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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: DonnyEMU on September 01, 2003, 10:50:42 PM
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Okay this thread is my attempt to create a list:
Video Toaster http://www.newtek.com ($$)
OpenFX http://www.openfx.org (free Remember Stuart Ferguson??)
OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org (free)
Scala http://www.scala.com
TrueSpace http://www.caligari.com (version 3.1 free at download.com)
Pro Motion http://www.cosmigo.com/promotion/index.php (shareware) works like and animates like dpaint 5
More to follow...
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And what has OpenOffice to do on that list ? :-o
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I do quite well without all the items on that list except OpenOffice, and I don't recall that "moving" to the PC...
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Yep.. OOffice is only one of those I need and it's definitely not
Amiga proggie.. Xchat is an Amirc clone (free though, unlike amirc)
and I need that. :-)
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How about adding DeliPlayer? The only way to play stuff like the Speedball 2 (Amiga version) theme on PC, unless using an emulator.
/Martin
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TvPaint now lives as Aura DV Paint, well at least some of the interface/ gui/ tools are exactly the same. Both programs are exellent IMO. :-)
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Have you priced the new toaster? I think I will have
to make the toaster/flyer last alittle longer.
Stew
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Hey now I said if you own a PC you shouldn't be without one of these. You already have one for your Amiga so you are set..
As far as IRC clones my favorite is still MIRC, but I use a messenger called Trillian that incorporates, Yahoo!, MSN messenger, AIM, IRC all into one program (not into multiple IM clients) and it's IRC program is pretty decent too, I use it routinely to visit #AROS.
I put open office on the list because it's a killer app that basically open sources an office suite and well honestly it's better than it's Amiga equivalent "Gold Disk Office" and honestly gives Microsoft a lot to think about..
I wish someone would port Open Office to Amiga Classic, AmigaOne, MorphOS, and Aros.. That would give the platform a really top notch and free productivity suite that's popular with Linux and Windows users alike. Mostly because it's free and it's on par and file compatible with M$-Office..
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@Stew
The new Toaster2 may be expensive but they are working on making it usable in a A4000 with Mediator, although the pc software will be unusable
the hardware will still work and once they get some amiga software written for it I'm sure you'd be able to also run it on AmigaOne or any other Amiga like platform given you meet the right specs. ;-)
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@ DonnyEMU
VideoToaster2 for PAL sucks.
Ther are NLE systems cheaper, more relialable and with better quality around.
Ciao
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Although these programs didn't start out on the Amiga the file type's did and I find them very useful when going back and forth between Amiga and the pc.The first is called WinAce Archiver it handles LHA archives on the pc and the second that I'm sure a lot of Amiga users are aware of is PaintShopPro7, it handles IFF amiga format pics. I find these programs very useful and use them alot. Does anybody know of other Amiga file type programs for the pc ? :-)
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How about adding DeliPlayer?
I have deliplayer for the pc skins are awful compared to the basic amiga version but i like this more than winamp due to the fact it can play 170 difrent types of audio file. :-)
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WinAce Archiver it handles LHA archives on the pc
I stopped using winace after it kept saying all my files were corrupt i got winrar instead and download a patch to allow opening of lha files. I just need dms and lzx for the pc now. :-)
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Frankly OpenOffice is the only one off that list I have any use for, and it's got nothing at all to do with the Amiga (It used to be Star Office before the open source and closed source forks diverged). None of the Amiga "Office" applications were ever above mediocre at best.
The only titles I use regularly that have an Amiga heritage in the sense that they were inspired by Amiga apps are:
Magellan Explorer http://www.enriva.com/ (http://www.enriva.com/) (DOpus4 clone)
X-Chat http://www.xchat.org/ (http://www.xchat.org/) (AmIRC clone)
Beyond that, I can't think of anything else.
Now that I've mostly switched to Linux, Magellan Explorer is replaced by Worker http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker/ (http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker/) as the DOpus4 clone. It's not the prettiest or best configured Linux file manager by default, but it's highly configurable and very familiar.
:-P
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@amigamad
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"I stopped using winace after it kept saying all my files were corrupt i got winrar instead and download a patch to allow opening of lha files"
Cool, I didn't know about the patch for winrar. I'll check it out .Thanks for the tip. :-)
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@amigamad
I stopped using winace after it kept saying all my files were corrupt i got winrar instead and download a patch to allow opening of lha files.
Magellan Explorer from Enriva (http://www.enriva.com) handles lha archives out-of-the-box as they say, and so does the Windows version of Directory Opus of course. Otherwise lhant from Aminet does the job well enough.
I just need dms and lzx for the pc now. :-)
No archivers for either but you can find a dms unarchiver here (http://www.ee.tut.fi/~heikki/xdms/). As for lzx, a google search for "unlzx" will produce a number of hits, but I'm not sure anyone has compiled it for Windows yet. The lzx algorithm was used by Microsoft in their cabinet file (.cab) format. (Jonathan Forbes who wrote lzx, then went to work for MS, who bought his IP to use in their own technology)
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Ya missed a big one: WarBlade is the PC version of the classic Amiga game Deluxe Galaga, done by the man himself, Edgar Vigdal. Trust me, it's everything you loved about Deluxe Galaga and more, even though it's still in beta release. Still, this is as polished a game as you're gonna find in the PC world and has made my own platform transition a whole lot less traumatic. Check it out! (http://www.warblade.as/)
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Probably one of the most succesful ports to PC (and Mac for that matter) is Newtek's Lightwave. I couldn't be without. If I remember correctly ADPro went on as Elastic Reality on the PC, don't seem to use that much anymore though. As far as file type compatibility is concerned Photoshop can load and save Amiga IFF just fine.
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@ tintin
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"As far as file type compatibility is concerned Photoshop can load and save Amiga IFF just fine."
Well I don't know where I'm going wrong then because I just tried to open an Amiga IFF file in PhotoShop 7 just to see, and I can't see how it can be done.
in the...
(Open/ files of type: All formats) requester gadget, IFF is not listed, they have lots listed for your selection but no IFF , they do have TIFF listed maybe this is what your thinking of, and if there is a way to load IFF images into PhotoShop without first converting them I'd sure like to know how. I can't even see the file that I know is there. So how are you loading IFF's into PhotoShop ?
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Both photoshop and lightwave and even maya supports IFF files. They are still a standard in many 3d animation projects..
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tony23 wrote:
@ tintin
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"As far as file type compatibility is concerned Photoshop can load and save Amiga IFF just fine."
Well I don't know where I'm going wrong then because I just tried to open an Amiga IFF file in PhotoShop 7 just to see, and I can't see how it can be done.
I used to be able to do this exact same thing, but after some upgrades to the hardware/software at my work, and after some time had passed from when I had once done it, I find I am no longer able to do so. It might have been a plug-in, or an option in Photoshop 5 or 6? I'll check again tomorrow if I have time.
Good luck,
Mike
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Hi ,Well maybe you could please explain how to load an IFF pic into PhotoShop7 when I can't even select the file. I'm sure I must be missing something here because I have an IFF file that I can load in PaintShopPro but in PhotoShop7 I can't even see the file in the requester.
So can someone please explain this ? The file does not show under ALL FILE TYPE's and there is no IFF selection when opening a file.
I'm sure there must be a simple explaination so if anybody can shed some light on this, I'd reallly be thankful. Thanks :-)
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Posted twice?
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Hi , I'm sure you guys must be right about this but how do you get to load an IFF into PhotoShop7 ? When I go Open /All file type's I don't even see the IFF file that is there and I'm able to load it into PaintShopPro no problem and its not availible in the file type requester of PhotoShop either , IFF is not listed. So please, can someone tell me where I'm going wrong with this. Please :-)
Thanks
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Out of the box Amiga IFF support has been dropped in Photoshop 7 in favour of a plugin solution.
Additional import formats available with plug-ins on the Photoshop 7.0 CD-ROM:
- Amiga IFF
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Thanks Krusher, that explains alot . I thought I was going crazy or something. :-D
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Framiga - Time to put away the crack pipe! VT[2] sucks??? Sure, there are cheaper NLEs around but do they come with kick-ass 3D software and great video paint program? Do they allow switching with up to 8 live streams of video? Do they integrate as a frame buffer with LightWave, Aura, After Effects, 3D Studio Max, Premiere, Digital Fusion & DFX+? As far a stability goes, VT has VERY specific hardware requirements (as do most pro-level NLEs) and if you can meet or exeed those it runs like a dream - I've never experienced a single crash with the Video Toaster [2] and as for quality - how can a D1 video NLE system get better than uncompressed??? :-?
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Hmm, I seem to have caused quite a commotion with my claim that you can load and save IFF's in photoshop. IFF's can be loaded into Photoshop, as long as Photoshop's Amiga IFF plug-in is installed. For some versions of Photoshop, this isn't installed by default, so you have to add it by hand.
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It posted to wrong thread...
Weird ?
whoops not...
@Aegis, What I think Framiga was talking about was the Pal version. I can't comment on the Pal version though being in North America. :-)
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Actually, they're one and the same - The VideoToasterNT came as an NTSC or a PAL/NTSC package (and VideoToasterNT was a disappointment 'cause the only NewTek software included was a crippled version of LightWave and Aura 1.0 - the editor was Speed Razor) but all recent versions of the VT (2 & 3) are PAL/NTSC (I'm a PAL VT user btw...). It seems quite expensive but when you take into account that with the new VT[3] you get a full seat of LightWave 3D 7.5 and Aura, you're virtually getting the hardware and the awesome VT software for free! I used to work with Avid equipment and there's nothing an Avid can do that the VT[3] can't - now that's power! And let me tell you, when that 'Toaster desktop is hiding Windows I'm be damned if it doesn't feel like I'm using my Amiga again... :-)
Here's a grab from my dual-monitor setup for those that are interested...
(http://www.agmorgan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/VT2.jpg)
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Wow nice screen shot ! I'm jealous now, I've got an A2000 toaster and it's still mega fun to use, I just love lightwave , maybe someday I'll be able to upgrade to VT2 or 3
Gotta save my penny's... Lets see... Aone, Peg and a new Toaster.... :-D
Ya , I gotta save some big bucks, but I know it'll be worth it. :-)
Thanks for the pic and the info on the Pal.
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It's very cool! :-D
Here's a different layout with the ToasterScope and a few other tools visible/customized...
(http://www.agmorgan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/VT22.jpg)
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What abour Real3D (now Realsoft 3D)? If you don't know, Hyperion are planning to port that back onto OS4 :-D
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bhoggett wrote:
As for lzx, a google search for "unlzx" will produce a number of hits, but I'm not sure anyone has compiled it for Windows yet.
Yes, there's an unlzx compiled for Windows, it's available with the Beos version in the same archive:
http://www.polycode.dk/
I have tried only the Beos one and it works well.
Varthall
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A version of UnLZX with an x86 compile is also available on Aminet at ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/arc/UnLZX2.lha (http://ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/util/arc/UnLZX2.lha).
/Martin
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I have deliplayer for the pc skins are awful compared to the basic amiga version but i like this more than winamp due to the fact it can play 170 difrent types of audio file. :-)
Well, DeliPlayer 2 has a better look.
/Martin
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Many archiving programs for Windows support LhA. I use PowerArchiver v6.11 (the last freeware version...) for which an Amiga OS style toolbar can be downloaded... :-D
Filzip is also a good program with LhA support, but some bugs need to be sorted out.
/Martin
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No one has mentioned the Med / Octamed family. The Amiga version just got a minor update.
Many versions of PShop would not load IFF files above 256 colors. Hope that's changed.
Some PC programs look for the .lbm extension instead of .iff.
Ulead's PhotoImpact handles 24bit IFF files very nicely. Several members of the Kansas City Users Group like P-I for its great power & low price. (under $100US, sometimes way under)
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PaintShop Pro also handles iff files by default.
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What abour Real3D (now Realsoft 3D)?
3dworld magazine issue #35 page #078 - #079
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Ya missed a big one: WarBlade is the PC version of the classic Amiga game Deluxe Galaga, done by the man himself, Edgar Vigdal. Trust me, it's everything you loved about Deluxe Galaga and more, even though it's still in beta release. Still, this is as polished a game as you're gonna find in the PC world and has made my own platform transition a whole lot less traumatic. Check it out!
I've been playing this for ages. It's definately the Mutts-nuts.
Perhaps one of you enterprising programmers could have a chat with Edgar, with a view of porting it to OS4?
-john
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to stay on topic :
I have to say Directory Opus is a great piece of software. (even on a PeeCee :-P )
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Breaking the subject but i just had to throw this in.
Super Methan Bros. was released as GPL on the ix86 platform for Piosx OS'
I got my copy with my distro of Mandrake 9.1
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for an office package, I recommend EVERYONE check out gobe productive (http://www.gobe.com) its a cheap ($50) alternative to MSOffice and its well worth it.
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for an office package, I recommend EVERYONE check out gobe productive its a cheap ($50) alternative to MSOffice and its well worth it.
There doesn't appear to be an evaluation version available. How is anyone supposed to know for sure it does what they need it to do?
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I appear to be the only one here who likes Photogenics...
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There doesn't appear to be an evaluation version available. How is anyone supposed to know for sure it does what they need it to do?
its 50.00 and they have plenty of pics on the site of the app running, if it dosent do what you want? your out 50.00 AND still have a quality app...
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I appear to be the only one here who likes Photogenics...
I use it a lot, unfortunatly it's been a long time since its last update...
Photogenics (http://www.idruna.com/products.html)
It simply rocks!!
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Ability Office (http://www.ability.com/) is another able office package and there's a trial version of it.
/Martin
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its 50.00 and they have plenty of pics on the site of the app running, if it dosent do what you want? your our 50.00 AND still have a quality app...
I want to test it first! I don't know of many people just willing to give over 50 dollars/pounds without knowing what they're buying A: works and B: suits their needs. Except possibly Amiga Inc coupons :-)
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There's also a port of the musicprogram SuperJam, it's a 'band-in-a-box'-like program. It was bought by MS (just like Bars&Pipes). I haven't use it on a PC, because it works fine on my Amiga
(by the way it's complete freeware, just as B&P)
Cheers Tom
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I don't know of many people just willing to give over 50 dollars/pounds without knowing what they're buying
its a safer bet then buying a coupon! :P
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Except possibly Amiga Inc coupons :-)
Well if people like to spend money to help a cause it's their problem, isn't it!? I don't see much of them nagging, just the others who haven't and wouln't give them one pence anyway...
It's not because you have a point that you have to state it all over again, and again... it already been said...
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tony23 wrote:
TvPaint now lives as Aura DV Paint, well at least some of the interface/ gui/ tools are exactly the same. Both programs are exellent IMO. :-)
Actually it was TVPaint for the PC at first, then it became Aura when Newtek began selling it, and now is Aura when Newtek bundles, but the new standalone version (and worth all $275 for the upgrade) is MIRAGE. I kid that 50% of the software venders at NAB used to be Amiga companies, but its pretty much true. The people that wrote Montage, now write 2 different PC programs (the team split up). The folks that brought us the great paint program Opalpaint, have a very nice PC paint program that I cant think of at the moment. All the old Play people who did Trinity did Brilliance, and DCTVpaint, and one of the Toaster CG programs. Someone made a comment about Elastic Reality. They sold lock stock and barrel to AVID, who has incorporated there software into their editor.
-Tig
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Hi Tigger,
Please forgive me but I'm a little confused.
Was it TVPaint for Amiga, then TVPaint for PC, then Aura for PC ? or was it TVPaint for PC, then TVPaint for Amiga, then Aura for PC ?
All I know is that when I got myself Aura DV for my PC , I thought, Hey... wait a minute, this looks just like the TVPaint program that I've got on my Amiga !
:-)
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I'm sorry, I can see how what I said could confuse.
It was TVPaint for the Amiga
then
TVPaint for the PC/Alpha
then
Aura for PC/Alpha
and now its
Mirage for the PC/Mac
Though Newtek wil contine to ship Aura 2.5 with VT[3] and have the right to enhance it.
-Tig
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Hi Tigger,
Thanks for clearing that up, it's interesting to see the progression of the software from platform to platform and also how all the former Amiga software company's survived the hard times. Now, if we can just get them to come back and write some new stuff for the new Amiga systems. :-)
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(Octa)MED and Deliplayer/Tracker mentioned earlier.
Neither would exist without Sound/Pro/NoiseTracker
Soundtracker(.org) on linux,
Fast/Scream/ImpulseTracker on DOS,
all the way upto software as such
MAGIX music maker on Windows.
MODlug Tracker, WinAMP, XMPlay, the list goes on.
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damn! ...frodo.......
at 600 bucks, it looks like I'll have to agree to
let Marky_D_Sahd be the only one who likes Photogenics