool. If you use it right it's great (finding rare vintage Amiga goodies) but it can royally suck (resellers parting and hiking up prices just to make an extra greenback)
HEAR HEAR! I have killed off a couple of auctions because the price went far too high (if that sounds stupid, then I don't think you get it the way I do.) I think I've mentioned this in another "eBay Sucks" thread: I do not welcome "collectors" whose sole purpose is to shelve the items they buy. Rather, I want people who will use it until it dies. Someone like me who has always wanted some model of the Amiga (I would have killed someone in front of their mother for a 1200 :-)) but did not have a couple or few hundred for a used model. I finally got one about five years back for $65 and shipping. And etcetera ad naseum.
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I have used ebay many times. They offer a great service, but I do feel they charge too much. However, that being said, I have made more money selling on ebay than I could by myself.
Unless we can set up our own board: An Action to create a solution; we are simply wasting our breath complaining and wasting breath.
But, I guess it is better to complain about ebay than the likes of Amiga Inc... Boy are we a hardly bunch!
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TjLaZer wrote:
It's fine to have a reserve on what you wish to accept for it. But to state that is just crap. I guess he wants to force someone to buy it than to think of it being throw away? I don't get it.
*shrug* It's genetics. Personal observation of people over the last 40 years has me convinced that there is 2 diametrically opposed gene pools. Most of us are decended from stock that climbed gingerly out of the trees. Our friend above appears to have decended from those who fell out.
While we're bagging EBay, one of the things that amuses me is the way some people bid. For arguements sake, item "X" is worth roughly $300 and has a starting bid of $10. 7 days out from the end of the auction you'll see people bidding a dollar at a time for something that's obviously going to go for alot more than 20 dollars. When it gets too expensive, (at around $40, for example), they stop bidding. Are these people really under the illusion that they'll end up winning said item for the price of the postage? I submit that this type of bidder is also part of the "fell out of the tree and hit my head" gene pool.
Rant off.
*steps off soapbox*
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Dang that Doomy! He is stripping the accelerator from that 2500!!
Dear greenstench,
If there was an accelerator board installed, the starting bid amount would be a lot higher then $99.95. I have seen accelerator boards on eBay sell for between $80 to $1400, depending on the board. I paid $300 for my PPI 2000/40 board, plus an additional $50 for a 33 MHz 68040 chip and a 66 MHz crystal, plus $160 for 8 of the extremely hard to find 4 megabyte 30-pin SIMMs.
- hgcsales
He is selling an A2000HD and I told him that!
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Ugh, reading his writing (righting) makes me cringe. It's worse than (then) some of those 1337 kids.
And he's a dick. But that's just my legally defensible personal opinion.
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@Tjlaser:
Bottom line is, if you just want to make some room and want to help the community (of the item you are selling) you will post a free ad to give your item to anyone who wants it. (like market place on here or Craigls List, etc)
Problem is the people who do end up getting it will part it out and sell it on ebay...
Which is why I'd rather take all the money rather then sell it for a cheap price. But why should I sell for something cheap if its going for alot of $? If demand dictates $600 for my toaster system, then I will take that $600 happily. If it only gets $400 then I'll do the same. I have other odds and ends I'm going to ebay just to clear out room.
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If I get an Amiga 2000 from a kind soul for free and 6 months later I decide I no longer want it I cannot, in good conscience, take money for it. And since most of my stuff has come to me for free I will not make a profit from it. And I would condemn anyone who would.
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While we're bagging EBay, one of the things that amuses me is the way some people bid. For arguements sake, item "X" is worth roughly $300 and has a starting bid of $10. 7 days out from the end of the auction you'll see people bidding a dollar at a time for something that's obviously going to go for alot more than 20 dollars. When it gets too expensive, (at around $40, for example), they stop bidding. Are these people really under the illusion that they'll end up winning said item for the price of the postage? I submit that this type of bidder is also part of the "fell out of the tree and hit my head" gene pool.
You know what? THAT DRIVES ME BONKERS!!!!! I do not get it. To me these people are ID10T error codes all over my 1084 monitor!!!!
Which is why I'd rather take all the money rather then sell it for a cheap price. But why should I sell for something cheap if its going for alot of $? If demand dictates $600 for my toaster system, then I will take that $600 happily. If it only gets $400 then I'll do the same. I have other odds and ends I'm going to ebay just to clear out room.
Nobody said give something obviously worth a lot of money away for free. We are talking about stuff like a A2000 series computer, etc. Worth up to ~$100. People trying to nickel and dime it these things is what is annoying. If it's taking room and you drive an Infinity G35 do not worry about trying to get $199 for it with starting bids that high, etc. Offer it for a low bid if you wish or give it away to someone who can use it for free (or accept a six pack of beer) LOL
Now obviously if you paid $200 for it 6 months ago (and you really need the money) I think you should try and get that money back, but if you got it free, do like GDanko said...
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I hate Ebay because more often than not the little guy doesn't have a chance. For instance, there was recently a 1200 on Ebay on which I had bid a maximum bid of $175-a fair price in my opinion. I was winning the auction up until about thirty minutes from end time when some smart aleck decided to make a ~$300 bid for it. I bid all the way up to $255, but didn't dare try to go any further so I can only assume that his max bid must've been somewhere near $300. At any rate, I don't feel as though that's a very fair price for a basic 1200 system. It had no fancy upgrades or anything, it was just a regular 1200 with a 1GB HD and OS 3.9. It wasn't even an original Commodore 1200! I would've gladly paid $175, maybe even $200 for it. But any more than that is ridiculous.
Right now I'm bidding on a n A500 hard drive which is currently at $36. I'm waiting to see that balloon, with only about a day left on it.
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BGary335 wrote:
I hate Ebay because more often than not the little guy doesn't have a chance.
*snip*
It's not just ebay. It's all auctions. Every 6 or 8 weeks a local auction house over this way has a computer auction. I've bought loads of gear over the years such as DVD servers, PCs and various other bits cheaply. If the computer auction happens to fall on the same day as the "Police And Seized" auction, the amount of people triples and most pay stupid prices for crap - just because it's an auction. I've seen secondhand 15" lcd monitors go for a higher price than a new one. People get it into their heads that because they're at an auction, everything must be cheaper than what they'd normally pay for it elsewhere.
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There are too many greedy folks on eBay who take advantage of those people who really want gear. Where I live there were tons of Amiga users back in the day. People have given me the old Amigas in their garages because they know it is going to a good home.
A particular example is a mint A3000 with Cyberstorm MkIII 060 with 64mb RAM, two 2.0G HDDs, Ariadne, and cv643d. This guy used it in college and just wanted to see someone enjoy it. He could have sold it on eBay and made 100s but he had a different mindset than most. Greed is a powerful thing.
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BGary335 wrote:
I hate Ebay because more often than not the little guy doesn't have a chance. For instance, there was recently a 1200 on Ebay on which I had bid a maximum bid of $175-a fair price in my opinion. I was winning the auction up until about thirty minutes from end time when some smart aleck decided to make a ~$300 bid for it. I bid all the way up to $255, but didn't dare try to go any further so I can only assume that his max bid must've been somewhere near $300. At any rate, I don't feel as though that's a very fair price for a basic 1200 system. It had no fancy upgrades or anything, it was just a regular 1200 with a 1GB HD and OS 3.9. It wasn't even an original Commodore 1200! I would've gladly paid $175, maybe even $200 for it. But any more than that is ridiculous.
Right now I'm bidding on a n A500 hard drive which is currently at $36. I'm waiting to see that balloon, with only about a day left on it.
Learn how to bid then. Wait to the last 30 seconds to make your highest bid. If you don't win, get over it, and hope for better luck on another auction.
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Learn how to bid then. Wait to the last 30 seconds to make your highest bid. If you don't win, get over it, and hope for better luck on another auction.
Or just snipe it.
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BGary335 wrote:
For instance, there was recently a 1200 on Ebay on which I had bid a maximum bid of $175-a fair price in my opinion. I was winning the auction up until about thirty minutes from end time when some smart aleck decided to make a ~$300 bid for it.
Isn't that how bidding works? I do the same as you did: I set myself a limit and I try to stick to it. You'll eventually find another 1200.
Who would have thought a quilt could be worth 60K? I mean, some people will pay a lot of money for certain things. That's just the way it is.
Perhaps the fact that Amigas still command some money on eBay may contribute to their preservation. That's just an opinion :-)
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doctorq wrote:
Learn how to bid then. Wait to the last 30 seconds to make your highest bid. If you don't win, get over it, and hope for better luck on another auction.
Garbage. I will put a bid in for the highest price I will pay for an item up front. If I get out-bid, then there's a happy seller and possibly a sucker buyer. I don't have time to play BS games with snipers and idiots who will pay more for a used item than what you can get it for elsewhere (Elbox, Individual Computers, AmigaKit, et al.)
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If you want to save money bid at the last 6 seconds of an auction! (with bidding software) You will save money. I have seen it time and time again. (reason is it minimized the bidding wars that often happen when someone simply wants to win at all costs, thus hiking up the price)
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I agree completely LoadWB. Folks who suggest things like doctorq suggested are probably the folks who make these hefty bids. In my opinion, the true Amiga fan/enthusiast/etc. knows what these systems are worth and will refuse to pay any more than that. The folks who aren't true enthusiasts will pay $300 or more for an A1200 and proclaim themselves enthusiasts because of the wads of money they spent. spending wads of money on an Amiga doesn't make you an enthusiast, or a fan. It makes you stupid.
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@BGary335
Thanks for the slandering! So a fan isn't a fan because he/she wants to shell out the price for the machine they want?? These so-called fans you are refering to are people like you, that moans about prices being to high because they can't get what they want for the price they want to pay. That's called a cheapskate where I come from; learn the basic economics, and burst the bubble.
@LoadWB
I agree with you, but you aren't complaining about it afterwards; others do. If there is an item I want on ebay, I set my highest bid right away. If I can get the item for the price, fine, if not I can live without it until another item is available for sale.
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hmm.. I see a money making opportunity (of course, nothing to live on..just a penny here and there) .. "cheapbay".. where all high bids are cancelled and all items sold "on the cheap".
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So where do you come from? Hollywood? Manhattan? Where I'm from its called common sense. I'm not moaning about the prices. I'm just complaining about what I see as a problem and a misconception on the part of misinformed Amiga buyers.
Also, I wasn't slandering you. However, if you took my comments as being directed at you I can only say suit yourself. i certainly didn't say it.
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BGary335 wrote:
I agree completely LoadWB. Folks who suggest things like doctorq suggested are probably the folks who make these hefty bids. In my opinion, the true Amiga fan/enthusiast/etc. knows what these systems are worth and will refuse to pay any more than that. The folks who aren't true enthusiasts will pay $300 or more for an A1200 and proclaim themselves enthusiasts because of the wads of money they spent. spending wads of money on an Amiga doesn't make you an enthusiast, or a fan. It makes you stupid.
The fact is, $300 just isn't a lot of money for some people. In that case, it may not be a big deal to drop that on a 15+ year old piece of hardware, especially if it's new or in mint condition.
Sure, you may be one of the 1 in 1000 that find a fully loaded, brand-new A4K with a CS-PPC for $10 at a thrift store... or have hours every day (no job maybe) to bargain-hunt... but in the real world, most people don't, and $300 for something they really want is justified. Heck, most people dump twice that easily on a nice LCD.
"Enthusiast" or not, it's "worth" whatever it's "worth" to the person shelling out the dough. Actually, "enthusiast" generally means someone who's interested in the cream of whatever hobby they're into, whether vintage/rare cars, boats, coins, etc... and these things generally do cost a bit of money... hate to break it to ya bud, but that's just how it works, LMAO. If you want a good deal, you have to be patient, and with a little luck (right place at the right time) you'll get what you're after. Just don't expect someone to give it to you right away, and then whine when it doesn't happen. (Or whine if it's too expensive for you -- in that case, show a little class and move on to the next option... as they say, plenty of fish in the sea.) Sometimes you get lucky, other times you pay.
I can totally understand the logic behind donating old hardware to a good home, absolutely nothing wrong with that, I often do the same. (Some people may *really* need the money, in which case ebay is a totally legitimate and justified option.) It's just not the easiest way of finding what you're after, which is why some are OK with shelling out a few bills on an A1200. I don't really see the big deal.
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I agree with many of your points. for many folks $300 isn't a big deal. But that takes us right back to what I said about the little guy not being able to win, and makes it all the more true. I'm not complaining. Heck, I've been an Amiga fan for many years and have seen many system and other things I'd love to have come and go. Waiting is indeed key. All I'm saying is that if its worth that much to some folks, well, to each their own, as they say. That doesn't mean that there aren't others laughing their butts off at the price some moron just paid. :-D
And no, I've never been lucky enough to find such a thing at the thrift store, flea market, etc.
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@BGary335
I'm certainly not loaded with money, most other Amiga users aren't either I believe. You just have to accept the fact that supply and demand is what sets todays prices; not what people thinks stuff are worth. Some things decrease in value over time, others don't. Amigas and Amiga equipment fall into the last catagory.
There's nothing you can do about it, so learn to live with it. I hope you see the similarities to one of your first threads about getting an A500 harddrive for cheap money; it's not going to happen where you are hunting now. Your only bet to get a bargain will be at places not associated with online selling places.
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I'm just complaining about what I see as a problem and a misconception on the part of misinformed Amiga buyers.
I believe most of the people on here buys stuff from ebay; this is certainly a wise place to publish the above statement.
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Alright man, sorry if I misunderstood you. I do agree that some people pay ridiculous prices for certain things. Some of that may be shill bids, but yeah, it's funny to see a system sell for $150 when the EXACT same thing went for $40 the previous month. At the same time, some items (like A1200s) will almost ALWAYS sell for over $200... just the nature of the ebay amiga market.
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@doc
See, your misconstruing what I'm saying. Your taking reasonable and cheap to mean the same, and they don't. I'm not looking for cheap. I'm looking for reasonable. Of course, reasonable is in the eye of the beholder, so whats reasonable to me may be cheap to you. Contrary to your statement about cheap, it IS possible to find REASONABLE deals on Ebay. But as you all said, its a matter of waiting. Trust me, I'm, not looking for bargains on Ebay. I'm well aware that there are none to be had.
I'm NOT ocmplaining about folks who buy on Ebay. I'm only ocmplaing about those who feel that spending $300+ on an Amiga 1200 is ok.
LOL, you have quite a way of twisting words doc.
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Waiting is indeed key. All I'm saying is that if its worth that much to some folks, well, to each their own, as they say. That doesn't mean that there aren't others laughing their butts off at the price some moron just paid.
that would be true only if we lived forever (time is more than money - its life), so just keep your laughing to yourself and let others spend their money as they wish.
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BGary335 wrote:
@doc
See, your misconstruing what I'm saying. Your taking reasonable and cheap to mean the same, and they don't. I'm not looking for cheap. I'm looking for reasonable. Of course, reasonable is in the eye of the beholder, so whats reasonable to me may be cheap to you. Contrary to your statement about cheap, it IS possible to find REASONABLE deals on Ebay. But as you all said, its a matter of waiting. Trust me, I'm, not looking for bargains on Ebay. I'm well aware that there are none to be had.
I'm NOT ocmplaining about folks who buy on Ebay. I'm only ocmplaing about those who feel that spending $300+ on an Amiga 1200 is ok.
LOL, you have quite a way of twisting words doc.
I have NEVER stated that it wasn't possible to find REASONABLE deals on ebay; I have gotten a few myself.
The only problem I have here is that no matter what you say, you are complaining about folks who buy on ebay. But yet there is nothing you can do about it. Earlier in this thread you stated that it was ridiculous that someone pays more than 200 USD for an A1200; these are the exact same people preventing you from getting an A1200 for the price you want.
Don't feel bad though, if you some day in the near future decide to shell out the 300 USD it apparently takes for you to get yourself an A1200 these days, you know that in a year or so the same machine would cost you 350 USD or 400 USD, simply because the supply decrease year after year.
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I'm NOT complaining about Ebayers. Plain and simple. Where you keep getting that I am is beyond me.
orange, where's your buddy murple? :-D
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yeah right..
its like saying 'if all those other males on Earth didn't exist, I'd be lucky in love' :roll:
no, wait, you want to say something like 'lets all say NO to weapons, stop producing them so there will be no war' (stop spending $$$ on ebay) - you'd probably be the among first to break that agreement..
and what about those poor Amiga fans that want to spend even LESS than you for A500 IDE controller, but want it more than you?
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My hangup with ebay is how people present it:
"xyz product - FOR SALE!" - open the message
cgi.ebay.com.blah/blah/#asp?/crap*
Look, ebay isn't a "sale" unless you've stuck a BUY IT NOW on it.
C'mon people, it's simple logic. FS: for SALE. FA: ...
Wait, no, that'll get me in trouble with the mods.
Let's try: if you're auctioning it say so. Wherever and for whatever it is.
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@orange
Most fools are content with the knowledge that people know their fools. Apparently you feel compelled to prove it. I'm not here to argue. I'm here for discussion. If you've got some personal beef, PM me and we'll discuss it that way.
@B00Tdisk
I agree. Be up front in your presentation of an item. Make it crystal clear whether its for sale or auction.
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B00tDisk wrote:
My hangup with ebay is how people present it:
"xyz product - FOR SALE!" - open the message
cgi.ebay.com.blah/blah/#asp?/crap*
Look, ebay isn't a "sale" unless you've stuck a BUY IT NOW on it.
C'mon people, it's simple logic. FS: for SALE. FA: ...
Wait, no, that'll get me in trouble with the mods.
Let's try: if you're auctioning it say so. Wherever and for whatever it is.
Exactly.. I get irritated when I click a For Sale link and see a dad gum eBay URL! Have some consideration for people who don't care to deal with eBay!
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I just saw a set of Amiga A10 speakers sell for $173.50 on Ebay. Are you kidding me? For a set of speakers? You can almost buy an entire Amiga computer for that! I find it very hard to believe that those speakers are worth that kind of money. How on earth would you justify spending that on a pair of speakers? :-o
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Here's another good one from Ebay: I saw an auction where the seller said he would throw his A2500 in the dumpster if it didn't sell for at least $105. Apparently he had tried selling it once before and it didn't fetch the bounty he was looking for. So then I guess the genius figured someone would buy it if he threatened to toss it. That proves that its all about the money and not about the love of the Amiga. :roll:
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Yet another good one from Ebay-there's an A1200 tower going for nearly US$700! Insane! :roll:
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BGary335 wrote:
I just saw a set of Amiga A10 speakers sell for $173.50 on Ebay. Are you kidding me? For a set of speakers? You can almost buy an entire Amiga computer for that! I find it very hard to believe that those speakers are worth that kind of money. How on earth would you justify spending that on a pair of speakers? :-o
Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous for a set of speakers. You could easily buy a pretty nice set of bookshelf speakers that would annihilate those little pieces of crap.
BUT... they are somewhat rare, in fact I haven't noticed a set on ebay before. So you have 10 guys who all collect vintage commodore/amiga hardware, don't have these speakers, but have money, competing for a mint boxed set. It's like guys who collect comics, cards, coins, vehicles, etc... they'll never even use them, just put it away to "have" or pull out and admire from time to time. I know a guy who does the same thing with cars... he has a special, secured garage to store all the Mercedes he drives 100 miles a year.
Actually, I was expecting those speakers to sell for more.
For myself, though I try not to hoard or spend ridiculous amounts for this stuff, a few months ago I spent $25 for a new/sealed Bard's Tale for the Amiga... seemed like a good idea at the time, but definitely not easy to justify out loud, LOL. It's something I have fun with, I just try not to get too carried away. (The sad thing is I actually have little time these days to enjoy my hobbies.)
It's all a matter of perspective... most people would consider spending ANYTHING on amiga related things is a complete waste, even $10.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? I have a set of those speakers boxed (Amiga A10).. I'm going to ebay that tonight and hope I get that much.
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Yeah I suppose the sky is the limit if people with lots of money are involved. That's why I try not to get too excited about anything I bid on on Ebay, because I know that there's a good chance that someone is going to jump in at the end and make a ridiculous bid. I had the A1200 system I was bidding on earlier this week taken right out from under me with less than 2 hours to go. Now I'm bidding on something else, and I expect a similar turn of events, as time is close to running out on it. What really steams me is that early some guy who SELLS Amiga stuff made a bid on it. Why? he thinks he can sell it for more? Let someone who wants to use it have it! But such seems to be the way of Ebay. That's why I often ask around here, because I have a better chance of getting what I need at a better price than if I have to compete with a hundred other people on Ebay.
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i know what you mean.. I buy stuff on ebay but usually you know what a item will go for on ebay. sometimes people pay rediculous prices for stuff but if thats what they want to do, let 'em.. its their money, they can afford it (or not..depends on if you're the guy that flaked out on my A4000 toaster auction)
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Well as I predicted someone came in with a late bid on the item I was hoping to win. I'm back in the lead again, but I'm not so sure its going to stay that way.
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@BGary335
Here is proof you can find deals on the bay! If this will not motivate you to keep hunting nothing will! Remember deals can be had! At a thrift, ebay, Craigslist, etc. It just may take you a few years but it will happen!
A few years ago I was strolling eBay for newly listed Amiga stuff and I saw a DKB 3128 Zorro III memory card for $25 Buy it now!! Guess what I did next? LOL
Also you might want to join the "Dark side" and start snipping bids. It's the only way unless you are filthy rich and want to throw away loads of ca$h!
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What is meant by snipping bids? I've seen the term used a few times but I have yet to figure out exactly what it means!
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Sniping is entering your bid like 10 seconds before the auction closes... in fact, TJ himself sniped something out from under me several years ago (I think it was a NIB 1571 for like $20)... and ever since then, I also place "snipe bids" on certain things... LMAO
Matter of fact TJ, thanks to you I STILL don't own a nice '71... :lol: j/k
Anyhow, it can be a good tool to get something you want for less money. Other times, 10 other people have the same idea as you and it doesn't work as well. :^)
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I see. Well it's something to keep in mind anyway.
On another note, I finally managed to win a hard drive for my A500!! Of course, it set me back $150, but that's still fairly reasonable.
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On another note, I finally managed to win a hard drive for my A500!! Of course, it set me back $150, but that's still fairly reasonable.
LOL. The same person that well over a week ago stated that paying more than 100 USD for an A500 harddrive is ridicilous, now thinks that 150 USD is fairly reasonable. Isn't that ironic?
I guess that makes you a well off prick now. And you are certainly not a true Amiga fan anymore.
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Speaking of pricks....
As I said to orange, fools should learn to be content in the knowledge that everyone knows their fools, and stop trying to prove it.
On another note of stupidity, I got an e-mail from a Doomy trying to justify spending that kinda money on a set of A10 speakers. Doomy isn't well liked around here, is he?
You know, folks like Dooomy, murple, and doc give the Amiga community a bad name. Then again, I guess every village has its fool, or fools in this case.
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You don't have to prove to me that you are a fool; I know you are :-D
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Someone better call the fire dept. His brain is on fire from all the thought that one took. :-D
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What grinds my gears is people who get free gear locally then turn around and put it on eFraud for a pretty penny. That sounds like a Doomy move!
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I love those! Then I get it for free :-D I'm not above swooping up a valuable item from the dumpster from time to time ;-)
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So long as you dont exploit others by charging exorbitant prices for stuff you got free.
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gdanko wrote:
What grinds my gears is people who get free gear locally then turn around and put it on eFraud for a pretty penny. That sounds like a Doomy move!
I have to admit that I'm about to do something like this. I came across a guy that has just a disturbing amount of Amiga equipment in a shed that he's letting me take. However, I am taking the time to clean and test the equipment before I send it out. It's good stuff, and I feel honestly that my time is worth whatever the items will fetch on eBay, at the very least.
But then, I'm not picking up a known good, working system, raping it for parts, and then putting it on eBay for $100.
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LoadWB wrote:
I have to admit that I'm about to do something like this. I came across a guy that has just a disturbing amount of Amiga equipment in a shed that he's letting me take. However, I am taking the time to clean and test the equipment before I send it out. It's good stuff, and I feel honestly that my time is worth whatever the items will fetch on eBay, at the very least.
But then, I'm not picking up a known good, working system, raping it for parts, and then putting it on eBay for $100.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
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I agree, so long as you let the items fetch what they will. In other words, start the items at fair prices and let the people decide what they want to pay, instead of starting the price ridiculously high, or setting a reserve, which in essence tells the buyer what to pay, instead of allowing the buyer to bid on his own terms.
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gdanko wrote:
What grinds my gears is people who get free gear locally then turn around and put it on eFraud for a pretty penny. That sounds like a Doomy move!
Although I don't dislike ebay, I have to completely agree on this one. Here in Holland there are also a few people, who try to nick Amiga hardware on a local ads website (marktplaats.nl) for not too much, and then selling it on ebay for a LOT of money. Just check the Amiga auctions from Holland. Most of the time they only have a Buy It Now option with ridicolous prices.
And those high prices are not what bothers me, but the fgact that they keep on buying everything, leaving not much for other Amiga fans in Holland, or forcing them to pay way too high prices as well.
So, johan4771, wfgnijhuis, cyber.info, StereoMike and whoever you are: leave something for other people (REAL fans like me) as well. I just want to have it for myself and don't want to make any money with it. Damn you!
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Anyone who does this does not deserve to be a member of the Amiga community. This includes YOU Doomy, I know you're reading this. You have quite a reputation for stripping all of the good bits out of systems and selling them without letting the buyer know what's missing. You are a disgrace to the Amiga community and it's no wonder you've been banned from every forum except your own.
I don't care who engages in this behavior, it is deplorable.
By the way, did you ever tell the buyer of the 2500 it was missing its accelerator?
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I owe a debt of gratitude to people like the above poster for rooting out these people from Ebay. I could have easily purchased one of his 'almost complete' machines.
I enjoy using Ebay, but always check here first as I'd rather throw some dollars at a good deal here to help a fellow user afford something they are looking for, rather than into the pockets of someone out to make large profit at the expense of the community.
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One of the reasons why I have decided not to list on ebay is that there is so much dislike.
I am getting rid of so many of my Amiga computers and peripherals so please take notice so I don't have to go ebay.
For those in the Toronto area, pickup avoids shipping and I do have lots. Please see my posts and comment here or send me a message.
S
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So, how much for that non-starting A3000?
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Make me an offer, though I was hoping for a local buyer because shipping will be somewhere between 40-60.
I sold a working one last year for US$400. Is $200 nuts?
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As I see it, ebay is what you make of it...integrity is the key. You don't have to buy from shysters (just read carefully, view feedback, use common sense, etc), or be one when you sell.
As far as Amiga wares goes, I really enjoy hooking up with some of the members here on amiga.org, and I've had the opportunity to meet some cool dudes and pick up some fun things. (Scored a really nice accelerated A600 a while back.) At the same time, where else could I find a shrink-wrapped, perfect copy of Commando C64 for $20 but Ebay? :P I've only been burned ONCE on Ebay, IIRC it was my first or second transaction many years ago, and 100% due to my lack of judgement.
So for me, it's both/and rather than an either/or dichotomy. Ebay + patience + common sense = :-)
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LoadWB wrote:
Ugh, reading his writing (righting) makes me cringe. It's worse than (then) some of those 1337 kids.
And he's a dick. But that's just my legally defensible personal opinion.
He wants me to link to his site, yet he won't link to me.... I guess the idea of reciprocal links is foreign.
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sdyates wrote:
Make me an offer, though I was hoping for a local buyer because shipping will be somewhere between 40-60.
I sold a working one last year for US$400. Is $200 nuts?
If you don't get a local buyer then work out the shipping to Sacramento, CA 92825 and you've got a deal, Sir.
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Well,
If I don't get a local buyer by say next Thursday, its yours for US$200 + US$50 shipping. I figure shipping should be US$50.00 and I'll put the insurance to cover up to US$200.00.
Oh, it comes with original keyboard and mouse too!
So, just give me a week then.
Regards,
Simon
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Sounds good. I'm excited to finally get an A3000. Probably my favourite Amiga model. Hopefully some TLC will bring it to life.
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It might be very simple. I was working for a while. Would not boot, took cover off, looked ok, turn it on and it worked again. Left it a few weeks and it stopped again.
The HD sounds great, just no light on front. A little puzzled I am. Oh well, I'll stick to emulation and let those more experienced hard the hardware.
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As I see it, ebay is what you make of it...integrity is the key. You don't have to buy from shysters (just read carefully, view feedback, use common sense, etc), or be one when you sell.
As far as Amiga wares goes, I really enjoy hooking up with some of the members here on amiga.org, and I've had the opportunity to meet some cool dudes and pick up some fun things. (Scored a really nice accelerated A600 a while back.) At the same time, where else could I find a shrink-wrapped, perfect copy of Commando C64 for $20 but Ebay? :P I've only been burned ONCE on Ebay, IIRC it was my first or second transaction many years ago, and 100% due to my lack of judgement.
So for me, it's both/and rather than an either/or dichotomy. Ebay + patience + common sense = :-)
Ha ha, looks like I spoke to soon and cursed myself.
Just received a vintage game I ordered (though from a seller on amazon, not ebay), the original Might & Magic for the C64 -- in like new condition. Or should I say was in mint condition, until the seller shipped it in a MAILBAG, and the outer box was crushed in transit! :madashell:
Damn it, some people are so stupid and careless it hurts my brain. I mean, the boxes are "FREE" at the post office... no need to go out of your way to use a bag.
Do I send it back... or is the $20 worth it to leave scathing feedback and just forget about it... LOL
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What really hurts is the realization that this is entirely MY fault, for not specifically requesting that the seller use a box for shipment... :crazy:
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Just received a vintage game I ordered (though from a seller on amazon, not ebay), the original Might & Magic for the C64 -- in like new condition. Or should I say was in mint condition, until the seller shipped it in a MAILBAG, and the outer box was crushed in transit! Damn it, some people are so stupid and careless it hurts my brain.
I can relate completely. This happens to me even if I leave a note in the payment asking about shipping it well! What do I do now? I do not pay until I get an email from the seller asking whats up. THEN at this point, when I have their pathetic attention, do I ask about the shipping and if they can use a BOX and not a padded envelope! When I get a reply back I go ahead and pay. Sorry received way to many crushed boxes to pay blindly anymore!!!!!
I would complain and ask for a refund. Not worth it IMHO.
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Yeah, I'm going to have to be more careful in the future. Though *highly* annoying, fortunately it's only something relatively silly. I'm going to ask for a refund... I figure it isn't that rare, and something I'll eventually stumble across again someday.
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getting crushed boxes is one thing, but once I ordered Katana Onimusha Controller in big box which was new, the guy wrote address on the original box and shipped it that way!
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I can't believe this thread is still going.
eBay isn't for everyone, but it has worked okay for me. I have probably gotten almost half of my entire large Amiga collection from there.
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I think ebay is great overall, sometimes it can get sour, but item selection is really awesome.