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Title: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 05:32:55 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290033840103

Simply ridiculous... the shipping to the US is almost twice the buy-now price of the unit !!!!!! Jesus
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: LoadWB on January 16, 2007, 05:50:02 AM
Holy crap!  I think I spent $200 total on a MIB shipped (supposedly) from the original factory in China!

[EDIT: Come to think of it, I am almost positive that I actually paid about $150 for it.]
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 05:53:39 AM
LOL!

It was only $200 because it hadn't "aged" enough. I think that's what these guys are trying to "prove" with the outrageous 100pounds (about $200) shipping charges to the US! :)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: dr_no on January 16, 2007, 06:24:50 AM
Let me tell you about the shipping ripoff.

A couple of years or so ago I have ordered AmigaOS 3.9 CD from AnythingAmiga (in Australia). They charged express post fees, so I thought ok, at least I'll get it here in a day or two (I'm in Australia too). Nothing happened for a week or two. I sent e-mail, and they told me that Vesalia is out of stock  :oops:  Hello, anybody home? WTF this guy is thinking I am?  :madashell:

Ok, I say to myself, I'll get over it - wait. After numerous e-mails and promises, I never got the goods I paid for + a very expensive postage.

Eventually I bought an original but used CD from eBay for less than half the price.

I have NOTHING nice to say about AnythingAmiga.  :pissed:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 07:42:20 AM
Wow, that sucks ballz! (you know, the red/white checkered ones!) Imagine if you were on another continent!!! How much is that "express post" fee?

I must say: I'm really getting pissed off at hearing of people selling items they DON'T have, or "mislaid" or "can't find" (Centsisoft seems to do this often according to user feedback). WTF? Don't have it, don't freagging sell it. Some people really need to have their asses kicked..

These aren't the same blokes as the ones on the eBay link, are they?
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: skurk on January 16, 2007, 07:43:30 AM
Sheesh.  I've seen a few of these on ebay myself.  I remember almost bidding on a Cybervision64 card for $60, when I suddently realized the shipping was (more than) $150.

It's the most common way to minimize your fees on ebay.  IIRC, ebay collects a fee based on a certain percentage of your selling amount, not including P&P.

Speaking of ebay, another thing that annoys me are the pyramid schemes out there.  Try searching for "macbook pro", and you'll only end up with lots of "This is not an auction, all bids will be deleted, click here to get your free macbook!" with an affid URL.  Does not belong on a auction site, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 08:29:36 AM
@skurk:

Heh, you're right about the fees, and I can partially understand it, but the problem is when it goes overboard: for example, the CD32 at $300 is a rip-off, because if you see the prices it sells at, they are about half that and below! (I've even seen some for high $80s in the past!) So if the dorks said, look, most of these CD32s sell for around $150, so that's more or less what I'll get. Then make the shipping around $100 and let the rest be bidded or buy-now at $50. But $200 shipping + $100 buy-now. Hell no.

This is much more reasonable for example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-CD32-Console-System-Mint-NIB_W0QQitemZ320071652826QQihZ011QQcategoryZ62054QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD4VQQcmdZViewItem

As for the pyramid schemes, I had no idea! I guess because I already got a Macbook :) Good luck in finding a nice one for yourself! Hint: Apple employees get 15% discount ;-) Start searching your network of friends (ahemmm) :-D
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 08:48:14 AM
Woa, get a load of this:

"Postage via Parcel Force global priority for 6KG, dimensions: H=26cm W=45cm L=58cm is £95.95. That leaves £4.05 which coveres the packaging. I do not appreciate abusive messages sent to via ebay
Thank You"

There was nothing abusive in my email to this freak, unless the word "freagging" is considered abuse these days... All I wrote was:

"No offense, but your shipping price is a compelte RIP OFF! 100 freagging pounds for sending to the US? That's more than the "buy now" price of the box, and believe me the CD32 does NOT weight a ton!"

And can someone explain to me WHY sending a CD32 would require a box of dimensions big enough to fit a human being inside?? He quoted: H=26cm W=45cm L=58cm

Also, can someone just weigh a freagging CD32? There's no way in hell it's 6kg in weight, is there? If it's built like an A2000 it might be :) But I think it's more like an A500. Actually, let's weight my A500: 3.5-4kg and this is on a body-scale (and missing a couple trap-doors and stuff... :-D )
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: dbrads on January 16, 2007, 08:52:07 AM
Hey guys,

 Try shipping anything from the UK, it is expensive, why do you think we call it "ripoff Britain".
Dont flame the seller, it is probably not his fault!!  It is more to do with the size and weight of the item not the value. :-)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: dbrads on January 16, 2007, 09:03:14 AM
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And can someone explain to me WHY sending a CD32 would require a box of dimensions big enough to fit a human being inside?? He quoted: H=26cm W=45cm L=58cm


Small human? must be a kid. Do you have centimeters on your tape measures in the US, maybe you were looking at inches
 :lol:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 09:18:06 AM
@dbrads:

Hahahaha, ok ok, you had to make me say it: I'M A MIDGET! OK??????? Why do the big people always assume we're all the same size? HUH????? Are you satisfied now?


As for the costs, sure England is a rip-off (why does the pound get to be twice the value of a euro or $??), but seriouls mate, I've seen other people ship stuff from the UK and it's certainly not this high. You CANNOT possibly expect me to believe that a CD32 shipped from the UK to the US costs 200, yes that's two HUNDRED, freagging dollars (95 pounds the guy said). And to look at it another way: why are plane rides from the UK to the US the cheapest of all the countries of europe? Shouldn't parcel post be similar? Most parcels also fly across the ocean, no?

Cheers

PS. I don't think I flamed the guy. Not yet anyhow.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on January 16, 2007, 09:26:55 AM
The price looks right if you dont have a Parcelforce Business Account (if you are sending a one off parcel) - verify here: http://www.parcelforce.com/ (click on 'price a delivery').  Prices are based on volumetric weight.

However, there is an International Economy service (not trackable/uninsured) that is less cost again.

However the service the seller is using is a priorty insured service.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Akiko on January 16, 2007, 09:31:04 AM
"why do you think we call it "ripoff Britain"

The CD32 and especially the brick power supply is quite heavy. However to get some idea of costs from here, last year I sent a CD32 to Italy, another European country so you might think postage would be reasonable? Well not exactly, postage for the CD32 and 4 jewel cased games came to over £40! I remember the lady at the post office joking that I could probably buy a cheap flight there myself for same money, she was probably right too!
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 09:42:43 AM
@Amigakit:

That's scary if it's indeed so... Maybe it's because of the priority insured service and all the rest. But still, I remember you told me that the shipping cost wouldn't be so much from the UK, so I could order stuff online from your shop.

Will FexEx, DHL, etc have better rates or the same, you think? Which service do you use?

PS. Good idea to add the new products link in your sig! Got my attention quickly :)


@Akiko:
Man, from what you Brits are saying, that lady most likely was right! It's still rather hard to believe... I've seen other products shipped and it wasn't this ridiculous. Maybe they were using some other courier service or not global priority or whatnot...
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Oli_hd on January 16, 2007, 09:47:48 AM
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And can someone explain to me WHY sending a CD32 would require a box of dimensions big enough to fit a human being inside?? He quoted: H=26cm W=45cm L=58cm

Ermm, have you seen the size of the PS3 or Xbox 360 box, I would say thats about right size wise, I know my CDTV Pro Pack box is massive (CDTV with keyboard, floppy etc), probably more like 75cm by 50 by 50.

As for the cost itself check out ParcelForces website (http://www.parcelforce.com) and use the online calculator, you should get this:

International Datapost    From 2 days    Tracked    £103.35    
Global Priority    From 3 days    Tracked    £95.95    
International Standard    From 5 days    Not Tracked    £95.10    
International Economy    From 28 days    Not Tracked    £74.90

So he was right, And its not just Parcelforce, Heres UPS:

UPS Worldwide Express PlusSM  162.24 GBP*
UPS Worldwide ExpressSM       124.09 GBP*
UPS Express Saver             121.75 GBP*

I really dont think you should be so rude to the guy, how about you find a cheaper way to get it delivered (Say, use http://www.parcel2go.com/ (http://www.parcel2go.com/)) and see if he would ship by that.

Or you could ask just the CD32 to be posted, not the box and padding, which would save postage but is probably not what you would want.
(PS: This unit will be PAL)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on January 16, 2007, 09:54:35 AM
@da9000

We have a business account with a couple of couriers so  costs are reduced because we ship regularly Stateside.

However this seller is sending a one-off parcel so he will pay regular joe-public pricing.

We have found FedEx to be expensive- DHL is the same as Parcel2Go and they are only cost effective if you ship volume with them.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 09:58:35 AM
@Oli_hd:

The dimensions are certainly not small, but so large? I bet an A1200 box is less than 58cm. And my understanding is that CD32 is certainly not as big as an A1200. But I never had one so what do I know?

Yeah, after the other guys mentioned the insanity with British parcel, I can see those prices match... Crazy, still.

Anyways, I don't know if it's worth it with any method. There are other CD32 deals that seem more approachable. I also don't think I was 'so rude' to him because the matter of fact remains that the given shipping rate _is_ a ripoff no matter how you spin it. It's just not his fault, that's the difference. I guess it'd be nice to have that explained in the post, so people don't get shocked by the sheer stupidity of parcel shipping costing almost as much as a flight to the UK and back (sorta like the trip-to-Italy-guy before)

Yes, you're right, it'd be suicidal to have such an expensive package shipped without box/padding/etc. I'm aware of it being PAL, but thank you for making sure ;-)


@Amigakit:
Gotcha. Well, I'm glad you're selling in volume. I'll be helping to keep that going :-) Maybe you wanna buy them CD32s from these guys? :-) And drop that ez-vga price about half-way :-)

Cheers guys and thanks for the "Being a Brit" lessons :-)
Now I'll be more able to make fun of my friends over in the UK (and also avoid coming to, or rather, leaving your country by parcel post :-D)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: dbrads on January 16, 2007, 10:04:43 AM
Also, how many CDs will be included and are they in jewel cases?? could be up to 100!!! how much space/weight would that be :idea:

And, there was a thread recently about stuff arriving damaged due to poor packaging, so maybe this guy is planning to box it up with extra padding for safety... :crazy:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on January 16, 2007, 10:04:52 AM
@da9000

Thanks.

We have a couple of pallets of unboxed CD32 units here from Eyetech so we dont need anymore ATM.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Oli_hd on January 16, 2007, 10:10:07 AM
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We have a couple of pallets of unboxed CD32 units here from Eyetech so we dont need anymore ATM.


Hehe, it always puts a smile on my face when I here things like that (And the Cybergraphics card Softhut found)..
No chance of it being next to a pallet of A4000't's or the Amiga's second coming is there?  :lol:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 10:16:32 AM
@dbrads:

2 CD boxes. I'd hope he'd pack it well!

BTW, I'm not a midget so no offense taken :-)



@Amigakit:

It's good to hear that! Why don't I see them on the site? :-(



@Oli_hd:
Does the second coming consist of an AGA invasion? :-D
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on January 16, 2007, 10:19:25 AM
Only one A4000T - but keeping that to be used for back office work.

Just need to find time to unpack/test each CD32 and make them available on the web store.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
Aha, coolness!
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Akiko on January 16, 2007, 10:26:00 AM
Scrooge McDuckness!  :-P   :-)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 16, 2007, 10:35:40 AM
LOL!

Matthew's nothing like Scrouge. Very nice guy indeed!
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Agafaster on January 16, 2007, 10:55:30 AM
Quote

amigakit wrote:
Only one A4000T - but keeping that to be used for back office work.

Just need to find time to unpack/test each CD32 and make them available on the web store.


if they were in the near vicinity of one o' them nice SX units (1, 32 not fussy) I'd be there like a shot! err... as long as the funds were available of course!

oh - any A1200 accelerators on the horizon ?
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amiga92570 on January 16, 2007, 02:40:42 PM
I sold a couple of these and the shipping was between $40(US) and $70(to europe). That is quite a handling fee. haha
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: ZeBeeDee on January 16, 2007, 03:09:55 PM
I've sent an entire PC setup to the USA for less than that via Parcel2go ... Blatent rip-off from that guy on Ebay!

 
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Kin-Hell on January 16, 2007, 03:15:36 PM
The UK has to be one of the MOST expensive places to ship from in the world. I needed to get a parcel to New York from the UK. It was over 2kg & couldnt be sent International Signed for so it had to be Data post costing £55. (yeah, right!!)
I also got FedEx to quote me. This meant they would pick it up & have it delivered Signed for in 2 days - Cost: £85.00. (ur havin` a f'kin Larf!!)
In the end, a m8 used his Business privelges & it cost me £20.00 & was delivered signed for in 2 days. (tfft!!)

Us Brits know Postage is heavy from the UK, so for all you guys West of the Big Pond, go look at the facts & you can select ANY destination by putting a few lines of data in.

UK Postage Price Finder (http://sg.royalmail.com/portal/rm/PriceFinder;jsessionid=50GTNI5EPL0G4FB2IGGUNZQ;jsessionid=50GTNI5EPL0G4FB2IGGUNZQ?catId=23500532&reset=true&gear=pricingcalc)

Here in the UK, Royal Mail & Parcel Force are better known as "Royal Fail" & "Parcel Farce".  :roll:

Recently, the Royal Mail & Parcel Force both re-structured their Postage rates. Some services are now actually cheaper but our International Rates Still Suck! Another thing you guys West of the Pond need to understand is this!
You guys can get a parcel from the West Coast of USA to the UK in 3 days.....& yet once here in the UK, it took 4 days to travel less than 200 miles to my home. Sure, there was a weekend in-between but ffs!  :lol:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: mikeymike on January 16, 2007, 03:22:13 PM
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All I wrote was:

"No offense, but your shipping price is a compelte RIP OFF! 100 freagging pounds for sending to the US? That's more than the "buy now" price of the box, and believe me the CD32 does NOT weight a ton!"


I'd take that offensively, but then I do business honestly (I have no idea whether this guy does), and I wouldn't take it particularly well if someone claimed that I was doing business dishonestly.

£100 for a 5kg item (let's say for argument) does seem excessive though.  Perhaps he sent it via some expensive post system?  Through normal post here (insurance comes with parcels worth up to £32 with the post office in the UK), I would guess it would cost half that, to the US, but I don't send much to the US, so I can't make any more than an approximate guess.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Kin-Hell on January 16, 2007, 03:27:31 PM
Quote

mikeymike wrote:
Quote
All I wrote was:

"No offense, but your shipping price is a compelte RIP OFF! 100 freagging pounds for sending to the US? That's more than the "buy now" price of the box, and believe me the CD32 does NOT weight a ton!"


I'd take that offensively, but then I do business honestly (I have no idea whether this guy does), and I wouldn't take it particularly well if someone claimed that I was doing business dishonestly.

£100 for a 5kg item (let's say for argument) does seem excessive though.  Perhaps he sent it via some expensive post system?  Through normal post here (insurance comes with parcels worth up to £32 with the post office in the UK), I would guess it would cost half that, to the US, but I don't send much to the US, so I can't make any more than an approximate guess.


No need to guess after my post above yours!  :rtfm:
mikeymike also started his post with "No Offence, but...>"

So why take offence!?...he aint wrong really!  :lol:

*edit*
If you use the link I posted & select a 5Kg parcel to the USA, it's as good as £80.00 & then take into account someone packing it, blah blah blah. £100 isn`t far off tbh & the Price Checker I posted above allows you to fine tune the exact postage costs for amount of Insurance cover, signed for, etc, etc. By the time your package has its arse covered, 5Kg has become a definitive £100 reality.  :-x
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on January 16, 2007, 03:36:06 PM
The problem is that unless the parcel is non-literature (books/letters) then the limit that a Post Office can send is 2KG (4.4Ib).  Also there are size limitations which I think the CD32 box would exceed as well.

So a courier would have to be used.

If you dont have a business contract with a courier- the one-off parcel prices are accurate
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: NoFastMem on January 16, 2007, 05:33:55 PM
Quote

Kin-Hell wrote:
...started his post with "No Offence, but...>"

So why take offence!?...he aint wrong really!  :lol:


No offence, but f**k you.

(See?)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Daedalus on January 16, 2007, 06:22:54 PM
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da9000 wrote:

The dimensions are certainly not small, but so large? I bet an A1200 box is less than 58cm. And my understanding is that CD32 is certainly not as big as an A1200. But I never had one so what do I know?


An A1200 box is huge! Probably close to 100cm wide by 20 high by 50 long... Had one shipped from Northern Ireland (which is the UK) to myself in the Republic (which is not the UK but has a land border to N.I.) and the postage was fairly serious on that, possibly around £30. Bearing in mind that it only had to come 200 miles down the road in a truck it was quite serious. £100 doesn't seem so out-of-the-ordinary for UK shipping (which is ridiculous)...
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: sdyates on January 16, 2007, 06:49:21 PM
Folks in the US must understand that the UK is not as reasonable as the US for many items. If you thinking shipping is expensive, try living there. Here are a few examples: 1 dozen eggs 1.85 to 2.00 pounds, loaf of break 1 to 2 pounds. Petrol (gas) about 1 pound per litre. Oh, and the pay odes not compensate for this either. Do the conversion and you will realise why shipping can be so much.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: alenppc on January 17, 2007, 01:03:32 AM
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sdyates wrote:
Folks in the US must understand that the UK is not as reasonable as the US for many items. If you thinking shipping is expensive, try living there. Here are a few examples: 1 dozen eggs 1.85 to 2.00 pounds, loaf of break 1 to 2 pounds. Petrol (gas) about 1 pound per litre. Oh, and the pay odes not compensate for this either. Do the conversion and you will realise why shipping can be so much.


That's what I was going to say. I bought an A600 from the UK (cause there are none available here) and I paid roughly £50 for the shipping alone. This was just an unboxed A600 with no power supply or any accessories. I don't recall how much I paid for the 600 alone, but I think it was less than the postage.
Anyway, the parcel took bloody ages to be delivered here! I had to wait more than two months! I was alredy getting upset with the seller, but at the end, when the parcel finally arrived I apologized, as it was proven that it wasn't his fault.
He did ship it at the indicated date, and the shipping was quoted correctly (as proven by the postage attached to the parcel). No one could ever explain why it took so long (especially considering it was shipped by airmail), but I was glad to get it at last.

Also, these prices might seem very high, but they are fairly normal to folks who live there as they earn much more money. I mean the minimum wage in the UK is £5.35 which is roughly CDN$12.30!! Wow!!! Over here the minimum wage is usually between $6.50 to $8. That's why the people who work in our UK office earn twice as much as we do, plus they have all sick days paid, lots more vacation time... I really DO envy them. 8-)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: weirdami on January 17, 2007, 01:37:43 AM
It could be in the hundreds of dollars to ship a package from usa to uk if you wanted it there really fast.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: pedro7 on January 17, 2007, 03:00:41 AM
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sdyates wrote:
Folks in the US must understand that the UK is not as reasonable as the US for many items. If you thinking shipping is expensive, try living there. Here are a few examples: 1 dozen eggs 1.85 to 2.00 pounds, loaf of break 1 to 2 pounds. Petrol (gas) about 1 pound per litre. Oh, and the pay odes not compensate for this either. Do the conversion and you will realise why shipping can be so much.


Yeah living here is expensive, but on the plus side the strong pound makes it easier to buy Amiga stuff from abroad  :-) Hmm I wonder what the import export gap is like for amiga stuff.

@alenppc
There are things not to envy too. House prices are ridiculous here. It's stupidly hard buying a first house here unless you earn mega-bucks.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on January 17, 2007, 03:57:12 AM
@Kin-Hell:

Quote

Here in the UK, Royal Mail & Parcel Force are better known as "Royal Fail" & "Parcel Farce".  :roll:


LOL!!! :roflmao: Ingeniously constructed! I guess it's only natural with such terrible rates! If I only knew these terms to begin with! :)))))



@mikeymike:
You shouldn't take it offensively, because just like you "have to guess" at the rates, so did I. If the guy LIVES in the UK, just like all of you, then he SHOULD know that their shipping rates are ridiculous (assuming he's shipping worldwide, which he IS), and should have been ready to hear such things. I had no idea about the UK rates, so I didn't call him any names, all I said is that the price is a rip off. Which no matter what YOU guys say, it really is, because any sort of normalcy (meaning: when comparing with other "developed" nations) will tell you that such a price for shipping is ridiculous. And even if you don't accept that, then please tell me it's not ridiculous to be able to fly from NYC to London for $250 round trip (not in all seasons of course), while shipping a goddamned CD32 takes about the same price! Anyhow, what's done is done, and I didn't continue chastising the chap after that point


@Amigakit:
Interesting facts. Now that I think about it, part of the reason I thought the shipping was so ridiculous is that I have seen smaller packages (I guess now I know that means up to 2kg or 4.4lbs), which come off of the UK, that are quit reasonable in price!! So now I see why I thought this was ridiculous: I was assuming that the same normal rates of the "Post Office" (don't know the formal name for yours) would apply to larger/heavier packages. Obviously that was a bad assumption :-)


@Daedalus:
I just measured it: 23 x 17 x 7 inches or 58.42 x 43.18 x 17.78 cm. :rtfm: I was ON the mark, I said 58 and it's 58 and change. So Daedalus, your wings have melted... 100cm is a bit off. And once again, I don't have a CD32 but from photos I believe it's smaller than the A1200, and so I used this to guess about the shipping rates, before I complained to the guy. It certainly wasn't an impulse reaction.

Of course, little did I know about UK shipping rates...


@sdyates:
Folks in the US certainly to learn that and a whole lot more! (like where place are geographically, for example) :-) But at the same time, and this goes for all dealers on eBay, a good dealer will give as much info to the buyers, including warnings such as "hey, border-control might make this trip longer for X continent" (as pointed by alenppc for UK->Canada), or "hey, UK shipping is stupid, don't expect any less for outside the UK", etc


@alenppc:
Jesus! For a tiny A600?! Damn...
As for envy, I dunno, they might get higher wages, but if you can't go out coz it's rainy and gloomy, what's the point? :-p  Anyways, I'm half-joking here, because I'm in California, and because I know they also get sunny days too (I've seen some fantastic shots of UK scenery even at winter time), and I do want to visit my friends in the UK one day.


@pedro7:
It's not unlike California either... Prices here are absolutely horrendous. I can't find a house that's somewhat ok under < $500,000  It's really stupid :-(


Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Kin-Hell on January 17, 2007, 07:07:27 PM
Quote

NoFastMem wrote:
Quote

Kin-Hell wrote:
...started his post with "No Offence, but...>"

So why take offence!?...he aint wrong really!  :lol:


No offence, but f**k you.

(See?)


Nice Reply!?

& I'm sure if the boot was on the other foot.....

There is always more than one way to see any persons idea of "what is", but I guess this can depend on how narrow one's mind is. ;-)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: alenppc on January 18, 2007, 12:48:31 AM
Quote

pedro7 wrote:

Yeah living here is expensive, but on the plus side the strong pound makes it easier to buy Amiga stuff from abroad  :-) Hmm I wonder what the import export gap is like for amiga stuff.


My point exactly... :-D

Quote

There are things not to envy too. House prices are ridiculous here. It's stupidly hard buying a first house here unless you earn mega-bucks.


Considering that I'll probably never be able to afford a house anyway (unless I buy an igloo close to the North Pole -- I suspect those might be quite cheap :lol:) I wouldn't really mind that... hehe.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: The_Editor on January 18, 2007, 03:49:17 AM
Sending stuff from uk to America costs a fortune. I dunno why.


I just looked through my old pms cozI remembered sending an A.Org member a Roctec Chromakey.

He lives in Australia. I believe the Chromakey weighed about 8kg iirc.



   Ok .. Chromakey has been mailed .

    Cost me £39 airmail.

    You should get it next week sometime.





Hi did get it and I believe he was happy with it too.

It was sent via Parcelforce.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Kin-Hell on January 18, 2007, 05:03:20 PM
Further on & still RE: Shipping Rates from the UK, in particular to the USA ;-), Anyone wanting to Post FROM the UK should check these guys rates out.

 Parcel2Go (http://www.parcel2go.com)

I've had no personal experience with Parcel2Go other than Recieving a Sunroof for a German Sports car. Service was fast over UK mainland. However, I could not imagine it being anymore Farsicle than "Royal Fail" or "Parcel Farce" & by the looks of it, much cheaper too! :roll:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on March 10, 2007, 12:58:29 AM
Further on and still RE:, as Kin-Hell says:

for small packages it seems that rates are much more understandable, or so I think. I actually took some time to look at Royal Fail and found this Airmail page:

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?mediaId=400347&catId=400036

It seems for "small packets" (http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?mediaId=3500027&catId=400036#1400039), it can be sent for under 20 pounds to the USA (Zone 1).

I'm assuming that an Amiga card (even full length), should comfortably fit in a packet that has a max girth of 90cm, with the longest side being 60m and under.

Could the Brits correct me if I made any false assumptions? Also if there's anything really wrong with Airmail, could you tell us? :)
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: weirdami on March 10, 2007, 01:05:47 AM
Depending on how fast you want it, it can be quite expensive to ship overseas. With USPS, to UK, it can easily be over a hundred dollars if you want it within about a week and the weight is over a few pounds. I usually suggest the 4-6 week method when I sell to overseas folks because it's much much cheaper. If you pay that 100 GBP shipping cost, you should expect to get it pretty fast, or else file a complaint or something.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on March 10, 2007, 02:51:14 AM
@weirdami:

I don't think so dude. Check your facts :rtfm:   USPS with EMS (Global Express Mail) is pretty darn fast and very reasonable.

I googled for CD32's weight and got someone's package at 6kg. That's 14lbs, and here's what USPS quoted me for destination UK:

http://ircalc.usps.gov/intl_speed.asp?CID=12062&MailType=package&Pounds=14&Ounces=0

I call EMS pretty darn reasonable: 3-5 Days = $69.30

Just as a refresher, the opposite (UK->US) was quoted at $200. That's 3x the price.

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ANYWAYS, I was not trying to re-open the original subject. I don't care about that anymore. I just wanted to add useful information (the link to Royal Mail's site) to the thread for those looking to ship stuff from the UK to the outside, and of course for those of us in this side of the pond that want to get stuff from the UK at "reasonable" prices.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: weirdami on March 10, 2007, 05:15:53 AM
I like to reply to things twice for the same reason.  :oops:
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: motorollin on March 10, 2007, 08:36:18 AM
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sdyates wrote:
1 dozen eggs 1.85 to 2.00 pounds, loaf of break 1 to 2 pounds. Petrol (gas) about 1 pound per litre. Oh, and the pay odes not compensate for this either. Do the conversion and you will realise why shipping can be so much.

Where the hell did you get those prices from? They're roughly double what you would actually pay in the UK for those items.

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moto
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: jbuonacc on March 10, 2007, 09:35:39 AM
i don't know exactly, but there is something up. it's not just on heavy items like this. i've bought several small items from the UK over the past few weeks, all about the same size/weight. one guy wanted almost 3x as much as everyone else. there's a midi interface up there right now i'm looking at that has a starting price of 10ukp, but will cost me 30ukp to get it here! that's $80, and only if nobody else were to bid on it. could jump to $100 or more pretty quick. from someone else it might cost me $15-30 shipping. what gives? this is money that i'm not able to bid towards the item so i may lose out on something that i would actually pay a lot more for...

 :-?
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: dandelion on March 10, 2007, 10:55:45 AM
Hmmm....I sold (just last week) a piece of RISC OS software to a chap in the States. It was just a single floppy disk that I slipped into a small jiffy envelope so it really didn't weigh very much at all. I'd asked for 2 GBP postage and packaging for within the UK but when I realised the winning bidder was in the States I told him i'd have to hold off with the invoice and get the parcel delivery priced first. Royal Mail wanted (gasp) 1.70 GBP for air mail delivery of this parcel, so I got back to him with the great news that the final price was less than what i'd initially asked for! Apparently this is the "small parcel" service which seems very cheap!
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on March 10, 2007, 12:09:35 PM
@ jbuonacc:

What you described is the exact predicament I'm in. I just want a dinky little card, which I know that in the US would cost less than $10-20 to ship to Europe. Yet if I get this from the UK (coz there ain't no such cards here, arggg), then it'll cost me $60-80 or something... Thus my search for better pricing... This double-standard is annoying..
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: jbuonacc on March 10, 2007, 01:20:38 PM
actually, i'm not even talking about the difference between US>UK and UK>US. i'm talking about two vastly different shipping quotes from two UK sellers for basically that same item. one guy wants 8-12ukp, the other wants 30ukp!! same size/weight just about.
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: Boot_WB on March 10, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
Quote

Kin-Hell wrote:
Further on & still RE: Shipping Rates from the UK, in particular to the USA ;-), Anyone wanting to Post FROM the UK should check these guys rates out.

 Parcel2Go (http://www.parcel2go.com)

I've had no personal experience with Parcel2Go other than Recieving a Sunroof for a German Sports car. Service was fast over UK mainland. However, I could not imagine it being anymore Farsicle than "Royal Fail" or "Parcel Farce" & by the looks of it, much cheaper too! :roll:


But there is no tracking service ith these guys, iirc. That leaves the seller without any protection if the buyer puts in a claim for an item not received with paypal.
Paypal/Ebay are quite clear in their t&cs that international shipping requires a trackable-signed-for service, otherwise the seller is totally unprotected.

EDIT > seems there is a tracking service provided now (I'm sure there didn't used to be :-? )
Still, £38 for all items up to 10kg - not bad compared to parcelfarce, but still pretty expensive.
Regards



Rich
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: da9000 on March 10, 2007, 01:31:35 PM
I fully understood what you said, nonetheless the 30ukp is still sitting like a nail in your eye, ain't it?
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: amigakit on March 10, 2007, 02:46:18 PM
@da9000

What do you need?  Is it something that we stock?
Title: Re: Shipping rip-off from these UK guys
Post by: jbuonacc on March 10, 2007, 08:16:28 PM
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da9000 wrote:
I fully understood what you said...


ahh, sorry. good thing though - after contacting him he cut the shipping in half. still $30 to ship, but far better than $60! some people aren't this reasonable though...