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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Daniele on February 28, 2008, 07:25:48 PM
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I am trying to install t5he Vodoo3 card and the software and I am following the instrctions of the Mediator CD.
I downloaded Picasso96.lha from Aminet and installed it.
I have choosed Cybervision 64 3d like the instructions says.
Started again the installation of Picasso96 choosing "Update an installed Version" and selected "Monitorsetting" only but the program don't let me choose the frequency supported by my monitor like the instructions say.
then I have renamed CVision3d and CVision3d.info into Voodoo and Voodoo.info in DEVS:Monitors.
Then changend in the tool type window of Voodoo.icon BOARDTYPE = from CVision3d to Voodoo.
Then copied Voodoo.card driver to the Libs:Picasso96 drawer
Clicked the Voodoo icon (in Devs/Monitor drawer).
And now the point: I have to start Picasso96mode program (in SYS:Prefs drawer) and select attach setting to board0: Voodoo and exit the program and save.
But on the menu of Picasso96mode I see attach setting to and above NO Board and if I try open and load voodoo nothing happens I cannot edit anything.
I have I always get the no modes message !!!!!!!
1) what can I do?
2) the instructions do not talk about the moment I have insert the cad and connect the VGA cable to the Voodoo board ( I tried to load the amiga with the cable connected to the voodoo but I only see black screen)
3) do you know where I can find a better explanation to install the Voodoo card?
Please help me
Many Thanks
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Hi Daniele,
I have had the same problems as you, take a look at this site, I found it very helpful.
http://www.stom.co.uk/amiga-mediator/content/tutorials/p96mode/index.shtml
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yes but this pase is for the Picasso96Mode and when I open this program I have no mode found! so I cannot configurate anything!
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When you installed P96 did you start the installation again and just used the UPDATE installation?
If you don't do these steps you won't have any P96 screenmodes for the Voodoo card
I think there's a guide on the Mediator MM cd
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@dbrads
the fact is that I am following the site you gave me
http://www.stom.co.uk/amiga-mediator/content/tutorials/p96mode/index.shtml
and I am at Starting out point where I need to find the voodoo card.So click and drag the 'create new' icon to the lister within the 'Settings' box. This will create a new entry called 'not attached : New Setting'.
Now I need to 'attach' the graphics card to this setting. Click on the 'not attached : New Setting' entry to select it. Next I have use the Menus and go to the 'Attach Setting To' menu, and I should now see the voodoo card but when I go on the menu attach setting to I have:
NO BOARD
and I cannot go on.
What can I do to let show the Voodoo card?
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Daniele wrote:
@dbrads
the fact is that I am following the site you gave me
http://www.stom.co.uk/amiga-mediator/content/tutorials/p96mode/index.shtml
and I am at Starting out point where I need to find the voodoo card.So Iclick and drag the 'create new' icon to the lister within the 'Settings' box. This will create a new entry called 'not attached : New Setting'.
Now I need to 'attach' the graphics card to this setting. Click on the 'not attached : New Setting' entry to select it. Next I have use the Menus and go to the 'Attach Setting To' menu, and I should now see the voodoo card but when I go on the menu attach setting to I have:
NO BOARD
and I cannot go on.
What can I do to let show the Voodoo card?
There is no need to create any screenmodes, please read my post
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also check that your mediator is seated well and the cards are all firmly in, then run pciinfo to make sure it recognizes everything correctly. It should recognize every card's manufacturer and chipset, if you get "unknown" to any of the cards you have the well known "seating" problems of Mediator and its cards.
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@Amigaz
how can I go on the installation of the card If I don't have to select any screen mode?
My amiga would not see the voodoo card and I would have balck screen after booting!
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@Daniele
Copy the file Picasso96Settings### from the Picasso96 archive, found in the devs drawer, to the devs drawer on your SYS drive. Reboot, and try again. Copy the file with the refresh rates prefered, and rename it to Picasso96Settings (ie, remove the digits). I'd start with 31 or 38 if I were you.
The specific tooltype in the monitor driver should point to devs:Picasso96Settings.
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As mentioned in other posts; if the Voodoo card isn't recognised by PCIInfo, then you will never be able to get it up and running.
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I'm talking about the Picasso96 install
When you use Picasso96 with the mediator and a voodoo card you must first install the Mediator files, then Picasso96 but after the picasso96 install is finished you start the Picasso96 install again but only choose UPDATE from the Picasso96 install
Then reboot or double click on the voodoo monitor files in devs/monitors to activate the voodoo driver
Then go into p96prefs and you'll see all the Voodoo screenmodes..choose one and "attach to board" voodoo, then test the modes and save + reboot
Everything must be done correctly, if you don't read the documents you'll get problems like you might have now
Like DoctorQ says...first see if your voodoo is recognized
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@Amigaz
I have installed Picasso96 like you say and like it is stated on the doc file in the mediotor cd.So I installed the mediator files, installed Picasso96,reinstalled Picasso96 in update mode,rebooted and double clicked on voodoo found in devs/monitors but when I go in Picasso96Pref I can see only NO MODE and the voodoo card it's not recognized.
Please help me!!!!
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@Daniele
We are trying to help you, but if the Voodoo isn't recognised by PCIInfo, your only option is to get the card to be recognised first.
Without it being recognised, you can do the installation of Picasso96 correct 100 times, and it still won't work.
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@doctorq
the voodoo card is recognized by the PCIinfo in the CLI
the problem is now that is I click Voodoo in the Devs/Monitors it comes up unoble to open and before when this worked as I said before from de Picasso96Prefs I had NO MODE in the menu and could not let recognize the Voodoo card.
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After several attempts my configuration finally could see in Picasso96Mode on the Menu' attach setting to Board0 and I tried several configuration of resolution and tested it switching to the Voodoo VGA connection but when I saved the configuration and rebooted the Amiga I could only dispay the screen by RGB mode not the VGA. Why????
Now it happens that I could not see my Voodoo anymore by the Picasso96Mode and at the attach setting I have no board!!! :-?
it's a real mess!
what can I do?
now I see in the Picasso96Mode in the settings Not attached - Village 31 and above some resolution but the Voodoo board is not seen and I cannot test beacuse the selection is not active. :madashell:
Only one time I saw my card recognized and now I have NO BOARD. I am installing Picasso96 over and over again with no luck and now I am disappointed and wanna format everything or is there any workout for this?
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Sounds like your Voodoo Monitor driver in devs:Monitor is not
getting loaded for some reason or you have a typo in the BOARDTYPE = line in the "Voodoo" Monitor driver tool types.
If you boardtype= tool type is not the same as the file it is attached to it will not work. As lest that was the reason I was haveing what sounds like the same problem as you have the first time I tried to setup my Voodoo3 card with my MediatorSX PCI busboard.
I don't know if it makes any difference but I have my network card in the top slot my sound card in the one bellow and my Voodoo card down the bottom of the case in the second last slot. I would have put it in the bottom slot as I am told that is what amiga kit recommends but as I have my A1200 in a mk4 eyetech tower I cant use the very bottom slot.
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I don't know if it makes any difference but I have my network card in the top slot my sound card in the one bellow and my Voodoo card down the bottom of the case in the second last slot. I would have put it in the bottom slot as I am told that is what amiga kit recommends but as I have my A1200 in a mk4 eyetech tower I cant use the very bottom slot.
It must make a difference because when I first installed
my mediator in my power tower I had problems until I installed
the network card in the bottom slot, usb card 2nd from the
bottom, voodoo 3rd from the bottom. It's weird but pci info
see's them all with this arrangement but had problems with any
other arrangement. Also, are there any environment variable's,
or lack of, that could be causing the problems he's having?
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@Dwyloc
of course I have changed in the tool type of the voodoo.ico BROARDTYPE=Voodoo but When I open Picasso96Mode I have NO BOARD to attach.
it happened only one time that appeared BOARD0: Voodoo but then I have lost this configuration and when I tried to save the configuration and booting up my Miggy I could only see the screen under RGB not Voodoo VGA (Only Black screen).Then I lost this configuration and every time that I install again the whole stuff I am still having NO Board!!
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Question: do you only edit the Voodoo icon information or you edit the Voodoo file itself?
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@rkauer
only the icon,
why?
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Look inside the file for bad information (pointing to another card).
Or:
1- simply remove the whole package, then install it again;
2- edit the file and .info with the exact same name, moving both to DEVS:Monitors/;
3- update the installation.
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I have my Voodoo3 card in the top slot and it works fine? I have a SB128 in the 3rd slot and a 10/100 card in the forth.
The SB128 works but I'm still trying to get my 10/100 card to work. Its on the "not tested" list on the Mediator guide so I'm not sure if it will.
Someone here told me that the top slot was the best one for the Voodoo card? I'm seeing conflicting reports all over the place?
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@rkauer
can you explain me better 2) and 3) voices of your post please?
Thanks
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@spihunter
the conflicting reports come from the fact that many mediators are prone to errors when they're not positioned exactly as intended. Now when a user rearranges the cards and that accidentally results to Mediator getting into the correct position he goes: "so, it needs X card in X slot to function well.....!"
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Explaining better:
2- edit the file and .info with the exact same name, moving both to DEVS:Monitors/;
When you create the Voodoo "driver" from CVision3d, rename both .info and file with the exact same name (even a space before or after the name make a lot of confusion).
3- update the installation.
Only after creating the Voodoo file and icon you need to upgrade the P96 program.
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So guys,
I formatted the Amiga again,installed OS 3.9 and Picasso96 following what rkauer told me and now when I go into Picasso96mode I can see Attached setting to Board0:Voodoo
and finally the Amiga can see the Voodoo card,
the I tested the resolution witching from RGB to the Voodoo VGA but when I saved the configuration and rebooted the Amiga I can only see the screen under RGB and NOT the VGA Voodoo card I have black screen!!!! :-?
What I need to do to see finally the screen under the VGA Voodoo socket?
Many Thanks
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It's all working! For the Workbench screen, go into SYS:Prefs and run the screenmode pref. Select a Voodoo screen mode and save. Every application that you want to use a Voodoo screen you have to select the Voodoo screen mode you want from a screenmode requester in the settings or similar.
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GREAT IT WORKS FINALLY!!!!
I want to tank everybody answered me in this thread and thanks to Amiga.org of course!
:-D
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I had a guru after booting so I had to format my Amiga but the problem is that I formatting over and over again ,installing OS 3.9,installing Picasso96,update Picasso96 (Screenmodes) but I always have Attach NO BOARD in the Picasso96Mode.
I am doing everything correctly but it won't work.
I have formatted 3 times utill now!
I install Picasso96 and choose CyberVision64/3d then in DEVS:Monitor I rename CVision3d and CVision3d.info into Voodoo and Voodoo.info.
Then I change the tool tipe window of Voodoo icon BOARDTYPE=Voodoo
Then Click to the Voodoo icon in Devs/Monitots (and sometimes the Amiga FREEZE ) then I reboot
Go to Picasso96mode in Prefs and see ATTACH TO NO BOARD.
In the mediator installation doc of the Voodoo at point 3) is written "Copy the enclosed Voodoo.card driver to the Libs:picasso96 drawer"
What do they mean wuth the term "ENCLOSED"???
Do I need to get it from the Mediator CD?
But after installing the Picasso96 I already have a Voodoo.card driver in Libs:Picasso96 and the file located on the Mediator cd has the size smaller than the one I have in DH0:
Anyway I tried getting the Voodoo.card file from CD and not but I always have Attach TO NO BOARD in Picasso96Mode
and I am formatting a lot of times!!!!
Please help me!!!
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Of course you need to install the driver for the Voodoo, otherwise it won't work.
I guess you didn't do as AMIGAZ advised you to do earlier in this thread.
you must first install the Mediator files, then Picasso96
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@doctorq
of course I installed the Mediator files after installing OS 3.9 and before installing Piacsso96.
But I continue to have Attach Setting to NO BOARD!!!!
Please help me
I already have formatted 3 times and this would be the 4th I format!!!
:getmad:
What Elbox want to mean when it says on the docs
Copy the "ENCLOSED" voodoo.card into Libs/Picasso96 ???
???????????
:-? :madashell: :-?
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What files do you have in libs:Picasso96 now?
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I have formatted and installed everything for the 5th time
and I always have in Picasso96Mode Attach setting
to NO BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am desasperated please help me!
in Libs:Picasso96 I have:
CVision3d.card
emulation.library
fastlayers.library
rtg.library
svirge.chip
voodoo.card
I still do not understand what the Elbox documentation want to mean saying:
Copy the "ENCLOSED" Voodoo.card driver to the
Libs:Picasso96 drawer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-? :-? :-? :-? :madashell: :madashell:
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Ok, calm down :-D
No board means exactly that - the system cannot see the board. This is 99% of the time a loose fitting voodoo card in the Mediator. Make sure the card fits snugly in the Mediator. if not, raise the Mediator by using washers. 1mm should do the trick.
Once you checked it physicaly, just do what you did before and the board should be found.
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And just one tip: if the Voodoo card have the firmware modified to run on Macs, it won't work on Amigas!
Do a simple test: put the board on a peecee (XP version is better for this) and hook a monitor on it. It work ok? If so, you have just a contact problem, like Wurzel said.
If winblows recognize the board, but complain it can can't use the card, you need to re-flash it. Keep it on the peecee and wait further instructions.
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@wurzel!
:( I pressed the voodoo card in the Mediator but I always have No Board!!! I don't understand why it doesn't regognize be Voodoo card while by pciinfo it is showed!!
please help me!
@rkauer
last week I installed the Voodoo and have been recognized but I had to format the Amiga again because I had a guru after booting because I installed some games on it!
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:-D
All works now and the Voodoo Card has been recognized by my Amiga.
The point is that step 3) of Elbox Voodoo and Picasso96 Installation document needs to be skipped!!!
Please install the Picasso96 graphic system following its
documentation. Choose Cybervison 64 3D as the graphic card.
After the Picasso96 installation, please start Picasso96 installation
once again and choose the "Update an installed version". Select only
"Monitorsettings" and choose the frequency supported by your monitor.
After successful installation you need to:
1. Find the CVision3D and CVision3D.info in the DEVS:Monitors
drawer, rename these files to Voodoo and Voodoo.info, respectively.
2. Change in the tool type window of Voodoo.icon:
BOARDTYPE = from CVision3D to Voodoo.
3. Copy the enclosed Voodoo.card driver to the Libs:Picasso96 drawer. :rtfm:
4. Click to the Voodoo icon (in Devs:Monitors drawer).
5. Start the Picasso96Mode program (in SYS:Prefs drawer) and select
Attach setting to Board0: Voodoo.
Exit Picasso96Mode by SAVE.
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I read your plight earlier & wanted to help. I use to have a link to a Polish site that read in English on just how to do this. This was the link that had explicit instruction on how to set your mediator up everytime without issues. I was hoping it was just down briefly, but it appears to have died for good! :-(
http://ext.neostrada.pl/index.shtml.htm
Needless to say, I have a hard copy here & it`s taken me a while to find the darn thing. It was sent to me some years ago by a Guy from Austalia; Henry if I recall correctly. :-)
Perhaps I should get my finger out & type this documentation up to re-host it somewhere! Meantime, I include settings for your Voodoo card. Go to DEVS:Monitors & Right Click your renamed CVision3D (voodoo) icon & select Information from the WB Menu.
On the Tool Types TAB, make sure the Window has the following:
SettingsFile=SYS:Devs/Picasso96Settings
BoardType=Voodoo
BorderBlank=YES
DisplayChain=YES
FakeNativeModes=NO
FontsFix=NO
GrantDirectAccess=NO
IgnoreMask=YES
MemoryClock=188
NoBlitter=NO
NoPlanar2ChunkyBlits=NO
OverClock=YES
BigSprite=NO
Quiet
SoftSprite=NO
System2ScreenBlits=YES
BigSprite=NO
Anything other than above could be removed without issues. There may also be other tooltypes that can run in conjunction with the above.
RE Overclocking
The Voodoo driver from Version 2 onwards allows you to overclock your Voodoo card. The ToolType for this is the "MemoryClock" option. If you comment this out thus, (MemoryClock) the Voodoo driver will automatically select the speed which is correct for your card. Heres the Science:
Voodoo Banshee - 125Mhz Initially
Voodoo3 2000 - 125Mhz Initially
Voodoo3 3000 - 166Mhz
Voodoo3 3500 - 183Mhz
Voodoo3 3500SE - 200Mhz
Voodoo4 4500 - 166Mhz
Voodoo5 5500 - 166mhz
Be sure you have adequate ventilation when overclocking. Unless you`re running FPS games on your miggy, there should be no real need to Overclock the Voodoo. ;-)
Well done getting there, it can be quite a frustrating thing to setup corectly. Should be fantastic now it is tho!
All the Best,
Kin :-)
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Just found this link which is working but not upto date:
Mediator Guide (http://www.stom.co.uk/amiga-mediator/content/tutorials/guides/index.shtml)
Worth a bookmark at the worst. ;-)
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RE Overclocking
Can the amiga even use all the voodoo 3 potential ? Yet alone would you gain anything by overclocking it ? Or would this perhaps affect all of the mediator DMA
As for installing the voodoo i never had any problems i always felt the elbox readme was very good .
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adonay wrote:
RE Overclocking
Can the amiga even use all the voodoo 3 potential ? Yet alone would you gain anything by overclocking it ? Or would this perhaps affect all of the mediator DMA
As for installing the voodoo i never had any problems i always felt the elbox readme was very good .
Yeah, but ur gunno need Warp running thro the Voodoo from a PPC card! ;-)
...and Yes to the Overclocking. 20Mhz more can add another 5 - 7 fps depending on which Voodoo card ur using!
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can you clarify the fix a bit more im havin simlar problems
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