Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community

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9. If Commodore USA does not perform the required work in 6 months of the project commencement date, then the 500+ customers have the option to withdraw immediately for a full refund of their prepayment.
14. In the meantime, Commodore USA will potentially continue with its current x86 based Commodore AMIGA plans, that will co-exist with the community's desired Commodore AMIGA branded product/s.


Six months you play, while they conquer with the "clone wars"

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Straight to the point, not messing about!

I wonder how many people feel like you do...

+1

Its interesting that people DO BELIEVE what ..?
That CUSA can:

-  actually develop system?
- Order from their factories in China if get 500 preorders
- Improve existing  OS4 / AROS-Natami / MOS products?
- Have alliance wih Hyperion/Acube based on joint product Hyperion
   was never asked for?
- Buy existing Amiga product and rebrand it? Which product? And you would again pay more for re-brand?

Its not only a problem that "Community" is not single minded with the plan,
seems neither CUSA is.

The magic question is "what product is"

At the other hand, don`t mind that CUSA will NOT change its way on making its own Amiga line and advertising it.

Making community project secured by community is nothing to lose tactics, while you will not be able to object their main product line that meanwhile goes for advertising, while this project gets NDA. If 500 preorders fails, its the community "is wrong". As CUSA is company that neither designs hardware or software, what  can we believe is that they can rebrand existing products as usual.

Short - many obstacles, little chances of success, win-win of CUSA

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Without this:
Natami is closer then ever
MOS 3.x supports more Macs
AmigaOS 4 gets low end and high end hardware next year

Where would be place for new products?

Would it have any effect beside "healing relations wits CUSA"

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I. I however run CommodoreOS (linux mint) on my laptop - exclusively at the moment, because the installer was buggy and deleted Windows from it, even though I selected to install in the other partition (which was the bigger one anyways and therefore preselected).

Thanks for sharing the experience.

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That is the best quote of the day!

Truly, a Windows killer. With Intel inside!

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...and dont forget this is a company that have a $30 Million ad budget!!.

That is just for advertising alone.

But there is a free solution!
http://www.mintppc.org/

Mint 11 PPC could be CommodoreOS Special Edition :afro:

And iy would make us feel equal

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You mean a company that deals with Amiga Inc, like Hyperion or Cloanto?

Currently Hyperion and Cloanto are completely independent from Amiga Inc, Cloanto as far older company, and Hyperion as older company that won AmigaOS in court case.

Contrary, CUSA is Amiga Inc licencee that either has funded Amiga Inc or will fund it with each CommodoreUSA "Amiga" sold.

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And that of course, is the golden question.

Honestly Dammy, the best thing CUSA could do now is sell on the Amiga name to Hyperion and make Commodore PCs to their hearts content. At least that would save them some hate mail.

This is true. If CUSA kept it to the Commodore 64x and Commodore PCs with no Amiga mention, bet people here would be far more supporative or neutral.

, I have come to believe the Amiga line-up maybe should be split into two parts - a Classic Amiga (to please all retro fans) and a new x86 futuristic-looking Amiga PC either with native AmigaOS functionality built-in to the kernel for the mainstream market

This was early Middle man post. Generally this is true, where Classic oriented projects like AROS 68k, AmiKit, AmigaForever and Natami go for first option and second is AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS just on PPC not on x86.

In these terms, CUSA ideas fall nowhere and try to reinvent the existing wheel, while pretending there are no either 1) or 2) lines existing, and that is what offends people much.

Stick to the truth - sell CommodoreUSA Computer 2011 or similar UltraGiga
and that is not an offense to anyone. State in the history you are new company that has drawn licence to make Commodore (or Amiga Classic) look a likes, with emulation software, that are generaly, same good PCs.

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Exactly, or more specifically, they only own the "OS4 additions" to Amiga OS, and that Amiga OS *is still owned* by Amiga Inc, and without it there can be no OS4! So again – Hyperion *did not* win anything, they *don't* own Amiga OS, and they *are not* independent of Amiga Inc.

While I agree with your signature (MOS is AmigaOS done right, or done better) this is quite untrue.

Hyperion is independent company from Amiga Inc. and always was. There are no OS 4 additions, but as you know since the recompile and lot of changes, it is considered to be a new version of OS. So yes, Amiga Inc owns AmigaOS 3.1 and Hyperion owns OS 4.1. When we take away emulation purposes, Hyperion owns AmigaOS as something to be developed.

AmigaOS 3.1 was not developed by AmigaInc they just own it as asset of transfers, so there is no direct relevance here either.

Hyperion got a settlement, where AmigaOS belongs to them and Amiga name can be rented (licenced) by Amiga Inc. Direct result of the second is CUSA, which owns its Amiga line existance and Commodore Amiga forum to Amiga Inc licence (in this terms CUSA Amiga line is dependent on Amiga Inc licence) but as we see Amiga Inc will sell the name unlimitedly (as with ICoin).