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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« on: December 05, 2002, 09:18:03 AM »
@all:

Who says insults ? who spreads misinformation or FUD ? who continues the war ? who is blind ?...

Again and again and again...

I know that is easy to say what you want when peoble are misinformed on forums like this (by some famous specialists of misinformation), especially when their passion forces them to believe blindly only on the "official" way and the simple "Amiga" name (aka the Hyperion/Eyetech/Amiga Inc. group).

But, again,  you can not change the reality, NEVER :

The great PowerPC Pegasos is ALREADY HERE,
The great MorphOS (AmigaOS compatible) is ALREADY HERE on Pegasos AND on Amiga Classic PPC (for 2 years).

Before to follow blindly and judge wrong, please try to see and to test YOURSELF these products already here, all these products :

Pegasos, MorphOS : there are a lot of meetings & shows for that and many betatesters around the world. After Aachen (next week-end in Germany), more and more users/consumers will own the FINAL release of the Pegasos/MorphOS at home. Seriously, it's very easy to see this reality.

AmigaOne, AmigaOS4 : there are also a lot of meetings & shows to see the AmigaOne (and to test it on... Linux). Sorry, that's the reality : you can not test the final AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (nor on AmigaClassic PPC) simply due to AmigaOS4 is not ready and finished (when ? that's the question...). Seriously, it's very easy to see this reality.

And don't forget that ALL these projects (Pegasos, MorphOS, AmigaOne, AmigaOS4) are ALL developped by TRUE Amigans (for many years) like you (I hope you are).
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2002, 10:11:01 AM »
Just to say that I prefer to believe hardware & software specialists like Gerald Carda (conceptor of Pegasos) and Ralph Schmidt (conceptor of MorphOS) than people like Alan Redhouse (reseller of Amiga products), Ben Hermans (lawyer), Frieden brothers (who try to develop an Operating System after * to port * games, that's absolutely not the same computing speciality).

And how to believe Ben Hermans (the lawyer) when he says that AmigaOS4 will be available on Amiga Classic PPC before the end of 2002 (25 days left...) and fully available (for users/consumers) on AmigaOne in March 2003 (CeBit in Germany said McEwen recently...), when they have ONLY what the MorphOS Team finished to develop * 2 years ago *...

Alan is a great reseller, Ben certainly a good lawyer, Frieden's sure good game developers, but sorry if I don't believe their estimations and plans in the AmigaOS4 development.

In reality, it's very strange : by reading the AmigaOS4 Team (beginners in high technology) we can think that is very easy to develop (or adapt) an Operating System, for example an OS4 just at the beginning. And by reading the MorphOS Team (professionals in high technology for many years) we can see that is not so easy to develop an Operating System, for example an MOS v1.0 ready to be used & sold now.

Sure, who to believe...
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2002, 10:23:49 AM »
@Fot:

Alan said : "Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital."

Sorry if I don't believe a man who doesn't know exactly what is a "SARL" company. ;)


"Do you honestly believe that Genesis will be able to market a product as the future Amiga platform without being able to call it Amiga?"

Definitely sure ! Simply because Pegasos and MorphOS are more open (portable and modern, not only the 68k to PPC port like OS4) than AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (with dogle limitation). In fact, I'm not sure that the "Amiga" name is really an advantage to attract more people and large consumers (for majority of people Amiga is definitely dead for many years, with an old image).
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2002, 11:07:06 AM »
"or at least they have their own perception of the truth."

But, who is right... ;)

Answer in the future.
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2002, 11:43:17 AM »
@MikeB:

Just a question : finally, what will you buy ? a great product ? or a "man/spokesman" ?

Be more adult.

For the moment, when I read you, and others, I see only a man who contributes to destroy the Pegasos/MorphOS products with personal (and not very intelligent) attacks directly against some persons, Bill Buck the first. You are the first to say that there are great people in the Genesi's Teams, but you can not understand (or is it your choice to do that ?...) that for many people your repetitives attacks against Bill Buck also insult all the teams and products. (It's easy to understand, and to see, that many people can not see the difference... just read the forums...).

So, if you have personal problems with Bill Buck, continue your personal attacks directly with him in private, but please stop that in public by insulting all the other teams & products.  Thanks.
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2002, 02:55:01 PM »
@Hermans:

Just a question : why don't you come personally to Aachen ?
To deliever something concrete before the end of 2002 as announced (i.e. OS4 on Amiga Classic PPC), and final OS4 on AmigaOne in March 2003, you should have great things to shown to everyone NOW, no ?...
As "OS4 Project Leader", do you know that the * minimal * betatest of the full OS4 on AOne will take you more than 3 little months ?... please, don't answer me that the tests of AmigaOne have started for 4 months or that the tests of AmigaOS4 have started for 1 year. I speach you about the time to test the complete OS4 on the final AmigaOne. I hope you don't believe that it will be fast and easy. It would be very unprofessional and irresponsible of your part.
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2002, 03:13:52 PM »
@Rose & Mike:

Your story is not complete...
(personally, when somebody is accused, I always listen first his personal explication. There are perhaps lawyers here, but also a lot of judges...).

"amiga-news.de: In comments on ANN both of you gave some facts and details. Petro stated that Bill and Raquel fought very hard for VisCorp (his employer those times) to buy AMIGA in the times of Escom bankruptcy. Petro said he believes bPlan are capable of managing the future. Bill stated that Thendic-France contracted bPlan to do some development work. Specifically, to develop the eclipsis. Bill, you said also your company worked very closely with Petro in 1995 and 1996. What did that mean exactly?

Thendic France: We did. Raquel and I paid the salaries and social/tax of the Amiga Inc. personnel from June 1996 through November 1996 ourselves, personally (so we had some "bucks" too...). It was the arrangement we made with Mr. Hembach, the Escom Bankruptcy Trustee, for the benefit of VisCorp and was the only way to keep Amiga alive. Our VisCorp Board agreed initially, but they did not support the effort as the details of the Escom bankruptcy became more public. It became very complicated and ultimately VisCorp cared more about its short term share price and completely abandoned the entire set-top box strategy. We were never reimbursed these funds, although we did win a legal settlement against VisCorp later (the legal issues at the time prevented us from coming public with the details). Petro worked with us and we worked hard together to sell the Amiga inventory (which reduced the transaction cost, but could not be used to pay personnel costs). In the end the VisCorp board decided not to complete the transaction and we resigned. Petro went on to Gateway; VisCorp died eventually.

We are sure that Petro will admit that without our money at the time both he personally, and Amiga itself as a complete package (the intellectual property and the significant inventory of A1200s and components), would have had a very hard time surviving. Mr. Hembach, the bankruptcy trustee, wanted to sell everything any way he could. He would have split the intellectual property into pieces and this would have made future success for Amiga impossible. Petro gets the credit for convincing Mr. Hembach to keep the package together. Helmut Jost also deserves some credit too as he was the last CEO of Escom and was retained by Mr. Hembach to assist him, while Petro kept the sales channels open and "Amiga" alive. Perhaps, it is finally time for that information to be better known. "
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2002, 03:35:47 PM »
@Mike:

"AmigaOS4 is made up of different components. Many of these components are finished and have been undergoing beta-testing for a very long time now."

I'm very happy that you have replied this answer, exactly what I have waited ;)

That's the classic arguments of Hermans & Redhouse.

And I say that the professionalism and serious of some people in the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 stop here, with this bad argument.

Which (true) specialist can say that everything will well run, without problems, immediately, easy and fast, because "many of these components are finished and have been undergoing beta-testing for a very long time now" ? incredible thing.

"many" is not "all".
"components" are not the "complete system".
"beta-testing" on what ? if the answer is on Amiga Classic, please come back when you will have fully tested it on AmigaOne... ;)

These arguments are absolutely not the reasons to run directly without problems on AmigaOne, with the complete system. My personal knowledges & experience in computing tell me that (no minor) problems will appear when the AmigaOS4 Team will start to test the * complete * OS4 system on AmigaOne(s) computer(s). Also, I think that is very pretentious to consider so easy/simple an operating system of a computer (that's very not a game).
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2002, 04:01:51 PM »
@Mike:

"Bill has 0% creditibility left for me, both due to what he spreads publicly and due to my personal experiences with this guy."

Yeah, everybody here, and everywhere, has well understood your personal opinions of Bill Buck (you've spread them so many times :-P). But, again, that are your personal problem and point of view.

You can believe that your truth, with YOUR reasons, is a reality, but * try * to accept that our truth, with OUR reasons, are also perhaps a reality... ;)


"The fact is that he was the CEO of VisCorp at the time and the company management was a fiasco."

Do you know that Pretory is a great success ?... ;-)
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2002, 04:14:32 PM »
@Mike:

"No, but IMO your question was answered correctly. Believe me if Ambient would have been tested on classic hardware for a year already, I believe Ambient wouldn't have been as unstable as it is today."

That's correct. But just a correction (again) : today Ambient is NOT as unstable as you say. Last 2 months, the progress of Ambient has been very important, and you will be very (well) surprised in Aachen :-)
I would like to say, and to see, the same things for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (on Amiga Classic PPC it won't be a serious result for me)...
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2002, 10:33:14 AM »
@siciliano:

Come back when you will know what you say.

Or come to Aachen to test & use yourself MorphOS in live on the Pegasos.

But sorry, in Aachen you won't test & use AmigaOS4 in live on AmigaOne since AmigaOS4 is not ready...
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Re: Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarification
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2002, 10:41:49 AM »
"Some days ago, I read an article of somebody who tryed this system, sying that it's full of errors and not very stable."

When was published this article ?...

Are you sure its writer is impartial and objective ?...

Have you * recently  tested  yourself * MorphOS on Pegasos ?...

And do you think that AmigaOS4 * on AmigaOne * has today no errors and it's very stable ?...
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