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Something Steve Jobs said yesterday really hit home hard from my Amiga world view:

"This is worth repeating. It's in Apple's DNA that technology is not enough. It's tech married with the liberal arts and the humanities. Nowhere is that more true than in the post-PC products. Our competitors are looking at this like it's the next PC market. That is not the right approach to this. These are post-PC devices that need to be easier to use than a PC, more intuitive."


I have said something like Steve's last line about the Amiga:
"The hardware and software need to intertwine more than they do on a PC. We think we're on the right path with this."

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@Kolla you are thinking of the iPad like it's a "PC" device... It isn't, the average Joe on the street really doesn't care about all that tech stuff... And that I guess is why iPads sell and other tablets don't!

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What a load of rubbish. It's married with telling people what they want and need and then marketing it very successfully.

Don't confuse your dislike of their content vendor practices, cloud your view of their very tightly designed hardware and software solution.

I'd have far more respect for the company if they just said it like it is. They have long since surpassed Microsoft's darkest ambitions for completely controlling what their users do (and can do) with their products.

That's harsh, we have plenty of evidence that Microsft were actually guilty of anticompetitive practices... If you don't like Apple, don't buy thir products, there are plenty of other solutions... I would suggest, less elegant solutions

As it stands, if apple were smote from the face of the Earth tomorrow by a vengeful God, I'd not shed a single tear :lol:

Since I'm not aware of any non vengeful Gods, I'm sure you can find one to pray to, who will make this happen for you

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That´s why this device is appealing to the general public but extremely boring and frustrating for people who like computers.

Bingo! the iPad isn't for boring computer tasks, it's a consumer device... Execpt for people like Motorollin and me who like to program these devices and therefore get the benefit of both sides of the equation

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No USB ports and no memory card slots?
Thanks but no thanks.

Not sure if it affects your argument, but the iPad camera connection kit is a simple USB adaptor for the 30pin iPod connector... So if you really want USB it's there...

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Overpriced piece of crap!

The iPad is the cheapest of the tablets... But if you want something like a netbook or a £300 laptop then it is over priced.

Time for my rant. Everytime i see someone using an Apple product i never look at them the same way again. I use an iphone/imac therefore i am an elitist. Just because someone uses Apple doesn't make them smarter than everyone else. That is all.

Have to say, but most people who buy macs do so because they don't care about the hardware/looking smart/etc... They just want something that works... That's why I bought a mac... I don't feel superior or smarter I just don't have to worry about my system doing something weird when I need to rely on it.

Also about the media player. The Apple won't let you use it because they don't own it

@bloodline. You are obviously an Apple fanboy. So does Master Steve Gobs own your abused sock or does he own yours? :roflmao:

yeah, I'm probably an Apple fanboy, not as much as I am an Amiga fanboy (the platform's been dead for 20 years and I'm still here!)... But really I just like the tight integration of hardware and software... For a few years I made my living using Macs running MacOSX with Apple's Logic Pro... (While selling my work via iTunes!) A complete apple solution which didn't give me any problems (unlike my previous Windows setup)...

I find myself coming to depend on my ability to write Apps for devices like the iPhone and the iPad to make ends meet... Apple make it really really easy for small developers like us to get our software to over 100 million users... So he'll yeah, I'm into that

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Kesa, Franko! You are both right, I used to make music professionally, now I write software... But chance perhaps more than design, Apple products have been key components in these activities. Though I would say that I learned both these trades on the Amiga and still would be using one if I could pay the bill that ways!

@Franko, Apple do dumb stuff down and target the "normal" guy on the street wiu their products, I can't argue against that... But I have to give them credit that I can as a bedroom coder make enough money to make ends meet because their IPhone/iPad app store... And I would encourage and assist anyone here to do the same!

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But Franko Bloodline is a professional dj. Djs don't actually make music they just use other peoples music and add sound effects and then sell it as a remix.

Actually I was the synth guy in a vaguely successful Electro-rock band... I've never been asked to DJ as my taste in music is rather avant garde...

I've done a fair bit of production work for other bands but no remixes to date...

What do they teach us at uni these days? Well they each us how to spell for a start. Teach is spelt as 'teach' not 'tech' :roflmao:

I studied Chemistry at uni... That was 10 years ago and I would have mocked anyone who used a mac... To be fair Mac's didn't use OSX in those days

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bah Apple..HP Palm TouchPad all the way:D

I'm actually looking forward to this one too! WebOS is rather good, we just have to see if HP screw it up

For the record, I have tried the Samsung Galaxy Tab and it was terrible... I wasn't very good at doing much... I don't generally see the need for tablet devices, so it has to be really good at what is does or I would rather use a laptop... The iPad only just gets away with it, and it doe that by being totally unobtrusive... The Galaxy made you aware of it's presence and you had to work against it to get stuff done!

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oh cool our very own washed out one hit wonder

Hahaha, almost... Except we never really had a "hit" :lol:

Tell me what it was called and i will download it for a listen

[YouTube]fXxmmakxJNQ[/YouTube]

[youtube]BIFwlkV6ANk[/YouTube]

there is plenty of stuff on YouTube and iTunes if you are interested

If you wan't to hear a cool techno/rock band try Def Fx. They are from Sydney in the 90's. They go off live too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDdWAGP1ie4

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Actually I just misused the YouTube tag, it's fixed now, scroll to the post and see... But you can search "tan hauser gate" to find our stuff

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@Bloodline i'm impressed. Can't believe you never had a hit.

You would be surprised how much politics there is in the music industry, if I could do it again I wouldn't sign with a record company again. You only really need them to get your record into bricks and mortar shops, and in theory they invest in you... but you would be better off building your own business plan, hiring your own PR agency and then releasing via iTunes. I could type for hours about what I learned

I'm not making music at this time, software development pays the bills for the time being...

Were you in the video? Maybe the person in your avatar? I intend to listen more in the near future. Plus added your band on facebook. Cheers.

That's me in my Avatar, let me know if there are any songs you particularly like. It's great to get feedback


@thread - that's basically it, the iPad is a content consumption device... The iPad 2 is going blur that a bit.

If anyone is interested, Apple demoed iMove and Garage Band at the keynote (both pieces of software only cost $4.99!?!?!)... And both look extremely good editing tools, they are far beyond the normal consumer level application I've seen before... And while I couldn't produce a song on it, I could easily write a song and put together a demo, which can be exported to Logic and then finished. That's actually something of a killer app for me :-o

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Just like there is anticompetitive practices of Apple... What do you think ? There's no magic. And Apple is no different. Amiga wouldn't be different either if they were still alive.

Ok, I'll bite. Can you list the anticompetitive practices, that Apple have been guilty of?

Microsoft, for example, threatened OEM PC manufacturers that if they tried to sell their system with a nonwindows OS, MS would stop selling them Windows licences... That's anticompetitive... There are plenty of other examples...

But there are loads of alternatives to Apple products, if you want to live an Apple free life you can and it's easy... Trying to live a Windows free life is almost impossible... I have a windows machine here for a few bits of software/games... And most employers will force you to use a Windows machine... Apple's strong Market position is driven by consumer demand (Apple using clever marketing and clearly defined Market segments to make things easy for the average consumer).

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Didn't you know? Apple has been allowing those Puny Humans to be destroyed and even profiting from it!

:lol: evil... Yes...

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My Fav bit, and don't know if anyone else mentioned it yet as not read through rest of thread.  Was the round of applause for a fucking cable.  Here you go gulible stupid public, HDMI mirror video output, but you will have to buy an extra dongle, what a lod of shit.

Well, no one is forcing you buy some stupid HDMI cable... But I will ask you one question... I have an iPhone 3GS, I can buy this cable can get HDMI output from my phone (should I want it, though I don't), are you able to buy an HDMI output for your current phone?