A-EON Technology Acquires Personal Paint

[OlafS3]

Is your statement above meant as a positive comment on their dedication to our community, or a negative accusation?  I can't tell, but since there are a few other negative comments in this thread, it makes your comment also appear as a negative commentary on their efforts.

Not everyone will agree with all of the decisions made by A-Eon, and they don't have to, but what I don't understand is any complaints about A-Eon's efforts and involvement in the community.  Even if you don't agree with some of their choices, I think that all users should appreciate the fact that A-Eon is trying to make our community better, by investing time and money in many different aspects of our community.

I happen to agree that the highest priority to keep our community alive is the need for more and better software, now that all 4 camps appear to have sufficient hardware choices to run which ever OS you prefer.  If people don't agree with A-Eon's choices to help spur new development, and support existing programmers, then I wish they would suggest productive alternatives, instead of just spewing out negative criticism all the time, with no ideas of their own on what would be a better way to help create new software, or support our existing programmers.

Your comment may be completely neutral and innocent.  Some of our other members can't claim neutrality or innocence for their obvious attempts to tear down, or attack the efforts of well meaning supporters of our community.  You don't have to agree with everything that anyone else does or proposes, but constructive criticism, or alternative productive suggestions are better, and actual actions to make things better are best.

then a simply counterquestion... why removing old versions, why trying to control everything?

Another question: what would the same people that are now cheering and high-fiving say if someone (with lots of money) would support MorphOS and would have done the same what they are now doing? Pascal told that when he asked to buy amigaworld that he got bashed by the same people now cheering. But anyway the online "NG" community is not representing "the community", people you meet in real (except perhaps amiwest). They (Amigakit + A-eon) seem to try to imitate Apple now but there is no Steve Jobs so it will not work. But at least they are already using every chance to successfully polarize.

A sad development

I can only say nothing comes with a price. Apple is heavy polarizing and are paying the price now because many people dislike the company and will not buy their products. Copying Apple creates the same effect in the amiga community now (and I am not the only person who thinks that way people should look on other forums and not only in certain forums that make a misleading impression).

[OlafS3]

I can't believe what I am reading here.  I must be mistaken in thinking that you are the programmer who I donated a G4 MacMini MorphOS system to years ago, with the hopes that you would produce some useful software, or at least port some existing software of your own, or others, to the MorphOS platform.

I would think that as a programmer, you would support the right of other programmers to do what ever they want with their code, including trying to sell it in any way that they choose.

And then to accuse A-Eon of being greedy, or for destroying our community just makes me furious!  I doubt that Trevor Dickinson will ever make a single penny of profit from our community, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars developing new hardware for those interested in running AmigaOS4.x on PPC computers, plus investing time and money in so many other ways to support programmers and others in our community, without even asking for any kind of return on his investments or donations in MOST cases.  If Trevor did not have such a thick skin and if he were not so dedicated to all parts of the Amiga community, unfounded attacks such as yours could have caused him to leave, or stop investing his time and money into our community.

I believe that even the members of our community who dislike the products currently available from A-Eon, or who dislike the decisions they have made on the direction they support AmigaOS4.x users (which is not the only part of the community they support), would agree that Trevor and A-Eon deserve some credit for at least attempting to do something, while so many others just complain and do nothing.

It is people who act like you just did Minuous, who make me sick, and wonder why anyone would act that way.  Like his products and services or not, and agree or disagree with his decisions on how to support our community, what gives you the right to ask him to leave our community and to accuse him falsely, as you have done?  You obviously don't know much of anything about the man!  I don't always agree with all of his decisions, but I have deep respect for his commitment and huge generosity toward so many different parts of our community.  I have lost 100% of the respect I used to have for you Minuous.

Moderators, please edit out anything I have written in anger that is not appropriate, or has broken any of our site rules (though I don't think I have).  :angry:

You are too often on amiga.org and amigaworld.net

On both sites most people with different views have left and only certain people are left. I do not say the announcement that it will be available for free is wrong but I say they are at least not honest. They are always talking about the "community", that they just bought forum sites for the community only altruistic and at the same time clearly using their money for economic interests. They should at least admit that and not only marketing blabla. If you read the reactions outside the tiny AmigaOS world (f.e. german sites) the reactions are very different. Both Cloanto and Aeonkit have not done them any favor by it. They seem to have lost understanding of the community.

[OlafS3]

First I ever heard of that.

He wrote that he asked but got harsh reactions. The people of a certain camp are obviously measuring different depending on where you are from. But that is not really new.

[OlafS3]

If you react to harsh reactions everytime you want to get things done, you will be paralyzed. Thats said; Pascal is very active and doing alot of good work. I think its better to focus on the good aspects of developments on the different platforms, instead of trying to villify the "others".
You say "camps", but from where Im sitting, every socalled "camp" got their "fundamentalists" that see no flaws in their design or arguments.

"AOS supporters" are no better or worse in that respect.

People have commented up thru the years about lack of software, hardware and developments/updates. I think it has been shown so far that hard cash has helped accelerate the developments on all those aspects. Ill grant you that the hardware platform is quite/very expensive, but for those that doesnt want to go that route, there is emulation or other platforms.

I see people say Personal Paint is old and worthless, but still they are up in arms about its removal. Everything has to be free it seems. No wonder developers left/are leaving.

@wawzon "there is no user base to sustain commercial developments. i wonder what you are expecting the users to do, if you get rid of this what you call psyche and start charge users for what has previously been available for free.."

Then you could flip it around; maybe there are no userbase because there have been no updates or developments for decades? Maybe the reason for this is the prevailent attitude that everything have to be free shunning away the developers? The "free lunch" approach has been attempted for decades and failed, so I dont see the big problem with letting AeonKit try their approach.
Looking at Aminet and OSdepot; there are so many programs freely available I dont really understand why people bounces off the walls for the removal of a few; with the intent to update and develop them.

Again nobody seems to want to answer the simple question, just dancing around with lots of words

Why removing it? Three words and a very simple and understandable question. I have not heard any real explanation just excuses or people saying not a problem but no answer...