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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« on: December 04, 2014, 08:10:38 AM »
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Unix and its derivatives have their place in the world, but are mostly over kill in a typical home setting; Amiga's OS takes it place for just flat out being simpler to understand and use.


I think that most average Joes will agree that OSX and iOS are simpler to use than any Amiga-like operating system. "Simpler to understand" in a deeper sense than to get things done doesn't factor in. People rather think in practical terms like "how do I get it on the network", "how do I browse facebook", "where do I find applications", "where do I get support" or "how do I write a rich text document" than things like "how does this work from top to bottom".
 

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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 12:13:32 AM »
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You can do all that on a Chromebook; you don't need a "real" computer.


I'm sorry to have assumed that you would remember the context in which I wrote this. My point is that if there is a niche where Amiga could be established with the general populace, it has nothing to do with simplicity. The Chromebook is indeed simpler and more attractive in the senses that have any relevance to the average consumer.
 

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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 12:22:18 AM »
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Do we really want or need people who just want to surf the web?


You really should consider this in terms of what you want out of the OS and not what you want out of the other strangers that happen to use it. Do you want networking to be easy to set up? Do you want a modern browser? Would you be willing to sacrifice what is unique about the OS for that?

Personally I'm leaning towards "I don't care", since the real Amiga OS is still running as it should on my Amiga 1200.
 

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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 09:06:16 AM »
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Did you really say that?  There is no definition of context; you stated that the Mac OS is simpler for "average Joes" to use (so is a pencil and paper) than an Amiga;  and in some sort of  "a deeper sense than to get things done doesn't factor in."  The meaning behind this eludes me.

This is what you wrote, WRT Unix
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Amiga's OS takes it place for just flat out being simpler to understand and use.


Your argument was about simplicity. Not that you mention what about Amiga OS is so simple. Getting it? Installing it? Using it? Doing anything useful with it? Seems like Chromebook has a clear advantage in each of these areas.

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You mention nothing of a "niche where Amiga could be established with the general populace" in either post (what is this niche, since it also remains undefined in your post?);


No, that was defined by you, saying that Amiga could take the place of Unix in typical home settings.

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then you state that the Chromebook is "more attractive in the senses that have any relevance to the average consumer."  Again you describe multiple "senses" without saying what they are, and there is no comment on what you feel is of "relevance to the average consumer."


I described those in the post before;
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People rather think in practical terms like "how do I get it on the network", "how do I browse facebook", "where do I find applications", "where do I get support" or "how do I write a rich text document" than things like "how does this work from top to bottom".


Somehow in all of this you have completely failed to address my arguments, and I am not cynical enough to think that someone wouldn't have beeen able to put the context together the way I have above, so what's your point?
 

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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2014, 08:13:38 AM »
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Arguments of an elusory nature with serpentine references to prior posts are a poor way to debate an issue;
Non-arguments like the above are an even poorer way to debate an issue. [removed insult]

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I state that the Amiga OS4 is simpler to use and can only conclude that you feel the Mac OSX is simpler.
I also state why I think so. You never explain how Amiga OS is simpler, giving me the upper hand when it comes to actually having an argument, whether you agree or not. I also don't pose my arguments as fact, or say anything that is inherently undebatable, giving you a perfect opportunity to actually respond to them.
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Re: What will drive the New Amiga?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 06:14:20 PM »
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