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Offline Bishop077

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #285 on: December 30, 2011, 08:15:27 PM »
The sad thing is I did that. I wanted to have a dedicated system to use in order to re-launch my old Cnet BBS....  

Since I am not a MAC fanboy It sits here as a paperweight.  I'll sooner or later do what I said in an earlier post. I'll probably install a Linux Distro, and have it launch UAE and call it good from there....

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Offline takemehomegrandma

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #286 on: December 31, 2011, 09:30:46 AM »
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OK, let put it differently. Hyperion is happy with outcome of last court case, Amiga Inc. less so. AFAIK Hyperion is still allowed to sell OS4 and no licensing money is flowing from Hyperion to Amiga Inc. Don't think that was the outcome Amiga Inc. wanted.


True, this is not what *any* IP owner would have wanted, and this is why I think the deal will be challenged as soon as (if) some new entity takes over Amiga Inc or its IP.
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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #287 on: December 31, 2011, 09:39:38 AM »
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They only own Amiga OS 4.x that's it.


Exactly, or more specifically, they only own the "OS4 additions" to Amiga OS, and that Amiga OS *is still owned* by Amiga Inc, and without it there can be no OS4! So again – Hyperion *did not* win anything, they *don't* own Amiga OS, and they *are not* independent of Amiga Inc.
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Offline Amiga_Nut

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #288 on: December 31, 2011, 12:43:13 PM »
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I want to see a Laptop.....

I honestly don't care if its PPC, X86, Old Amiga hardware, or a hamster with an abacus....

I would love CommodoreUSA, MorphOS, Hyperion, Cloanto, or Natami pick a laptop that is commonly found on the market write drivers for it and let me boot Directly into an Amiga (or Amiga like) OS, and have all the parts work for once.

We've seen the laptop conversion mods, etc... But I'm not that handy with a scroll saw.

Can this all be done by the hobbist.... sure... customize a Linux distro that boots into UAE... Ya got it... All the driver support in the world... Yup, but not my point....

If CUSA wants to do something cool, take the design of an Amiga 500 and make a laptop. That is what I want to see... Even if its just CommodoreOS with UAE.


100% Amithlon compatible PC laptop? There must be one somewhere in the world way back in the distant past of 2000-2011 no?
 

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #289 on: January 21, 2012, 11:51:56 AM »
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Offline rayman

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #290 on: January 28, 2012, 08:16:22 AM »
Hi,
I dont know anything about cusa.  Didnt even know there was such an animal.  A new machine would be nice.  I dont know why it hasnt been done as yet.  There are lots of clever people about why hasnt it been done yet.

I bought qnx awhile back because someone said it was going to be an amiga os that would run native on a meanie(IBM).  Well I never tried it out but am hanging fire on OE c64 c128 and of course everyones favorite the amiga.

I agree that it cant be a pc and in fact it shouldnt be intel at all.  Wrong chip and wrong mongrelization.  Needs to be the fastest motorola chip Job's used in a mac, 68k or ppc.  I also agree that it should use lots of flash memory.  I also think we shouldnt try to shoe horn the kitchen sink into it.  It should be the zippiest and freshest piece of hardware using the old architecture.  I call it distributive hardware like it was in the old days.  Display had its own ram and was mostly separate.  Cpu had its ram and did what it did mostly alone.  But we need to do it better.  A display in  its own separate world.  All it does is display.  No help from the cpu.  I/O should be in dual mode like a fifo on steroids.  Real print and forget.  Real download while doing other things.  Should also be able to stream video on the fly without bufftering.  Download, display and save all at the same time.  Also should be an airtight net machine that cant be hacked because like in the old days all os was in rom and ram was zeroed out  This can be done now with what motorola has on the shelves while we await their next breakthrough.  Lets give them a kick.

Some clever boots can bread board this right now.  Some other clever boots can cobble up the migaware to make it work.

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #291 on: January 28, 2012, 08:21:21 AM »
Already being done by the Natami and FPGArcade guys.

As grassroots as you're going to get, I'm waiting patiently on the FPGAarcade with daughterboard option to run my BBS.
 

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« Reply #292 on: January 28, 2012, 12:43:06 PM »
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Why do you keep bumping CUSA threads? Are they paying you or something?
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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #293 on: January 28, 2012, 01:05:39 PM »
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Why do you keep bumping CUSA threads? Are they paying you or something?


Nope
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Offline weirdami

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #294 on: January 28, 2012, 01:59:08 PM »
I feel like an administrator type could make a thread sticky if it was important enough to bumpify.
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Offline Haranguer

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #295 on: January 28, 2012, 03:41:42 PM »
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Pretty sad that the online Amiga Community can't get a quick 500 people together on a single project to support.


Oh, but we can.  Heard of the FPGA Arcade board?  That'd get 500 easily.

But I can't see CUSA having anything to do with it, and I can't see 500 people wanting to buy it from CUSA if they did.

I'm even more excited about the Arcade board than I am about the X1000, and I'm excited about the X1000.
 

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #296 on: January 28, 2012, 04:07:53 PM »
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Oh, but we can.  Heard of the FPGA Arcade board?  That'd get 500 easily.


...and MikeJ didn't ask anybody to pay for them in advance either.

Amazing, isn't it.  :)
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Offline Tripitaka

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #297 on: January 28, 2012, 04:15:10 PM »
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...and MikeJ didn't ask anybody to pay for them in advance either.

Amazing, isn't it.  :)


Plenty of Amigans have got burnt hands from things like "vouchers", so I agree with Darrin. It's a pretty big thing to ask cash in advance. That requires trust.
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Offline vox

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #298 on: January 28, 2012, 04:22:32 PM »
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And that of course, is the golden question.

Honestly Dammy, the best thing CUSA could do now is sell on the Amiga name to Hyperion and make Commodore PCs to their hearts content. At least that would save them some hate mail.


This is true. If CUSA kept it to the Commodore 64x and Commodore PCs with no Amiga mention, bet people here would be far more supporative or neutral.

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, I have come to believe the Amiga line-up maybe should be split into two parts - a Classic Amiga (to please all retro fans) and a new x86 futuristic-looking Amiga PC either with native AmigaOS functionality built-in to the kernel for the mainstream market


This was early Middle man post. Generally this is true, where Classic oriented projects like AROS 68k, AmiKit, AmigaForever and Natami go for first option and second is AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS just on PPC not on x86.

In these terms, CUSA ideas fall nowhere and try to reinvent the existing wheel, while pretending there are no either 1) or 2) lines existing, and that is what offends people much.

Stick to the truth - sell CommodoreUSA Computer 2011 or similar UltraGiga
and that is not an offense to anyone. State in the history you are new company that has drawn licence to make Commodore (or Amiga Classic) look a likes, with emulation software, that are generaly, same good PCs.
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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #299 on: January 28, 2012, 04:29:08 PM »
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Plenty of Amigans have got burnt hands from things like "vouchers", so I agree with Darrin. It's a pretty big thing to ask cash in advance. That requires trust.


Yep, I still have my Amiga $50 coupon (well, I don't actually have the physical coupon, but I did eventually get the t-shirt), so paying in advance (especially when you have a company noted for posting fake manufacturing photographs) doesn't really appeal to me.

The last couple of "large" Amiga hardware purchases I made were the Chameleon64 and the FPGA Arcade, both of which were paid for when the product was ready to ship.  I've pre-ordered a X1000, but I haven't even had to pay a deposit on that even though it is several grand.  It seems to me that certain people in the Amiga community are resourceful enough to design and manufacture hardware on limited resources without having to put their hands in other people's pockets.  However, we have another company which is supposed to have millions in advertising budgets alone than seems to have to vision, no focus (no manufacturing of its own?) and wants us to raid the piggy-bank before it even heads to the drawing board?  Something just doesn't seem right.

Plus, assuming I stood up and said that I'd collect the down payments for the agreed hardware then how exactly would that work?  Due to fluctuating exchange rates we would need to collect the agreed amount in a single currency (say Dollars) so everyone outside of the US would also need to pay an exchange fee.  Then, what happens if the project is cancelled or people ask for refunds?  Who pays the additional reverse exchange fee to send the money back?  I bet it won't be C-USA.  What if you get 500 orders, but by the time of delivery 100 people drop out.  Do the remaining 400 have to pay the additional amount owed by the 100 who left, or will the person holding the money be responsible?  Considering the timeline for designing and building new hardware (and not just taking a x86 mobo off the shelf or rebadging someone else's PC and putting a C-USA sticker on it) I can easily 10 of the 500 pre-payers dying of old age before they receive anything!
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