Author Topic: FS: Amiga 4000D (Read 4882 times)

r.cade · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2012, 08:25:54 PM »

Yes, the ribbon cable.

The way Newtek handled this is when you bought a flyer, it included a replacement part for the Toaster to swap out that replaced the BNC connector bus on the card. This had an integrated ribbon cable that linked them. It was never a separate cable-only thing.

I only have one Toaster with this connector/ribbon on it. The other two Toaster 4000's don't have it.

I believe one Toaster is not working- it gets "Toaster not Responding" error when you try. I seem to recall this can be from it being out of adjustment/sync also, though, so I just need to test all this stuff and relist in a different thread. I will honor the order of requests, though.

amiman99 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2012, 08:25:56 PM »

You mean this cable which is attached to the VT4000?

mbrantley · « **Reply #16 on:** August 23, 2012, 09:29:00 PM »

r.carde, ah, I see. I didn't realize the ribbon cable and the BNC connector bus were together like that. I'm planning to use this Flyer with a Toaster 2000 card in a 2000/060. My Toaster card is already working in that machine.

My project may be getting a little complicated because of the lack of this cable. Another user here made his own cable and sent me a picture, so I believe I can do that but of course was hoping for an easy out.

RobertB · « **Reply #17 on:** August 23, 2012, 10:42:58 PM »

Quote from: r.cade;704834

I only have one Toaster with this connector/ribbon on it.

If you need some money to build cables, I can chip in some cash.

Truly,
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug

Plaz · « **Reply #18 on:** August 24, 2012, 03:26:49 AM »

I've posted this before, but for those who've not seen it this is an extra that I made for my toaster/flyer setup.

Plaz

Ami_GFX · « **Reply #19 on:** August 24, 2012, 03:28:35 AM »

Quote from: mbrantley;704845

r.carde, ah, I see. I didn't realize the ribbon cable and the BNC connector bus were together like that. I'm planning to use this Flyer with a Toaster 2000 card in a 2000/060. My Toaster card is already working in that machine.

My project may be getting a little complicated because of the lack of this cable. Another user here made his own cable and sent me a picture, so I believe I can do that but of course was hoping for an easy out.

The Toaster 2000 used a different cable that went from the header on the Flyer to the header on the Toaster 2000. The BNC cable was only for the Toaster 4000. The Flyer came with both cables in the box. The Toaster 2000 cable uses standard ribbon cable and connectors and won't be that hard to make.

I already have the BNC cable for the Toaster 4000 and only need the Flyer card.

The "Toaster not responding" error is a common problem with the Toaster 4000. The sync adjustment is pretty easy but there seems to be an aging component issue to this and I have one Toaster 4000 that is getting really hard to adjust to the right voltage. At this point, it only syncs when the Toaster is warmed up--has to be on for at least 20 minutes. It works fine if I don't input external video and just run Toaster Paint or Lightwave but syncing to live video is touchy.

Plaz · « **Reply #20 on:** August 24, 2012, 04:07:23 AM »

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there seems to be an aging component issue to this

First and foremost suspects... old capacitors. More than half the time replacing them cure old "twitchy" circuits. Also stock Amiga power supplies weren't always up the the task of running a toaster system that might also be running TBCs, memory expansions, cpu cards. Factor in age, and it's probably time to repair/replace/upgrade that old supply. And again... that PS has old caps.

Plaz

Ami_GFX · « **Reply #21 on:** August 24, 2012, 04:38:11 AM »

Old electrolytic capacitors are always suspect and the first thing to check.

I've got a good power supply in my A4000 and a spare. I'm also paying attention to wattage and am at around 96 watts without a flyer right now with the power supply rated at 150 watts--not stressed at all.

What happens with the Toaster 4000 I've got now is that I can adjust it so it works cold or works hot but not both. The voltage at the check point which is dependant of the sync frequency is not stable at all and adjusting it is, at this point, guess work. I've got another one with the BNC sync cable waiting for a Flyer and I'm hoping this one will be more stable.

Plaz · « **Reply #22 on:** August 24, 2012, 05:05:06 AM »

I see the VT4000 has many tantalum caps. (small yellow rounded candy looking things) Those go bad also causing issues. Then of course chips themselfs can break down and not much you can do there.

Newtek had "lifetime warranty" on all the equipment. Have you ever asked them about sending it in for a check up?

Plaz

Ami_GFX · « **Reply #23 on:** August 24, 2012, 05:27:53 AM »

Quote from: Plaz;704894

I see the VT4000 has many tantalum caps. (small yellow rounded candy looking things) Those go bad also causing issues. Then of course chips themselfs can break down and not much you can do there.

Newtek had "lifetime warranty" on all the equipment. Have you ever asked them about sending it in for a check up?

Plaz

There is definitely a heat issue and it could be a silicon component but capicitors are used mainly for stabilizing voltage in digital circuits and an unstable voltage would point to a capacitor.

Not being the original purchaser of my equipment, I would tread lightly with Newtek. If anything, I would try to get knowledge from them--ie--just tell me what's wrong and I'll fix it myself. Then I could post the fix online for everyone.

mbrantley · « **Reply #24 on:** August 24, 2012, 06:01:28 AM »

Quote from: Ami_GFX;704875

The Toaster 2000 cable uses standard ribbon cable and connectors and won't be that hard to make.

Now that's downright encouraging! Thanks. Do you know if there is a diagram or photo somewhere showing where the cable connects on the Toaster 2000 end? The Toaster I/O header on the Flyer card has 20 pins. I see two male headers on the Toaster 2000 each with 16 pins. They are not marked, and I have no documentation with this stuff.

actung_bab · « **Reply #25 on:** August 24, 2012, 10:40:31 AM »

Quote from: r.cade;704795

Honestly I am wary of selling them without testing to know if they work. Even though I am selling them cheap, nobody wants possibly broken stuff. I need to find some rig of SCSI drives that will be recognized.

well i say thats cool but i brought one and died 30 mins after brought it battery corrision
and seller said was only surface yeah right , but you can see that so you should be okay

Plaz · « **Reply #26 on:** August 24, 2012, 01:19:11 PM »

Quote from: Ami_GFX;704897

Not being the original purchaser of my equipment, I would tread lightly with Newtek. .

No need. It's hardware based not owner based. Newtek themselves told me to register the cards in my name then open an RMA. Now this was a few years ago, but I did this for my malfunctioning flyer card and they repaired it for free. They also said they would continue to honor these warranties as long as they had parts/resources to do so. Time may have already run out, but worth a try.

Plaz

Sandman · « **Reply #27 on:** August 27, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »

Just a suggestion........ Next time why don't verify that your hardware works BEFORE you list it for sale. Maybe list it as "unknown condition".

That way people don't get their hopes up that something is actually for sale when it is'nt! I thought that I was first in line too..... Yippee....

Thanks for wasting my time..........

r.cade · « **Reply #28 on:** August 27, 2012, 07:11:31 PM »

Noted.

Ami_GFX · « **Reply #29 from previous page:** August 27, 2012, 08:05:07 PM »

Hey, I'm still interested in a Flyer card. No hurry. I probably won't around to installing for a while once I get it anyway.