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Offline runequester

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #270 on: December 29, 2011, 02:12:19 PM »
Quote from: dammy;673374
You mean a company that deals with Amiga Inc, like Hyperion or Cloanto?


Chance of dammy mentioning hyperion in any given post: 84%.

Chance of dammy having any interest in cusa other than riling up people and starting flamewars: 3%
 

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #271 on: December 29, 2011, 03:02:43 PM »
Quote from: dammy;673374
You mean a company that deals with Amiga Inc, like Hyperion or Cloanto?


Currently Hyperion and Cloanto are completely independent from Amiga Inc, Cloanto as far older company, and Hyperion as older company that won AmigaOS in court case.

Contrary, CUSA is Amiga Inc licencee that either has funded Amiga Inc or will fund it with each CommodoreUSA "Amiga" sold.
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Offline Tripitaka

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #272 on: December 29, 2011, 04:26:50 PM »
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The people constantly trolling with these cusa posts are getting tiresome.


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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #273 on: December 29, 2011, 04:34:44 PM »
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Currently Hyperion and Cloanto are completely independent from Amiga Inc, Cloanto as far older company, and Hyperion as older company that won AmigaOS in court case.


Sorry, you are wrong.  Hyperion did not win anything in a court case, there was a settlement between AI and Hyperion but the judge did not rule for Hyperion.  Hyperion and Cloanto are both dependent on Amiga Inc for several items.
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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #274 on: December 29, 2011, 04:46:06 PM »
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Of course they will now attack me and say it is all CUSA's fault for using this site for their own free advertising site and they are Forced to post in retaliation.  It is all so very silly and childish.


Dave,

I'll pretty much stop unless I hear about more lawsuits and customers being ripped off.

The original Commodore ripped off my college by taking money on a side car and not delivering it the department head who handled it knew Commodore was going out of business and he told me that Commodore wasn't going anywhere business wise and if I wanted a job, you have to learn on an IBM.

My brother in law worked with a guy who bought two Commodore 128's and they both blew smoke in his living room when he plugged them in.

The problem is that even though I grew up on Commodore and I liked them, if you don't have respectable business practices then Amiga will never ever be taken seriously.  There is a difference between having a website to just be in the business or being into R&D and delivering to the customer because you are in the business.  Until they have low prices to compete with Dell, I don't think Amiga will ever be seriously considered.  When you have water cooling for an overclocked Amiga then maybe you have something.

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #275 on: December 29, 2011, 05:22:07 PM »
Quote from: vox;673383
Currently Hyperion ... are completely independent from Amiga Inc, ...  Hyperion as older company that won AmigaOS in court case.


1. Hyperion *has not* won anything in a court case.
2. Hyperion *does not* own Amiga OS.
3. Hyperion *is not* completely independent from Amiga Inc.

Get your facts straight...

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Offline Fats

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #276 on: December 30, 2011, 02:51:08 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;673426
1. Hyperion *has not* won anything in a court case.


OK, let put it differently. Hyperion is happy with outcome of last court case, Amiga Inc. less so. AFAIK Hyperion is still allowed to sell OS4 and no licensing money is flowing from Hyperion to Amiga Inc. Don't think that was the outcome Amiga Inc. wanted.

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #277 on: December 30, 2011, 04:15:13 PM »
Quote from: dammy;673405
Sorry, you are wrong.  Hyperion did not win anything in a court case, there was a settlement between AI and Hyperion but the judge did not rule for Hyperion.  Hyperion and Cloanto are both dependent on Amiga Inc for several items.


The kickstart roms for Cloanto, although since those days it turns out Amiga Inc have no legal claim to the Kickstart IP :)
 

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #278 on: December 30, 2011, 04:16:08 PM »
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;673426
1. Hyperion *has not* won anything in a court case.
2. Hyperion *does not* own Amiga OS.
3. Hyperion *is not* completely independent from Amiga Inc.

Get your facts straight...

:rolleyes:


They only own Amiga OS 4.x that's it. They can never make Amiga OS 5 or later as far as I understood it.
 

Offline Amiga_Nut

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #279 on: December 30, 2011, 04:25:09 PM »
Quote from: amigadave;673353
It is a waste of time for the original poster to write more here, as there are the same few usual suspects that drown every thread that has any mention of CUSA with so much hate and crap that no sane discussion can take place.

I'm not saying that anything useful might happen, but it can't here with all the crap that is added to any thread that mentions CUSA.

I am quite sick of all of it and very tempted to click the "Ignore" button on every CUSA hater on this forum, just to be able to read threads without all of their crap all the time every day.  Their posts outnumber actual CUSA information about 100 to one.

Of course they will now attack me and say it is all CUSA's fault for using this site for their own free advertising site and they are Forced to post in retaliation.  It is all so very silly and childish.


How is that different to real life. Every new model of Mercedes/Audi/BMW is publicly ridiculed by the competitor. It's no different here. When Commodore USA make the equivalent of a BMW M3 we will have no way to ridicule a product which is so good people buy it despite who it is manufactured by.

If the C64x was better/cheaper it could have made a big difference. The rest of their line up is either a PC with a sticker on it with even worse value for money OR a secret project we all have to fund upfront via 500 sales held in escrow.

Their reputation and treatment here is a direct correlation with the childlike CEO rants and raves and their overpriced/underwhelming products and ideas to date.

Posting here to basically to say "sorry we haven't got a clue what to do with the Amiga name because we are not intelligent enough so please give us a product idea on a plate and pay up front" is never going to help them.

If I come up with the winning idea for what is produced I want my 15% of total gross sales for my efforts.....and that's if I wanted to deal with someone like BS Altman to be honest (which I don't).
 

Offline Bishop077

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #280 on: December 30, 2011, 05:10:19 PM »
I want to see a Laptop.....

I honestly don't care if its PPC, X86, Old Amiga hardware, or a hamster with an abacus....

I would love CommodoreUSA, MorphOS, Hyperion, Cloanto, or Natami pick a laptop that is commonly found on the market write drivers for it and let me boot Directly into an Amiga (or Amiga like) OS, and have all the parts work for once.

We've seen the laptop conversion mods, etc... But I'm not that handy with a scroll saw.

Can this all be done by the hobbist.... sure... customize a Linux distro that boots into UAE... Ya got it... All the driver support in the world... Yup, but not my point....

If CUSA wants to do something cool, take the design of an Amiga 500 and make a laptop. That is what I want to see... Even if its just CommodoreOS with UAE.
 

Offline spirantho

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #281 on: December 30, 2011, 05:47:06 PM »
@Bishop077

That's a handy thing to wish given that's exactly what Hyperion are doing!
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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #282 on: December 30, 2011, 06:40:45 PM »
Quote from: spirantho;673646
@Bishop077

That's a handy thing to wish given that's exactly what Hyperion are doing!

Yeah I read an article on them using a LimePC or something a little while ago.... (brb have to re-google it)...

Ah yes, end of 1st Qtr 2012.  I do like this idea and I will buy one if they find a new "Mr. Hardware Computers" that I can get one though... :D They should probably update the vendor section of their website.. I'm sure someone in America sells their products.... I digress...

Thanks for the news.. I still think if CUSA wants a challenge they should make a C64 or Amiga 500 looking laptop. I'd probably by that too just for the case (if it didn't melt...)
 

Offline Akiko

Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #283 on: December 30, 2011, 07:05:36 PM »
Quote from: Amiga_Nut;673621
They only own Amiga OS 4.x that's it. They can never make Amiga OS 5 or later as far as I understood it.

Actually Hyperion have exclusive rights to the AmigaOS name, including all subsequent versions including OS5 and beyond. The agreement with Hyperion, Ainc have effetely signed over AmigaOS for good, they can't ever licence the AmigaOS name to any third party companies like Commodore USA,  and I doubt they receive any royalties from current sales of OS4.
 

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Re: Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community
« Reply #284 on: December 30, 2011, 07:27:25 PM »
@Bishop077
Well, just hop over to eBay, invest 150-400$ in a PowerBook 5.6 to 5.9 and wait "2 more weeks".

You'll end up with a computer thats fully useable Amiga-style and has enough power for everyday use (which simple isn't treu for anything based on a 400MHz 603-core).
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