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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2005, 02:35:35 PM »
ice melts, or the electronics explode due to being too cold.  A CPU that'll run 200 degrees or higher isn't going to cancel out a -190 degree cooler.  The surrounding components that never reach high temperatures anyway will certainly not function too long at -140 to -190 degrees when their normal operating temp is room temp..
 

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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2005, 02:38:48 PM »
I would love to see them do the same thing with an amigaone might be able to get 1.3 gig with lots of smoke. :-D
I once had an amigaone xe but sold it .

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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2005, 02:41:25 PM »
Yeah.. buh, well, you have to make sacrifices to be the first to pass the 5GHz barrier :lol:

Come on, what's electrocution, picking bits of silicon shrapnel out of your face, 3rd degree burns and near death by asphyxiation from combatting the ensuing fire with the remaining dewar of liquid nitrogen suffered in the quest for another willy notch in the MHz scale?
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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2005, 02:47:13 PM »
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I'll wait until next year when Intel and AMD legitimately break the 4ghz barrier, then 6 more months for the 5Ghz barrier.

I wouldn't hold your breath.  Intel cancelled their 4GHz P4 and I'd imagine it will take a while for a chip based on the Pentium-M architecture to ratchet up that high.

The MHz/GHz war is running out of steam, that's why all the major chipmakers are turning to dual-core.
 

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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2005, 02:48:34 PM »
Let's see what diamond based semiconductor will allow before we totally write off the GHz contest...
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Re: 5ghz+
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2005, 02:50:55 PM »
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Let's see what diamond based semiconductor will allow before we totally write off the GHz contest...


Yeah, that stuff can take quite a bit of heating :-o

But I think that technology is a while off... Dual cores will take up the slack for the next few years...

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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2005, 10:49:02 AM »
Hum,
So is anyone following the CELL technology?

10 x faster than the fastest pentiun or graphics card (today) and 100x faster next year....
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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2005, 12:00:14 PM »
Cell tchnology ... look what I found :

"To date the PC has defeated everything in it's path [PCShare]. No competitor, no matter how good has even got close to replacing it. If the Cell is placed into desktop computers it may be another victim of the PC. However, I think for a number of reasons that the Cell is not only the biggest threat the PC has ever faced, but also one which might actually have the capacity to defeat it.

The Sincerest Form of Flattery is Theft

20 years ago an engineer called Jay Miner who had been working on video games (he designed the Atari 2600 chip) decided to do something better and produce a desktop computer which combined a video game chipset with a workstation CPU. The prototype was called Lorraine and it was eventually released to the market as the Commodore Amiga. The Amiga had hardware accelerated high colour screens, a GUI based multitasking OS, multiple sampled sound channels and a fast 32 bit CPU. At the time PCs had screens displaying text, a speaker which beeped and they ran MSDOS on a 16 bit CPU. The Amiga went on to sell in millions but the manufacturer went bankrupt in 1994.

Like many other platforms which were patently superior to it, the Amiga was swept aside by the PC.

The PC has seen off every competitor that has crossed paths with it, no matter how good the OS or hardware. The Amiga in 1985 was years ahead of the PC, it took more than 5 years for the PC to catch up with the hardware and 10 years to catch up with the OS. Yet the PC still won, as it did against every other platform. The PC has been able to do this because of a huge software base and it's ability to steal the competitors clothes, low prices and high performance were not a factor until much later. If you read the description of the Amiga I gave again you'll find it also describes a modern PC. The Amiga may have introduced specialised chips for graphics acceleration and multitasking to the desktop world but now all computers have them.

In the case of the Amiga it was not the hardware or the price which beat it. It was the vast MSDOS software base which prevented it getting into the business market, Commodore's ability to shoot themselves in the foot finished finished them off. NeXT came along next with even better hardware and an even better Unix based OS but they couldn't dent the PC either. It was next to be dispatched and again the PC later caught up and stole all it's best features, it took 13 years to bring memory protection to the consumer level PC.

The PC can and does take on the best features of competitors, history has shown that even if this takes a very long time the PC still ultimately wins. Could the PC not just steal the Cell's unique attributes and cast it aside also?"

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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2005, 12:39:18 PM »
Heh.  I would have thought if the people in the Amiga community had learnt anything, it's not to listen to new product announcements.

 

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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2005, 09:19:34 PM »
Personally, I would like to see a microprocessor that ran cool enough not to need a cooling fan at all - or liquid nitrogen - even if I did have to give up a few clock cycles. Properly optimized operating system code would more than make up for a little loss in speed for many purposes.  Even with three cooling fans my P3 still overheats sometimes and I run it at it's rated speed.
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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2005, 09:39:56 PM »
@bjjones37:

In what way does it overheat? The P3 cpu is not a very hot running cpu so if it is the cpu that overheats, something must be very wrong - like for example bad thermal transfer between the heatsink and cpu or something similar. In that case remove the old thermal paste and reapply new.


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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2005, 10:02:56 PM »
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patrik wrote:
@bjjones37:

In what way does it overheat? The P3 cpu is not a very hot running cpu so if it is the cpu that overheats, something must be very wrong - like for example bad thermal transfer between the heatsink and cpu or something similar. In that case remove the old thermal paste and reapply new.


/Patrik


It used some kind of thermal tape that melted when it ran to bond the two together.  Is this inferior to thermal paste?  Should I scrape it off and replace it?  

That aside, I still would rather have processors run cooler even at the sacrifice of some speed.  I have heard that Motorola processors usually run cooler that Intel processors at comparable performance (not necessarily clock speed).  Is this true?
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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2005, 10:18:30 PM »
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bjjones37 wrote:

It used some kind of thermal tape that melted when it ran to bond the two together.  Is this inferior to thermal paste?  Should I scrape it off and replace it?  

That aside, I still would rather have processors run cooler even at the sacrifice of some speed.  I have heard that Motorola processors usually run cooler that Intel processors at comparable performance (not necessarily clock speed).  Is this true?


Yes, that would be a good idea. However, the only x86 based solution that comes close to what you desire is the VIA Eden, plus they come in miniITX, just a thought.
 

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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2005, 10:27:48 PM »
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adz wrote:


Yes, that would be a good idea. However, the only x86 based solution that comes close to what you desire is the VIA Eden, plus they come in miniITX, just a thought.


Hey that VIA Eden chip does look great! If it has full MS software compatibility, that might just be my next computer. My P3-1GHz runs everything I have at a decent speed and that chip might even have better performance with it's SSE support.
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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2005, 10:33:59 PM »
Hum,
AMD has full MS software compatibility as well, i thought...

(As well as coppermine... ;) , compatible with your mobo)

Best used with artic thermal paste....(apply not too thick , less than a mm)

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Re: burn, baby, burn...
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 08, 2005, 10:39:33 PM »
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bjjones37 wrote:
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adz wrote:


Yes, that would be a good idea. However, the only x86 based solution that comes close to what you desire is the VIA Eden, plus they come in miniITX, just a thought.


Hey that VIA Eden chip does look great! If it has full MS software compatibility, that might just be my next computer. My P3-1GHz runs everything I have at a decent speed and that chip might even have better performance with it's SSE support.


Bear in mind that my 2Ghz Athlon64 3200+ runs at 26 degrees C... that a damn slight cooler than any 68k I've enver seen.