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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Announcements and Press Releases => Topic started by: A1260 on December 31, 2007, 02:39:07 PM
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Hyperion Entertainment extends its best wishes for 2008 to all of its customers and supporters world-wide.
In 2007, Hyperion and the AmigaOS 4.x development team continued its tireless work on Hyperion’s renowned PowerPC based, multi-media centric operating system, AmigaOS 4, with the release of two significant (free for download) updates and the release of AmigaOS 4.0 for the original Amiga 1200/3000/4000 line of computers equipped with PowerPC accelerator cards. AmigaOS 4.0 is now (and has been since quite some time) by far the largest update of AmigaOS in Amiga history dating back to 1987.
Thanks to our strategic partnership with Acube Systems s.r.l which acts as Hyperion’s global producer and distributor, the production value of the Amiga 1200/3000/4000 version of AmigaOS 4.0, with heavy cardboard box, dedicated emergency floppy and glossy Quick Start manual, brought professional production values back to the Amiga platform which have not been seen since the demise of Commodore.
Building on that work, Hyperion is committed to continue development of AmigaOS 4.x in the year 2008 by drastically expanding both the feature-set of AmigaOS 4.x and the range of supported PowerPC based target hardware.
A number of exciting new features are currently already undergoing beta-testing with more functionality under development and scheduled for release in 2008.
Amiga 1200/3000/4000 users of AmigaOS 4.0 can look forward to a free update early 2008 bringing increased compatibility for legacy third-party hardware add-ons and improved driver support.
Users of AmigaOne hardware will also be in for a major treat in early H1/2008 and they certainly will not be the only ones.
Hyperion Entertainment once more wishes to thank all of its supporters and customers for their loyal and patient support without whom there would be no future for AmigaOS.
Please rest assured that in 2008, just as in 2007, Hyperion will continue to deliver.
Happy New Year!
http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz:8080/news/2007-12-31
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...with heavy cardboard box, dedicated emergency floppy and glossy Quick Start manual, brought professional production values back to the Amiga platform which have not been seen since the demise of Commodore.
Oh really? What about OS3.5/3.9? Were these not professional productions?
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Building on that work, Hyperion is committed to continue development of AmigaOS 4.x in the year 2008 by drastically expanding both the feature-set of AmigaOS 4.x and the range of supported PowerPC based target hardware.
Assuming the legal wranglings don't get in the way, this is great news! Hopefully it will include an official way of running it on PPC Macs :-)
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Oh really? What about OS3.5/3.9? Were these not professional productions?
i think they mean the fact OS4 is theoretically sold in a cardboard box with a manual. OS3.9 was only ever a CD, but I remember OS3.5 came in a box, with a (thin) manual.
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by far the largest update of AmigaOS in Amiga history dating back to 1987.
I consider 1.3->2.0 larger.
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i think they mean the fact OS4 is theoretically sold in a cardboard box with a manual. OS3.9 was only ever a CD, but I remember OS3.5 came in a box, with a (thin) manual.
OS3.9 had only a jewel case with a booklet and an option of a heavy book, thats right but due to the fact that the cardbox of OS4 was send as DIY Kit to most of the customers and not build or wrapped like the OS3.5 box I wouldn't call this a professional production either.
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Users of AmigaOne hardware will also be in for a major treat in early H1/2008 and they certainly will not be the only ones.
Could that mean that AOS 4.0 will also be released for Pegasos hardware and maybe Efika!?
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but due to the fact that the cardbox of OS4 was send as DIY Kit to most of the customers and not build or wrapped like the OS3.5 box I wouldn't call this a professional production either.
Agreed, that's why I said OS4 is theoretically sold in a cardboard box :-D
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Glad to hear from Hyperion, still, no new hardware save the MiniMig has me concerned.
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re professional production values:
It's all in the emergency boot floppy.
Could you load OS3.5/3.5 on a vanilla machine? Could you boot from an appropriate floppy rescue disk if needed?
iirc 3.5 and 3.9 had no emergency rescue disk: you had to create one as you went along?
For what it's worth, 3.5 did have a nicer box...
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It's all in the emergency boot floppy.
Could you load OS3.5/3.5 on a vanilla machine? Could you boot from an appropriate floppy rescue disk if needed?
iirc 3.5 and 3.9 had no emergency rescue disk: you had to create one as you went along?
So it all belongs to the boot disk? I don't remember about 3.5 but 3.9 can create such a disk if needed. I don't see the point why OS3.5/3.9 is no professional production. Maybe Hyperion should take less drugs.
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Painkiller Posted: 2007/12/31 9:56:27
ould that mean that AOS 4.0 will also be released for Pegasos hardware and maybe Efika!?
that will NEVER happen, period!
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@a1260
If Hyperion is unwilling to have their OS on hardware other than their limited subset, then they are being foolish and stubborn. It is time to move past such petty concepts as blue/red trolls and instead deliver the best option for the marketplace, period.
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that will NEVER happen, period!
I agree, AI will never allow their OS to be sold for Genesi products.
Dammy
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@damocles
Again, my statement above, if they are unwilling to accept the reality of the market, that is that Genesi has delivered one of the few viable platforms for said system, then they will die. It is time to put aside egos here.
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@downix
you should ask your self: why should them...
the pegasos v1 and v2 hw is old by now... eifka is new but crippled industry hw... no new morphos is going to be released for that hw either...
so why should hyperion/ainc throw money on it... business wise its not profitable at all...
releasing os4.0 on sam is a start in the rigth direction. then it hopefully will evolve from there and onto newer hw as time goes on..
just admit it your just to biased, and no one feel sorry for your bad choice that is called pegasos/morphos. its time to move on and buy os4.0 and the hw that runs it...
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@A1260
the pegasos v1 and v2 hw is old by now... eifka is new but crippled industry hw... no new morphos is going to be released for that hw either...
AFAIK MorphOS 2 is under development and will support Efika.
so why should hyperion/ainc throw money on it... business wise its not profitable at all...
I would imagine it would take minimal effort on their part to make OS4 boot on Genesi PPC hardware. Considering AInc's current business model is to not allow OS4 on any currently-available hardware I can't see what they have to lose.
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AFAIK MorphOS 2 is under development and will support Efika.
thats not what i have heard...
I would imagine it would take minimal effort on their part to make OS4 boot on Genesi PPC hardware. Considering AInc's current business model is to not allow OS4 on any currently-available hardware I can't see what they have to lose.
they must take baby steps first and sam is the rigth thing at the moment. and not genesis ppc hw, thats the way it is now...
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AFAIK MorphOS 2 is under development and will support Efika.
thats not what i have heard...
I remember the developers mentioned it a while back, and I don't recall reading anything to say they had stopped development. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS) still refers to a MorphOS version in development for Efika.
I do agree that they need to make OS4 available for Sam, given that it's available (unlike the A1.) Indeed if I had to choose I would prefer to see OS4 for Sam than Efika. However it would be nice if OS4 supported as wide a range of PPC hardware as possible.
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@A1260
Um, dude, you shot yourself in the foot with that arguement.
"eifka is new but crippled industry hw"
(I assume you mean the Efika) then a few lines lower:
"releasing os4.0 on sam is a start in the rigth direction."
The Efika uses the MPC5200, SAM using the AMCC 440EP. The 5200 runs at 400Mhz, 603e based core, getting 833DMIPS. The 440EP by comparison run at 333Mhz-533Mhz, depending on model, and has a PowerPC 440 core, getting 1066MIPS @533Mhz.
The two machines are running very similar CPU's designed for very similar markets. To proclaim one being crippled and the other an ideal target is an insult to the good engineers of both platforms.
I based my critique based on the realities of todays market, that the community needs a unifying force, not further divides. Truth be, OS4 needs the Efika more than the Efika needs OS4, simply for the symbol of reaching across the isle, to embrace your fellow Amigan, to let by gones be by gones, and to unify to focus on growing our market.
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yes they are similar but also very different, so no foot is shoot here. i agree with the "embrace your fellow Amigan, to let by gones be by gones". but this should be started with a new hw called the sam...
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And who wrote that the SAM440 was really working ?
Who tried it fully with a Linux ?
Strange isn' it ?
At least Efika works with Linux and MOrphOS v2. There were demonstrations of that, even on Youtube you'll get vidéos...
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@A1260
I look at them and the differences I see lie in the Efika's favor, save the FPGA (which is probably the only reason I'd buy a SAM over the Efika). I'm very looking forward to the PVR based graphics, as i've been a big fan of PVR technology ever since the Dreamcast.
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@Piru
I think that is what they were referring to since 2.0 came out in '87 IIRC.
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@SamuraiCrow
I think that is what they were referring to since 2.0 came out in '87 IIRC.
2.0 did not come out in 87, 1.2 did.
Surely Hyperion isn't making the same mistake?
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I remember the developers mentioned it a while back, and I don't recall reading anything to say they had stopped development
The development has not stopped. I should know, considering I'm one of the guys developing it. ;-)
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The development has not stopped. I should know, considering I'm one of the guys developing it. ;-)
That's good to hear :-) I don't suppose there's any chance of it being ported to other PPC hardware? (I know it's cheeky to ask, but it's always worth asking ;-) )
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@Piru
I'm sure they didn't make that mistake. There are some large things to consider here, even if you are one of the 'big ones' when it comes to Morphos development. Since You think 1.3 to 2.0 is bigger, I'd like to give you another point of view. Perhaps you're thinking in a developers point of view.
This is the first Amiga OS for another architecture when it comes to the classic computers. It also is the first OS to have much more strict rules about what is OK and what isn't, and it's the first Amiga OS you could install without having a previous OS installed since 3.1. It has alot of powerful features, not only for users but for developers aswell. It's the first Amiga OS which can actually attract new, beginners, customers, since Amiga OS 3.1.
Yeah, the 1.3 to 2.0 may have been big.. but this one means a whole lot more, atleast to me. I've heard some developers saying that now things are more logical, easier.
Belittling this effort, these accomplishment has no value to you.
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Thank you, Hyperion.
Happy New Year!
Robert Bernardo
Fresno Commodore User Group
http://videocam.net.au/fcug
The Other Group of Amigoids
http://www.calweb.com/~rabel1/
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@reflect
You know, I did not see Piru as putting down this effort, only offering his viewpoint.
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just admit it your just to biased, and no one feel sorry for your bad choice that is called pegasos/morphos. its time to move on and buy os4.0 and the hw that runs it...
What hardware that runs it :-? 10+ year old Cyberstorm for $1,000? :lol: Hardly new. Sam is no more a target platform then Efika. If Sam even shipping? Has it ever shipped? There is NO new hardware for sale capable of running OS4.
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@reflect
You're entitled to have your opinion. As an OS developer, however, I see many of the OS4 design choices as quite - well frankly - bad. Many of those bad choices were later reversed, though. Yet, I see OS4 as half-breed between totally new concept and trying to stick to 3.x compatibility. The result: Not quite all brand new system, yet not quite 3.x compatible system either. But hey, I bet 4.1 (assuming the legal troubles can be resolved) will solve all this by throwing away rest of the legacy "crap".
Still, considering the time spent, and the availability of technology and information at the time, I still rank 1.3 -> 2.0 much higher than 3.9 -> 4.0.
You don't need to agree.
Oh heh, it's 2008 here btw, better get back to work now :-)
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@Piru
Who is more compatible to AmigaOS 3.x:
MorphOS?
or OS4?
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AFAIK MorphOS 2 is under development and will support Efika.
Question is, will AROS beat (http://www.thenostromo.com/archives/teamaros/2007-12/msg00010.html) MOS2 to EFIKA?
Dammy
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Well. at least some things never change, like Hyperion statements full of laughably exagerated claims. "Hyperion renowned AmigaOS 4"?? Biggest update since 1987???
No word on putting all the Amiga eggs in the PPC basket and then watching the bottom fall out of it, so all we're left with is a smelly mess on the floor? Nothing about delivering only about half a decade too late?
Hyperion, have a nice 2008, but YOU BLEW IT!!!
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This is announcement is a mixed bag for me.
I always like the way vendors give their New Years Greetings...it really hits home on the New Year, giving one excitement and anticipation for the New Year...just brightens the holiday, these greetings, and all the other ones you get from friends and family, of course.
Then again, Hyperion's announcement is confusing... Hyperion's operating system? Is is Hyperion OS 4 or Amiga OS 4?
Not that I like Amiga, but when Hyperion writes a strangely worded missive, I have to wonder if their lawyers asked them to write this greeting, or if it was genuine.
On the other hand, I do not share some of the same criticism I have read in this thread... largest update, yes. Largest just means the largest in terms of bytes the update takes on disk. It probably is the largest update.
Amigans used to value efficiency, and didn't brag about how bloated something was...but the truth is....larger tends to be better, for various reasons, i.e. more features, doing more...supporting a whole new hardware architecture.
The main thing of interest is that they plan to support a larger range of hardware options.
Someone said its not Amigas business model, to support unlicensed platforms, like old Mac hardware or Genesi hardware....I had to laugh...please, I know what you mean, but business model it is not. It's their current rules maybe... a 'business' implies something, that I don't think Amiga knows much about.
Anyway...happy new years to everyone. And Hyperion...not really a fan of what you've done with Amiga OS, other the you did something... but then again, what would have been Amiga OS, MorphOS, has done something too, they just don't have the name....but Hyperion, wish you the best anyway, and I hope you succeed in 2008, supporting a wide range of platforms, with your updated, but still obsolete, Hyperion OS 4... I hope you get there, a modern Amiga-like, Hyperion OS 4, would be interesting indeed.
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@Bhoggett
Thank you! Been saying that for months. By the same token, x86 is just a gilded cage. I say, take control of the platform, if you can't own the parts in it, I want none of it. License ARM, SPARC, MIPS, SuperH, SOMEONE that you can, should your vendor flake out on you, you can go to someone else with!
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Hyperion Entertainment extends its best wishes for 2008 to all of its customers and supporters world-wide.
Best wishes to Hyperion Entertainment, the OS4 development team and OS4 beta testers.
My classic Amiga is an ancient A2000HD, which I purchased in 1989. It has been running Amiga OS3.1 for many years.
Just over 3 years ago, I purchased a Micro AmigaOne. On December 18, 2004, I powered up my brand new MicroA1 for the first time and installed AmigaOS 4.0 from the CD. Clean install on a brand new machine with no other operating system required. No fuss or bother.
For me, AmigaOS 4.0 was a joy to behold. It was familiar, colourful and usable.
And that was AmigaOS 4.0 Developer Pre-release update 1.
Since then, I have updated as new updates became available (update 2, update 3, update 4, OS4 Final Update (aka December 2006 update) and July 2007 update).
I use my OS4 machine every day for web browsing, listening to internet music and general enjoyment.
Thanks to Hyperion, the OS4 development team, and OS4 beta testers for a very fine product.
I look forward to more updates in 2008.
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redfox
MicroA1-C (IBM PowerPC 750 GX)
AmigaOS 4.0 July 2007 Update
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Poster: DJBase Posted: 2007/12/31 16:51:59
...with heavy cardboard box, dedicated emergency floppy and glossy Quick Start manual, brought professional production values back to the Amiga platform which have not been seen since the demise of Commodore.
Oh really? What about OS3.5/3.9? Were these not professional productions?
And from where did you get AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 with heavy cardboard box, dedicated emergency floppy and printed manual? I would really like to hear where you did get those, because all I got was a CD and nothing else.
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Tying "professional" to a card-box and some printed manual ain't the most stupid thing I've heard in the Amiga-market, but it surely makes the top 10 list ....
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Who is more compatible to AmigaOS 3.x:
MorphOS? or OS4?
Good question, but I may risk an opinion. IMHO MorphOS wins the compatibility race. It also runs 68K apps faster, and support for WarpUP/PowerUP programs either never existed or was recently removed from OS4.
However, UAE beats them both :-)
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..the Amiga 1200/3000/4000 version of AmigaOS 4.0, with heavy cardboard box, dedicated emergency floppy and glossy Quick Start manual...
:cry: My "heavy cardboard box" got crushed in shipping....