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Title: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: glitch on May 18, 2006, 07:55:58 PM
Check out the "the Amiga 2000 does not need a battery!"

{sigh}

Long link edited by admin (http://cgi.ebay.ca/Commodore-Amiga-2000-System-Completely-Refurbished_W0QQitemZ8813070236QQcategoryZ4598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Tomas on May 18, 2006, 07:59:09 PM
But that is infact true. The a2000 operates just fine without a battery.. The only thing it affect is the battery backed up clock.
I believe the a3000 is the only amiga that stores some other settings using the battery.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: glitch on May 18, 2006, 08:01:15 PM
Yeah, but if you went to the bother of removing the old one - what a 'tard.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: x56h34 on May 18, 2006, 08:02:05 PM
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Tomas wrote:
But that is infact true. The a2000 operates just fine without a battery.. The only thing it affect is the battery backed up clock.
I believe the a3000 is the only amiga that stores some other settings using the battery.


The NVRam SCSI settings are always set to default setting, unless there's a working battery installed in order to keep any changes that you've made to SCSI settings after powering off your A3000.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 18, 2006, 08:03:13 PM
I have to admit, it's a pretty nice 2000.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Lando on May 18, 2006, 08:03:59 PM
What does it say on the front of that machine? (something)drive?  What is that?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Tricky on May 18, 2006, 08:04:40 PM
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Tomas wrote:
But that is infact true. The a2000 operates just fine without a battery.. The only thing it affect is the battery backed up clock.
I believe the a3000 is the only amiga that stores some other settings using the battery.


I wish my A1200 would stop randomly deciding it's the year 2000 instead of 1978... it crashes ProTracker!
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Tomas on May 18, 2006, 08:06:09 PM
I found this one more funny:
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   Q:   Hi there, How much would it cost to ship this item to Wisconsin, in zip 53534-9331?
Between $30 to $40. An Amiga 2000 computer is very heavy because of its high quality construction.

 :-)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: glitch on May 18, 2006, 08:16:43 PM
It says "SupraDrive" indicating it had a Supra HD controller installed.  Just a sticker...
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TjLaZer on May 18, 2006, 08:55:58 PM
Yeah the Amiga does not need a battery.  I install the lithium hack in mine though, might as well.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Amiduffer on May 18, 2006, 09:07:11 PM
 :lol:  That's the cheeziest "music" i've ever heard to go along with an ebay auction.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: tonyvdb on May 18, 2006, 09:22:55 PM
I like the statment he has and I quote:

"The Amiga 2000 is the highest quality and best built of all the Amiga models. More hardware and software was produced for the Amiga 2000 series then any other Amiga model, including the Amiga 500 and 1200. Because of the Video Toaster, because more professionals bought the Amiga 2000 series more then any other Amiga model, and because the Amiga 2000 was in such high demand in America that Commodore could not kill its production, the Amiga 2000 was and always has been Commodore's main Flagship Amiga model (not the Amiga 4000 like some of you seem to think"

Particularly the part about the Video Toaster The Toaster 4000 outsold the Toaster 2000 when it was released and the Amiga 4000 went with it.

I would have to dissagree that the 2000 was the best built and commodores "flagship" as I truly think that the A3000T was. I know so many people that had bought the A500 far more then the A2000.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Wain on May 18, 2006, 09:30:48 PM
hmmm....


Doomy's left-handed.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Leifern on May 18, 2006, 10:07:07 PM
Hi,

Well, this has nothing to do with anything, but i was reading through RetroGeek's feedback and several people says they've called "her" and reminded "her" to ship the item. So RetroGeek is Doomy.. That would make Doomy i woman..?!? I thought the picture was of "him"!

Wierd to put that idiot picture on every auction if it's not actually the person selling the item.. I wouldn't deal with that grinning {bleep}..!! :-P
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Plaz on May 18, 2006, 10:23:10 PM
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people says they've called "her" and reminded "her" to ship the item


I have a male tenor voice, and have been called "mam" or "miss" on the phone before. So you can't be too sure. If Doomy is male, he probably enjoys the confusion. If Doomy is female, that make for an ever stranger picture for me. When things are slow around here, another Doomy thread is always a nice short diversion.

Plaz
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Wain on May 19, 2006, 09:27:06 PM
The long running doomy account was originally called "Spenceranne", with many ebay transactions involving jewelry.  It was speculated to be shared by a girlfriend or wife.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Vincent on May 19, 2006, 09:31:31 PM
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Wain wrote:
It was speculated to be shared by a girlfriend or wife.

:roflmao:

I say it was his mum's account :-P
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: weirdami on May 19, 2006, 09:34:37 PM
@Leifern

He might be putting that picture on there for our benefit because every time he does an auction, someone on here posts a link to it.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: on May 19, 2006, 10:16:55 PM
While I understand the viewpoint that by posting these links, you're helping others to avoid doing business with him, the flipside is that you're providing him with free advertising and encouraging people to get ripped off by him.

I don't know which is the lesser of two evils, but I hate seeing him get free advertising on Amiga.org...

Wayne
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: ricco32097 on May 19, 2006, 10:53:40 PM
I used to doubt all the rumors surrounding this person. Then one day, after being promised a free CD-ROM with some old software that he was going to throw out, he decided that I had to pay shipping and handling fees. I know shipping is not free, but a handling fee for doing somebody a favor. And to charge $20 for an old CD is really not a favor.

There has been too many bad experiences, and too few comfortable ones that I believe we need to stay away from this person.

I am with Wayne on this one. But I also believe that we need to warn everybody about this person and other scammers.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: WOWZER on May 19, 2006, 11:24:48 PM
Unfortunatly being new or to be more precise, coming back to the Amiga scene. I probaly made a mistake by purchasing a starboard 2 for my Amiga 1000 from him.

Have not recieved it yet  :-?

Reading his feedback, there seems to be some issues with delayed shipping and other disputes. I was also concerned about buying something from him based on that picture.

As far as if "he" is a man or woman, there is a female name attached to his ebay name as well "Donna"
That was what was on one of the emails I recieved from ebay about my item
Hope I get it!

WOWZER
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Olecranon on May 20, 2006, 12:38:01 AM
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WOWZER Wrote:

Reading his feedback, there seems to be some issues with delayed shipping and other disputes. I was also concerned about buying something from him based on that picture.


The email I have for "him" says his name is George Campbell.

I bought a SupraDrive scsi A500 controller from him a little over a month ago and it hasn't arrived.  He's had the money since 4/26/06 (maybe earlier) and said it would be shipped out "soon".  On 5/17/06 he said it will be shipped out this week.  We'll see when it gets here.  I paid $10.00 for the item and $15.00 for shipping and handling  :roll:

In any event, he is slowwwwwwww.  If your in a hurry, look elsewhere.

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Methuselas wrote:

I have to admit, it's a pretty nice 2000


Its OK....  Definately not worth the $152 it went for  :-o
I'd actually be surprised if this system had a hard drive installed.  He makes no mention of one in the auction ad.  If it had a hard drive installed, there would probably be another paragraph in the description explaining how the drives made in the late 1980's were made with high quality construction.  There is also no mention of any OS or Kickstart revision.

Someone probably paid $150 for a stock KS 1.3 A2000 that was blown out with canned air and cleaned with windex.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 01:08:14 AM
Hey, I'm not saying I would buy it, nor should anyone else. I know who Doomy is.   ;-)

I was just saying it's nice. A shame that it's in his hands. It deserves a better owner.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Olecranon on May 20, 2006, 01:33:18 AM
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by Methuselas on 2006/5/19 19:08:14

Hey, I'm not saying I would buy it, nor should anyone else. I know who Doomy is.  

I was just saying it's nice. A shame that it's in his hands. It deserves a better owner.


I hear ya.  Some of the A2000's I've seen on ebay recently look like they've been sitting in a landfill for the past 20 years.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 01:39:41 AM
Yup. Being a former A2000 owner, that depresses me.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on May 20, 2006, 04:19:01 AM
No offence to anyone posting in this thread, but I (yes, even me, who was once accused of being a 'doomy obsessive':lol:) do find  these threads  :horse:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 04:26:41 AM
Who cares about Doomy? We all just want to get that A2000 to a good home and away from the evil that is.....


The DoomMaster.



 :-D

OOps.. He did capitalize the 'M' in master, didn't he? :-o  :lol:

That and I figured he's got to have run out of Amiga stuff, by now? I mean, is he opening a portal that has an endless supply of mil-spec Amiga parts?

Could it be that the DoomMaster is actually a diciple of darkness and using Ebay as an excuse to get the addresses of hapless victims, to be used in a mass, ritual summoning of Yog Soggoth?


:idea:
 :-D


[EDIT] Oh sh!t! This was my 1001th post. I just hit Defender of the Faith and it only took me 4 years, 3 months and 3 days.


Damn....I'm slow.  :lol:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on May 20, 2006, 04:33:27 AM
Well, have a :pint: to celebrate



any excuse for a beer!! :-D
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 04:42:58 AM
Actually, I'm drinking a margarita. ;)


CHEERS!
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on May 20, 2006, 04:49:03 AM
Well its 4.45 here in Blighty, so I'm enjoying a nice cup o' tea with milk (and I'm also wearing a bowler hat). Already done the 'drink too many ales after work, pass out, wake up on someone's sofa at 3am and walk through town in the pissing rain' routine. Yep, its nearly June and its raining :roll:

But I'll have a beer for you this evening :-D



p.s. I'm not really wearing a bowler hat, but I wish I owned one!
 
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 05:03:31 AM
Actually, I kinda miss those days. I never go out anymore. Probably 'cos I'm in my 30's now. :-D


Enjoy that beer! I like the darker kinds, myself.

What *IS* a bowler hat??
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on May 20, 2006, 05:27:44 AM
(http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Ideas/Album/RoyalAscot/BowlerHat.jpg)

The reason I mentioned it is cos I thought a cup of tea and a bowler hat would fit in with the English stereotype.

As for not going out anymore cos you're in your 30s, well I'm not far away from 30, and I feel as if I'm getting too old for all of this  :-(
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Methuselas on May 20, 2006, 05:29:38 AM
HAHAHAHAHA I had one of those!!!


I don't remember WHERE I picked it up, but that was my fashion statement my freshman year in high school. During my 'Pretty In Pink' days. I was a big fan of the Duck Man.

I think I need to buy me a new 1200 from Amikit. That will make me feel young again.  :-P  :-P  :-P

I've never had milk with my tea. My birth Mum's Mother does, but she's from Ireland originally, but moved to Canada. I'm the first gen American.  :-D Well, on my Mum's side. My birth father's native american.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cldrnbrn on October 10, 2006, 10:25:41 PM
Hi new to the forum and this one is probably dead by now but thought I'd post my 2c on RetroGeek.  I started noticing this fool awhile ago, first on Craigslist then later on Ebay.  I imagine he gets the bulk of his items on Craiglist because I always see him posting there begging for Amiga stuff.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 11, 2006, 12:24:04 AM
I love banning him from my auctions and reading his emails/threats.  LOL
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: B00tDisk on October 11, 2006, 12:37:07 AM
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TheMagicM wrote:
I love banning him from my auctions and reading his emails/threats.  LOL


Oh dude you have GOT TO post some of them!
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 11, 2006, 04:53:33 AM
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weirdami wrote:
@Leifern

He might be putting that picture on there for our benefit because every time he does an auction, someone on here posts a link to it.


He tried to sell that keyboardless A1000 3x before giving up :)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 11, 2006, 04:55:11 AM
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B00tDisk wrote:
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TheMagicM wrote:
I love banning him from my auctions and reading his emails/threats.  LOL


Oh dude you have GOT TO post some of them!


Hrm a lot of the eBay feedback says he gets vulgar. :(
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 11, 2006, 05:10:01 PM
yea he does get vulgar..but I have no problem replying in return.  I wont post the emails here but I"ll dig a few up and put them on my website.  I've wanted to create a Amiga page but my site is mostly for important stuff like drag racing/family stuff..  I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 11, 2006, 05:12:05 PM
No point in playing the vulgarity game. It only makes one look as bad as the other.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 11, 2006, 06:13:04 PM
Wow -- this guy is a real treat!

Thanks for posting this. There are far too many negative comments, and even some of the positive comments are not great, and 2 to 8 weeks delivery! Wow! Who does that any more -- not even time life!

It sounds like he posts information and intentionally leaves out critical information.

Again, I appreciate the warning.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Nitro on October 11, 2006, 06:21:28 PM
Wow he got US $152.50 for it.
I have 3 and I wish I could get that much for them.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 11, 2006, 08:39:04 PM
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No point in playing the vulgarity game. It only makes one look as bad as the other.



not in my eyes.  It depends on who's right and who's wrong.  I prefer to fight fire with fire.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 11, 2006, 08:50:34 PM
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TheMagicM wrote:
not in my eyes.  It depends on who's right and who's wrong.  I prefer to fight fire with fire.


Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

2nd Peter 2:11
yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: keropi on October 11, 2006, 08:59:16 PM
it is funny to see what things he buys...
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 11, 2006, 09:18:22 PM
gdanko:

I'm not that much of a bible thumper so that doesnt really do anything for me.  sorry.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 11, 2006, 09:20:18 PM
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TheMagicM wrote:
gdanko:

I'm not that much of a bible thumper so that doesnt really do anything for me.  sorry.


Not trying to do anything for you. Enjoying the Bible does not make one a "thumper". You are stereotyping.

Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 11, 2006, 09:24:32 PM
I didnt imply you were a bible thumper, just letting you know I wasnt.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: ricco32097 on October 12, 2006, 01:13:04 AM
It is amazing how this freak can get away with selling on E-Bay.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 13, 2006, 10:18:25 PM
Neew here, just thoughtI'd add my 2 cents since I recently had an encounter with this creep. I bid on an A500 he was selling. At the time I bid it was selling for approximatly $25-not too bad. However, shortly after, I found another 500 selling for slightly less. Not only that, but it also looked like it was in better shape than the one RetroGeek was selling, and it also came with several accesories that his did not. Well, needless to say, I bid on it, and so needed to cancel my bid on the RetroGeek 500. It took an entire day of going back and forth with him via e-mail to get my bid canceled. Finally, with less than 30 minutes remaining on the auciton, he canceled my bid. Probably because I warned him that if he sold it to me he was going to get 0, whereas he could at least get something out of it from the runner up.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: on October 13, 2006, 10:40:16 PM
@Bgary,

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd be forced to take his side on the situation you described.  eBay auction bids are a commitment to purchase and do not include the ability to "back out just because you found a better deal".  The fact that he let you off the hook is luck for you.

Wayne
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 13, 2006, 11:23:11 PM
I'm not complaining that he let me off the hook-I'm complaining about the shady way he did it.

BTW, given this guy's knack for selling crappy stuff, how could you possibly blame me for wanting out?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 13, 2006, 11:37:53 PM
Maybe he needs anger management courses.. Or maybe he has Tourette's?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 14, 2006, 03:38:37 AM
You know what, I was just looking through my messages to Retrogeek, and I rembered that I didn't want out just to bid on another 500. I wanted out because I found out after placing my bid that he doesn't accept Paypal! I had no money outside of my Paypal account, and I told him that I wouldn't be able to pay if I won the auction. His response? Paypal sucks! Of course, I tried to explain to him the convienence of Paypal (especially for someone whose operating a storefront), but I'm sure it probably fell on deaf ears. Was I still at fault? Probably. I assumed that since he was operating a store he would take Paypal, which most do. But in my opinion he's at fault too because he asked for cash payment, and I think everyone knows that sending cash in the mail is not exactly the safest method there is.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: on October 14, 2006, 03:48:36 AM
@BGary335,

Not trying to defend him.  The thought of me defending him is even humorous.  It's a simple misunderstanding.  In the original message I replied to, you simply stated that you had changed your mind.  If that were the case, I would stand correct.  Since it's not the case, I stand corrected.

Wayne
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: A3kGT on October 16, 2006, 07:06:06 PM
I recently fell out of a job. leaving me really low on the green stuff. I had to sell off one of my most prized possesions. my Amiga 3000 desktop. 4megs ram on daughter board (please forgive me I don't know what one it was) 4 megs fast mem and 2 megs slow. 16mhz 030. nice box. but the power bottom assembly was a little messed up. Anyways It was on Ebay. RetroGeek messaged me. Saying that it was no where near what I thought it was worth. I paid 250$ for it back in '98. I was wanting to get something back from this Amiga. I needed money. anyways. I'll post up some emails this "retro geek" sent me.

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Add star  Kevin Wettengel Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 7:01 PM
To: George Campbell
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35$ is way not enough. a guy in Seattle is willing to pay me 75$

Add star  George Campbell Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 9:11 PM
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Did you inform him that the battery has leaked and discolored the motherboard?  Did you also tell the guy that the case is scratched on top and that no keyboard and mouse is included?  My offer still stands.  If the person in Seattle is stupid enough to pay you more, then you should sell it to him.
 

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    From: Kevin Wettengel
    To: George Campbell
    Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:01 PM
    Subject: Re: Question for item #330024980793 - Amiga 3000 desktop 10megs ram 52megHD

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Add star  Kevin Wettengel Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 7:25 AM
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Ofcourse I told the other guy.  I am not a lier. I have seen these A3000's go for alot more on ebay in same or worse shape. I will not get ripped off.

Add star  George Campbell Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 11:49 AM
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Is that why it only sold for $41 on eBay?  I will not be ripped off either.
 

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    From: Kevin Wettengel
    To: George Campbell
    Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:25 AM
    Subject: Re: Question for item #330024980793 - Amiga 3000 desktop 10megs ram 52megHD

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Add star  Kevin Wettengel Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 2:16 PM
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I am sorry. But it did not sell... Maybe  you should pay a little better attention to detail. Sorry.
I would get a keyboard and mouse for my Amiga. but unfortunately the keyboard alone would cost me 40$ and a mouse is 20$ maybe. So There is no way I'll sell it to anyone for the cost of a keyboard or mouse. But if I could sell for the 75$ then it becomes worth it to me. You suck. the end.

Add star  George Campbell Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 11:44 PM
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Kevin,
 
You are mistaken.  It would have sold for that amount if you did not have a reserve amount set.  So, your auction only proved that I am right and that your Amiga 3000 computer is not worth what you think it is worth.
 
An Amiga 3000 keyboard and pregnant mouse are worth more then the Amiga 3000 computer because they are much harder to find.  A bare bones Amiga 3000 is not worth that much.  Now, if your Amiga 3000 computer had Kickstart 3.1 roms, Buster revision 11, WD SCSI Chip revision 08, 16 megabytes of ZIP memory chips, and no leakage from the battery, then it would be worth between $100 to $135.  Also, the case on your Amiga 3000 computer is scratched.  This greatly decreases the computers value.  No keyboard and mouse also greatly decreases its value.
 
Actually, YOU SUCK !!!!
 
Sincerely,
Hans George Campbell
The RetroGeek
 
http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com
 

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    To: George Campbell
    Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:16 PM
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Add star  Kevin Wettengel Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:16 AM
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Dude. don't tell me how much my Amiga is worth. The guy in Seattle is going to buy it for what I had my reserve set for. He just missed his chance to bid. I really wish that you would stop low balling people on thier Amiga's. I mean is this how you get your stuff?
I have seen a couple A3000's go on ebay (DEAD ones mind you) for 50$.
Sorry Dude. No Amiga for you. Maybe I'll just tell the guy I sold it to the next highest bidder and just take an AXE to it. I have two A500's still in box with TV adaptors. Maybe I'll just throw them in the fire because I guess they are worthless because the casings is yellowed a bit. dang Junk..
*douses his amiga's in brakkleen and lights a match*

I will have pics to prove this too.. We'll see who's sorry then.
This is what happens when you low ball me.
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Add star  George Campbell Wed, Sep 13, 2006 at 12:51 AM
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I am not trying to "low ball" you.  I am only stating facts.  BTW, Amiga 500 computers that have yellowed are junk.  The value of an Amiga is greatly reduced if it is yellowed.
 
I personally own 2 Amiga 2500s, 3 Amiga 2000s, 1 Amiga 3000, 2 Amiga 1200s, 3 Amiga 1000s, 8 Amiga 500s, and an Amiga CD32.  All of them are in pristine mint, like new condition.  I also have a whole closet full of Amiga boards, chips, drives, and some very rare Amiga items.  I also happen to be the owner of one of the few remaining Amiga dealers in the world.  RetroGeek Computers will continue to repair and support the Amiga and Atari ST computers for the next 30 years.  So, when it comes to the Amiga, you would be wise to shut your mouth and listen to what I have to say.  I actually do know what I am talking about.
 
Now, take your Amiga 3000 computer and shove it up your ass.  If you use enough Vaseline, it should fit nicely.

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                  This ends the Emails that were sent.

that last one I sent was just me saying I would do that. I would NEVER actually do that.  And the Guy from Seattle. Very nice man. paid me what I was asking. I thank him alot. I needed the money badly. And I hope he's having fun with my old system.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 16, 2006, 07:15:27 PM
Wow that settles it. He DOES get vulgar. Too bad.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: B00tDisk on October 16, 2006, 07:43:58 PM
Ahh...delicious psychopathy.  And outright dishonesty.

If it makes you feel any better (?) then know that more than one niche hobby has people like this: you should see what the rare/out-of-print Dungeons & Dragons RPG trade is like! :-P  :roll:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 16, 2006, 07:47:19 PM
He sent me ane-mail the other day regarding that A500 I almost bought from him. Oh by the way, the A500 he sold went for something like $75, maybe even more than that, and it was not in great shape. I saw several others in much better shape. anyway, back to the e-mail, he got very vulgar with me also, so no surprise there.

By the way, maybe it's just me, but I consider some yellowing normal for computers that in many cases are 20+ YEARS OLD!
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on October 16, 2006, 07:52:45 PM
:@ A3kGT

The return of Doomy! :lol:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 16, 2006, 07:55:05 PM
my emails from him are more entertaining.


@A3kGT:
it would be much easier to read if you deleted out all the ebay trailers etc etc.



Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: B00tDisk on October 16, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
@TheMagicM

POOOOOOOOOST THEEEEEEEEEM! :-D
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 12:42:09 AM
Anyone notice this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-Amiga-500-Computer-RARE-VERSION_W0QQitemZ150048139804QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4598QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)? Is it really possible that this system is as rare as he claims it to be?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: odin on October 19, 2006, 12:57:00 AM
:-o (http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=59) Could it be.......that tjlazer is doomy? :lol:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: uncleted on October 19, 2006, 01:11:56 AM
The earlier A500s had a Commodore key.  I don't think they're that rare.  The Amiga 500 I had back in the day had a Commodore key and I think my friend's had the same.

It's probably pretty hard to describe any Amiga 500 as rare except for the special editions.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 01:22:39 AM
@odin
LOL.

@BGary:
no, its just a plain Amiga 500, just a clean one.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 01:23:46 AM
I kind of had a feeling he was probably up to his usual tactics of making something out to be more than it really is.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TjLaZer on October 19, 2006, 01:46:18 AM
LOL

I am NOT Doom Master!  I am TJLAZER!!!  :P

I think the flagship Amiga computer is the A4000 ;)

:rtfm:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TjLaZer on October 19, 2006, 01:55:56 AM
@A3kGT

Well I hate to admit it but I am on Doomys side on this one.  Actually he was quite descent on his correspondance to you until you attacked him first!  (ie "you suck")  I read the whole thing and he is right, that A3000 is NOT worth $75, especially in questionable condition and leaky battery!  (see my pic gallery, a leaky batt will ruin an Amiga I bet your Amber display is messed up or worse, I got lucky but had to do repairs)  Can you sell it for more than $35?  Maybe but there is no reason to attack him first.  My two cents...
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: A3kGT on October 19, 2006, 03:29:15 AM
Wow TjLazer....


My old 3000 ran perfectly fine.
the battery had corrosion on it, but I never let it hit the main board. I always cleaned that crap off. Amber display? I haven't had one of those since I went to Amiga from 8088 systems.

I have phoned this RetroGeek guy last summer, and he had been harsh to me over the phone. I was calling him to see if he had an OS for sale or roms to upgrade my amiga with... He just told me that I should donate my old commodore stuff to him. I hung up on his ass.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Damion on October 19, 2006, 03:33:27 AM
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Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 03:54:26 AM
All I know is I feel sorry for the poor guy who falls for all the hype he's made over this supposedly rare 500 he's trying to sell. For the record, I was looking through my A500 manual, and it actually makes mention of the Commodore key. It just says that it is functionally the same as the Amiga key found on the majority of 500's. It doesn't mention any particular reason why some have Commodore key's, and it doesn't say that it makes those 500's any more special than the rest.

As for the Commodore emblem, the 500 I just bought has something I've never seen before-it doesn't even have the Commodore emblem! Instead, it has the words Commodre A-500. Wonder if I could make a hundred bucks by hyping it up on Ebay? :-D  :roll:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 04:20:20 AM
Having read the email thread, it looks like retrogeek was baited with a few you Suck, so his comments back should be taken in the same light.

This guy opporates a store front. A business will always buy items for about half their street value. Otherwise, how else will they make their money.

I must admit, he has good marketing write ups. Nothing wrong with that.

two to eight weeks is a long time, but if it was specified, then why did the buyer not ask about it. When I want something, I always ask for shipping price and time and sometimes pay more for faster shipping. I have also bartered the shipping rate before ;)

I am curious. For those that have bought from him, has the item ever had trouble?

Just my two cents,
S
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 04:28:32 AM
Its not a real store front. Search Ebay stores-he won't come up, because he's not an Ebay store. He just dresses his auction pages up to look like store fronts.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 04:38:19 AM
What I mean to say is that he is trying to function as a business.

However, image is everything and not taking pay pal makes life much more difficult.

I am having trouble understanding the 93.6% -- I strongly believe that the number could be much higher if he just accepted pay pal and shipped much quicker.

I aim to ship the next day and always provide a shipping number and updates, though I must admit, pay pal and ebay together does add up on the fees...

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BGary335 wrote:
Its not a real store front. Search Ebay stores-he won't come up, because he's not an Ebay store. He just dresses his auction pages up to look like store fronts.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 04:42:18 AM
In my first few ebay items, I padded the cost of shipping/handling a bit of help offset a poor bid session. I received some bad feedback. I have since stated that shipping is free over a certain value to help spur bidding.

I have never received anything lower than a positive, but getting great feedback is important so I changed the way I went about things.

I hope retrogeek is doing the same. There were periods that he received very good feedback.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 04:45:54 AM
I absolutley agree with you 100%. I've personally complained to him about his non-acceptance of Paypal. Know what he told me? Paypal SUCKS! That is exactly what he told me. I tried to explain to him the convienence of Paypal (especially when your trying to run a store front), but I'm sure it all fell on deaf ears. That's one reason his so-called storefront is anyting but. Anyone really trying to run a succesful store front would accept any method of payment without thinking twice. Very rarely do you find regular Ebay sellers that don't accept Paypal nowadays, so you know your dealing with a schister (sp?) when your dealing with a store front that doesn't accept Paypal.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: lopos on October 19, 2006, 11:42:17 AM
Why anybody would buy an item from retrogeek is beyond me.
Have a look at his feedback and his replies.--->
Linky (http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=retrogeek001&v=60)
The reason he doesn't accept paypal is because he probably is banned from havening an account with them. :-D
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: JaXanim on October 19, 2006, 12:39:18 PM
For insights into the mind of the man visit Doomy's Forum (http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/phpBB2/index.php).

[EDIT: 'So they built in a safeguard.'
.......'What's that?'
.......'Thirty-year lifespan.']
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 01:30:38 PM
I have been beat up on here before because of my shipping rates. In hindsight, I should have used reserves and other tools and realise that free shipping will help me get a better bid than higher shipping.

I read a lot of comments. The ones about long time to receive, well, if it was mentioned in the ad I see no issue here as it was stated. Is 7 weeks too long, sure I think so, but it's not an issue if it was stated between 2 to 8 weeks.

He has also received a lot of positive replies and there are many very good replies there too. So if I remove the ones about poor shipping, then I looked at the rest: there were a lot of relies that were worded in a way that had me wonder about the person complaining. Well worded negative replies set off far more alarm bells that those that appear to be written by an angry teenager that did not get his way.

I was interested in one item he has for sale. So I wrote a well worded responce asking for information. I will post the excerpt which addresses pay pal:

From retrogeek (Doomy)
"Not long ago, back when I was mainly selling vintage toys, I accepted all sorts of payments.  I accepted cash, money orders, personal checks, bank checks, just about any form of payment you can think of. Then two buyers ripped me of by issuing a stop payment after they received their item.  eBay did not do a thing about it.  One guy bid on and won a rare vintage black GI Joe for $428.00.  He mailed me a bank money order.  When I received the money order, I deposited it into my bank account and shipped the guy his black GI Joe.  After he received it, he issued a stop payment on the bank money order and kept the rare black GI Joe.  I did not find out about it until the following Friday.  I went in to deposit more checks and was told that my account was in the negative.  Another person bid on and won a rare Matchbox Model of Yesteryear for $331.00. The same thing happened.  After he received the item, he issued a stop payment and kept the car.  The two items were stolen from me and I lost all of that money, eBay did not do anything about it.  After that, I swore it would never happen again.  So, now I only accept forms of payment that can not be stopped (cash, Postal money order, or a check from either US Bank or Wells Fargo Bank, I can cash these without getting my bank involved).  I do not accept PayPal because the charges can be reversed or disputed after a person get the item."

I just don't like to see a person beat up too much on a weak case. I would say that his 93.6 is more like 97.6.

Just my two cents,
S

Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 02:07:16 PM
After the attitude I've gotten from him, I think his feedback ought to be lower. I think that whole story is bunk to be quite honest. You can't stop a Paypal payment. Only a person who doesn't know better would believe that you can. If RetroGeek had any brains, he'd deposit the money order and make sure it clears BEFORE sending the item. Maybe I'm the one without brains, but that just seems to me to be the common sense way to do business on Ebay. If he's getting beat up, its because he's kicking himself in the butt by not operating the way he should.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 02:49:24 PM
I dont fault him for not taking Paypal.  Paypal does suck.

I had TWO people defraud me of my item and my money through Paypal so now everbody suffers.  One person was allegedly a "Judge" from New York.. (but lives in a apartment?  guess they dont pay the judges enough up there)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 02:59:28 PM
Paypal will refund your money in such situations. Just one of many reasons why it does not suck.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TjLaZer on October 19, 2006, 03:13:55 PM
@sdyates

I agree with you, some people will just complain and leave negative if everything is not perfect in their little world.  I also have had several negs for stupid reasons.  Oh well such is life...
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 03:54:37 PM
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Paypal will refund your money in such situations. Just one of many reasons why it does not suck.


You dont have enough experience with Paypal then.

I sold a Amiga 4000 Toaster setup on ebay. He paid with credit card that was registered through Paypal.  He said that the system was never recieved and "may be damaged" because the box was beat up.  Well long story short the A4000 works (I did some research and found out he was a member of a Amiga club in NY which has a online message forum. lol.. so I registered as a Amiga user for NY and chatted with him via email, incognito. LOL)  But he told his CC company that it was never recieved/and/or broken.. but Paypal knew he had it and it worked because of his emails between he and I (I BCC'd them).  So his CC company refunded his money to his card and demanded the money from Paypal which they (paypal) had to pay back.  So now he has a A4000 Toaster system for free.  Luckily as soon as the funds were there I withdrew them.  Paypal tried to tell me to refund the money but I didnt and never heard from them again.

Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 05:08:23 PM
@TheMagic

I am glad to hear these stories which helps us remember that there is a risk to transfering money online. I wonder if the toaster guy ever got charged? Did you ever tell him your true identity?

I recently discontinued my bank from Pay Pal because I did not like the idea of an organisation having unlimited access to my account: what if someone somehow stole my password?

At least credit cards offer better protection.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on October 19, 2006, 05:14:07 PM
(http://www.retrogeekcomputers.com/phpBB2/images/avatars/200256378844964be0be6ed.gif)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: lopos on October 19, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
Why would you buy an item and wait 2 to 8 weeks for it to be delivered? :-? It's way to long IMO.
Maybe it's normal in the USA but not where I live.  
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 19, 2006, 05:27:55 PM
@lopos

I don't wait that long for shipping. I always confirm shipping details and not just the cost. I will pay more to have it shipped faster. My cybervision would have taken two weeks. I asked for better shipping and got it in 4 days.

Seriously, a buyer must take some responsibility. If it says 2-8 weeks and it is too long, either negotiate for better or walk away. Where is the sense in complaining after it took so long?

I prefer the path of least resistance. Sometimes I will ask as many as four emails before bidding.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 05:34:36 PM
The problem though is that no matter how fast you want it to be shipped, you can never guarantee that the seller is going to ship it out as quick as he says it is. In this case, Retrogeek sits on his business for that length of time. That's why it takes that long. If he were to move his packages out same day ornext day like most sellers do, it would take a wekk tops, not this 2-8 weeks crap.

As for Paypal, you were just unlucky. If you can furnish proof to Paypal thata sale was made, they will go after the buyer, and ifneed be shut his account down. apparently I'm not the one who lacks experience with Paypal (whoever said that).
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Damion on October 19, 2006, 06:17:32 PM
Something I read stated that PayPal will only refund your money from a fradulent sale *if* the seller has money in his PayPal account, otherwise you're SOL. Anyone know how true that is? (I use PayPal out of convenience BTW, but reading that was a little unsettling.)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 06:38:15 PM
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As for Paypal, you were just unlucky. If you can furnish proof to Paypal thata sale was made, they will go after the buyer, and ifneed be shut his account down. apparently I'm not the one who lacks experience with Paypal (whoever said that).


I'm the one who said you lack Paypal experience.  Plenty of proof was shown but because I shipped it on the 8th day not the 7th day I was not covered by Seller Protection policy so they told me I owe them.  But over the phone they acknowledged that he has the computer and its working.


@sdyates:
No I did not let him know who I was..I just wanted to get the truth out of him.. I didnt lose any money but he did get something for free.  The whole time we talked he made himself out to look like a hardcore Toaster user, knew what he was getting etc.  But after reading his replies to Paypal and on the NY Amiga users group, he didnt know what he had or how to use it.

@-D-
If you're wondering if Paypal can go into your REAL account (ie. bank account) to get money you OWE for whatever reason (like my situation), NO they CANNOT.  Trust me, I "owe" $400  :lol:


The only real way to protect yourself online is to pay with a credit card because usually the CC company will reimburse you if you're ripped off, but it works both ways.
Money orders?  Nah..I was ripped off by a Connecticuit (sp) ebayer selling me a A1200.

http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/webfilez/5000smiles_bad.htm
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 08:23:41 PM
That's your fault then, is it not? If you would've shipped it when you were supposed to, you wouldn't have had a problem.

Money orders are the worst way to pay in my opinion. I like Paypal the best because of its convienence. I buy alot of Buy It Now stuff, and you can't do that without Paypal. And as a seller I would very much prefer Paypal over any other payment method. Using Paypal for selling actually helps me to avoid being taken. When people pay with Paypal, they usually do so instantly. If a few days go by and I haven't been paid, I know I won't be getting paid, and I can take the proper course of action right then and there.

And I beg to differ about Paypal not being able to go into your bank account. They've already done it to me several times. If you use a bank accouunt with Paypal, they WILL take money from it when you owe them.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Damion on October 19, 2006, 09:21:12 PM
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@-D-
If you're wondering if Paypal can go into your REAL account (ie. bank account) to get money you OWE for whatever reason (like my situation), NO they CANNOT.  Trust me, I "owe" $400  :lol:


The only real way to protect yourself online is to pay with a credit card because usually the CC company will reimburse you if you're ripped off, but it works both ways.
Money orders?  Nah..I was ripped off by a Connecticuit (sp) ebayer selling me a A1200.

http://www.bartonekdragracing.com/webfilez/5000smiles_bad.htm



Thanks for the info. Seems like I may be in a somewhat similar situation to yours, I was promised tracking info on Monday, still nothing today and no response to my email. I payed immediately too, which really annoys me. And according to what I've read on PayPal's site, they will only reimburse me IF the seller has money in his PayPal account.

At this point, I'm just hoping for a happy ending... or I may have to go Charles Bronson on someone's a$$.

Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: maffoo on October 19, 2006, 09:23:59 PM
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-D- wrote:
Something I read stated that PayPal will only refund your money from a fradulent sale *if* the seller has money in his PayPal account, otherwise you're SOL. Anyone know how true that is? (I use PayPal out of convenience BTW, but reading that was a little unsettling.)


This is true. I paid £510 for a laptop with the £500 Buyer Protection logo on it, which I then didn't receive. I filed a complaint, the seller never replied and I was refunded £480. I didn't pursue the other £20 (I'd written off the other £10 anyway as I only expected £500 cover), I was just glad most of the money was still in the seller's account, but it still bugs me that Ebay advertises £500 protection if you pay through Paypal but it's pot luck as to whether you get even a penny back  :madashell:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: maffoo on October 19, 2006, 09:28:44 PM
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BGary335 wrote:

And I beg to differ about Paypal not being able to go into your bank account. They've already done it to me several times. If you use a bank accouunt with Paypal, they WILL take money from it when you owe them.


I'd be interested to know how legal that is. Surely if they take money from your bank account without explicit permission it's theft? I don't think it's legal even if it's in their terms and conditions.

Not only does it seem like theft, but surely if you can prove that you shipped an item and they take money from you anyway it's aiding and abetting fraud?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 09:33:36 PM
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That's your fault then, is it not? If you would've shipped it when you were supposed to, you wouldn't have had a problem.


So by shipping late it entitles the buyer to defraud Paypal?  Thats what you're basically saying, you're not a certain "Judge" from New York are you? :lol:  It doesnt matter anyway because I no longer accept Paypal and I did get my money.

Of course you can BUY-IT-NOW without Paypal, I do it all the time and offer my bidders the same.

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And I beg to differ about Paypal not being able to go into your bank account. They've already done it to me several times. If you use a bank accouunt with Paypal, they WILL take money from it when you owe them.


Well they sure didnt take a penny from me...but if that is the case, now I'm really glad I dont take Paypal.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 19, 2006, 09:59:20 PM
No, but it doesn't entitle you to any protection either.

And it its extremely legal for Paypal to take money from your account. In essence, when you add a bank account to your Paypal account, it's collatoral. By doing this, you guarantee that even if Paypal has to go into your bank acoount all of your buying and selling expenses will be paid. It's Paypal and Ebay's way of knwoing that if you happen to owe money and have none in your Paypal account, they will still get what they are owed because they can remove it irectly from your bank account. It's as legal as a loan company needing collateral for a home or car loan. In essence it works exactly the same way.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: Cyberus on October 19, 2006, 10:01:45 PM
I noticed this site a couple of years ago, this was before ebay bought them...but I don't think they've really changed:
http://www.paypalwarning.com/ (http://www.paypalwarning.com/)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 19, 2006, 10:04:33 PM
Cyberus:

Yea, there's a few out there.. Cashiers Checks/Money Orders only.. the rest can just go bid on another auction :)
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: maffoo on October 19, 2006, 10:43:53 PM
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BGary335 wrote:
And it its extremely legal for Paypal to take money from your account. In essence, when you add a bank account to your Paypal account, it's collatoral. By doing this, you guarantee that even if Paypal has to go into your bank acoount all of your buying and selling expenses will be paid. It's Paypal and Ebay's way of knwoing that if you happen to owe money and have none in your Paypal account, they will still get what they are owed because they can remove it irectly from your bank account. It's as legal as a loan company needing collateral for a home or car loan. In essence it works exactly the same way.


I'm not so sure. Loan companies are quite strictly regulated and AFAIK they can't dip into a bank account to cover unpaid debts (unless there's prior agreement, eg. a direct debit for a credit card.) Are there any lawyers on this site who could clarify what rights Paypal has under the law?
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 20, 2006, 12:37:10 AM
There's no strict regulations like that. If you default on a loan payment, they can take whatever thay have to pay your obligation. It pretty much works that way with Paypal. Say the end of the month comes and Ebay sends you an invoice for yourmonthly sellers fee's. If they go to take it out of your Paypal account, but the money isn't there, they can then take it out of the bank account you've associated with it. Believe me, they've done it to me a couple of times.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TjLaZer on October 20, 2006, 01:08:55 AM
I recently bought an item on ebay for $250.  It was faulty.  Seller claimed she would refund the $ but was broke until her next payday (30 days away!!)  She said I can just junk the part and not send it back. I said fine, I expect a refund at that time.  Knowing ebay/paypal only allows like 45 days from time of sale I knew I was cutting it close.  When that 30 days arrived I emailed and did not get a reply.  I filed a claim with Paypal.  They said the max they could refund was $200 minus a $50 deductible/fee.  Damn.  Well luckily the seller emails me the next day saying she wants the part back now and then she will refund it!  I said hell no I expect a refund as agreed and THEN I will gladly mail the piece of crap back to you!  She said NO.  Then she said I will refund you $100 then the rest after I get it back.  I get $100 and I say no way Jose I expect the rest as we agreed a month ago.  Never heard from her again.  I comply with Paypals requirements (email correspondence, letter from shop that specializes in part that tested it, etc) and got $150 from them like 8 weeks later...  I got lucky.

On any large mentary item I would really wait ~10 days or so after getting a paypal payment unless you want to get screwed like TheMagicM did.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 20, 2006, 01:39:32 AM
I agree with you very much. I've gotten screwed several times recently with high $ items, but luckily I was able to clear up those situations without losing any money.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: sdyates on October 20, 2006, 04:19:24 AM
I just bought a AMac II+ item and hope all goes well!

At least it is only US$30.00.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: TheMagicM on October 20, 2006, 01:51:41 PM
maffoo:

Before Ebay bought Paypal I had asked them (paypal via phone) about my $400 I "owe".  I asked if they could go into my account to get the money and they said no.  So then I called again but didnt let them know who I was and asked them about "a friends account that owed $400", and recieved the same answer.   Dont know how it is now and dont really care since I dont use Paypal.  Their rules may or may not have changed since then.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: BGary335 on October 20, 2006, 02:44:33 PM
I would assume my experience is an indication that their rules have changed, wouldn't you? :roll:
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: maxmouse on October 22, 2006, 06:48:50 PM
Personally, I never liked paypal. My biggest gripe with the
sellers on ebay. Is when sellers have a paypal only auction
on ebay. When a seller has a paypal only auction. I have
notice sometimes that paypal only auctions don't do to well.

Thats why I always pay by postal money order or cashier check.
Sure it takes awhile longer. But for me its sometimes worth
the wait. Another gripe I have with sellers on ebay. Sellers
who charge way to much on shipping costs. ebay sellers please
use other methods payment! paypal is not the only method of
payment!
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: gdanko on October 22, 2006, 07:16:53 PM
There is a scam some sellers do.. Charge a low price for the item and a lot for shipping so eBay doesn't take as much of a chunk out of the selling price.

Since eBay owns PayPal they jack the seller 3x.
1) Charge to place the ad
2) Charge a % of the sales price
3) Charge to accept money via PayPal

eBay is a scam.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: recidivist on October 22, 2006, 07:33:29 PM
 Sssome seller claim the high shipping is to compensate them for standing inline at the post office.
Some sellers who charge a high shipping fee also toss your item loose in a USPS box!Some sellers don't get positive feedback because of this even when by some miracle the item isn't broken!
Yahoo auctions had way more scammers.

I wouldn't mind seeing an alternative but the eBay situation is similar to Microsoft and Windows.Both have a near-stranglehold on the market, and only niche markets use something different.
Title: Re: OMG - he's at it again!
Post by: scharmers on October 22, 2006, 08:26:09 PM
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eBay is a scam.


Well, it did just let me sell an old copy of VB6 I've had lying around the house for $250, and get me paid the next day with a just a small chunk taken out of the amount.  Absolutely no hassle.

It's generally easy to avoid the jerks on eBay, it's just that people get greedy like they always do and forget that yes, some things are too good to be true, or take chances on obviously risky sellers (private feedback types, no paypal types, et. al.) or don't read the fine print about shipping (or any instructions at all...I mean, on one of my recent auctions I had a ton of people asking me to ship overseas when my shipping instructions clearly stated no oversea shipping, etc).
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: LoadWB on October 22, 2006, 09:43:14 PM
As a small-time seller myself, I accept ONLY PayPal.  Why?  Because it's extremely easy.  To me, it's worth the small percentage charged to know that I have money available to me immediately.

If you think about it, it's not really a jack or a scam.  I pay for the service which allowed me to sell the item, and I pay a percentage on the immediate transfer of funds (as any merchant would for the same.)  Since I have a PayPal debit card, I have access to my money as soon as the item is paid for.  I generally also only charge the real UPS or USPS shipping price, unless it's an item which is a real PITA to box and ship which has happened only once in my recollection.

But it is correct to say there are plenty of people who follow a not-so-fair set of rules, and I simply just don't buy from them, regardless of how bad I *want* what they are selling.  Because, no matter what, I don't *need* any item on eBay back enough to compromise my principles.

Again as a seller, I find no reason not to accept PayPal as a payment method.  But then, the only problem I have ever had with PayPal was $36 I lost to a jerk in NY over a cell phone.  In short, I bought a SonyEricsson T62u and received a T61z.  I filed a "did not receive item" complaint, but they dismissed my claim when he showed them a shipping ID -- I should have filed it as "not as advertised."

In this case it turned out to be great fun for two months as I managed to get his new personal information from another scorned seller and began calling (abusing) him and asking him about my $36 anytime I had a bad day.  :devildance:

I digress.  I prefer to pay with PayPal, and anyone who does not accept it does not get my money.  RetroGeek doesn't accept PayPal, and from what I have read I conclude that is a Good Thing(tm).
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: gdanko on October 22, 2006, 09:49:26 PM
eBay should not charge the seller on 3 occasions. Period.
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: LoadWB on October 22, 2006, 09:50:47 PM
Why?
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: JaXanim on October 22, 2006, 10:29:04 PM
eBay's fee scales are clearly set out up front. If you don't like them, don't use eBay, simple.

I also prefer PayPal. I have always had good service and no issues. On one occasion, they refunded me most of the money I paid for software which turned out to be pirated.

Sellers charging excessive postage to circumvent the fees are breaking the rules - also stated up front. If you're affected by this, complain to eBay and they will pull the auction.

Some people say eBay don't give a damn as long as they get their cut. My experience suggests eBay are pretty strict and getting stricter all the time. Remember all that pirated software?...you don't see much these days. Spot an obviously dodgy car for sale and it will soon get pulled.

There are almost bound to be problems now and then. Name one business that doesn't have them. Considering the colossal scale of eBay, it never fails to amaze me how well it all works.

JaX
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: sir_inferno on October 22, 2006, 11:21:00 PM
whats with that star trek-esque music in the background
Title: Re: eBay policies and such
Post by: sdyates on October 23, 2006, 01:05:11 AM
He always has something good playing... I love the stargate ones :)

S