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Title: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: SysAdmin on April 01, 2011, 07:57:28 PM
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/2214-commodore-usa-a-disney

Commodore USA, LLC & Disney are co:branding the simultaneous release of the all new C64 and the TRON Legacy DVD on April 5, 2011. Our revised and updated website will feature new products, along with the official opening of our webstore, which will go live at 12:01 AM EST, APRIL 5, 2011

http://www.commodoreusa.net
http://www.disney.go.com/tron
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 01, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
Gawd... :(

That's Disney on me hit list now... :flak:

(wonder if all their old miggies that they bought back in the 90's have broken down... they could've bought some nice ones on eBay recently... cheap at twice the price)... :)

Now where'd I leave that Mickey Mouse trap... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Belial6 on April 01, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: Franko;626636
Gawd... :(

That's Disney on me hit list now... :flak:

(wonder if all their old miggies that they bought back in the 90's have broken down... they could've bought some nice ones on eBay recently... cheap at twice the price)... :)

Now where'd I leave that Mickey Mouse trap... :D


Does that mean there will be a DisneyScotland.com website in the works?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 01, 2011, 08:58:53 PM
Franko still has Disney aspirations. He's still waiting for a princess to come along and kiss him so she can turn him from a frog into a prince.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 01, 2011, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: Belial6;626640
Does that mean there will be a DisneyScotland.com website in the works?


Now there's an Idea :idea:

Im getting on to it right away... watch this space... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brianb on April 01, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Quote from: Transition;626621
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/2214-commodore-usa-a-disney

Commodore USA, LLC & Disney are co:branding the simultaneous release of the all new C64 and the TRON Legacy DVD on April 5, 2011. Our revised and updated website will feature new products, along with the official opening of our webstore, which will go live at 12:01 AM EST, APRIL 5, 2011

http://www.commodoreusa.net
http://www.disney.go.com/tron


Nice April Fools Joke!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 01, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: brianb;626652
Nice April Fools Joke!


As I stated in this thread: http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57148 it could have been announced at a better date then today, but this is no April Fool's gag.  When Red and I were at Barry's house for a meeting a couple of months ago, Barry put on speaker phone his conversation with a major Disney rep about advertising schedules for the Tron release. Barry offered the Disney contract for our review as proof.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Belial6 on April 01, 2011, 09:40:45 PM
Unfortunaly, as much as many of us want to get excited about such a thing, you are really not going to get anyone to really believe it today.  Everyone will be couching their comments with "if this is true".  First thing tomorrrow, I for one will believe you.  Today?  It is all speculation.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Belial6 on April 01, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
The intereting thing will be to see how many people still doubt it if the story is the same tomorrow.  Even more interesting will be to see where things go on the 5th.  It would take some pretty big self denial to continue to doubt that CUSA is for real if they get ads in a disney release.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 01, 2011, 09:45:35 PM
Quote from: Belial6;626661
The intereting thing will be to see how many people still doubt it if the story is the same tomorrow.  Even more interesting will be to see where things go on the 5th.  It would take some pretty big self denial to continue to doubt that CUSA is for real if they get ads in a disney release.
Whether it's real or not, it's still a PC in a funny case running Linux :/
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 01, 2011, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: Belial6;626661
The intereting thing will be to see how many people still doubt it if the story is the same tomorrow.  Even more interesting will be to see where things go on the 5th.  It would take some pretty big self denial to continue to doubt that CUSA is for real if they get ads in a disney release.

Well... I knew that something Tron related was coming for a few days beacuse Barry sent me some material that, let's just say, hints in that way :)

then, you also have a message by eliyahu on awn.net saying that he and barry discussed this deal as far as last year in e-mails.  (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33477&forum=17#607927)

On top of that, several mods on C-A.org knew about this for some time also.

Yes, it was posted today, probably deliberately on Barry's part :), but it is true.

I have also been informed and have seen their webstore, including prices on the hardware.

It is happening as outlined in their PR.:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 01, 2011, 10:13:43 PM
walt will be turning in his grave and snow white ditched the darwfs taken up with mr
charlie sheen or is that the dwarfs opps taken up with....
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: JimS on April 01, 2011, 10:20:25 PM
Always thought Commodore was a Mickey Mouse operation.

;-)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: orb85750 on April 01, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;626662
Whether it's real or not, it's still a PC in a funny case running Linux :/


Yes, this is the crucial point about Commodore USA.  They can use the Commodore name, they can use the Amiga name, but it's all a sham.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 01, 2011, 10:22:57 PM
Quote from: Franko;626636
Gawd... :(

That's Disney on me hit list now... :flak:

(wonder if all their old miggies that they bought back in the 90's have broken down... they could've bought some nice ones on eBay recently... cheap at twice the price)... :)

Now where'd I leave that Mickey Mouse trap... :D
id thought sounded bit mickey mouse
barry must be singing " oh mickey you so fine you blow... my mind hay mickey

Maybe mr magoo be guy in charge of dispatch quality control hehe
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 01, 2011, 10:52:18 PM
Although Barry seems to make it sound like it's Disney's idea the fact remains that even if Barry offered to kiss every part of Mickey Mouse's body to get this link it's still a good one.  Nobody will remember that it was a tie in with the movie, it will play in people's heads, Disney endorses Commodore.  It is a well played tactical move.  

Linking Commodore with Disney in anyway makes Commodore look legit.  Face it, Moochie has come a long way from slap C= logo on the site and see who hollers.  There's a reason they signed with a professional marketing company.  Now we begin to see it.

My guess is the next shoe to drop will be a deal with Walmart in the USA.  Remember it's not so much how good your product is as how well you sell it.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: HenryCase on April 01, 2011, 10:59:54 PM
Quote from: JimS;626673
Always thought Commodore was a Mickey Mouse operation.

;-)


Hahaha, you win the internets. : )
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Templario on April 01, 2011, 11:42:39 PM
Micky Mouse dressed with boing ball shorts...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 01, 2011, 11:50:02 PM
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/170122/DisneyC.jpg)


http://disney.go.com/tron/index_flash.html#/partners



I guess this should be enough of a proof for those still thinking it's April 1st? :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 02, 2011, 12:01:45 AM
Ya know... I really am not one to be negative, I usually just let this stuff go, but I really am finding it hard to care about an announcement that doesn't affect me or my interests in any way. Good for C=USA and Disney, but for me it means nothing. Meh...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 12:25:32 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626694
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp12/170122/DisneyC.jpg)

http://disney.go.com/tron/index_flash.html#/partners

I guess this should be enough of a proof for those still thinking it's April 1st? :)


OK, so Sylvania are making the lights for the power button, ESET have promised to help Barry hack websites to steal images, Spin Master are going to help make up more C-USA lies, Crest and Oral B are going to help cover up the smell of BS whenever there is a C-USA announcement of an actual product, MDG Computers are taking the opportunity to look like pros next to the amatures and Cola Zero are the boys from da hood who supply the cocaine being snorted by C-USA employees.  :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: BooBoo1200 on April 02, 2011, 12:31:31 AM
Its the canadian advert right? SPIN MASTER
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 02, 2011, 12:35:40 AM
Quote from: Darrin;626712
Cola Zero are the boys from da hood who supply the cocaine being snorted by C-USA employees.  :D
Nah, Coca-Cola is advising them on how to take a beloved product and ruin it trying to cater to an impossibly broad market. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke) I wonder if they'll cover the subsequent "hasty backtracking and ass-covering" part?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 12:37:23 AM
One more question, and a serious one:

Who the hell are "Spin Master", "MDG" (I had to look them up to make my previous comment and I first thought they were the UN's Millennium Development Goals) and "ESET"?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mongo on April 02, 2011, 12:42:00 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626694


I guess this should be enough of a proof for those still thinking it's April 1st? :)


It's proof that Disney will partner with anyone.

MDG is the worst computer company in Canada.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 12:45:35 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;626715
Nah, Coca-Cola is advising them on how to take a beloved product and ruin it trying to cater to an impossibly broad market. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke) I wonder if they'll cover the subsequent "hasty backtracking and ass-covering" part?


Looking at the menu, am I correct in assuming that you only get to see this ad if you're one of the 0.000001% of people who accidently click on the obscure "Partners" tab because you've mistaken it for something that might hold some "extras" of interest, say nude pictures of Oliva Wilde?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 12:50:21 AM
Quote from: Darrin;626722
Looking at the menu, am I correct in assuming that you only get to see this ad if you're one of the 0.000001% of people who accidently click on the obscure "Partners" tab

Yes, you are correct...

However, if you buy a Tron Legacy disc you will receive, in the box

(http://www.commodore-amiga.org/images/rsgallery/display/Commodore-USA-Advert-1.png.jpg)

this printed add.


This is just the beginning. There are more marketing and technology deals to come :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 12:52:56 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626724
Yes, you are correct...

However, if you buy a Tron Legacy disc you will receive, in the box

(http://www.commodore-amiga.org/images/rsgallery/display/Commodore-USA-Advert-1.png.jpg)

this printed add.


This is just the beginning. There are more marketing and technology deals to come :)


I still don't get the direction of the company, or the reasoning behind the product line, but I hope that someone doesn't lose a small fortune here because there could have been other projects such has bringing the FPGA to market in mass for Xmas that could really generate some cash.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 02, 2011, 12:55:45 AM
Quote from: Darrin;626726
I still don't get the direction of the company, or the reasoning behind the product line, but I hope that someone doesn't lose a small fortune here because there could have been other projects such has bringing the FPGA to market in mass for Xmas that could really generate some cash.
This is my feeling as well. Disregarding my other feelings for CUSA and their product, wasn't there any better use for their much-touted "$30 million advertising budget" than this? Printed inserts in the DVD case of a nerd movie doesn't say "massive awareness builder," it says "huh, that's interesting, into the trash it goes."
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 12:56:25 AM
Quote from: Darrin;626726
I still don't get the direction of the company, or the reasoning behind the product line, but I hope that someone doesn't lose a small fortune here because there could have been other projects such has bringing the FPGA to market in mass for Xmas that could really generate some cash.

FPGA? Maybe one day, but for now it will remain a hobbyist market when it comes to C= and Amiga related products.
As to loosing a small fortune, if you wanna make it, you got to take risks.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 02, 2011, 01:05:17 AM
They've just updated that site... :D

(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Funny/DisneyC.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Claw22000 on April 02, 2011, 01:51:11 AM
Does any one every try to help people with Amiga needs anymore?  Theres people on and not one person looked at the new posting asking for help :(
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 02, 2011, 01:53:02 AM
Quote from: Claw22000;626748
Does any one every try to help people with Amiga needs anymore?  Theres people on and not one person looked at the new posting asking for help :(

I did... :D and so do plenty of others... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: B00tDisk on April 02, 2011, 01:55:21 AM
I probably won't buy this new C64 but I think this is awesome.  Go C= USA!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: B00tDisk on April 02, 2011, 02:02:54 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;626662
Whether it's real or not, it's still a PC in a funny case running Linux :/


And the original C64 was a 6502-based PC in a funny case running Microsoft BASIC - your point?

:D :D :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 02, 2011, 02:06:49 AM
I'm softening, I don't buy pre-assembled PCs at home, and at work we buy Dell and Apple exclusively, so I probably will never even see one of their products, but bringing in Disney, even on one movie endorsement,  puts a seal of approval on C=USA that they can milk for all it's worth.  Whatever it cost them, it was worth it.  After a year of stupidity, it's good to see moochie regained his senses.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Retro_71 on April 02, 2011, 02:16:28 AM
Big deal they bought advertising space. Its like the marketing manager at my work. He has convince the boss to spend big and to sponsor several football teams (league) but you know what its just a waste of money no one will look or care. If i ever bought Tron DVD I would throw out any ad in them in the trash (without even looking) be honest how many times if you bought something and they have crossed marketed something else do you just throw it out without even looking at it.
I am with darrin if they had all this money would have been better to make something we can use and not just another PC.


P.S. I am more of an Anime Guy then Disney
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 02:25:26 AM
Quote from: Retro_71;626761
I am with darrin if they had all this money would have been better to make something we can use and not just another PC.

Well, I can use this... from emulation, to everyday work and BluRay movies. :)

There are other companies and people selling stuff for C= and Amiga hobbysts. I don't think they(C=USA) could have done anything significant on the "classic" market. It's pretty saturated as it is.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 02, 2011, 02:31:24 AM
Quote from: Transition;626621
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/2-welcome-mat/2214-commodore-usa-a-disney

Commodore USA, LLC & Disney are co:branding the simultaneous release of the all new C64 and the TRON Legacy DVD on April 5, 2011. Our revised and updated website will feature new products, along with the official opening of our webstore, which will go live at 12:01 AM EST, APRIL 5, 2011

http://www.commodoreusa.net
http://www.disney.go.com/tron


Hi,

Wow a Mickey Mouse for a Mickey Mouse systems, what more support can you ask for.

When you wish upon a star, your windows machine will crash with a lot of stars.

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 02, 2011, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;626754
And the original C64 was a 6502-based PC in a funny case running Microsoft BASIC - your point?
Perhaps I should have clarified as "IBM PC clone?" Nah, you'd probably have said the same. My point is that the Commodore 64 was and is its own thing; a 6502 plus a particular combination of custom hardware, custom and standard software, and defined expansion interfaces that comprise the Commodore 64 (and, as a superset, the 128,) and not any other computer. This is a completely different and fundamentally incompatible computer running a completely different operating system, that gets reasonably good software compatibility only with the inclusion of an emulator that (unless I'm greatly surprised and it's not VICE) is absolutely no different from the emulator that can be freely installed on any other PC under any major operating system

Even this is limited at best. You can't hook any of your expansion hardware into it (and before you smarm about emulating it, there's a broad range of CBM expansions that are not yet supported in emulators.) You can't run C64 disks on it, or even use it to make disk images for use with the emulator without at least as much difficult as you'd have on any other PC. (I'm sure someone will be all too happy to sell you new disk-image copies of your existing software, though.) And there's even C64 software that doesn't require hardware expansions that won't run on emulators at present. Putting aside the discussion of whether the C64x's marketing is misleading, it's fundamentally dishonest to even call it that. It's not a C64, whatever it looks like, and it's no more compatible with one than any other x86-based PC. No amount of licensure or cross-promotion deals will change that.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Retro_71 on April 02, 2011, 02:53:47 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626763
Well, I can use this... from emulation, to everyday work and BluRay movies. :)

There are other companies and people selling stuff for C= and Amiga hobbysts. I don't think they(C=USA) could have done anything significant on the "classic" market. It's pretty saturated as it is.


I have my normal PC for emulation (i like your cases (the C64 one) though).
how many people would buy new Video cards/Accelerators/Sound Cards etc etc and not to mention new FPGA Hardware, yes there is FPGA Arcade and Natami which i will buy but i would buy other FPGA hardware as well. It is not that saturated.
But i wish you luck anyway (i would prob buy the second C64 case the one styled from the C64C just the case mind you. :D)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 02, 2011, 04:56:29 AM
Quote from: Darrin;626716
One more question, and a serious one:

Who the hell are "Spin Master", "MDG" (I had to look them up to make my previous comment and I first thought they were the UN's Millennium Development Goals) and "ESET"?

My thoughts exactly. On the flipside though, the ad makes them look like a serious legitimate company.
Plus, considering when the first movies was released, there may be nostalgic movie buyers who pick up Tron Legacy and go "Commodore? I thought they went away long ago".
This could draw some attention to Barry's enterprise.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: haywirepc on April 02, 2011, 05:32:54 AM
Good for them. Lets hope they actually start shipping all these promised products.

steven
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 02, 2011, 05:41:07 AM
Quote from: haywirepc;626812
Good for them. Lets hope they actually start shipping all these promised products.

steven

That's the least negative CUSA related post you've made yet, haywire.
And once they start doing that?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Duce on April 02, 2011, 05:44:17 AM
MDG are a dodgy fly by night "pay as you go" Canadian company that offers "ONE DOLLAR A DAY for only 9000 days PC'S!"  Scum of the earth and even the Canuck television networks won't sell them ad time anymore up here.  ESET is a fantastic company, however.  I'd recommend NOD 32/Smart Security to anyone looking for a lightweight security package for Windows.  Coke, Crest and the big name brands would endorse abortion clinics if it sold products.  I won't comment on the C-USA crap much anymore, last time I did I got veiled threats and too much pedantic bullshit, so save it.  At least a few of those suckers that buy that hideous Tron 2 movie on DVD will look twice at the little pieces of paper that fall out of the DVD case.  I'll man up and at least give C-USA credit that they did start their ad campaign, even though I don't think even .1% of the guys that read said flyers in DVD cases will have a clue or an interest in a C64 clone. But good on C-USA for taking the plunge.  Just cause it's not right for me doesn't mean it doesn't interest someone else.  Best of luck.  The movie was abhorrent (TRON Legacy), maybe the box set will do well. Best of luck with the rest of the ad campaign, I hope the product hits the hands of the people that are after it, I'm just never gonna get the concept, lol.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: amigadave on April 02, 2011, 05:49:42 AM
Quote from: EDanaII;626700
Ya know... I really am not one to be negative, I usually just let this stuff go, but I really am finding it hard to care about an announcement that doesn't affect me or my interests in any way. Good for C=USA and Disney, but for me it means nothing. Meh...

I am not interested in any of C=USA's proposed products, unless they happen to produce a nice looking Amiga branded case that I would consider putting an FPGAArcade Replay board into, which I highly doubt.  But, I have nothing against C=USA either and do not care if they succeed or fail, but the only hope I have from their endeavors is that it generates more interest in the Amiga community and brings more people (and hopefully developers) to using and buying the other Amiga related products that I DO have an interest in, like MorphOS, or AROS and Classic AmigaOS3.x.

So, C=USA, spend all the money you want in promoting the name Amiga.  I have no ill will toward your company and hope that only good things will come from your efforts.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: cicero790 on April 02, 2011, 10:35:36 AM
+1

That is what all ppl that likes Amiga one way or another should consider.
But I’m less indifferent, I hope they succeed.

PS OT  I need an indivision AGA for my 1200.  Then is the next batch coming? DS. OT
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 02, 2011, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: B00tDisk;626754
And the original C64 was a 6502-based PC in a funny case running Microsoft BASIC - your point?

:D :D :D


BASIC is not the OS (try booting a C64 with just the BASIC ROM) just a usefull application,

C64 BASIC is not supplied by Microsoft ( C= hacked the PET one as they forced them to sell it as is with unconditional rights on any future machines)

it ran on a 6510 CPU made by MOS

:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 02, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
Quote from: persia;626681
Although Barry seems to make it sound like it's Disney's idea the fact remains that even if Barry offered to kiss every part of Mickey Mouse's body to get this link it's still a good one.  Nobody will remember that it was a tie in with the movie, it will play in people's heads, Disney endorses Commodore.  It is a well played tactical move.  

Linking Commodore with Disney in anyway makes Commodore look legit.  Face it, Moochie has come a long way from slap C= logo on the site and see who hollers.  There's a reason they signed with a professional marketing company.  Now we begin to see it.

My guess is the next shoe to drop will be a deal with Walmart in the USA.  Remember it's not so much how good your product is as how well you sell it.


And why would a child fan (Disney's market demographic) today want a C64 lookalike PC? They want Wii/360/PS3. Of course the dads buy the DVDs etc but they do it to shut the brats up so they may see the flyer in the case if they look through all the bumf :roflmao:

Walmart however = people on a tight budget = good % of customers in serious debt..........
Serious debt = hankering for youth/childhood without debt worries = nostalgia = sales of something familiar looking with their old C64 in 80s :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 02, 2011, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: Digiman;626847
And why would a child fan (Disney's market demographic) today want a C64 lookalike PC? They want Wii/360/PS3. Of course the dads buy the DVDs etc but they do it to shut the brats up so they may see the flyer in the case if they look through all the bumf :roflmao:

Walmart however = people on a tight budget = good % of customers in serious debt..........
Serious debt = hankering for youth/childhood without debt worries = nostalgia = sales of something familiar looking with their old C64 in 80s :)


It's not WalMart.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 02, 2011, 01:59:56 PM
This post SHOULD NOT be in "Amiga News and Community Announcements"
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 02, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: persia;626865
This post SHOULD NOT be in "Amiga News and Community Announcements"


That was Transition's doing.  The original thread I started was in Alt OS section.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 02, 2011, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: dammy;626864
It's not WalMart.


Was commenting to other member IF Walmart....etc
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 02, 2011, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: persia;626865
This post SHOULD NOT be in "Amiga News and Community Announcements"
But...but...they're the Amiga community's brand-new sugar-daddy! Why shouldn't we treat them as the Deliverers of the Truth and Light from On High?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 02, 2011, 03:44:33 PM
Because C64 is not Amiga and therefore other OS section seems right to me.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 02, 2011, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: amigadave;626818
I am not interested in any of C=USA's proposed products, unless they happen to produce a nice looking Amiga branded case that I would consider putting an FPGAArcade Replay board into, which I highly doubt.  But, I have nothing against C=USA either and do not care if they succeed or fail, but the only hope I have from their endeavors is that it generates more interest in the Amiga community and brings more people (and hopefully developers) to using and buying the other Amiga related products that I DO have an interest in, like MorphOS, or AROS and Classic AmigaOS3.x.


I agree with you, Dave, but they want to do more than create an Amiga branded case. They want to create Windows/Linux based computers and call them Amiga. This is only going to hurt them. The Amiga brand comes with two primary expectations: cutting-edge graphics and a smartly-designed OS.

The age of cutting-edge graphics is over, so they'll never meet that expectation. The smartly designed OS? That's not Windows and it's not Linux, so they'll never meet that.

Sadly, the majority of people who care about the Amiga brand are the ones who remember those things, so all C=USA are going to do is generate disappointment. Not a good strategy for any startup. Not at all.

So, if I'm arguing that this choice will hurt them, do I bear them any ill will? Hardly. :) I think it's in their best interest to leave the name alone until they can create something that does bare the Amiga legacy.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: spihunter on April 02, 2011, 03:59:55 PM
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Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 02, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: spihunter;626892
This post should not be on Amiga.org. I wish there was a way to Ignore news items from certain party's.....


Don't read anything that is obvious something you don't want to know about?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 02, 2011, 04:04:43 PM
Quote from: Digiman;626885
Because C64 is not Amiga and therefore other OS section seems right to me.
But they've put so much money into this! Shouldn't that be enough to buy our loyalty? What do you want, a product actually related to the C64 or Amiga or something?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: spihunter on April 02, 2011, 04:07:27 PM
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Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 02, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Quote from: spihunter;626896
So I'm supposed to put my finger over the screen everytime one of these CUSA news items shows up on the main page?. I'm sick of you and this place...Deleting account a leaving for good....


Well don't forget to sell your TV, the C=USA/Disney adds will be hitting shortly on the major networks.  Don't want you to gag on your dinner or anything.  :banana:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: dammy;626898
Well don't forget to sell your TV, the C=USA/Disney adds will be hitting shortly on the major networks.  Don't want you to gag on your dinner or anything.  :banana:


I think you mean the Disney ads (with a small C= logo in the corner that you'll miss if you blink), surely?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 02, 2011, 04:35:12 PM
Quote from: dammy;626898
Well don't forget to sell your TV, the C=USA/Disney adds will be hitting shortly on the major networks.  Don't want you to gag on your dinner or anything.  :banana:



Will you be watching on your brand new Amiga IContain TV?

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: warpdesign on April 02, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
The question is: what are they advertising ?

Last time I checked there were no C64 product, just words about "Workbench 5".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: warpdesign;626915
The question is: what are they advertising ?

Last time I checked there were no C64 product, just words about "Workbench 5".

C64x is in production ...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 02, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626918
C64x is in production ...

With an apparent launch date as early as next week.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: Iggy;626923
With an apparent launch date as early as next week.

Yes...
Though, if you do order, you're likely to wait for a few weeks as they have sold almost the entire first production run to large retailers.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626926
Yes...
Though, if you do order, you're likely to wait for a few weeks as they have sold almost the entire first production run to large retailers.


Do you mean big companies or fat local business owners?  ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 02, 2011, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: Darrin;626928
Do you mean big companies or fat local business owners?  ;)

Don't know exactly, but I know that at least one of those has a global business reach :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: B00tDisk on April 02, 2011, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Digiman;626846
BASIC is not the OS (try booting a C64 with just the BASIC ROM) just a usefull application,


It's the closest thing the C64 had to a native operating system, mate.

Quote

C64 BASIC is not supplied by Microsoft ( C= hacked the PET one as they forced them to sell it as is with unconditional rights on any future machines)


Right, that's why it said "Microsoft BASIC": because C= was in the business of selling pirated software.  Regardless, was it written by MS?  Yes.  So I'm right - thanks for acknowledging that.

Quote

it ran on a 6510 CPU made by MOS

:)


...a hacked 6502 - what I said still stands.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 06:47:24 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626929
Don't know exactly, but I know that at least one of those has a global business reach :)


MikeJ?  I thought he was busy making FPGA Arcades!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 02, 2011, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: Darrin;626900
I think you mean the Disney ads (with a small C= logo in the corner that you'll miss if you blink), surely?


No, C=USA network TV ads with Disney's Tron Legacy included.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
Quote from: dammy;626932
No, C=USA network TV ads with Disney's Tron Legacy included.


OK, you mean the little home made ads that you can put on local TV channels for a couple of grand and C= are just sticking the Tron stuff in the corner.  Nothing seriously involving Disney other than they took some cash for it.  Correct?

I need to explain for European readers that the US Networks (ABC, NBC, FOX, etc) are syndicated between each and every city where they get show show adverts locally produced in certain segments between programmes.  These are not "million dollar ad", but the local second hand car dealer, the local coffee shop, the local bar, etc putting on a cheap ad for a couple of grand and are only viewed in those particular cities that they pay for (which is why they are so cheap).
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 02, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626929
Don't know exactly, but I know that at least one of those has a global business reach :)


Actually, I bet it is AmigaKit and you've convinced them to make the product available on their (International) Websites!  :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 02, 2011, 08:58:28 PM
Quote from: B00tDisk;626930
It's the closest thing the C64 had to a native operating system, mate.



Right, that's why it said "Microsoft BASIC": because C= was in the business of selling pirated software.  Regardless, was it written by MS?  Yes.  So I'm right - thanks for acknowledging that.



...a hacked 6502 - what I said still stands.


1. OS is not BASIC, the fact you can run things after trashing the entire ROM area is proof. Oh look I have no BASIC but I can still run any type of program. Could it be that BASIC is just an application that does nothing more than Amiga BASIC. Ouch.

2. It says Commodore BASIC V2 but anyway it is perfectly legal because if you had googled this aspect of Commodore history you would know Jack told Gates how it is and take it or leave it. No royalties, a single low payment and the ability/right to modify it in any way they see fit to shoehorn it into other machines hence PET BASIC on VIC and C64....right up to C64C. 128/16/+4  post JT Commodore managers went to Microsoft and asked for new improved versions out of choice not legal requirement.

(http://www.c64-wiki.com/images/c/c9/Einschaltmeldung_C64.jpg)

3. There is a slight difference and it's made by a different designer and fabrication, be more accurate in future or get help for your dyslexia. Just so you know the 4 revisions of the 6502 are not the same as the 6800 either or is that also a hacked 6800 now? ;)

You are wrong that is all you have proved today  :roflmao:

*ignored to prevent further unnecessary keyboard caps wear and tear*
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: XDelusion on April 02, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
If this were true, it would be utterly hilarious!

I mean think of it, they could kill two great franchises all at the same time!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: F1Lupo on April 02, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;626918
C64x is in production ...

I'm surprised that they now are at least making something...so it's a generic PC running Linux ....at least they are taking a risk on a new venture.

Honestly, once they stopped calling the Linux skin Workbench 5 then my disdain for CUSA disappeared.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 02, 2011, 11:26:52 PM
Quote from: Digiman;626965

There is a slight difference and it's made by a different designer and fabrication, be more accurate in future or get help for your dyslexia. Just so you know the 4 revisions of the 6502 are not the same as the 6800 either or is that also a hacked 6800 now? ;)

All 6502 processors (and their derivatives) were made by MOS. A company Commodore eventually bought.
Just because their are multiple revisions and slightly different models, doesn't mean they were design by or fabricated by different companies.
The difference between a 6502 and a 6510 is very minor.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 02, 2011, 11:31:04 PM
Quote from: persia;626681
Although Barry seems to make it sound like it's Disney's idea the fact remains that even if Barry offered to kiss every part of Mickey Mouse's body to get this link it's still a good one.  Nobody will remember that it was a tie in with the movie, it will play in people's heads, Disney endorses Commodore.  It is a well played tactical move.  

Linking Commodore with Disney in anyway makes Commodore look legit.  Face it, Moochie has come a long way from slap C= logo on the site and see who hollers.  There's a reason they signed with a professional marketing company.  Now we begin to see it.

My guess is the next shoe to drop will be a deal with Walmart in the USA.  Remember it's not so much how good your product is as how well you sell it.
am liking what am seeing l thought was april fools joke least guy got sence humour
those tablet devices look awsome where did that come from
gee at this rate l may be a buyer well done
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 02, 2011, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: Iggy;626806
My thoughts exactly. On the flipside though, the ad makes them look like a serious legitimate company.
Plus, considering when the first movies was released, there may be nostalgic movie buyers who pick up Tron Legacy and go "Commodore? I thought they went away long ago".
This could draw some attention to Barry's enterprise.
iI agree 100 % this brillent marketing move tron after all is remake or reboot
here in New Zealand govt but money into the peter jackson hobbits movies
and going be dvd on New zealand as add on to attract tourists
they said this kind exposure is pure gold with market theses dvds get
got take my hat of to the dude hes smart man
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 02, 2011, 11:53:32 PM
This is just marketing - and honestly a pretty decent marketing move assuming enough people actually read those inserts.  Still have to ship product at some point - otherwise it really doesn't matter how much you spend on print.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 02, 2011, 11:57:47 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;627024
This is just marketing - and honestly a pretty decent marketing move assuming enough people actually read those inserts.  Still have to ship product at some point - otherwise it really doesn't matter how much you spend on print.

The C64x is being launched April 5th, same day as the DVD.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 03, 2011, 12:04:33 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627026
The C64x is being launched April 5th, same day as the DVD.

Launched where?  Online?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Trev on April 03, 2011, 12:05:38 AM
I like Tron (new and old), and I'll probably buy one of the new breadboxes. The case is neat, and it doesn't really matter what it's running. Commodore and Amiga are just names, after all. I'd like the breadbox even more if I could buy it sans innards.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 03, 2011, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;627028
Launched where?  Online?

Yes.

Possibly even on shelves of some retail stores. AFAIK, they are already being produced and they probably shipped some of them. This part is just my conjecture, so I could be wrong, but they are in production.

Quote
I like Tron (new and old), and I'll probably buy one of the new  breadboxes. The case is neat, and it doesn't really matter what it's  running. I'd like it even more if you could jut buy empty cases.       

Yes... I've seen parts of the webstore, C64x barebones is available to order on launch.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mongo on April 03, 2011, 12:08:28 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627026
The C64x is being launched April 5th, same day as the DVD.


They hadn't started production 5 days ago, but it's going to be for sale in 3 days?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Trev on April 03, 2011, 12:14:15 AM
@WolfToTheMoon

That's reason enough to buy one. Lots of stuff would be schnazzy in a C64 box.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 03, 2011, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: Trev;627034
That's reason enough to buy one. Lots of stuff would be schnazzy in a C64 box.

I agree, I have always liked the shape.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 03, 2011, 12:18:35 AM
Quote from: Trev;627034
@WolfToTheMoon

That's reason enough to buy one. Lots of stuff would be schnazzy in a C64 box.

Does the box impart the schnazzy, or is it like MSG, so the object being placed inside contains some schnazz and the box just enhances it...

I like boxes.  Especially cool ones like this:

(http://www.movingboxnewyork.com/images/fileboxes.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 03, 2011, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: mongo;627033
They hadn't started production 5 days ago, but it's going to be for sale in 3 days?


They're only making 5 of them and each one comes with a "company position".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Trev on April 03, 2011, 12:29:13 AM
My cats like those. Eye-level peepholes for snooping. The only downside to the new C64 chassis is the function key layout. Why didn't they just leave the original function keys intact? I never use the special purpose keys on keyboards that have them. (Correction. I used the calculator and sleep (power down) buttons on my old Microsoft Natural Ergo Pro keyboards. The new Natural Ergo 4000 keyboards are okay but not as good as the original. I wish Microsoft still made them.)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 03, 2011, 12:34:18 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;627037
Does the box impart the schnazzy, or is it like MSG, so the object being placed inside contains some schnazz and the box just enhances it...
Neither - it's the Magical Commodore Brand that imbues it with holy powers of awesomeness. CUSA spent much money in acquiring the Holy Brand, therefore we are now obligated to love and cherish them.

At least, that's how it seems to work around here :|
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 03, 2011, 12:36:49 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627043
Neither - it's the Magical Commodore Brand that imbues it with holy powers of awesomeness. CUSA spent much money in acquiring the Holy Brand, therefore we are now obligated to love and cherish them.

At least, that's how it seems to work around here :|

We are the C=USA. Lower your shields and surrender your Amigas. We will  add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your  culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

 :lol:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 03, 2011, 01:20:08 AM
Stop and think about it for a minute. Mike's Replay board will fit in one of those barebones cases. I'm not sure the Natami will. And I can't think of a PPC design that would.
But there lot's of other PC boards. Several that are more powerful than the Intel Atom/Nvidia combo used by C=USA.
I'm surprised they're even offering this option. However since they are, those of you that like the case, but don't care for the contents will have some interesting options.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 03, 2011, 01:22:36 AM
Quote from: Iggy;627057
Stop and think about it for a minute. Mike's Replay board will fit in one of those barebones cases. I'm not sure the Natami will. And I can't think of a PPC design that would.
But there lot's of other PC boards. Several that are more powerful than the Intel Atom/Nvidia combo used by C=USA.
I'm surprised they're even offering this option, but those of you that like the case, but don't care for the contents will have some interesting options.

Natami is sub mini-ITX, so it will fit, dimensions wise. :)
But, there will be a A500x case that would probably be more appropriate for NATAMI, by the end of this year it should be out. It will also be sold as barebones.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 03, 2011, 02:48:16 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627059
Natami is sub mini-ITX, so it will fit, dimensions wise. :)
But, there will be a A500x case that would probably be more appropriate for NATAMI, by the end of this year it should be out. It will also be sold as barebones.

meh - nothing against the old A500, but I was always a bigger fan of the original breadbox designs for the in-keyboard (or the A600/1200 style).  A500 looked just like a C128 to me.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 03, 2011, 02:48:16 AM
Quote
Originally Posted by spihunter  
So I'm supposed to put my finger over the screen everytime one of these CUSA news items shows up on the main page?. I'm sick of you and this place...Deleting account a leaving for good....


I suspect there are some who are hoping for just this type of news. Sadly it's +1 for them.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 03, 2011, 02:49:48 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627044
We are the C=USA. Lower your shields and surrender your Amigas. We will  add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your  culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

 :lol:


Now that's the best and most honest line I've heard in a long time. :)

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 03, 2011, 03:07:52 AM
Quote from: Plaz;627093
I suspect there are some who are hoping for just this type of news. Sadly it's +1 for them.

Plaz

I don't know if I agree that its something to mourn over. Whether you're interested in C=USA's product line or not, this will renew attention given to the legacy hardware.
Let Barry Altmans sell huge numbers of new "Amiga" and "Commodore" computers and some nostalgic individuals are going to be drawn to our markets as well.
For years we've seen decreasing numbers. I suspect this may be about to reverse.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 03, 2011, 05:25:18 AM
Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is gray and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion

Pinprick holes in a colourless sky
Let insipid figures of light pass by
The mighty light of ten thousand suns
Challenges infinity and is soon gone
Night time, to some a brief interlude
To others the fear of solitude

Brave Helios, wake up your steeds
Bring the warmth the countryside needs
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: gertsy on April 03, 2011, 06:20:07 AM
Worse case scenario for Kesa, now CUSA will be onto him to remove his Avatar. Ohh pooh!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 03, 2011, 06:54:06 AM
Quote from: Iggy;627103
I don't know if I agree that its something to mourn over.


Truly I don't mourn over this stuff. And as one with a few remaining firing brain cells, the realities of the market and hobby community are clear.

What I don't agree with is the growing perception of the "like it or leave it attitude". Struggle as I might I just don't find clear words to describe it. Partly I guess because Amiga and it's community means different things to different people so it's hard to sort.

In one example I might put it like this... "Hey your favorite pet of 20 year is gone, sorry about that. But no worries, here's a new different pet. But we named it the same so you're all patched up now. Time to put a smile on and move along." I feel such an attitude disrespectful to some folks who have been our friends along time. Of course some don't and probably prefer more sentimental types leave. That is the "them +1" I refer to.

And and fear I've probably not made my point any clearer.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 07:07:41 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627041
They're only making 5 of them and each one comes with a "company position".


:roflmao:

Glad I don't need to work or have the urge to buy a box (must be a disorder or compulsion that, Boxyitris or summit...) :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Haranguer on April 03, 2011, 07:52:36 AM
What was the date on that post again?  Lemme see ....

April 1st, was it? lol
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 03, 2011, 12:03:11 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;627092
meh - nothing against the old A500, but I was always a bigger fan of the original breadbox designs for the in-keyboard (or the A600/1200 style).  A500 looked just like a C128 to me.

Me too...

The A500x will not be an exact replica of the A500, as far as I understand. Expect something in between A500 and A1200. Probably something mora similar to the Amiga Fantasy case than A500.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 03, 2011, 02:48:15 PM
So Wolf to the Moon is no longer pretending to be an interested bystander?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 03, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: Plaz;627150
In one example I might put it like this... "Hey your favorite pet of 20 year is gone, sorry about that. But no worries, here's a new different pet. But we named it the same so you're all patched up now. Time to put a smile on and move along." I feel such an attitude disrespectful to some folks who have been our friends along time. Of course some don't and probably prefer more sentimental types leave. That is the "them +1" I refer to.
Pretty much this, but that is exactly why I do mourn this kind of thing - these people come along touting their wares as if they're actually a replacement for the Amiga, and then half the people here get so doe-eyed at the sight of shiny baubles! that they will smile and nod and go along with absolutely anything their new sugar-daddy wants, just because they're so obsessed with the idea that it's totally a real product again, now nobody can make fun of me for using an old computer.

So they stand around applauding like idiots, the stubborn old cranks reinforce their commitment to never trusting anything or anyone ever again, and people like me who would actually like to see a new Amiga product but aren't willing to pretend that commodity Intel hardware in a nice case is totally the same thing as a classic home computer are left with nowhere to turn.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 03, 2011, 03:32:17 PM
Well said, CommodoreJohn, well said. :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 03, 2011, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627243
Pretty much this, but that is exactly why I do mourn this kind of thing - these people come along touting their wares as if they're actually a replacement for the Amiga, and then half the people here get so doe-eyed at the sight of shiny baubles! that they will smile and nod and go along with absolutely anything their new sugar-daddy wants, just because they're so obsessed with the idea that it's totally a real product again, now nobody can make fun of me for using an old computer.

So they stand around applauding like idiots, the stubborn old cranks reinforce their commitment to never trusting anything or anyone ever again, and people like me who would actually like to see a new Amiga product but aren't willing to pretend that commodity Intel hardware in a nice case is totally the same thing as a classic home computer are left with nowhere to turn.

So it should be banned and not discussed? Everyone should stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALALALA as loud as they can? Only "teh true Amiga" should be discussed? The problem with that is "teh true Amiga" is a moving target.

The Kommunity went through the same thing with PUP/WUP, Amithlon, AROS, MorphOS, OS4, emulation etc etc. Every time something new came about there was a portion of the Kommunity who wanted it censored at best or the people involved hanged at worst.

What is happening right now with CUSA news is nothing new. There is a portion of the Kommunity who wants to castigate anyone who dares acknowledge CUSA's existence or speculate on upcoming projects.

This isn't a religion.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 03, 2011, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627257
So it should be banned and not discussed?


Sure discuss it, not a problem for me. Could we have a little more separation between  church and state though? I agree that the new Commodore isn't going away and some are going to have to adjust to the fact. But I grow weary of the constant invasion of classic topics by the new order. A bit of mod adjsutments might do wonders.

Quote
This isn't a religion.


Then why are you bashing it like one?

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 04:31:49 PM
Quote from: Plaz;627150
In one example I might put it like this... "Hey your favorite pet of 20 year is gone, sorry about that. But no worries, here's a new different pet. But we named it the same so you're all patched up now. Time to put a smile on and move along." I feel such an attitude disrespectful to some folks who have been our friends along time. Of course some don't and probably prefer more sentimental types leave. That is the "them +1" I refer to.

And and fear I've probably not made my point any clearer.

Plaz


Question is, what are you going to do, have old Fido stuffed so he can sit in his corner for the rest of eternity? Oh, and no new dog(s), they would just remind you of Fido.  

Back in the day, I remember a lot of screaming going on when C= brought out the A4000 and the Toaster guys were SOL.  I also remember complaining about the new WB not working for anything below 020 (I had a 000 at 28MHz).  I was clearly not happy when the Teron mobo rebadged as AmigaOne came out, I felt slighted that a dodgy rebadged mobo came out that was going to destroy the Amiga name.  History repeats itself, now it's a new generation of Amigas.  We have an adjustment coming up and depending on what COS turns out to be, might be easier to accept or more difficult, time will tell.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 03, 2011, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: dammy;627263
We have an adjustment coming up and depending on what COS turns out to be, might be easier to accept or more difficult, time will tell.


Well, if it is what it was hinted to be, I already run linux and am happy enough with the distro I'm using ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 03, 2011, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627257
So it should be banned and not discussed? Everyone should stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALALALALALALA as loud as they can? Only "teh true Amiga" should be discussed?
I never said that, nor meant to imply it. I don't (in theory) have a problem with threads about C-USA or their fancy PC clones. What I do have a problem with is people who act as though C-USA is now the official One True Way, and anybody who still wants something that is actually in any way based on or inspired by the historical Amiga is a backwards hermit whose sad devotion to that ancient religion needs to be hammered down until they get in line and buy the Numiga. They can piss off; they're no more the True Arbiters of What Amiga Means than I am.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 05:07:09 PM
Quote from: Karlos;627264
Well, if it is what it was hinted to be, I already run linux and am happy enough with the distro I'm using ;)


To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 03, 2011, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: dammy;627280
To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.


And there in lays the rub... given their current business model, what they are going to give us is a Linux (or Android) box with the Amiga label on it. Nothing "Amiga-like" is ever going to happen unless they switch to a more profitable model, and the more profitable model is, sadly, something that is non Amiga-like. Catch 22.

Better just to leave the name alone...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 03, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: dammy;627280
To tell you the truth, I personally do not know what OS is going to be the base for COS.  You can make a stab at it, but I'd hold off betting the family farm on it.


It is a rather sad business that doesn't allow their PR Reps to know what they're trying to push.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mel_zoom on April 03, 2011, 06:20:49 PM
Ive not bothered with any of this for a while but I think I might as well stand up and be counted.

It seems fitting that this new commodore is associated with disney as they share a common interest in marketing fairytales :roll:

I may be too young to claim I was a first generation commodore user but having inherited them from an older brother I remember them fondly and still have a working amiga that I still use sometimes. This new commodore seems to have no such sense of nostalgia and interested only in making a quick dollar selling devices you can already buy elsewhere for less. Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;627289
And there in lays the rub... given their current business model, what they are going to give us is a Linux (or Android) box with the Amiga label on it. Nothing "Amiga-like" is ever going to happen unless they switch to a more profitable model, and the more profitable model is, sadly, something that is non Amiga-like. Catch 22.

Better just to leave the name alone...


Again, I wouldn't be too fast in saying it's Linux.  Might be, might not be.  I don't know.  What is going to be on the C64x is going to be Linux, that is a given.  What is in store for the Commodore Amiga series, OTOH, is unknown right now.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
Quote from: Darrin;627295
It is a rather sad business that doesn't allow their PR Reps to know what they're trying to push.


I'm not an employee of C=USA nor am I an investor.  So I get what is given to me and I am nice enough to communicate it.  You don't like my post, ignore them.  C64x launch is Tuesday and units will ship in a couple of weeks.  You don't like the C64x, don't buy it, it's just that simple.  I personally have no plans in buying a C64x.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 06:53:26 PM
Quote from: mel_zoom;627312
Ive not bothered with any of this for a while but I think I might as well stand up and be counted.

It seems fitting that this new commodore is associated with disney as they share a common interest in marketing fairytales :roll:

I may be too young to claim I was a first generation commodore user but having inherited them from an older brother I remember them fondly and still have a working amiga that I still use sometimes. This new commodore seems to have no such sense of nostalgia and interested only in making a quick dollar selling devices you can already buy elsewhere for less. Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.


That's pretty harsh considering C=USA hasn't talked much about the Commodore Amiga series.  Why not wait until you hear the facts before you condemn them?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: B00tDisk on April 03, 2011, 06:56:21 PM
Quote from: Darrin;627041
They're only making 5 of them and each one comes with a "company position".


Did you mistake this for an "X1000" thread? :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 06:59:05 PM
Quote from: dammy;627322
That's pretty harsh considering C=USA hasn't talked much about the Commodore Amiga series.  Why not wait until you hear the facts before you condemn them?


Well why don't you stop spouting your opinions on how spiffy this new fake Amiga is going to be and what crap emulator it's going to run as well until we hear the facts from a reliable source (which is not likely) as CUSA has given us more BS than a sewage plant... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 07:07:46 PM
Quote from: Franko;627324
Well why don't you stop spouting your opinions on how spiffy this new fake Amiga is going to be and what crap emulator it's going to run as well until we hear the facts from a reliable source (which is not likely) as CUSA has given us more BS than a sewage plant... ;)


Or you could just stop reading my posts.  Or would that be too hard for you to do?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: ChaosLord on April 03, 2011, 07:12:37 PM
That's pretty harsh considering C=USA hasn't talked much about the Commodore Amiga series.  Why not wait until you hear the facts before you promote them with free advertising?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: dammy;627325
Or you could just stop reading my posts.  Or would that be too hard for you to do?


Yup... it's one of my new hobbies... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Borut on April 03, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: dammy;627325
Or you could just stop reading my posts.  Or would that be too hard for you to do?


Or you just don´t post them?
Some could think that the CUSA forums are better suited for X86 freaks ;-)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: swoslover on April 03, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
What I am struggling to understand is why there is no mention of this in the news section of the CUSA webpage.

Personally I think CUSA has been good for the community has certainly raised some interesting debates if nothing else..

Also there is no such thing as bad publicity and in the Amiga community which has been stagnant for years now this offers some (possibly false) hope of some kind of return to the mainstream.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: swoslover;627351
What I am struggling to understand is why there is no mention of this in the news section of the CUSA webpage.

Personally I think CUSA has been good for the community has certainly raised some interesting debates if nothing else..

Also there is no such thing as bad publicity and in the Amiga community which has been stagnant for years now this offers some (possibly false) hope of some kind of return to the mainstream.


How the frig can CUSA be good for the Amiga community when in recent days the shit constantly posted about them here has caused a number of long time A.org members to leave (KThunder, ColdFish, SpiHunter and from what I gather Boudicca)... :madashell:

I don't know how you can think that is good after the bullshit comments from the likes of Leo that we'd better like it or lump it and general antagonising remarks he, Dammy and Wolfie have made about the genuine Amiga Community... :madashell:

There has been no debates just free advertising by a certain Fanboy and pathetic remarks by CUSAs only paid employee... :madashell:

Plus all the distraction it causes here on the site by taking away the spotlight from folks questions, comments and posts about real Amiga subjects... :(

If you think that is good for the community then you need your head examined mate... :(
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 03, 2011, 08:37:14 PM
Quote from: mel_zoom;627312
...Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.


Quote from: dammy;627322
That's pretty harsh considering C=USA hasn't talked much about the Commodore Amiga series.  Why not wait until you hear the facts before you condemn them?


Maybe she means you: http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/188813

Of course, being moobunny, that could be anybody...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
Quote from: Karlos;627367
Maybe she means you: http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbthread.pl/amiga/expand/188813

Of course, being moobunny, that could be anybody...

There some bugger on that creepy site pretending to be me and there's at least a dozen ruddy threads on it now mostly instigated by Dammy and kept going by him... :furious:

Sad thing is the imposter is totally naff and Dammy thinks it is me, Barry sure knows how to pick a good quality mouthpiece, eh... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: AmigaNG on April 03, 2011, 08:48:32 PM
wrong thread..oops
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 03, 2011, 09:00:28 PM
Quote from: dammy;627319
Again, I wouldn't be too fast in saying it's Linux.  Might be, might not be.  I don't know.  What is going to be on the C64x is going to be Linux, that is a given.  What is in store for the Commodore Amiga series, OTOH, is unknown right now.


A business model based on nostalgia that might sell 10k units of the C64x, if it's lucky, is not enough to kickstart new OS development. Nor can such a model guarantee a sufficiently large enough ROI to justify investment in new OS development. They are left with two options if it is not to be Windows: Linux or Android. Android, I'm assuming will incur licensing fees if they use it and since I doubt there business model is lucrative enough for that... Linux it is.

Now, I could be wrong on all that, but it is perfectly sound reasoning.  Otherwise, your just asking an agnostic to "have faith." Sorry, but I prefer facts, not hope and dreams. :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: swoslover on April 03, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: Franko;627360
How the frig can CUSA be good for the Amiga community when in recent days the shit constantly posted about them here has caused a number of long time A.org members to leave (KThunder, ColdFish, SpiHunter and from what I gather Boudicca)... :madashell:

I don't know how you can think that is good after the bullshit comments from the likes of Leo that we'd better like it or lump it and general antagonising remarks he, Dammy and Wolfie have made about the genuine Amiga Community... :madashell:

There has been no debates just free advertising by a certain Fanboy and pathetic remarks by CUSAs only paid employee... :madashell:

Plus all the distraction it causes here on the site by taking away the spotlight from folks questions, comments and posts about real Amiga subjects... :(

If you think that is good for the community then you need your head examined mate... :(


Relax man.

If people want to be so childish as to leave because others are discussing something they don't like then I think that sums them up.

I stand by my comments, and if people get so wound up by others on an internet forum perhaps they should get some perspective on life.

I like CUSA and make no bones about it.  I don't think they have always made the best choices but at least they are trying to make something happen.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 03, 2011, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: Plaz;627261
Sure discuss it, not a problem for me. Could we have a little more separation between  church and state though? I agree that the new Commodore isn't going away and some are going to have to adjust to the fact. But I grow weary of the constant invasion of classic topics by the new order. A bit of mod adjsutments might do wonders.

Plaz

Good thing you're not a moderator then.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 09:18:13 PM
@ swoslover

I was only grumpy cos on Thurday a woman nearly pocked me ruddy eye out on Princess Street with her brolly and it wasn't even raining, so as you're from Auld Reekie I thought I'd have wee moan at you... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 03, 2011, 09:21:16 PM
Quote from: EDanaII;627375
A business model based on nostalgia that might sell 10k units of the C64x, if it's lucky, is not enough to kickstart new OS development.


well, based on what I know, they have already sold more then that.

Quote
Nor can such a model guarantee a sufficiently large enough ROI to justify investment in new OS development.


Strange since Hyperion seems to be managing that with a lot smaller resources. OK, maybe I haven't shown the best example in favor of that strategy :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 09:22:09 PM
Ach... anyway... bollox to all this CUSA crap, may as well follow their example and place a shameless plug for me new world exclusive covertly filmed video here (it's got fake Commodore logo's bought from ebay so that should make it ligit...) :D

[youtube]dU94T6KZnSg[/youtube]
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: motrucker on April 03, 2011, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: Franko;626636
Gawd... :(

That's Disney on me hit list now... :flak:

(wonder if all their old miggies that they bought back in the 90's have broken down... they could've bought some nice ones on eBay recently... cheap at twice the price)... :)

Now where'd I leave that Mickey Mouse trap... :D

Poor old Walt must be spinning in his grave. These days Disney stands for bad movies, bad TV, and bad noise (they have the gall to call it "music"). The only thing Disney has done worth while in many moons was their Animation Kit software package for the Amiga.
I guess "Commodore" is getting a good sized influx of cash for this deal...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 03, 2011, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: motrucker;627387
The only thing Disney has done worth while in many moons was their Animation Kit software package for the Amiga.
Well, there was The Emperor's New Groove...that movie was so much better than the entire rest of their post-1994 output it's not even funny, except that it is, in fact, funny as hell.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 03, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
franko

Get a real life.. why dont you do something productive with your time? No wonder you cant find a girl. YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE FOR THAT
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 03, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
FFS guys, a bit less personal, if you please.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: A1260 on April 03, 2011, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: Franko;627383
Ach... anyway... bollox to all this CUSA crap, may as well follow their example and place a shameless plug for me new world exclusive covertly filmed video here (it's got fake Commodore logo's bought from ebay so that should make it ligit...) :D

[youtube]dU94T6KZnSg[/youtube]


:lol:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: kedawa on April 03, 2011, 10:55:42 PM
I'm actually somewhat interested in the C64x shell, but only if the price is right.

To be honest, aside from releasing all Amiga IP into the public domain, nothing any company does is going to help the community.

The only worthwhile efforts in the Amiga world right now are grassroots projects like AROS and FPGA clone hardware.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 03, 2011, 11:01:32 PM
Karlos

Sorry man just so tired of these ppl slagging off Cusa, THEY HAVE DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA OR COMMODORE COMPANY SINCE 1994!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: kedawa on April 03, 2011, 11:17:42 PM
They've done stuff with the brand name and made a neat case, but none of it has advanced the state of the platform one iota.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 03, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: kedawa;627417
To be honest, aside from releasing all Amiga IP into the public domain, nothing any company does is going to help the community.

The only worthwhile efforts in the Amiga world right now are grassroots projects like AROS and FPGA clone hardware.
This.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 03, 2011, 11:33:46 PM
Quote from: kedawa;627420
They've done stuff with the brand name and made a neat case, but none of it has advanced the state of the platform one iota.


They haven't even officially launched the C64x yet, that's Tuesday.  Hardware won't be on the shelves for a couple more weeks after the official launch.  Wait till we see the app store for the C64x, then start talking of what they have and have not done for the C64 software.  It will be interesting to see what new C64 software becomes available in the coming months from bedroom coders.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 03, 2011, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: magnetic;627418
Karlos
 
Sorry man just so tired of these ppl slagging off Cusa, THEY HAVE DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA OR COMMODORE COMPANY SINCE 1994!
Releasing no hardware and no software to date means they've done as much as everybody else has.
 
Heck, I've done as much for the amiga, as they have, at this point (that would be nothing, btw)
 
 
When they ship product, then we'll talk again. Their people say that is soon, so we'll all know what's going on.
 
Quote from: kedawa;627420
They've done stuff with the brand name and made a neat case, but none of it has advanced the state of the platform one iota.

At this point, I don't know if the platform can be advanced in any meaningful way. I also don't know if it should.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 03, 2011, 11:41:53 PM
Well it's a few minutes till WrestleMania 27 kicks of, got meself a nice big Vindaloo, tons of sweet, crisps and juice all ready for a marathon 4 hour stint of boo's & cheers, goodies and baddies, fakes, frauds & fixes one half of the crown supporting the blue corner the other the red, pacts being made and broken, backstabbing, infighting, fun & laughter, good bits, boring bits and general downright nonsense where despite being glued to it for the four hours we already know the outcome cos it's all a fix... :)

Hmm... kinda reminds me of something else I look at for hours... wonder what that could be... ;)

(Peace on you for the next 4 hours... :D)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 03, 2011, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: dammy;627424
They haven't even officially launched the C64x yet, that's Tuesday.  Hardware won't be on the shelves for a couple more weeks after the official launch.  Wait till we see the app store for the C64x, then start talking of what they have and have not done for the C64 software.  It will be interesting to see what new C64 software becomes available in the coming months from bedroom coders.


Did Fake Commodore write VICE? No!

So don't give me such bullshit, I have been involved in real C64 software for a decade and you fancy Linux PC makes no difference to people like me OR ANYONE ELSE. VICE emulator or others have been around for 15 years now.

And stop inferring your pissant company is going to write a new Amiga compatible OS a la AROS for your x86 'Amiga' machines too please.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: amigadave on April 04, 2011, 12:04:19 AM
I am no fan of Commodore USA, but the constant bashing and whining about them on this site is 10 times more disruptive than the few announcements they have made, or other posters have made in favor of their proposals.

I would bet that the behavior of the people doing the constant whining and bashing is responsible for members leaving, not the people posting news items about C=USA.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: kedawa on April 04, 2011, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: dammy;627424
They haven't even officially launched the C64x yet, that's Tuesday.  Hardware won't be on the shelves for a couple more weeks after the official launch.  Wait till we see the app store for the C64x, then start talking of what they have and have not done for the C64 software.  It will be interesting to see what new C64 software becomes available in the coming months from bedroom coders.

I'm skeptical, but I'm not about to condemn them without giving them a chance.  I'll be pleasantly surprised if the C64x boosts C64 software development.
Quote from: runequester;627426
At this point, I don't know if the platform can be advanced in any meaningful way. I also don't know if it should.

There have been some pretty amazing hobby projects for the C64 in the past few years, but I can see where you're coming from.  It's hard to improve on something that has nostalgia as it's main appeal.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: Digiman;627431
Did Fake Commodore write VICE? No!

So don't give me such bullshit, I have been involved in real C64 software for a decade and you fancy Linux PC makes no difference to people like me OR ANYONE ELSE. VICE emulator or others have been around for 15 years now.

And stop inferring your pissant company is going to write a new Amiga compatible OS a la AROS for your x86 'Amiga' machines too please.


Then it will fail and life goes on if you are right.   What's the reason for you getting upset?  Are you personally going to lose something out of all this?  Tell us why you are so upset that someone is spending millions promoting the C64's software again?  Seriously, what is it to you?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 04, 2011, 12:18:57 AM
amigadave

You are right.. Sooo many people have left the site because of this idiot fanboys.. they need to get a life.

Commodore uSA has DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA COMPANY SINCE 93 TO GET THE BRAND OUT THERE.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 12:29:47 AM
Quote from: magnetic;627439
Commodore uSA has DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA COMPANY SINCE 93 TO GET THE BRAND OUT THERE.
And that's totally what matters. The nature or quality of the product? That's piffle. It's brand awareness that we value above all else.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 12:37:59 AM
Quote from: kedawa;627436
There have been some pretty amazing hobby projects for the C64 in the past few years, but I can see where you're coming from. It's hard to improve on something that has nostalgia as it's main appeal.

Its that, and I question whether there's a commercial venture even possible.
 
Stuff like the ACA boards Jens did? Obviously popular and sold well.
 
But thats a project done with a keen awareness of the hobby market. I don't know if we extend beyond that. Morph OS is probably the most advanced option right now, and they are sitting at what? 1000 registrations?
 
You can be successfull with amiga, but you gotta aim it at something realistic
Title: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 01:02:38 AM
Quote from: magnetic;627401
franko

Get a real life.. why dont you do something productive with your time? No wonder you cant find a girl. YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE HOUSE FOR THAT


In the name of God, please will you give it a rest?

You don't like Franko, we get it. We got it the first time and we got it the thousandth time.

Put him on your block list and never mention him in public again.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 01:10:20 AM
Quote from: Digiman;627431
Did Fake Commodore write VICE? No!

So don't give me such bullshit, I have been involved in real C64 software for a decade and you fancy Linux PC makes no difference to people like me OR ANYONE ELSE. VICE emulator or others have been around for 15 years now.

And stop inferring your pissant company is going to write a new Amiga compatible OS a la AROS for your x86 'Amiga' machines too please.

You know Dammy and I predicted this sort of over the top venom and rage months ago. If you are getting this angry now, you really might want to turn off the monitor and go on vacation for a couple weeks because you will have a complete and total meltdown soon.

You would think someone from CUSA kicked your pregnant wife in the stomach or tried to burn down your church. Really people THIS IS A COMPUTER, NOT A RELIGION. Nothing can change what Jay Miner and the original Amiga team accomplished. The amiga-like variants of MorphOS, AROS, OS4 etc will continue to exist. If you have no use for the product and don't get it, you don't buy it. I don't get this end of the world reaction at all.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 01:34:09 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627466
You know Dammy and I predicted this sort of over the top venom and rage months ago. If you are getting this angry now, you really might want to turn off the monitor and go on vacation for a couple weeks because you will have a complete and total meltdown soon.

You would think someone from CUSA kicked your pregnant wife in the stomach or tried to burn down your church. Really people THIS IS A COMPUTER, NOT A RELIGION. Nothing can change what Jay Miner and the original Amiga team accomplished. The amiga-like variants of MorphOS, AROS, OS4 etc will continue to exist. If you have no use for the product and don't get it, you don't buy it. I don't get this end of the world reaction at all.


If you predicted the "rage" months ago then why did you continue with the plan to bastardize the Amiga name with this non-Amiga product?

Nobody would be upset if it was a range of "Commodore" branding products covering PCs, Android Tablets, Emulator packages, etc.  It is hi-jacking of the Amiga name which is still alive and kicking and plastering it on non-Amiga products for apparently no other reason than sticking it to Hyperion.  Was this part of the agreement with Amiga Inc?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Argo on April 04, 2011, 01:36:48 AM
Oddly, the world didn't end when Commodore introduced the Colt. Think of it like that.

http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/cpcs.html
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 01:42:17 AM
Quote from: Argo;627470
Oddly, the world didn't end when Commodore introduced the Colt. Think of it like that.

http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/cpcs.html


Probably because they didn't put an "Amiga" sticker on it.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627469
for apparently no other reason than sticking it to Hyperion.


Karma is a bee-atch, maybe this is the lowlife vermin Benjamin Hermans reaping what he has sown......
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 01:44:24 AM
Quote from: nicholas;627475
Karma is a bee-atch, maybe this is the lowlife vermin Benjamin Hermans reaping what he has sown......


I can't see why we have to suffer though.  ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 01:47:00 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627466
You know Dammy and I predicted this sort of over the top venom and rage months ago. If you are getting this angry now, you really might want to turn off the monitor and go on vacation for a couple weeks because you will have a complete and total meltdown soon.

You would think someone from CUSA kicked your pregnant wife in the stomach or tried to burn down your church. Really people THIS IS A COMPUTER, NOT A RELIGION. Nothing can change what Jay Miner and the original Amiga team accomplished. The amiga-like variants of MorphOS, AROS, OS4 etc will continue to exist. If you have no use for the product and don't get it, you don't buy it. I don't get this end of the world reaction at all.

Thanks Red,
I particularly liked "You would think someone from CUSA kicked your pregnant wife...".
The venom is a bit much considering how many people have already suggested that if the Amiga were still around it would probably be X86 based.
But then, much of this community holds beliefs that might as well be religious zealotry.
As a MorphOS user I' frequently assaulted with "Well that not an Amiga".
Nobody is stepping on anyone's toes here.
Imagine the furor that would have been generated by a company daring to try to take one of our community's OS' commercial.

"Oh their just not DOING it right! "That's not an AMIGA".
Good God!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 01:49:03 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627469
If you predicted the "rage" months ago then why did you continue with the plan to bastardize the Amiga name with this non-Amiga product?

Nobody would be upset if it was a range of "Commodore" branding products covering PCs, Android Tablets, Emulator packages, etc.  It is hi-jacking of the Amiga name which is still alive and kicking and plastering it on non-Amiga products for apparently no other reason than sticking it to Hyperion.  Was this part of the agreement with Amiga Inc?


So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 01:51:00 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627476
I can't see why we have to suffer though.  ;)


Sign up to the group in my sig to alleviate some of the pain. ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 01:52:26 AM
Quote from: dammy;627479
So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?

Curious, isn't it? Since nothing prevents Hyperion from developing an X86 version of AOS4 and offering it to C=USA and other X86 users (other then Ben Herman's desire to sell hardware).
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 01:53:39 AM
Quote from: dammy;627479
So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?


No, it is about using the "Amiga" name to describe actual "Amiga" products and not a linux PC running UAE or some tablet with a checkered wallpaper.  If it is this difficult for you to understand then this will end up being a very short and very expensive business venture.

You've pissed off actual Amiga users so they're not going to buy.  You're also going to piss off old Amiga users who end up thinking "what does this shit have to do with my old miggy?".  Way to go.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 02:09:01 AM
Quote from: magnetic;627418
Karlos

Sorry man just so tired of these ppl slagging off Cusa, THEY HAVE DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA OR COMMODORE COMPANY SINCE 1994!


Thanks, magnetic
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 02:11:00 AM
:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 02:13:11 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627484
No, it is about using the "Amiga" name to describe actual "Amiga" products and not a linux PC running UAE or some tablet with a checkered wallpaper.  If it is this difficult for you to understand then this will end up being a very short and very expensive business venture.

You've pissed off actual Amiga users so they're not going to buy.  You're also going to piss off old Amiga users who end up thinking "what does this shit have to do with my old miggy?".  Way to go.


:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 02:17:51 AM
Quote from: Digiman;627431
Did Fake Commodore write VICE? No!

So don't give me such bullshit, I have been involved in real C64 software for a decade and you fancy Linux PC makes no difference to people like me OR ANYONE ELSE. VICE emulator or others have been around for 15 years now.

And stop inferring your pissant company is going to write a new Amiga compatible OS a la AROS for your x86 'Amiga' machines too please.


here are few of the "ANYONE ELSE'S":
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: digitex;627493
here are few of the "ANYONE ELSE'S":
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx

 
Lets talk when actual people have reviewed actual product that actually shipped.
 
Until then, its just static.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 02:25:10 AM
Ooh look Mummy, another sock puppet!

Can we keep it? Can we? Can we?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
Quote from: nicholas;627497
Ooh look Mummy, another sock puppet!
 
Can we keep it? Can we? Can we?

You have to take it for walks, and feed it and clean up its poopies
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 02:34:15 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627469
If you predicted the "rage" months ago then why did you continue with the plan to bastardize the Amiga name with this non-Amiga product?

Darrin,
I do not work for CUSA and AFAIK Dammy does not either. I live within 5 miles of CUSA and Dammy about 50 iirc. Location has given us the opportunity to meet with Barry and get a little information on plans. Times never change. When I bought a Pegasos I back in 2003 I was labeled a Genesi employee and a Bill Buck lap dog. This time I haven't even purchased anything, just passed on a tiny bit of information and I am being labeled the same way and by some people who should know better.

Quote
Nobody would be upset if it was a range of "Commodore" branding products  covering PCs, Android Tablets, Emulator packages, etc.  It is  hi-jacking of the Amiga name which is still alive and kicking and  plastering it on non-Amiga products for apparently no other reason than  sticking it to Hyperion.  Was this part of the agreement with Amiga Inc?

Why is Commodore brand any different than the Amiga brand? Hyperion went to court and got what seems like a very favorable settlement. Hyperion could have done the exact same thing as CUSA but they did not. Business is business and AFAIK Hyperion is irrelevant to CUSA's plans. Irrelevant is a far cry from sticking it to Hyperion.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 02:35:43 AM
I'd totally have bought a Pegasos at the time, if I knew about it :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 02:36:22 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627484
No, it is about using the "Amiga" name to describe actual "Amiga" products and not a linux PC running UAE or some tablet with a checkered wallpaper.  If it is this difficult for you to understand then this will end up being a very short and very expensive business venture.

You've pissed off actual Amiga users so they're not going to buy.  You're also going to piss off old Amiga users who end up thinking "what does this shit have to do with my old miggy?".  Way to go.


In case you missed it earlier Darrin, I'm not an employee nor am I an investor of C=USA.  In fact I can remember feeling the rage you have right now when they deluded the worthy Amiga name by some rebadged h0rked up PPC mobo with the name AmigaOne which sold initially running only Linux.   You had the same rage back then, right?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 02:37:59 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627474
   Quote:
                                                      Originally Posted by Argo                (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=627470#post627470)             
             Oddly, the world didn't end when Commodore introduced the Colt. Think of it like that.

http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/cpcs.html

                         
 Probably because they didn't put an "Amiga" sticker on it.       

Your history is a little weak Darrin. You seem to forget the Bridgeboard pre-installed in many big box Amigas. You also seem to forget the A3000UX which came with only Unix at some dealers.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 02:43:22 AM
Quote from: nicholas;627497
Ooh look Mummy, another sock puppet!

Can we keep it? Can we? Can we?

We have been very tolerant of opinions, but comments like this really are personal attacks.

Everyone, you can be as negative as you wish but PLEASE refrain from personal attacks.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 02:47:14 AM
To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...

(http://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/alg_resize_tron_olivia-wilde.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 02:50:57 AM
I'd like to throw in my experience as well.
I initially sent a fairly harsh e-mail to Barry Altman, before the C=USA website was up.
And if I remember right, Redrumloa was also initially skeptical, posting an image of Barry's Florida home (since that's what listed in the corporate filings).
But you know he responded to my e-mail with an invitation to call and talk with him and an offer to answer any questions I had.
And after doing so, I don't feel fair treating him like an asshole.
He is an experienced businessman (and a former C64 user) with a plan to start a fairly well thought out business venture.
And except for slipping a little on the timeline (which all organizations do) he's done exactly what he described to me in our initial contact.

I'm beginning to think that he may be right about some of you, that a lot of this hostility stems from jealousy.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 02:53:08 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627507
To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...

(http://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/alg_resize_tron_olivia-wilde.jpg)

Hmm, suddenly I think I might like to see this movie.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 03:06:58 AM
Quote from: Iggy;627508
And if I remember right, Redrumloa was also initially skeptical, posting an image of Barry's Florida home  

I was pretty harsh about his early missteps. Harsh is probably putting it kindly as I really drew the ire of Barry and made him perform another misstep:lol: I never did post a picture of his home though. I joked about doing it but I never did it. For the record Barry has a very nice house.

Barry is a real business man, assembling a real team and is laying down real money. Will he ultimately succeed or fail? I can't say. I will agree that many assessments are off base and seem almost religious in nature.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 03:12:15 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627513

Barry is a real business man, assembling a real team and is laying down real money. Will he ultimately succeed or fail? I can't say. I will agree that many assessments are off base and seem almost religious in nature.

I'd like to quote one of my favorite TV characters

(http://blokesbogblog.blogatize.net/files/2011/01/delboy595.jpg)



"He who dares, wins!" :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 03:17:01 AM
Quote from: dammy;627479
So this whole rage thing is about protecting Hyperion?
Speaking only for myself: I do not give a tinker's damn about Hyperion. I will not be arsed to defend them against anybody's claims or vitriol, and none of my dislike of CUSA comes out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I will note, however, that they are at least selling something based on something related to the Amiga. CUSA has not done that, and despite certain people's speculations, I find it unlikely that they are going to (and I maintain my solemn vow to buy a hat and eat it should I be proved wrong.) If their "Amiga" line is anything like their "C64" line, it is at best a misnomer and at worst actively misleading, and no amount of money paid to any vulture that grabbed a copyright at an estate sale is going to change that.

Nevertheless, I withhold the majority of my venom from them, as they do appear (despite initial appearances and one extremely bad PR person) to be shipping an actual product that, while misleadingly named, will in fact match up with the specifications they published. Instead, I choose to disdain the CUSA zealots who rave at every turn about how majestic this company is for producing a PC clone in a fancy case and getting it into stores, and how financial success makes them the One True Future of Amiga, as if this were some 18th-century marriage of convenience where financial prospects are infinitely more important than actually giving a damn about your partner.

CUSA has shown zero interest in serving the Amiga community anything but a prefab case with a boing-ball sticker on it and some "totally going to be specified in the near future, like, seriously, any day now" hardware inside, a neat trick which allows their zealots to claim that "you totally can't claim it's going to be another PC clone, because you don't know that for absolutely certain yet!" They've provided only vague hints about maybe possibly developing an OS or something, we dunno, we'll see what we feel like, continually hinting that actual meaningful information is just around the corner, for real!

A company that did this to any other community would be justly labeled a cock-tease and hounded out, but around here people are so desperate and willing to believe in and proselytize anything as long as it means they might finally be able to buy something with an "Amiga" label on it, because somehow commercial availability is the one meaningful definition of success, trumping every single other factor. You could sell used tampons to this community if you licensed the Amiga name for them.

But it doesn't matter, because CUSA is going to release their gussied-up PC clone and the zealots will be all over it, and the dipshit tech-journalism industry will be gushing about "the return of Commodore," and nobody will ever stop to wonder when product names stopped signifying things and started signifying clans. Congratulations, you bought an Apple; you're now a discriminating elitist ready to follow Steve Jobs into the future. Congratulations, you bought a C64x; you're part of the Altman Army, ready to storm the industry and bring down the establishment - BY BECOMING IT. How stupid are the people in this community?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 04, 2011, 03:29:55 AM
Barry appears to be a worthy successor to Jack Tramiel.   Reality doesn't matter, what drive the market is what's in the mind of consumers, Barry is playing to that.  Why would you buy Barry's Chinese stuff over someone else's Chinese stuff.  1) Because it looks different 2) Because it has a story.  A bit quirky, a bit out of the norm.  People like that.  

Is Barry's story real or an illusion?  No one will ever know.  Furniture salesman, satellite TV installer.  Again that could have be Jack.  Like it or not C=USA is a lot like CBM...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 03:32:57 AM
Quote from: persia;627525
Barry appears to be a worthy successor to Jack Tramiel. Reality doesn't matter, what drive the market is what's in the mind of consumers, Barry is playing to that. Why would you buy Barry's Chinese stuff over someone else's Chinese stuff. 1) Because it looks different 2) Because it has a story. A bit quirky, a bit out of the norm. People like that.
 
Is Barry's story real or an illusion? No one will ever know. Furniture salesman, satellite TV installer. Again that could have be Jack. Like it or not C=USA is a lot like CBM...

Lets see what happens when actual product get shipped.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 04, 2011, 03:57:29 AM
Hi,

@Everyone,

Well now we talk of Hyperion, so lets talk, I am sitting here with a PPC 603e, Blizzard board in my Amiga 1200, I have been looking for a legit copy of OS 4.0 for it, tried all three active Amiga stores (amigakit, software hut, & versilla if there are more please tell me), none of them have OS 4.0, wrote to Hyperion about buying no answer, WHERE THE FRAP IS SUPPORT FOR MY A1200. I don't want to buy a mini miga, sam flex 440 because once again where is the support?  I see no mags, no commercial software no software companies giving any support at all, just a bunch of amatuers playing around. I have 3 illegal copies of OS 4.0 that don't work from 3 seperate people. Once again where is the support? I have tried icaros on several different computers, no workee, once again where is the support, I have looked at morphos, talk about babble on, didn't see anything on their site that supports a ppc A1200, a lot of MAC support though, and you all know how I feel about MACs, I would rather use a VIC 20 for the rest of my life than use a MAC, worse yet a Z80 computer running CPM than a MAC.

Now CUSA is doing something you don't like, well it is really quite simple, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY IT. To all you Amiga religious fanatic loonies, Jay Miner once said that if he knew that the Intel chips where going to turn into something like the 386 he would have used that processor in the Amiga when he was designing it, but at that time the 68000 and the 8088, or 8086 where the ones on the table so he used the most powerful processor at that time the 68000.

Oh Franko, I know I left out the 6502, Z80, etc. we are talking about newer processors at that time, not hobby chips.

Make it simple people, Buy what you like, don't buy what you don't like, money talks BS walks, That sounded good lets say it again,

MONEY TALKS, BULLSHIT WALKS.

I really hate using that word on a public board, but it might make you understand, I am for the Company that is going to offer me SUPPORT. Not a year novelty, not something that is here today gone tomorrow.

OS4.0 -- gone
AROS -- never here
MorphOS -- never here
minimig -- is it really here? are commercial users buying it, ( 3 amiga stores)
SAM 440e -- right now the greatest hope but is it real, will it catch on.

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 04:04:02 AM
Well Smerf,

MorphOS for PPC equipped Amigas is available (require RTG though) and I have a link for it, but it seems down right now.

http://powerup.morphos-team.net/
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 04, 2011, 04:18:25 AM
Hi,

@Commodorejohn,

You know I wish I could live in the past like some of you. The fact of the matter is even my arch rival Apple saw the light and moved over to the X86 type CPU's they saw that the 68000 series and even the PPC chips where going obsolete.

The only difference is -- they had the money and the talent to rewrite their OS for the new Apples, they had their own money and people that could do a restart and make it work.

What does Amiga have, a bunch of darn whiners that whine about everything, they aren't putting any money up, they aren't risking their bankroll but they are complaining about a second chance.

I am not, because I have seen the light, it came about 5 years ago, when Far Cry came out, I said wow, now if they could only put this game on the Amiga.

Well guess what they can't -- comparing the graphics and sound of Far Cry would be like trying to run a game for the Amiga on the Vic 20. It just isn't possible. That's right CJ we are talking games here, you know the things that made Amiga tick. You want to talk Amiga's Cliche -- video processing, guess what it doesn't lead the field anymore, MAC has taken over, and PC is right on its heals. Don't even try to talk business programs or multi tasking, the PC will wipe the Amiga slick today.

So

What would you do if you had the money and the power to start a computer company?

What new innovations would you bring out?

What would your computer do that stood out from all the rest?

Jay had it easy when he built the Amiga.

Hey Mr. Haynee, if you read these boards, maybe you could give us some insight.

How about you Mr. Sachs?

I hear everyone yelling foul, but I see no base hits.

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 04:30:23 AM
Quote from: dammy;627502
In case you missed it earlier Darrin, I'm not an employee nor am I an investor of C=USA.  In fact I can remember feeling the rage you have right now when they deluded the worthy Amiga name by some rebadged h0rked up PPC mobo with the name AmigaOne which sold initially running only Linux.   You had the same rage back then, right?


Whether you are being paid by Barry stroking your ego, stroking your wallet or just shipping you a "free product", you're employed by him to run his propaganda machine as shown by your position on his website.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 04:35:30 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627503
Your history is a little weak Darrin. You seem to forget the Bridgeboard pre-installed in many big box Amigas. You also seem to forget the A3000UX which came with only Unix at some dealers.


Jim, that is the worst strawman argument I have ever witnessed, and I hang out in Sci-Fi forums!  ;)

For starters, the Bridgeboard was pre-installed in a minority of computers to target the small number of business customers who also wanted to run MSDOS software without cluttering up their desktop with 2 machines.  It was still an "Amiga", but it just happened to have some hardware to allow it to run MSDOS applications.  It was never a PC.

Again the A3000UX was a specialist machine targeted at a specific audience and was not the "Standard Amiga".

Commodore also shipped A2000s to schools complete with BBC-B emulators loaded, but they certainly didn't add an ACORN sticker to the front of the box or market them as "Arcon Amiga BBC Model B2000".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 04:38:22 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627500
Why is Commodore brand any different than the Amiga brand? Hyperion went to court and got what seems like a very favorable settlement. Hyperion could have done the exact same thing as CUSA but they did not. Business is business and AFAIK Hyperion is irrelevant to CUSA's plans. Irrelevant is a far cry from sticking it to Hyperion.


You have it in reverse.  Commodore was always the manufacturer and they made Commodore products no matter what processor or OS they used.  Amiga was the range of computer that natively ran a particular OS.  That OS was never Linux or Windows.

So, once again, these Commodore tablets are about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.  End of story.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 04:39:17 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627507
To ease the tensions(and still be ontopic)...


Great, now what the hell do I do with this painful swelling?  :mad:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 04:47:46 AM
Quote from: smerf;627543
Hi,
 
@Commodorejohn,
 
You know I wish I could live in the past like some of you.

Maybe Im coming at this from a different angle, but what is there to amiga, other than living in the past? Its a retro hobby. Even the most advanced of the next gen options are aiming at nostalgia pretty squarely and catching up a few years of technology.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 04:59:24 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627549
You have it in reverse.  Commodore was always the manufacturer and they made Commodore products no matter what processor or OS they used.  Amiga was the range of computer that natively ran a particular OS.  That OS was never Linux or Windows.

So, once again, these Commodore tablets are about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.  End of story.


...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 05:02:43 AM
Lets play spot the troll...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 05:05:13 AM
btw, great video Franko, but the funny thing is, it was actually shot in YOUR kitchen.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:10:51 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627549

So, once again, these Commodore tablets are about as "Amiga" as my grandmother's tits.  End of story.

Wrong thread, this thread is about C= partnering with Disney. The Amiga branded tablets are a pretty much speculation atm.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 05:17:52 AM
Quote from: digitex;627559
btw, great video Franko, but the funny thing is, it was actually shot in YOUR kitchen.


Wow Barry... or is it Leo... didn't know you'd be able to spot the difference... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: digitex;627557
They're exactly like your grandmother's tits:  flat, shiny, and loves to be played with, with boys like you.


I guess my grandfather's cock is more your thing.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 05:24:24 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627560
Wrong thread, this thread is about C= partnering with Disney. The Amiga branded tablets are a pretty much speculation atm.


You mean you faked your pictrures?!  Troll!  ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: kedawa on April 04, 2011, 06:42:50 AM
I think 'partnering' is a bit of a stretch.  They've purchased ad space on a Disney product, nothing more.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 06:52:11 AM
I think you should refrain from commenting on things you know less than nothing about. You cannot buy advertising on anything that Disney does. They don't sell advertising. They are the largest media company in the world. There is a huge difference between "advertising" & "partnering".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Duce on April 04, 2011, 07:24:48 AM
If you are claiming a company, any company - did not pay for product placement in such a situation as this as a marketing strategy, I gotta laugh.  Disney (or anyone else) isn't searching high and low as "the nice guys" to invite up and comers into their partners programs free of charge.  If you are claiming that money or stocks/other assets does not change hands in order for, in this case - ad materials to be inserted into DVD boxes, we're living on different planets, lol.  That's as preposterous as saying all these popup ads on websites, banner adverts, etc. - that websites are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.  Paying for exposure is paying for advertising and there's no way around that.  From films, TV shows and movies selling "product placement" in their products to stuff like adding flyers to a DVD, it's advertising and getting your product known, and it is not free for ANYONE, it's commonplace.  Semantics are silly, people pay to play, and paying for exposure is paying for ad space no matter how a guy defines it.  If money or assets change hands, it's buying exposure, lol.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Retro_71 on April 04, 2011, 07:37:31 AM
"advertising", "partnering" & "sponsorships" all that really means IS YOU pay them an amount of money TO use there logo's/products or whatever.
I know because both my work "partners" and "sponsors" football clubs and such.
I could post you a nice email form my work address with all the lovely logos of our partners (which we "paid" for).
Like you said Disney is a media company (ok its a boring media company but it still is) would they let anyone use there "brand name" just for fun without a "small" fee after all its American and a Big business since when did they give anything away for free?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 04, 2011, 08:20:33 AM
digitex

Tell them man tell them!  

Hahah they wont listen though it would be like talking to a stone..
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: kedawa on April 04, 2011, 08:45:43 AM
Quote from: digitex;627586
I think you should refrain from commenting on things you know less than nothing about. You cannot buy advertising on anything that Disney does. They don't sell advertising. They are the largest media company in the world. There is a huge difference between "advertising" & "partnering".
I think you should refrain from posting, period.
You're the one who can't tell the difference.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Borut on April 04, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
Quote from: smerf;627538
Hi,

@Everyone,

Well now we talk of Hyperion, so lets talk, I am sitting here with a PPC 603e, Blizzard board in my Amiga 1200, I have been looking for a legit copy of OS 4.0 for it, tried all three active Amiga stores (amigakit, software hut, & versilla if there are more please tell me), none of them have OS 4.0, wrote to Hyperion about buying no answer, WHERE THE FRAP IS SUPPORT FOR MY A1200. I don't want to buy a mini miga, sam flex 440 because once again where is the support?  I see no mags, no commercial software no software companies giving any support at all, just a bunch of amatuers playing around. I have 3 illegal copies of OS 4.0 that don't work from 3 seperate people. Once again where is the support?
smerf


Don´t know where is the big problem:
http://www.vesalia.de -> Change to english language and enter in the search field "OS 4.0" - the first product in the list shows OS 4.0 for classics

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=764

Not on stock but probably a chance to get some?
http://www.amiga-shop.net/product_info.php?products_id=275&language=en&osCsid=m07acp21ogo73o13v9n8ncptt4

At least here somebody should have it http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=resellers but knowing that OS 4.1 for classic will come out soon this could be the problem that the OS 4.0 classic is not available anymore.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 04, 2011, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: Darrin;627550
Great, now what the hell do I do with this painful swelling?  :mad:

Rub gently and fondle with care. Or maybe you could try this hammer :hammer:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Amiga_Nut on April 04, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: digitex;627586
I think you should refrain from commenting on things you know less than nothing about. You cannot buy advertising on anything that Disney does. They don't sell advertising. They are the largest media company in the world. There is a huge difference between "advertising" & "partnering".


You mean Disney actually accepted to take their money in exchange for putting a piece of paper inside the casing? Wow yeah they must be REAL CLOSE :roflmao:

If I had money to waste I could have got flyers for Olivia Wild flavour lollipops to be put in there, if Disney had asked them and given them a 90% discount for the pleasure of being associated with them then I would be impressed. Anyone can advertise anything if they pay for it. Hell rubbish drivers can get behind the wheel of Formula 1 cars if they pay for the pleasure, this is no more significant.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627505
We have been very tolerant of opinions, but comments like this really are personal attacks.

Everyone, you can be as negative as you wish but PLEASE refrain from personal attacks.

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Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: dammy;627502
In case you missed it earlier Darrin, I'm not an employee nor am I an investor of C=USA.  In fact I can remember feeling the rage you have right now when they deluded the worthy Amiga name by some rebadged h0rked up PPC mobo with the name AmigaOne which sold initially running only Linux.   You had the same rage back then, right?

A PPC board that runs AmigaOS 4... if you really can't tell the difference between a PPC board running AmigaOS 4 and a generic x86 running Windows 7/Linux and think they're both Amigas, then there's really no hope here.  The difference should be blindly obvious to any one.

The OS is really the only defining factor in computers these days, Macs are not the same as PCs running Win 7 just because of the hardware similarities, what makes them a Mac?  Because they run the MacOS and run Mac apps, same with Amiga hardware, if it doesn't run AmigaOs or Amiga apps, it's not an Amiga.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 11:29:35 AM
Quote from: magnetic;627439
amigadave

You are right.. Sooo many people have left the site because of this idiot fanboys.. they need to get a life.

Commodore uSA has DONE MORE THAN ANY AMIGA COMPANY SINCE 93 TO GET THE BRAND OUT THERE.


Personally I'd rather the Amiga brand was laid to rest than whored out on cheap knock-off tat like supermarket TVs and sub $100 buggy android tablets, what a sad and undignified end to one of the industries most pioneering technology brands of the 80s/90s.  Sticking the name Amiga on a kettle or crap TV is not doing "more for the Amiga", it's making what was once a legendary name into a laughing stock.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 11:32:05 AM
Quote from: Iggy;627478
Thanks Red,
.[/I]".
The venom is a bit much considering how many people have already suggested that if the Amiga were still around it would probably be X86 based.
!

Maybe, but it wouldn't be running Windows 7 or Ubuntu with an emulator (at best), that's just a PC, same as we had in the Amiga era running Windows, the same, these CUSA "Amigas" are no more an Amiga than the Amstrad 286 running Win 3.1 my bro had when I had my A600.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
Quote from: danwood;627671
it's making what was once a legendary name into a laughing stock.

yeah, um.. hey danwood if you're considering becoming a apple Switcher or upgrading to an Atari ST I would be willing to give ya a couple of bucks for that slow old amiga hardware
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: brenry;627675
yeah, um.. hey danwood if you're considering becoming a apple Switcher or upgrading to an Atari ST I would be willing to give ya a couple of bucks for that slow old amiga hardware


I've been a Mac user since 2001, a Windows user since 1998, a Linux user since 2006 and an Amiga user since 1991 (OS 2.0-4.1.2).  I use OS 4 on an A1XE today and an A1200 upgraded for classic stuff, but it's not the same as my Mac or PCs, slapping a boing ball logo on my Win 7 box would not make it be an Amiga.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: mel_zoom;627312


I may be too young to claim I was a first generation commodore user but having inherited them from an older brother I remember them fondly and still have a working amiga that I still use sometimes. This new commodore seems to have no such sense of nostalgia and interested only in making a quick dollar selling devices you can already buy elsewhere for less. Theres no visible affection for anything or respect for anyone in the existing community and even a sense of glee from some that they are going to upset as many people as possible.


This exactly sums up the way I feel too. Slapping the Amiga brand on any rebadged crap you usually see in Lidl, Aldi (NOK, Alba gear etc.) or other cheap supermarkets is not doing the brand any favours, just cheapening what was once a legendary name, anyone who remembers the Amiga will just look at it and be like "wow, sad what happened to the Amiga that it ended up on this crap!".  At least before it had died with a bit of dignity.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 12:19:17 PM
What I dont get is there is no interface connections to use a 1541 or cassette drive ?  They dont seem to be offering any add-on kit.  Are they just assuming you will go online and download the disk (c) images.. one file at a time? Do they just supply them with a TOSEC DVD collection?  Wikipedia shows software copyright infringement laws begin to start to expire in 2030.  Companies may be out of business but Ebay even continues to remove pirated collections.  And people continue to make large profits from old software there from collectors.

If they are banking on people who actually buy the disney movie rather than download the mkv file, they probably aren't smart enough to know the retro torrent communities in the first place.

This will be really interesting come next month when they get flooded with tech support calls from people on how to load their disks.. hahahaahahaha
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: danwood;627669
A PPC board that runs AmigaOS 4... if you really can't tell the difference between a PPC board running AmigaOS 4 and a generic x86 running Windows 7/Linux and think they're both Amigas, then there's really no hope here.  The difference should be blindly obvious to any one.


You are glossing it over.  It was a generic PPC mobo with a botched chipset being dumped by the OEM before they went under and the early sales had Linux and not OS4 installed..  I sure can as heck compare it against generic x86 running AROS, both are 1990s Amiga OS like clones, just one didn't have a Amiga badge but ran on better quality, faster, and low cost hardware.

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The OS is really the only defining factor in computers these days, Macs are not the same as PCs running Win 7 just because of the hardware similarities, what makes them a Mac?  Because they run the MacOS and run Mac apps, same with Amiga hardware, if it doesn't run AmigaOs or Amiga apps, it's not an Amiga.


On the flip side, the currently badged Amiga OS doesn't run on Commodore Amigas.  All in all, I don't need a 1990s OS, I need a modern (SMP/MP/MU) Amiga OS and I don't see that coming from the current Amiga community in any of the current flavors. I will wait to see if C=USA can come up with a true next generation Amiga type OS or not.  They haven't told us anything about their next generation OS, why damn them before they do so?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
Quote from: Amiga_Nut;627645
You mean Disney actually accepted to take their money in exchange for putting a piece of paper inside the casing? Wow yeah they must be REAL CLOSE :roflmao:

If I had money to waste I could have got flyers for Olivia Wild flavour lollipops to be put in there, if Disney had asked them and given them a 90% discount for the pleasure of being associated with them then I would be impressed. Anyone can advertise anything if they pay for it. Hell rubbish drivers can get behind the wheel of Formula 1 cars if they pay for the pleasure, this is no more significant.


Pay close attention, this is DISNEY, they don't do it that way.  Why don't you call and ask Disney yourself if you can advertise your product and see what they say?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: brenry;627685
What I dont get is there is no interface connections to use a 1541 or cassette drive ?  They dont seem to be offering any add-on kit.  Are they just assuming you will go online and download the disk (c) images.. one file at a time? Do they just supply them with a TOSEC DVD collection?  Wikipedia shows software copyright infringement laws begin to start to expire in 2030.  Companies may be out of business but Ebay even continues to remove pirated collections.  And people continue to make large profits from old software there from collectors.


There will be a app store to purchase C64 software.  I suspect it won't take too long before new games/apps to appear after it's opening.  I know, it's a foreign idea around here that Devs can make money from their work.

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If they are banking on people who actually buy the disney movie rather than download the mkv file, they probably aren't smart enough to know the retro torrent communities in the first place.


Pathetic pirates are not the target market.

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This will be really interesting come next month when they get flooded with tech support calls from people on how to load their disks.. hahahaahahaha


Tech support is done by a contractor.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 12:55:12 PM
dammy: let me get this straight... you are a mod on their forum, act unprofessional when representing them, and act like overall douche.

Their money would be better spent hiring Franko to promote their product than disney.  At least then you would have the C= community willing to listen.  You are just continuing to make enemies.  The same people who post on that forum were probably paid to say stuff like that as well on the facebook page.  They.. well.. they don't sound like real people.

You as your mod status and representing their company went off on some schpill  about mental help, when in reality it's probably mental patients you hired to type all cheery on the forums, playing kindergarten games of hoooray this will be so fun.

dammy you dummy :P
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 12:58:30 PM
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There will be a app store to purchase C64 software. I suspect it won't take too long before new games/apps to appear after it's opening. I know, it's a foreign idea around here that Devs can make money from their work. Pathetic pirates are not the target market..
Dammy you missed the point.  People have old treasured disks; geneology, ansi art they may had made as a kid, old letters / documents.  that stuff can't be bought.  And games / programs they already own ?

You are missing the point of nostalgia and just back up everyone's view on how they are approaching this.  It's a mod kit, and you said yourself.. you don't give a damn about people.. its about trying to ca$h in on the namebrand.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 01:14:50 PM
Quote from: brenry;627702
Their money would be better spent hiring Franko to promote their product than disney.
 

:roflmao:


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At least then you would have the C= community willing to listen.  You are just continuing to make enemies.  The same people who post on that forum were probably paid to say stuff like that as well on the facebook page.  They.. well.. they don't sound like real people.

Oh, yeah... we're paid. I got a 15% share in C=USA for saying that I like their plans. It's not too late for you to get some shares too :lol:

And I also got Olivia Wilde's number :lol:. I'm taking her out for dinner :lol:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: brenry;627704
Dammy you missed the point.  People have old treasured disks; geneology, ansi art they may had made as a kid, old letters / documents.  that stuff can't be bought.  And games / programs they already own ?

Check out flea markets, they may have a C64 and disk drive.  If there is enough of a demand, I'm sure either C=USA or some other company will make a  USB 5.25" disk drive or cart reader.

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You are missing the point of nostalgia and just back up everyone's view on how they are approaching this.  It's a mod kit, and you said yourself.. you don't give a damn about people.. its about trying to ca$h in on the namebrand.

I already brought up these subjects months ago actually.  Cheapest way is to go to the online app store and repurchase the game.  I haven't seen the pricing yet, but I suspect the pricing to be pretty reasonable.  I have a feeling if C=USA did support those old C64 media, it would have driven the price up too high.  It's a question on how much it will cost to buy it from online app store vs paying for support hardware to reuse those old games.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: rebraist on April 04, 2011, 01:41:09 PM
today amiga is a pc.
we can like it or not, but it's a pc.
30 years ago it was a mc68k based computer.
the main peculiarity of the "30 years ago amiga" was its custom chips.
30 years are passed and no one develops hardware that way, except console producers.
why? because people buys it anyway and it's cheap to develop.
think to the x1000 or the sam boards: they're pcs too. yes, they have ppc cpus and not intel compatible ones, but they're pcs.
why? because as before they're cheaper to produce than reinventing something new again.
why don't we like amiga sticker on pc case? because we've lived our last 30 years thinking to the past, living in the past. i say it once again: no more goonies, roanald reagan or nwobhm. 80s are ended.
Now we can like a ppc pc board and install our os4 or old mac and use morphos and it's totally good! What we have to understand is that world has gone beyond our "custom chipset" or "draggable screens". And if someone buys or has a licence to do it (respecting copyrights or trademarks), he can call every machine he has amiga, tandy, dragon1000, spectrum, hal9000 or whatever he likes!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 01:42:27 PM
dammy: I have no intention of buying crap from cussa.

I don't know if you do anything outside amiga... But this seems like a big flashback from a couple years ago of David Foley who manufactored those UltraCades that went like $3000 that was just a pc, vga monitor, and a cheap ass wooden arcade frame. He was charging $300 per expansion modual for like 15 MAME roms.  The whole thing was a joke as he previously tried to (C) the MAME name when he had nothing to do with the project. He had no respect in the BYOAC community.

Barry is the new David R. Foley in the emulation world.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: brenry;627715

Barry is the new David R. Foley in the emulation world.

That's curious to say because

a)you know very little of his plans

b)Barry isn't really doing anything to the emulation world but giving them new machines to run on, if you like them. Hell, he'll maybe even be providing extra source of income for old/new C= and Amiga devs.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: gertsy on April 04, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
c) Brenry is in fact __________
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 02:19:27 PM
Quote from: brenry;627715
dammy: I have no intention of buying crap from cussa.


Then why are you posting on commodore-amiga.org?  Or on this thread with a throw away account?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: gertsy on April 04, 2011, 02:21:02 PM
'Cummon Franko.  Step out from behind that mask.....
LOL
:banana:  Who is brenry ???  :banana:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Khephren on April 04, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
Quote from: rebraist;627712
today amiga is a pc.
Erm, how again? OS dictates type. OS has dictated type since people expected to run the same software on a future iteration of a computing product.

we can like it or not, but it's a pc.
You can keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

30 years ago it was a mc68k based computer.
Amiga was not around in 1981

the main peculiarity of the "30 years ago amiga" was its custom chips.
And a full multitasking GUI? Or were you just a games player?

think to the x1000 or the sam boards: they're pcs too. yes, they have ppc cpus and not intel compatible ones, but they're pcs.
see above. The definition of 'PC' for the man in the street is intel based running a windows OS. That's why 'PC format' and magazines like it never cover mac, BSD, etc.

living in the past. i say it once again: no more goonies, roanald reagan or nwobhm. 80s are ended.
Yes, well done for talking down to people. We really appreciate that.Considering both AROS and Morphos are based on living in the past too, as they are continuations on AmigaOS.

Now we can like a ppc pc board and install our os4 or old mac and use morphos and it's totally good! What we have to understand is that world has gone beyond our "custom chipset" or "draggable screens". And if someone buys or has a licence to do it (respecting copyrights or trademarks), he can call every machine he has amiga, tandy, dragon1000, spectrum, hal9000 or whatever he likes!

So your saying Amiga.org, which is dedicated to the Amiga computer and derivitives, should cover anything with an Amiga sticker on it?
I don't often say this sort of thing, but You really are talking shite, and you aught to question why you are on here.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 04, 2011, 02:49:49 PM
Quote from: gertsy;627730
'Cummon Franko.  Step out from behind that mask.....
LOL
:banana:  Who is brenry ???  :banana:


I think its the same individual from moobunny who is trying a "softer" approach this time around.

lame.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 04, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
Barry's got a good understanding of marketing.  Look at how he pitches a paid advert on a DVD of a film that frankly didn't make the splash it should have.  It's pitched as "co-branding."  Winning means never having to say you're sorry over any exaggeration...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: gertsy on April 04, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;627740
I think its the same individual from moobunny who is trying a "softer" approach this time around.

lame.


I'll prefer to call him Franko.  LOL.
At least until Franko gives me the "Bollocks!" so to speak.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: gertsy on April 04, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
Hmm LOL, Just found a recent quote of mine plagiarised on moobunny.
Is that a complement or an insult?

http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/188785.shtml

whoops double post.....
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 03:32:34 PM
Quote from: Khephren;627732
So your saying Amiga.org, which is dedicated to the Amiga computer and derivitives, should cover anything with an Amiga sticker on it?
I don't often say this sort of thing, but You really are talking shite, and you aught to question why you are on here.

+1

I must say, the CUSA fanboys/employees can take the piss all they like about "it's not a religion", "we're doing something with the 'amiga'", but as someone who loved the Amiga, and had my life changed by it in many ways, what they are doing breaks my heart.  Yeah yeah it's just a "computer" but it meant a lot to many of us, hence our interest in it almost 2 decades after it died commercially, and it does upset a lot of us to see it's name being used on anything from shitty PCs you'd find in Aldi/Lidl to sub $100 no-brand tablets, it cheapens it and is a very undignified use of a brand that meant so much so many of us.

Especially as I'm known on some forums as a long time Amiga fan, and recently have had people wondering why I like the Amiga when they see stuff like those tablets, and think that represents the Amiga today, and I have to explain that I have no association or any love for the current tat that's being branded "Amiga".  Some of the younger guys who don't remember/know how powerful and ground-breaking the Amiga was, now think Amiga is a brand like NOK or Alba that you see on supermarket sold TVs etc, how sickening.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: persia;627743
Barry's got a good understanding of marketing.  Look at how he pitches a paid advert on a DVD of a film that frankly didn't make the splash it should have.  It's pitched as "co-branding."  Winning means never having to say you're sorry over any exaggeration...

I think that much is obvious to anyone who even did business skills as an 11 year old at school.  Many bigger companies have tried to market Commodore PCs since the 1990s, I can count, Escom, Tulip, Commodore Gaming to name a few, all of which have failed.

Fact is you can't go up against the likes of Dell etc. who can afford little margins because they have huge customer bases.  

Plus I keep hearing from people such as Dammy that Barry/CUSA isn't aiming at the "retro market" as such, but outside of it, who on earth would want a PC on their desk that looked like something from 30 years ago?

The brown breadbox C64 even looked outdated by 1987 when it was replaced with the C64C.  Who are these hundreds of thousands of customers he's guaranteed?  Not retro enthusiasts, the general computer buying audience, businesses?  Sorry but I just can't see anyone outside maybe a few hundred Commodore fans (who CUSA have mostly managed to piss off) buying this?

I've asked the question around 10 times now on here but never can seem to get an answer to the above question.

Personally I think they over-estimate people's interest in "retro" gear, sure people get dewy eyed over the C64 and Amiga, but actually buying something today and reminiscing fondly about it is two different things.  I can't imagine most people would want to own a c64 look-a-like in 2011 anymore than they'd like to wear the fashion they were wearing in 1983 today.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 03:51:56 PM
Quote from: smerf;627543
@Commodorejohn,

You know I wish I could live in the past like some of you. The fact of the matter is even my arch rival Apple saw the light and moved over to the X86 type CPU's they saw that the 68000 series and even the PPC chips where going obsolete.
First off, the 68000 series isn't even out of production. The commercially-available ColdFire chips may not be compatible enough for our purposes, but they do exist, and NatAmi has a much more compatible reproduction in the works that will still run faster than even the 68060.

And there's no way in hell it's obsolete, unless your definition of "obsolete" is "does not have a physical implementation that's fast enough to meet my needs at the moment." The 68k architecture is still a solid design that was far enough ahead when it was introduced 30 years ago that it didn't have to be brought up to modern standards via a series of increasingly massive kludges until they finally said "screw it" and moved it to to hardware emulation on a faster micro-architecture (*cough*x86*cough*)
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The only difference is -- they had the money and the talent to rewrite their OS for the new Apples, they had their own money and people that could do a restart and make it work.
And it's hilarious that you'd even be making this comparison, when CUSA are going with bog-standard Linux on the C64x and have talked about maybe, possibly doing a vaguely-defined new OS for a later project.
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What does Amiga have, a bunch of darn whiners that whine about everything, they aren't putting any money up, they aren't risking their bankroll but they are complaining about a second chance.
News flash: some of us don't have that kind of money. Believe me, if I suddenly won the lottery, funding a project like NatAmi would be #2 on my priority list, right after "pay off my college loans."
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Well guess what they can't -- comparing the graphics and sound of Far Cry would be like trying to run a game for the Amiga on the Vic 20. It just isn't possible. That's right CJ we are talking games here, you know the things that made Amiga tick. You want to talk Amiga's Cliche -- video processing, guess what it doesn't lead the field anymore, MAC has taken over, and PC is right on its heals. Don't even try to talk business programs or multi tasking, the PC will wipe the Amiga slick today.
For your consideration: I am perfectly at peace with the fact that PCs and Macs (and newer ARM machines, for that matter) thoroughly outstrip even an accelerated 68k Amiga at any given task. But you know what? I don't value the Amiga because it can run the best games, or do the best video processing, or anything else. I value it because of what it is: a fascinating design in both software and hardware that is so beautifully documented that anyone can understand it. That is worth preserving, not abandoning just because it's not shiny enough.
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What would you do if you had the money and the power to start a computer company?
I would fund the development of the NatAmi, or something like it, so that it could reach its full potential, with optimized hardware from the best fabs.
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What new innovations would you bring out?
The fastest 68k Amiga to date.
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What would your computer do that stood out from all the rest?
Who gives a shit? If it's a great machine, it's a great machine, and the hell with what the competition thinks.

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Personally I'd rather the Amiga brand was laid to rest than whored out on cheap knock-off tat like supermarket TVs and sub $100 buggy android tablets, what a sad and undignified end to one of the industries most pioneering technology brands of the 80s/90s. Sticking the name Amiga on a kettle or crap TV is not doing "more for the Amiga", it's making what was once a legendary name into a laughing stock.
This. THIS.

Quote from: dammy;627698
Pay close attention, this is DISNEY, they don't do it that way. Why don't you call and ask Disney yourself if you can advertise your product and see what they say?
Look, I don't care whether you have to say "pretty please" and do a little dance or not, money changed hands and CUSA got advertising space. Everything else is just bureacratic twiddling.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: jorkany on April 04, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
So CUSA partners with Disney and is supposed to ship production this week? That's just nuts! Look, this is what they should have done, especially it they wanted to be accepted by the Amiga community.

They should have started out by hijacking a historic computing event to promote the product, showing a couple of revision 1 units - maybe set up a PC in a black box to give a "live demo". Then they should have set up a beta testing program, and started small with five units before going throttle up with a full 100 pre-paid "beta" units. In the meantime they should have been doing interviews with Commodore interest magazines, and Barry should have been replying to random subjects on the forums with meaningless yet inoffensive comments like "Very cool!"

All this partnering with Disney for advertising is just crazy kid stuff. Look, this "Tron" movie only grossed about $397 million worldwide - barely a blip on the radar compared to this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-4K9DSa7JI&feature=related

240 views FTW! In your face CUSA!

CUSA should really consider getting in touch with the marketing genius behind A-eon, if they want any brand recognition. Srsly.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: jorkany;627758
So CUSA partners with Disney and is supposed to ship production this week? That's just nuts! Look, this is what they should have done, especially it they wanted to be accepted by the Amiga community.

They should have started out by hijacking a historic computing event to promote the product, showing a couple of revision 1 units - maybe set up a PC in a black box to give a "live demo". Then they should have set up a beta testing program, and started small with five units before going throttle up with a full 100 pre-paid "beta" units. In the meantime they should have been doing interviews with Commodore interest magazines, and Barry should have been replying to random subjects on the forums with meaningless yet inoffensive comments like "Very cool!"

All this partnering with Disney for advertising is just crazy kid stuff. Look, this "Tron" movie only grossed about $397 million worldwide - barely a blip on the radar compared to this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-4K9DSa7JI&feature=related

240 views FTW! In your face CUSA!

CUSA should really consider getting in touch with the marketing genius behind A-eon, if they want any brand recognition. Srsly.

I liked the Tron Legacy movie, and I think it's out in the UK this week, I'll be making a trip to ASDA to buy the blu-ray later, so I'll see what's in the case.

Personally if Commodore USA had to do anything with the Amiga (and I'd really rather they didn't), or had any business sense - to me the most logical and business-wise decision would have been to licence a bunch of old best sellers like Lotus Turbo Challenge, or Sensi and put out a TV-Joystick that ran a bunch of classic games, with a memory card port so people could download ADFs or from their store.

Sell those like the C64 stick a few years ago, put them in Toys R Us etc for £20 each and they'd sell like hot-cakes.

Personally I'd see it as a cute little nod to the Amiga's past and a fun little novelty item, and I'm sure lots of people would.  I'd wager they'd even earn a profit too.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627757
Look, I don't care whether you have to say "pretty please" and do a little dance or not, money changed hands and CUSA got advertising space. Everything else is just bureacratic twiddling.


That is because you don't want to really know the difference.  First lets look at co-branding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding

Second, Disney does not sell advertising space.

Third, it's a huge accomplishment to be partnering with Disney, they do a complete background check on the company before they sign any agreement.  You can belittle it all you want, it is what it is and there is nothing you can say to change it. Nor will it change any of the future relationship(s) Disney may have with C=USA.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
I wonder what Steve Jobs thought if he has seen any documents regarding promotional deals(probably not, but let's imagine)...

"Hmmm, Commodore, from where do I remember this name?" :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: jorkany on April 04, 2011, 04:34:10 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627763
I wonder what Steve Jobs thought if he has seen any documents regarding promotional deals(probably not, but let's imagine)...

"Hmmm, Commodore, from where do I remember this name?" :)


Don't you know, Apple has been actively engaged in a conspiracy to investigate and destroy the Amiga for YEARS!

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20715&forum=2
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 04:35:05 PM
Quote from: danwood;627755
I think that much is obvious to anyone who even did business skills as an 11 year old at school.  Many bigger companies have tried to market Commodore PCs since the 1990s, I can count, Escom, Tulip, Commodore Gaming to name a few, all of which have failed.

Fact is you can't go up against the likes of Dell etc. who can afford little margins because they have huge customer bases.  

Plus I keep hearing from people such as Dammy that Barry/CUSA isn't aiming at the "retro market" as such, but outside of it, who on earth would want a PC on their desk that looked like something from 30 years ago?

The brown breadbox C64 even looked outdated by 1987 when it was replaced with the C64C.  Who are these hundreds of thousands of customers he's guaranteed?  Not retro enthusiasts, the general computer buying audience, businesses?  Sorry but I just can't see anyone outside maybe a few hundred Commodore fans (who CUSA have mostly managed to piss off) buying this?

I've asked the question around 10 times now on here but never can seem to get an answer to the above question.

Personally I think they over-estimate people's interest in "retro" gear, sure people get dewy eyed over the C64 and Amiga, but actually buying something today and reminiscing fondly about it is two different things.  I can't imagine most people would want to own a c64 look-a-like in 2011 anymore than they'd like to wear the fashion they were wearing in 1983 today.


Since you asked 10 times, here is the answer, 10 times:

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx

There, even an eleven year old could understand that.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 04:39:48 PM
For anyone that doubts there's interest in C=USA machines, take a look at their facebook page. The number of people who liked C=USA is going up by the minute. I imagine the spike will be even greater tomorrow and once TV commercials begin and this is just the beginning :).
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627763
I wonder what Steve Jobs thought if he has seen any documents regarding promotional deals(probably not, but let's imagine)...

"Hmmm, Commodore, from where do I remember this name?" :)



Most people recall the story of Apple after becoming very aware of Amiga, but here's something few people remember in regards to Apple:
"On April Fool's Day, 1976, Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs released the Apple I computer and started Apple Computers."

So perhaps the April 1 announcement was quite intentional.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mongo on April 04, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: dammy;627760
That is because you don't want to really know the difference.  First lets look at co-branding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding

Second, Disney does not sell advertising space.

Third, it's a huge accomplishment to be partnering with Disney, they do a complete background check on the company before they sign any agreement.  You can belittle it all you want, it is what it is and there is nothing you can say to change it. Nor will it change any of the future relationship(s) Disney may have with C=USA.


MDG has a long history of fraud and ripping off people. CUSA has no history. Disney can't be doing much of a background check. What kind of a background check do you think they can do on a company that isn't shipping any products?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 04:45:24 PM
Quote from: jorkany;627758
So CUSA partners with Disney and is supposed to ship production this week? That's just nuts! Look, this is what they should have done, especially it they wanted to be accepted by the Amiga community.

They should have started out by hijacking a historic computing event to promote the product, showing a couple of revision 1 units - maybe set up a PC in a black box to give a "live demo". Then they should have set up a beta testing program, and started small with five units before going throttle up with a full 100 pre-paid "beta" units. In the meantime they should have been doing interviews with Commodore interest magazines, and Barry should have been replying to random subjects on the forums with meaningless yet inoffensive comments like "Very cool!"

All this partnering with Disney for advertising is just crazy kid stuff. Look, this "Tron" movie only grossed about $397 million worldwide - barely a blip on the radar compared to this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-4K9DSa7JI&feature=related

240 views FTW! In your face CUSA!

CUSA should really consider getting in touch with the marketing genius behind A-eon, if they want any brand recognition. Srsly.


http://www.amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/mickeymouse.gif       http://www.amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/roflmao.gif
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 04:47:33 PM
Quote from: dammy;627760
That is because you don't want to really know the difference.  First lets look at co-branding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-branding

Second, Disney does not sell advertising space.
So they put a fancy name on it, what does that change? Even assuming you'd really count this as co-branding (because seriously, would Disney really be hoping to promote Tron: Legacy off the sales of a PC clone in a C64 case?) all that means is that maybe they exchanged something other than pure dollars for advertising space. Big whoop.
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Third, it's a huge accomplishment to be partnering with Disney, they do a complete background check on the company before they sign any agreement. You can belittle it all you want, it is what it is and there is nothing you can say to change it.
So, what, Disney is the Amiga community's matchmaker now? What would a "background check" entail other than making sure that they're producing and shipping an actual product (which, by this point, is no longer in question?) If they're satisfied CUSA isn't a scam, good for Disney, but no amount of "co-branding" is going to make this not a PC clone in a fancy case running Linux.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: mongo;627770
What kind of a background check do you think they can do on a company that isn't shipping any products?

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetting
 
Vetting is a process of examination and evaluation, generally referring to performing a background check on someone before offering him or her employment, conferring an award, etc. In addition, in intelligence gathering, assets are vetted to determine their usefulness
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: digitex;627765
Since you asked 10 times, here is the answer, 10 times:

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Comments.aspx

There, even an eleven year old could understand that.


Hmmn a bunch of comments from people who are assuming the Amiga is "back" and the C64 is "back" who will probably be very disappointed when they find out that it's just the same as the Windows Pc they already have.

Doesn't really explain it to me, they are not bringing the Amiga back, the Amiga is/was a platform, the same as Windows/Unix/Mac/ST, this is a Windows platform machine with an Amiga badge.

So again, who are they aiming at?  PC users who want an 80s case?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 04:54:28 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627768
For anyone that doubts there's interest in C=USA machines, take a look at their facebook page. The number of people who liked C=USA is going up by the minute. I imagine the spike will be even greater tomorrow and once TV commercials begin and this is just the beginning :).


Just looks like more people who are wrongly believing these new machines will be a continuation of the platform they loved or a modern implementation, and will be disappointed when it's just the same as their existing PC, bar the case.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: danwood;627774
So again, who are they aiming at?  PC users who want an 80s case?

I guess the same people who are buying FIAT 500s and getting this

(http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/fiat_500.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 05:05:04 PM
Quote from: danwood;627774
Hmmn a bunch of comments from people who are assuming the Amiga is "back" and the C64 is "back" who will probably be very disappointed when they find out that it's just the same as the Windows Pc they already have.

Doesn't really explain it to me, they are not bringing the Amiga back, the Amiga is/was a platform, the same as Windows/Unix/Mac/ST, this is a Windows platform machine with an Amiga badge.

So again, who are they aiming at?  PC users who want an 80s case?



It seemed that the original plan was strictly based on brand recognition, which Barry Altman made clear last year.
"Altman said that he is bringing back the name because "the *name Commodore and the Commodore Computer was the most popular computer of all times "even though a product has not been introduced in the last*almost*20 years the name itself has brand recognition that parallels and rivals the greatest in the industry." He said that Commodore has an 87% ranking."
source (http://www.larrysworld.com/2010/05/31/commodore-64-makes-a-comeback)

Any venture will change/adapt over time, though, so I wouldn't be quick to conclude that any future view is quite the same. There are a lot of variables here...a lot.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: danwood;627774
So again, who are they aiming at? PC users who want an 80s case?

There is value in a name and likeness. If the cards are played out right, former and current users will buy one. Current users will be a smallish number, former users could be a much greater number. It could also appeal to people who appreciate the retro look.
 
Do what I am doing, sit back and enjoy the show as a casual observer. You will witness one of two things.
 
1) Rebirth of a brand name and identity.
2) A spectacular failure on a big stage for the world to see.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
Quote from: number6;627777
It seemed that the original plan was strictly based on brand recognition, which Barry Altman made clear last year.
"Altman said that he is bringing back the name because "the *name Commodore and the Commodore Computer was the most popular computer of all times "even though a product has not been introduced in the last*almost*20 years the name itself has brand recognition that parallels and rivals the greatest in the industry." He said that Commodore has an 87% ranking."
source (http://www.larrysworld.com/2010/05/31/commodore-64-makes-a-comeback)

Any venture will change/adapt over time, though, so I wouldn't be quick to conclude that any future view is quite the same. There are a lot of variables here...a lot.

#6

If the Commodore brand had such good ranking, why have half a dozen bigger companies (Escom, Tulip etc.) failed over the last 15 years?  Plus they were actually released in the 90s/early 00s when people still remembered Commodore as a brand.  Even closer to now, the Commodore Gaming PC rigs of 2007-2009 also failed.  Did he not use this very valuable research?  I'm sure the brand is still recognised, but past experience shows people regard it as an old brand from a different era, and are not interested in owning a Commodore these days.

Bananarama are still a recognised band name, but their albums in the 00s flopped.   Recognition and desire to buy are very different.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627778
There is value in a name and likeness. If the cards are played out right, former and current users will buy one. Current users will be a smallish number, former users could be a much greater number. It could also appeal to people who appreciate the retro look.
 
Do what I am doing, sit back and enjoy the show as a casual observer. You will witness one of two things.
 
1) Rebirth of a brand name and identity.
2) A spectacular failure on a big stage for the world to see.



I'm not convinced there is value in the name/likeness in 2011.  It's seen as a brand of the 80s, I think what's been mistaken here is nostalgia "aww man I loved my Amiga/C64, playing Sensi Soccer and Golden Axe lol!" dreaming of long summers as a kid with your friends.

In the same way people might reminisce about being into Rick Astley, or New Kids and wearing parachute pants and rara skirts, nostalgic memories are one thing, people look back fondly on them, but it doesn't mean they want a wardrobe full of shoulder pads and miami vice suits 30 years on.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 05:16:40 PM
Quote from: danwood;627774
Hmmn a bunch of comments from people who are assuming the Amiga is "back" and the C64 is "back" who will probably be very disappointed when they find out that it's just the same as the Windows Pc they already have.

Doesn't really explain it to me, they are not bringing the Amiga back, the Amiga is/was a platform, the same as Windows/Unix/Mac/ST, this is a Windows platform machine with an Amiga badge.

So again, who are they aiming at?  PC users who want an 80s case?


The Amiga is much more than a machine..it is first and foremost an iconic BRAND!!! And how can you call our products a Windows platform, when we don't even promote or sell it with any MS s/w?
It is very clear that the only people who will be disappointed are the handful of members here, who refuse to open their minds to any change. All 68 of them, which is the average # of viewers online here, compared to the thousands and tens of thousands who are following our efforts to bring back to life a nearly dead corpse, who has been kept in hibernation for the last decade.
And as for who we are marketing to, tune in tonight at 12"01 AM EST, and find out.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
or the VW Beetle, now undergoing it's third rebirth as a 2012 model..which IMHO, is gorgeous!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kronos on April 04, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627776
I guess the same people who are buying FIAT 500s and getting this

(http://www.businessweek.com/autos/autobeat/archives/fiat_500.jpg)


Ah people who buy an overpriced and less functional Fiat Panda and are than suprised that it's still typical italian quality (read that car sucks donkey rear)....

The pseudo retro blitz will only get you that far, unless your product is good enough to stand on it's own (if BMW had named the Mini "0-series" combined with a modern  looking body-kit, it would still be a success cos it's actually a quite good sporty small car).

So no, putting a bottom end PC into a retro case that has serious useability-issues  isn't gonna sell wll once the blitz is over.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
Quote from: digitex;627781
The Amiga is much more than a machine..it is first and foremost an iconic BRAND!!!

The reason it was an iconic brand was because of the hardware/software it ran.  When I was 9 years old and drooled over the Amiga in catalogues it wasn't because of the name, it was because of the mind-blowing graphics and seeing demos and games in stores that blew me away.

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And how can you call our products a Windows platform, when we don't even promote or sell it with any MS s/w?

I've yet to see which, if any OS will be shipped, so you won't be offering Windows 7 as an option on your PCs?   Make no mistake though, these are IBM PC/Wintel machines you're selling, they're a development/descendant of the "PC" platform, not the Amiga platform.

Even if the Amiga did go x86 and was still around, it would be running it's own custom software and run specific Amiga apps, like the Mac, probably with some proprietary hardware too.

These machines are what we call "PCs" today and what we called "PCs" in the 80s, machines that ran DOS now run Windows, they're not Amigas, nothing close, and the comments on most of the links above seem to be from people who remember the Amiga with fond nostalgia, and probably are bored of their PCs/Windows boxes and are expecting a rebirth of the Amiga platform, when this is no such thing.

CUSA fans may berate AmigaOne/OS4, but at least they run the Amiga platform and are direct descendants of the Amiga in many ways, they still run a lot of Amiga apps and do things in the Amiga way, these CUSA machines don't because they are descendants of the IBM PC platform, not the Amiga.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:26:51 PM
Quote from: Kronos;627783


So no, putting a bottom end PC into a retro case that has serious useability-issues  isn't gonna sell wll once the blitz is over.


At the risk of being overly harsh, dunno about you, but if any of my non-retro buddies walked into my place and saw a Commodore 64 sitting on my desk, they'd probably laugh and be like "you loser lol" while sitting down and playing with their iPad.

It's not a cool case design for the general public.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: danwood;627779
If the Commodore brand had such good ranking, why have half a dozen bigger companies (Escom, Tulip etc.) failed over the last 15 years?  Plus they were actually released in the 90s/early 00s when people still remembered Commodore as a brand.  Even closer to now, the Commodore Gaming PC rigs of 2007-2009 also failed.  Did he not use this very valuable research?



Yeahronimo and Tulip were literally at war the entire time, and I've written extensively about that history on AW.
You saw the result of the Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion war as well, and how that affected development, so you have here example of both past and present endeavors and why they end up the way they do.
Commodore Gaming...erm...you mean another one that claimed to be the "licensor", when they were proven not to be.
See the parallels here, as in "legalities"?
Add the quick withdrawal of C=USA from the idea of using AROS, strictly based on possible legal interference with business, and you might see they are trying to avoid the principal C=/clones pitfall of the past...legal shenanigans that could interfere with their right to succeed or fail on their on merits.

Now, as to why no immediate approach to the community. Well, they did, in respect to AROS, and I just commented about that.
Amiga OS and MorphOS...they've not seen a market there and have decided to launch off a proven brand name.
Again, this does not mean they don't have some inkling of a desire to put some of what you and I think of as "amigalike" or "amiga heritage" into their endeavor.
This just means that they HAD to start somewhere with a launch that makes sense from a financial standpoint.

This is just my opinion, viewing this from the outside mind you.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:30:17 PM
Quote from: danwood;627780
I'm not convinced there is value in the name/likeness in 2011. It's seen as a brand of the 80s, I think what's been mistaken here is nostalgia "aww man I loved my Amiga/C64, playing Sensi Soccer and Golden Axe lol!" dreaming of long summers as a kid with your friends.
 
In the same way people might reminisce about being into Rick Astley, or New Kids and wearing parachute pants and rara skirts, nostalgic memories are one thing, people look back fondly on them, but it doesn't mean they want a wardrobe full of shoulder pads and miami vice suits 30 years on.

Do you remember how well the "New Beetle" sold when it was launched? The New Beetle had nothing to do with the original VW Bug except a vague likeness. The New Beetle was essentially a VW Golf with a 20-30% markup over the Golf.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: danwood;627779
If the Commodore brand had such good ranking, why have half a dozen bigger companies (Escom, Tulip etc.) failed over the last 15 years?


AHAAA! Now we're getting to the point... Good question. Maybe because their modus operandi was too much like Commodore's? Maybe because they were not really in sync with the market? Maybe because they sold non-competitive products? Or maybe all of the above.

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Ah people who buy an overpriced and less functional Fiat Panda and are  than suprised that it's still typical italian quality (read that car  sucks donkey rear)....

well, they can't keep up with demand so they must be doing something right.
BTW, my family has the original and the new 500. :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: number6;627787
Yeahronimo and Tulip were literally at war the entire time, and I've written extensively about that history on AW.


True, the Commodore brand was jumping back and forth, but even before them Escom were selling Commodore branded PCs for a couple of years, in most of the high-street stores, they failed.  Heck, even Commodore couldn't shift Commodore branded PCs in the late 80s/early 90s, in-fact their move into PCs is often attributed as one of their financial disasters that eventually killed them.

If you couldn't market/sell Commodore PCs in 1988-1997 (when they were still a global mainstream player) I fail to see how you can in 2011, personally.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:33:53 PM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/qxjhqs.jpg)
 
I wonder what these numbers will be after people start opening their TRON DVD?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627788
Do you remember how well the "New Beetle" sold when it was launched? The New Beetle had nothing to do with the original VW Bug except a vague likeness. The New Beetle was essentially a VW Golf with a 20-30% markup over the Golf.


I'm not feeling the car analogy.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: danwood;627793
I'm not feeling the car analogy.

why not, it fits perfectly... from the marketing, to the execution, right down to the price and brand awareness. You couldn't find a better example to compare with, C64x and Fiat 500 or New Beetle.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 05:37:30 PM
Quote from: danwood;627779
If the Commodore brand had such good ranking, why have half a dozen bigger companies (Escom, Tulip etc.) failed over the last 15 years?  Plus they were actually released in the 90s/early 00s when people still remembered Commodore as a brand.  Even closer to now, the Commodore Gaming PC rigs of 2007-2009 also failed.  Did he not use this very valuable research?  I'm sure the brand is still recognised, but past experience shows people regard it as an old brand from a different era, and are not interested in owning a Commodore these days.

Bananarama are still a recognised band name, but their albums in the 00s flopped.   Recognition and desire to buy are very different.


Many, many reasons why the other attempts failed: lack of funding, poor planning, misguided execution, market conditions, and most importantly, they were not me, and didn't have Leo.

I understand the uber-fans feelings. I really do. What I can't wrap my head around is the extreme insanity that is verbally expressed here over this adventure. Why do they really give a rat's ass about CUSA? Why? We are doing nothing from stopping them in their current activities. Nothing at all. You are all free to buy, not buy,laugh, cry, bemoan...all you want. It has no bearing on me or my company, nor do my efforts effect anyone one of you personally. Get help...get on meds...get a life. We are not claiming to have found the cure for cancer. We are not releasing the meaning of life or world peace. We are a business, having fun. Period. If it works, great...if not. so what? No skin in the game on your part. Not any of you will suffer one iota if this attempt falls flat on it's face. At the least, there will be great cases for you to insert your antique dreams and m/b's into. Have fun..enjoy the show..and for God's sake...lighten up!!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:39:06 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627794
why not, it fits perfectly... from the marketing, to the execution, right down to the price and brand awareness. You couldn't find a better example to compare with, C64x and Fiat 500 or New Beetle.


Well firstly because classic cars are actually seen as quite stylish, desirable and classy things to own, owning a computer from the 80s (or a replica) is looked at as a bit sad/nerdy and incapable today.

Some "retro" or historical/classic products age better than others, the C64 has more in common with 80s clothes/music in terms of how it's dated than a classic car.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: danwood;627798
Well firstly because classic cars are actually seen as quite stylish, desirable and classy things to own, owning a computer from the 80s (or a replica) is looked at as a bit sad/nerdy and incapable today.

really... have you seen, for example, Citroen 2CV? It's uniformelly called an "ugly duckling" from where I'm from but still Citroen plans to release a 2CV retro inspired car because the old one still remains impossibly popular and a car icon. Have you seen a Renault 4? Same thing...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Digiman on April 04, 2011, 05:42:48 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627794
why not, it fits perfectly... from the marketing, to the execution, right down to the price and brand awareness. You couldn't find a better example to compare with, C64x and Fiat 500 or New Beetle.


A more relevant car analogy would be real Ferrari (C64) vs Toyota MR2 with copycat F355 looking body panels (C64x).

One is a true classic other is a mass produced car disguised as a classic.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:43:09 PM
Quote from: digitex;627797
Many, many reasons why the other attempts failed: lack of funding, poor planning, misguided execution, market conditions, and most importantly, they were not me, and didn't have Leo.

I understand the uber-fans feelings. I really do. What I can't wrap my head around is the extreme insanity that is verbally expressed here over this adventure. Why do they really give a rat's ass about CUSA? Why? We are doing nothing from stopping them in their current activities. Nothing at all. You are all free to buy, not buy,laugh, cry, bemoan...all you want. It has no bearing on me or my company, nor do my efforts effect anyone one of you personally. Get help...get on meds...get a life. We are not claiming to have found the cure for cancer. We are not releasing the meaning of life or world peace. We are a business, having fun. Period. If it works, great...if not. so what? No skin in the game on your part. Not any of you will suffer one iota if this attempt falls flat on it's face. At the least, there will be great cases for you to insert your antique dreams and m/b's into. Have fun..enjoy the show..and for God's sake...lighten up!!

Because the Amiga brand is something I cherish, it was a machine that literally changed my life, most of the creative things I do today, in my career and with computers were crafted and I fell in love with on the Amiga.

That little machine gave me some of the happiest and most creative years of my life, and it breaks my heart to see its name being prostituted on anything from cheap crappy PCs to knock-off Chinese iPads, and TVs you'd expect to find in supermarkets in an attempt to make a last-ditched quick buck off a name that has been devalued of all it's class/legendary status.

To use the much loved car analogy, ask a classic Ferrari fan how he'd feel about Ford Escorts selling with Testarossa badges.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:44:01 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627794
why not, it fits perfectly... from the marketing, to the execution, right down to the price and brand awareness. You couldn't find a better example to compare with, C64x and Fiat 500 or New Beetle.

I was a big time fanboy of air cooled VWs at the time so I remember it well. When it was released I strongly disliked it and refused to buy one since it was not what I wanted from a "New Beetle" but I didn't go on the internet and start a hate campaign against VW. Years later I bought a VW Golf even though I still dislike the New Beetle.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: danwood;627801
Because the Amiga brand is something I cherish, it was a machine that literally changed my life, most of the creative things I do today, in my career and with computers were crafted and I fell in love with on the Amiga.

So if the new Amigas enable you to do all of that again would you still be against it?
Because C=USA is really not into making cheap rubbish and slapping stickers... If they were I'd be the first to say "Hell no!".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mongo on April 04, 2011, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627788
Do you remember how well the "New Beetle" sold when it was launched? The New Beetle had nothing to do with the original VW Bug except a vague likeness. The New Beetle was essentially a VW Golf with a 20-30% markup over the Golf.


The difference is that the New Beetle was actually a pretty good car while the C64x isn't a good computer.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: mongo;627806
The difference is that the New Beetle was actually a pretty good car while the C64x isn't a good computer.

the truth is that the New Beetle was nothing special(Golf mk4 platform, pretty shabby plastics, the only thing they had was the design and I myself prefer the Porsche's version of the iconic shape :)) and that c64x hasn't been tested or reviewed yet so it's clear you have nothing to base your opinion on, do you? :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: danwood;627791
True, the Commodore brand was jumping back and forth, but even before them Escom were selling Commodore branded PCs for a couple of years, in most of the high-street stores, they failed.  Heck, even Commodore couldn't shift Commodore branded PCs in the late 80s/early 90s, in-fact their move into PCs is often attributed as one of their financial disasters that eventually killed them.

If you couldn't market/sell Commodore PCs in 1988-1997 (when they were still a global mainstream player) I fail to see how you can in 2011, personally.



I see that Barry has answered to part of what I mentioned previously with "Many, many reasons why the other attempts failed: lack of funding, poor planning, misguided execution, market conditions, and most importantly, they were not me, and didn't have Leo."

The brand recognition of which you speak existing in those days could NOT be exploited for any purpose because of the legal shenanigans. That was the only point I was trying to make about the past. If you don't fully appreciate that, talk to anyone involved with C= or Tulip during that time.
Oh...being accused of insider trading in court didn't help either. Feel free to examine the assets of Asiarim which is still the same CEO as Yeahronimo as well, etc.
If you think the Amiga "ownership" saga is a sad tale, the C= story dwarfs it by comparison. Really.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627805
So if the new Amigas enable you to do all of that again would you still be against it?
Because C=USA is really not into making cheap rubbish and slapping stickers... If they were I'd be the first to say "Hell no!".


Not if they're doing what I've read so far, putting generic x86 motherboards in vaguely Amiga-ish cases and calling it an Amiga.

I already have a very capable core i7 based PC for Windows 7 and Linux.  For Amiga-ness I use OS4/MorphOS and 3.9 on an A1200.  All three systems run the Amiga apps I love and want to use, all of them share the commands and file structure I expect, and are the Amiga platform in various guises.

What elements of the Amiga will CUSA Amigas bring me, apart from running the same operating systems (Linux/Windows) that I can already on my PC?  From what I see this will just be the same thing I have in my PC tower case but in a different case?

In all honesty I don't enjoy using my PC, it's just a functional tool, it's the Amiga I go to (and to a lesser extent, the Mac) when I want to enjoy using my machine.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: number6;627808
I see that Barry has answered to part of what I mentioned previously with "Many, many reasons why the other attempts failed: lack of funding, poor planning, misguided execution, market conditions, and most importantly, they were not me, and didn't have Leo."

The brand recognition of which you speak existing in those days could NOT be exploited for any purpose because of the legal shenanigans. That was the only point I was trying to make about the past. If you don't fully appreciate that, talk to anyone involved with C= or Tulip during that time.
Oh...being accused of insider trading in court didn't help either. Feel free to examine the assets of Asiarim which is still the same CEO as Yeahronimo as well, etc.
If you think the Amiga "ownership" saga is a sad tale, the C= story dwarfs it by comparison. Really.

#6


Even if we accept this of the Tulip era, it still doesn't account for Escom and the original Commodore also not being able to sell Commodore branded PCs, even in the brand's heyday.  But as has been said earlier, not my money, to be honest I have little attachment to Commodore as a company, the Amiga was a platform, on the other hand, which I do.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: danwood;627809
Not if they're doing what I've read so far, putting generic x86 motherboards in vaguely Amiga-ish cases and calling it an Amiga.

There's nothing else to put in there. Custom hardware would only ensure that it's underpowered, overpriced, outdated and late to market several years. I see we're still learning lessons from the early 90s.
BTW, I love custom hardware as much as anyone else here. I just do not live in a fantasy where it will ever be a viable option with current technology. That's why it only makes sense as a hobby, a low cost hobby, preferably. So I'll get myself a classic 68K amiga and enjoy in the "customness" of the design.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 05:56:42 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627807
the truth is that the New Beetle was nothing special(Golf mk4 platform, pretty shabby plastics

Exactly and don't forget the 20-30% mark up compared to the Golf. It was not a very good car for the price, yet VW couldn't keep them on the lot they sold so fast.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 04, 2011, 06:02:29 PM
Wow, 17 pages in a few days! Can we say "hot topic"?

What would be the name of the order if Amiga was a religion?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627792
(http://i52.tinypic.com/qxjhqs.jpg)
 
I wonder what these numbers will be after people start opening their TRON DVD?




(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2482/cusa.jpg) (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/cusa.jpg/)

It seems that some people are already getting their Tron DVDs. Numbers are climbing fast.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 06:04:23 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627811
There's nothing else to put in there. Custom hardware would only ensure that it's underpowered, overpriced, outdated and late to market several years. I see we're still learning lessons from the early 90s.
BTW, I love custom hardware as much as anyone else here. I just do not live in a fantasy where it will ever be a viable option with current technology. That's why it only makes sense as a hobby, a low cost hobby, preferably. So I'll get myself a classic 68K amiga and enjoy in the "customness" of the design.

Then if you want to be taken seriously as an Amiga, do what Apple have done, or what Commodore would have done.  Redevelop the Amiga OS and platform for the X86, make sure it does things the Amiga way, base it on something else if you have to, but make sure the platform holds the Amiga values, does things the Amiga way and has the spirit of the Amiga, include embedded emulation layers like Apple did with OSX to run classic apps transparently.  Innovate and carry forward the values the brand held.  Shoving an off-the-shelf PC in a custom case and shoving Ubuntu or Windows on it is not even vaguely Amiga-like.

Heck even if the original plan of putting money into AROS was carried on, I'd have been happier, but it would have taken a huge budget to get apps developed and get it to modern standards, which is probably not feasible, so don't bother.

The Amiga was a platform, not just a brand of IBM PC compatibles.  If there's no money/time to run the Amiga platform or a development of it on this machine, then you're not going to be taken for anything more than bastardizing the name for a quick buck, that's why Amiga fans take offence.

The same as Mac fans would feel if you starting selling rebadged Dells as Macs.

There was a reason we chose the Amiga over the PC/Mac in the first place, because we loved the way it did things, liked its style.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: danwood;627815
Then if you want to be taken seriously as an Amiga, do what Apple have done, or what Commodore would have done.  Redevelop the Amiga OS and platform for the X86, make sure it does things the Amiga way, build an alternative platform that holds the Amiga values and spirit of the Amiga.  Innovate and carry forward the values the brand held.  Shoving an off-the-shelf PC in a custom case and shoving Ubuntu or Windows on it is not even vaguely Amiga-like.

This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....
But for now the plan is to use Linux as a base. That could change in the future but I really don't see why is this getting so much negativity. It's pretty much the same what Gateway had in mind and it was a good plan back then and remains to this day.

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Heck even if the original plan of putting money into AROS was carried on, I'd have been happier, but it would have taken a huge budget to get apps developed and get it to modern standards, which is probably not feasible, so don't bother.
Blame A.Inc and Hyperion settlement on that.

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The Amiga was a platform, not just a brand of IBM PC compatibles.  If there's no money/time to run the Amiga platform or a development of it on this machine, then you're not going to be taken for anything more than bastardizing the name for a quick buck, that's why Amiga fans take offence.
quick buck? Well, tell you what... If Barry was asking yours and mine money up front for his machines I'd be there with you... since he's risking his own money and probably a lot of it in the face of SERIOUS uncertainty I wouldn't call this a quick buck business.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 04, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
Best car analogy?

Tata T603

(http://chrisescars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8.-Tatra-T603-500x370.jpg)

(http://chrisescars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8.-Tatra-T603-2.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627817
This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....
But for now the plan is to use Linux as a base. That could change in the future but I really don't see why is this getting so much negativity. It's pretty much the same what Gateway had in mind and it was a good plan back then and remains to this day.
.

So far all I'm hearing is something like Ubuntu with an Amiga-like skin, which is nowhere near even close.  OS 4 is fine for us hobbyists but it's not good enough to be a mainstream OS today.  

Using Linux as a core for a new OS is fine if you're being serious about developing an AmigaOS, which does things the Amiga way (C, DEVS, S etc.) is polished and has included transparent emulation layers, uses AmigaDOS commands etc. then you have my interest.

If CUSA are really developing a next gen Amiga OS which will be a platform of it's own, then of course it would have most of our support, but so far all we're hearing is it will be a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case at most with Ubuntu with an Amiga-look-a-like GNOME skin.

If it's going to be like the C64x effort, free Linux distro with VICE or similar thrown in, then that's just nowhere near good enough to warrant doing this.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: danwood;627801


That little machine gave me some of the happiest and most creative years of my life, and it breaks my heart to.........


I feel your pain; I really do. I can just imagine how you would feel if a REAL tragedy befell you. I can think of many: the death of a loved one, financial ruin, illness, too many to innumerate, and none which I would wish on my worst enemy. But what you are really describing is analogous to loosing your first love, and I am not referring to your old computer toys. Most of us have experienced the inevitable breakup of our first girlfriend or boyfriend. It was horrible...really horrible. You could never imagine yourself happy again. But guess what..time heals those wounds, and most of us move on, still remembering those moments, but still able to love again..and love another. As much, but not the same, of course.  I'm married to a shrink....and it gives me the advantage to see what maybe some of you are afraid to face. For those of you who feel so overwhelmed by all of this, talk to someone, and maybe get a handle on the problem. You may not see it, but this extreme over reacting is really not healthy, and is indicative of a somewhat aberrant behavioral problem. Send me a signed note from your therapist, and receive a free T-shirt.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Belial6 on April 04, 2011, 06:17:21 PM
People keep talking about 'Custom Graphics Chips'.  There were no 'Custom Graphics Chips'.  That is just what we called GPUs back then.  Now, every PC comes with them.  Sometimes they have been integrated back into the same die, buy they are still there.  Heck, the C64x is using ION graphics.  That means that it is in fact a separate graphics chip.  If Amiga had actual 'custom' graphics chips, each of us would have one that was made just for us, and that would truly suck.  The proper way to describe the Amiga's graphics chips is to say that the Amiga had "proprietary graphics chips".
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 06:22:09 PM
Quote from: danwood;627820
So far all I'm hearing is something like Ubuntu with an Amiga-like skin, which is nowhere near even close.  OS 4 is fine for us hobbyists but it's not good enough to be a mainstream OS today.  

Ubuntu will be sold with early C64x because the C=OS is not ready. All those who bought these early C64x will be mailed C=OS when it's out. That's the only mention of Ubuntu for now.

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Using Linux as a core for a new OS is fine if you're being serious about developing an AmigaOS, which does things the Amiga way (C, DEVS, S etc.) is polished and has included transparent emulation layers, uses AmigaDOS commands etc. then you have my interest.
They're pretty serious. As far as I know, they're in talk with several technology companies. So you might just get your wish of some custom hardware inside. I do not know their exact plans for the OS, though.

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If CUSA are really developing a next gen Amiga OS which will be a platform of it's own, then of course it would have most of our support, but so far all we're hearing is it will be a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case at most with Ubuntu with an Amiga-look-a-like GNOME skin.
Well, not much officially has been said over the development of the OS. However, some of us have been informed of the general direction they'd like to follow... and I do not get the impression they want to do a generic PC in an Amiga-ish case with Ubuntu and some Amiga skins.



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Maybe some more details are needed here?
I agree with you there and we'll probably hear some more details on the future plans and products in the coming months.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 06:24:12 PM
(http://i52.tinypic.com/5ewfnl.jpg)
 
Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627817
This is exactly what is planned. Mind you, C=USA would have NOTHING against Hyperion doing a x86 port(hell, they may even be prepared to pay for it) and selling it with C=USA Amigas. The ball is on Hyperion's court....

Blame A.Inc and Hyperion settlement on that.



Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: digitex;627821
I feel your pain; I really do. I can just imagine how you would feel if a REAL tragedy befell you. I can think of many: the death of a loved one, financial ruin, illness, too many to innumerate, and none which I would wish on my worst enemy. But what you are really describing is analogous to loosing your first love, and I am not referring to your old computer toys. Most of us have experienced the inevitable breakup of our first girlfriend or boyfriend. It was horrible...really horrible. You could never imagine yourself happy again. But guess what..time heals those wounds, and most of us move on, still remembering those moments, but still able to love again..and love another. As much, but not the same, of course.  I'm married to a shrink....and it gives me the advantage to see what maybe some of you are afraid to face. For those of you who feel so overwhelmed by all of this, talk to someone, and maybe get a handle on the problem. You may not see it, but this extreme over reacting is really not healthy, and is indicative of a somewhat aberrant behavioral problem. Send me a signed note from your therapist, and receive a free T-shirt.


What a nice patronising reply.  However it does seem that you don't understand/were not an Amiga fan from your reply, and have totally misunderstood this market.

I've lost family members and several relationships over the years, of course it's not the same on any scale.  

However my years using the Amiga were the years I first explored music making, 3d rendering, graphics, animation, video production, coding, gaming, the machine I first got on-line with, the machine that really sparked my interest in computing on a deeper level and most of the things I do for a career today started on the Amiga, it awoke my creative side in many ways, so yes I do hold the machine dear.  

It seems obvious the Amiga never touched you in such a way, hence your plan to just use it's name on any old worthless tat.

Read what other people who were passionate about the Amiga have said to try and get an understanding of what the platform means to many of us, Jim Sachs would be a good start:

"While other computers were mere appliances, the Amiga fired the imaginations of its owners."

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54970&highlight=sachs

For me this was true, hence the reason I'm still interested in the platform 20 years on, if you're taking any passion out of the technology and it's just a brand to slap on any old computer, then of course, who gives a shit?  However to many of us here, the Amiga means more than it does to you.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 06:27:55 PM
Quote from: number6;627829
Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

#6

I'm just saying it's up to Hyperion if they would like to join this adventure of not.

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Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?    

Dave's the man. I had a look at his interests, what a man(I'm saying this ina  strictly non sexual way :lol:) and what a life! :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: number6;627829
Sorry to [snip] in order to tie these two ideas together.
But claiming the ball is on (in) Hyperion's court whilst implying there is something in the settlement that prevents such a thing from taking place is somewhat confusing.
If I'm misreading you, please clarify.

#6


As much as I enjoy using OS 4, it's not an OS that could be taken seriously as a mainstream OS without a LOT of work, same with MorphOS/AROS in their current guises.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 06:30:31 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627814
It seems that some people are already getting their Tron DVDs. Numbers are climbing fast.
So? Whether 2,000 people are interested in this or 20,000,000, it doesn't make it anything other than what it is: a low-end PC in a fancy case trying to make a fast buck off nostalgia from people who don't understand that the C64 was more than just an amusingly-shaped box.

Quote from: danwood;627815
The Amiga was a platform, not just a brand of IBM PC compatibles. If there's no money/time to run the Amiga platform or a development of it on this machine, then you're not going to be taken for anything more than bastardizing the name for a quick buck, that's why Amiga fans take offence.
This.

Quote from: digitex;627821
I feel your pain; I really do. I can just imagine how you would feel if a REAL tragedy befell you. I can think of many: the death of a loved one, financial ruin, illness, too many to innumerate, and none which I would wish on my worst enemy. But what you are really describing is analogous to loosing your first love, and I am not referring to your old computer toys. Most of us have experienced the inevitable breakup of our first girlfriend or boyfriend. It was horrible...really horrible. You could never imagine yourself happy again. But guess what..time heals those wounds, and most of us move on, still remembering those moments, but still able to love again..and love another. As much, but not the same, of course. I'm married to a shrink....and it gives me the advantage to see what maybe some of you are afraid to face. For those of you who feel so overwhelmed by all of this, talk to someone, and maybe get a handle on the problem. You may not see it, but this extreme over reacting is really not healthy, and is indicative of a somewhat aberrant behavioral problem. Send me a signed note from your therapist, and receive a free T-shirt.
And this smarmy jackoff behavior is exactly why there is so much vitriol going around Aorg in recent months. It's not enough to support CUSA, no, you have to condescend to the people who don't like it as though you're the Enlightened Chosen and the rest of us are poor backwards troglodytes who need to be "fixed" until we see the Light. Piss off.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 06:37:42 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627826
(http://i52.tinypic.com/5ewfnl.jpg)
 
Dave Haynie likes Commodore USA, LLC. I guess Dave Haynie is a CUSA fanboy and not a real Amigan?


:banana:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 06:45:10 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627835
So? Whether 2,000 people are interested in this or 20,000,000, it doesn't make it anything other than what it is: a low-end PC in a fancy case trying to make a fast buck off nostalgia from people who don't understand that the C64 was more than just an amusingly-shaped box.


Dual core Atom with Ion2 isn't bad for the C64x.  What would you have put in it instead and kept the price about the same?  Remember, the contracts were done months ago.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627832
I'm just saying it's up to Hyperion if they would like to join this adventure of not.



I'm sorry, but that's like saying it's my choice to cross the bridge and shake hands when there's a slight impediment in the way...such as no bridge.
See Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion VOF is this is unclear. Heh.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627814
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/2482/cusa.jpg) (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/cusa.jpg/)

It seems that some people are already getting their Tron DVDs. Numbers are climbing fast.


Registrations are now going through the roof...between Disney and today's Engadget article, along with all the other sites that picked up the story, our servers are going full tilt...lucky for us they are all running on our "crappy Chinese, Windows PC format, nobody cares about, Commodore c64's". In the last 2+ hours, we received more registrations than the total number of members of this site. Guess the whole world is crazy. Who 'woulda thunk?
http://www.amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/banana.gif
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: dammy;627846
Dual core Atom with Ion2 isn't bad for the C64x.  What would you have put in it instead and kept the price about the same?  Remember, the contracts were done months ago.

And if somebody wants something more powerful, buy a barebones version and put whatever you want and can fit inside.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: mongo on April 04, 2011, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627807
the truth is that the New Beetle was nothing special(Golf mk4 platform, pretty shabby plastics, the only thing they had was the design and I myself prefer the Porsche's version of the iconic shape :)) and that c64x hasn't been tested or reviewed yet so it's clear you have nothing to base your opinion on, do you? :)


It's an Atom D525 + ION 2 running Linux with a cut down keyboard.

Putting it in a beige plastic case isn't going to make it any better than any other Atom D525 + ION 2 running Linux.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: eliyahu on April 04, 2011, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: digitex;627848
Registrations are now going through the roof...between Disney and today's Engadget article, along with all the other sites that picked up the story, our servers are going full tilt...lucky for us they are all running on our "crappy Chinese, Windows PC format, nobody cares about, Commodore c64's". In the last 2+ hours, we received more registrations than the total number of members of this site. Guess the whole world is crazy. Who 'woulda thunk?
for those interested in the engadget article -- and the resultant comments -- you can find it here. (http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/commodore-usas-all-new-c64-shown-looking-more-real-than-ever/)

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 06:59:55 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;627858
for those interested in the engadget article -- and the resultant comments -- you can find it here. (http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/04/commodore-usas-all-new-c64-shown-looking-more-real-than-ever/)

-- eliyahu


Yup, a lot of them seem on the ball

"I'm guessing this is for enthusiasts only.

Its pretty much just a C-64 shell and keyboard with its innard's ripped out and replace by crappy Atom netbook components with a custom bootmenu and the option of running a C-64 emulator.

Not at all appealing. I'd be more interested in a revived Commodore Company with a brand new Amiga and modern Commodore OS. No one wants to take on Microsoft and Apple though I imagine..."
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: digitex on April 04, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: danwood;627830
What a nice patronising reply.  However it does seem that you don't understand/were not an Amiga fan from your reply, and have totally misunderstood this market.

I've lost family members and several relationships over the years, of course it's not the same on any scale.  

However my years using the Amiga were the years I first explored music making, 3d rendering, graphics, animation, video production, coding, gaming, the machine I first got on-line with, the machine that really sparked my interest in computing on a deeper level and most of the things I do for a career today started on the Amiga, it awoke my creative side in many ways, so yes I do hold the machine dear.  

It seems obvious the Amiga never touched you in such a way, hence your plan to just use it's name on any old worthless tat.

Read what other people who were passionate about the Amiga have said to try and get an understanding of what the platform means to many of us, Jim Sachs would be a good start:

"While other computers were mere appliances, the Amiga fired the imaginations of its owners."

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54970&highlight=sachs

For me this was true, hence the reason I'm still interested in the platform 20 years on, if you're taking any passion out of the technology and it's just a brand to slap on any old computer, then of course, who gives a shit?  However to many of us here, the Amiga means more than it does to you.


Here's my personal Commodore/Amiga story. If I didn't have one, I wouldn't be doing this now, would I? early 1980's...was running a large business, but didn't want to spend the $$ on a "real IBM" system ( read: could not afford). The son of one of my managers told us he would set up a C64 (toy, in my eyes), and write all the specific programs I needed. The usual, just customized for our industry; A/R, A/P, Payroll, Inv control, invoicing , w/p etc. It ran great..and had these cheap little toys installed in all 187 locations. They ran flawlessly for years...and made me a shitload of $$, even with the noisy dot matrix printers! years later, I used the Amiga w/ Newtek Video Toaster in HUNDREDS of cable company headends for their character gen and other in house productions. made a fortune on that, because the only alternative was the multi thousand $ studio equipt. that they were all using before. Long story short..i loved them then..and I still love them now. Only difference between you and me....I took my $$$ out from next to where my balls rest (my pocket) and put it into something real......and you've done what to promote and help the "cause"???
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: WolfToTheMoon on April 04, 2011, 07:01:44 PM
Quote from: danwood;627859
Yup, a lot of them seem on the ball

"I'm guessing this is for enthusiasts only.

Its pretty much just a C-64 shell and keyboard with its innard's ripped out and replace by crappy Atom netbook components with a custom bootmenu and the option of running a C-64 emulator.

Not at all appealing. I'd be more interested in a revived Commodore Company with a brand new Amiga and modern Commodore OS. No one wants to take on Microsoft and Apple though I imagine..."

There's positive and there' negative comments... one thing to keep in mind,  most Engadget readers are probably too young to have used C64s or Amigas. The true success of the Tron marketing is best seen on the Facebook page.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 07:10:03 PM
Quote from: danwood;627859
"I'm guessing this is for enthusiasts only.

Its pretty much just a C-64 shell and keyboard with its innard's ripped out and replace by crappy Atom netbook components with a custom bootmenu and the option of running a C-64 emulator.

Not at all appealing. I'd be more interested in a revived Commodore Company with a brand new Amiga and modern Commodore OS. No one wants to take on Microsoft and Apple though I imagine..."
Hey, look at that! Somebody's been using their brain...

Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627861
There's positive and there' negative comments... one thing to keep in mind,  most Engadget readers are probably too young to have used C64s or Amigas. The true success of the Tron marketing is best seen on the Facebook page.
No. The true success of the Tron marketing will be best seen in the stores. It's braindead simple to claim you like something on Facebook; it's another matter to put your money towards it.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: danwood on April 04, 2011, 07:13:35 PM
Quote from: digitex;627860
Here's my personal Commodore/Amiga story. If I didn't have one, I wouldn't be doing this now, would I? early 1980's...was running a large business, but didn't want to spend the $$ on a "real IBM" system ( read: could not afford). The son of one of my managers told us he would set up a C64 (toy, in my eyes), and write all the specific programs I needed. The usual, just customized for our industry; A/R, A/P, Payroll, Inv control, invoicing , w/p etc. It ran great..and had these cheap little toys installed in all 187 locations. They ran flawlessly for years...and made me a shitload of $$, even with the noisy dot matrix printers! years later, I used the Amiga w/ Newtek Video Toaster in HUNDREDS of cable company headends for their character gen and other in house productions. made a fortune on that, because the only alternative was the multi thousand $ studio equipt. that they were all using before. Long story short..i loved them then..and I still love them now. Only difference between you and me....I took my $$$ out from next to where my balls rest (my pocket) and put it into something real......and you've done what to promote and help the "cause"???

You haven't done anything to promote or help the Amiga "cause" as of yet.

I also don't believe your passion for the Amiga, nobody who "loved" or cared for the Amiga as a platform would reduce it to a low-end PC in a vaguely Amiga-ish case.

Of course I look forward to being proved wrong and for you to deliver more than you have with the C64x, an atom netbook innards in an old fashioned case running Linux, but from your performance so far, my hopes aren't high.  It would seem many others in the Amiga community feel the same way, your attitude also doesn't win you many fans.

So far we've seen a low quality website with mostly stolen images from the community, trolling from you and your cohorts on various forums, such as Dammy's incessant "OS 4 users are gonna piiiissssed this month!", various name calling and venom spat around, threatening to sue OS News, intentionally trying to annoy OS 4 fans by naming some linux distro "Workbench 5" until you realised you couldn't, getting a bad rep in most of the "retro" community, and apparently releasing a netbook in an old C64 case.

Sorry but you'll have to do a hell of a lot more than that before you've convinced me you're doing anything worthwhile or valuable "for the Amiga", so far all I see are vague "threats" that you're going to basically continue to drag its name through the mud even more while claiming yourself as some kind of saviour.

Quite frankly you can piss away your money in any way you like, but personally I look forward to your pointless operation ending as soon as possible so you lot leave us all alone.  

The Amiga has been dead commercially almost 20 years, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than what you're doing to bring it back, sorry but I've seen more impressive and bigger companies come and go than you.

No I wouldn't put any of my $$$ into the Amiga or Commodore today, because the brands will not be commercially successful, they're too long dead and too retro in 2011.  I'll wait and see your sales figures, but I don't think anyone wants a PC in a 30 year old C64 case anymore than they want a blu-ray player in an early 80s VHS player case.

If you really loved the Amiga you'd at least let it die/rip with some dignity.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: digitex;627860
Here's my personal Commodore/Amiga story. If I didn't have one, I wouldn't be doing this now, would I? early 1980's...was running a large business, but didn't want to spend the $$ on a "real IBM" system ( read: could not afford). The son of one of my managers told us he would set up a C64 (toy, in my eyes), and write all the specific programs I needed. The usual, just customized for our industry; A/R, A/P, Payroll, Inv control, invoicing , w/p etc. It ran great..and had these cheap little toys installed in all 187 locations. They ran flawlessly for years...and made me a shitload of $$, even with the noisy dot matrix printers! years later, I used the Amiga w/ Newtek Video Toaster in HUNDREDS of cable company headends for their character gen and other in house productions. made a fortune on that, because the only alternative was the multi thousand $ studio equipt. that they were all using before. Long story short..i loved them then..and I still love them now. Only difference between you and me....I took my $$$ out from next to where my balls rest (my pocket) and put it into something real......and you've done what to promote and help the "cause"???


Tell someone who gives a damn.  Now crawl off.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 07:23:25 PM
Quote from: danwood;627866
You haven't done anything to promote or help the Amiga "cause" as of yet.

I also don't believe your passion for the Amiga, nobody who "loved" or cared for the Amiga as a platform would reduce it to a low-end PC in a vaguely Amiga-ish case.

Of course I look forward to being proved wrong and for you to deliver more than you have with the C64x, an atom netbook innards in an old fashioned case running Linux, but from your performance so far, my hopes aren't high.  It would seem many others in the Amiga community feel the same way, your attitude also doesn't win you many fans.

So far we've seen a low quality website with mostly stolen images from the community, trolling from you and your cohorts on various forums, such as Dammy's incessant "OS 4 users are gonna piiiissssed this month!", various name calling and venom spat around, threatening to sue OS News, intentionally trying to annoy OS 4 fans by naming some linux distro "Workbench 5" until you realised you couldn't, getting a bad rep in most of the "retro" community, and apparently releasing a netbook in an old C64 case.

Sorry but you'll have to do a hell of a lot more than that before you've convinced me you're doing anything worthwhile or valuable "for the Amiga", so far all I see are vague "threats" that you're going to basically continue to drag its name through the mud even more while claiming yourself as some kind of saviour.

Quite frankly you can piss away your money in any way you like, but personally I look forward to your pointless operation ending as soon as possible so you lot leave us all alone.  

The Amiga has been dead commercially almost 20 years, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than what you're doing to bring it back, sorry but I've seen more impressive and bigger companies come and go than you.

No I wouldn't put any of my $$$ into the Amiga or Commodore today, because the brands will not be commercially successful, they're too long dead and too retro in 2011.  I'll wait and see your sales figures, but I don't think anyone wants a PC in a 30 year old C64 case anymore than they want a blu-ray player in an early 80s VHS player case.

If you really loved the Amiga you'd at least let it die/rip with some dignity.


So are you finished now?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: dammy;627871
So are you finished now?


I wish you were.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 04, 2011, 07:26:05 PM
Quote from: dammy;627871
So are you finished now?
Are the CUSA zealots?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 07:26:31 PM
Quote from: Darrin;627874
I wish you were.


Wish I was what?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627876
Are the CUSA zealots?

Dave Haynie?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 04, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
Quote from: dammy;627877
Wish I was what?


Finished.

Shouldn't you be busy deleting the negative quotes on your website before people read them?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 07:36:24 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;627876
Are the CUSA zealots?


That's BAFs to you. :banana:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Darrin;627881
Finished.

Shouldn't you be busy deleting the negative quotes on your website before people read them?


No I stand behind my post.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Borut on April 04, 2011, 07:45:23 PM
Quote from: digitex;627848
Registrations are now going through the roof...between Disney and today's Engadget article, along with all the other sites that picked up the story, our servers are going full tilt...lucky for us they are all running on our "crappy Chinese, Windows PC format, nobody cares about, Commodore c64's". In the last 2+ hours, we received more registrations than the total number of members of this site. Guess the whole world is crazy. Who 'woulda thunk?
http://www.amiga.org/forums/images/smilies/banana.gif


Imagine what is going through the roof when customers realize they bought an Commodore but not an Amiga :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 07:48:22 PM
Quote from: Borut;627890
Imagine what is going through the roof when customers realize they bought an Commodore but not an Amiga :)


They are buying a C64x.  Commodore Amiga series details have not been announced let alone released for sales.  How could anyone confuse a C64x with an Amiga?  I don't see how that would be possible.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: haywirepc on April 04, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Their track record so far really does suck. I hoped they learned a lesson from stealing graphics, stealing website text straight from apple.com,slapping vinyl stickers on existing products, announcing all these new products and then pulling them from their website and not shipping any of them,alienating the aros community, then the os4 community,and just generally doing things wrong.
 
Imagine if they had not done all that, how many attitudes would be different towards them? Probably alot. They may be just another story in the long line of amiga grave robbers. Time will tell I suppose.
 
Personally, I think the whole thing is kind of funny. I plan on starting my own amiga company. I will use the commodore and amiga names, I will give away the kickstart roms and whatever software old authors will let me, and I wll be laughing if Silly Billy, AINC, Hyperion, CUSA or anyone else spends tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers trying to stop me because they won't be able to. I think EVERYONE in the amiga community should do the same thing. Imagine if 300 new amiga companies all of a sudden sprang up. Could they sue everyone? No way. No way in hell. It would end all this nonsense pretty fast, and put AINC out of the amiga grave robbing business.
 
Steven
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 04, 2011, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: dammy;627887
No I stand behind my post.



post? (singular). Then who's been making all of these posts with your nick?

Anyway, I'm sure when he said "your site" he meant moobunny, where all good PR is accomplished.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Borut on April 04, 2011, 07:55:31 PM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627832
I'm just saying it's up to Hyperion if they would like to join this adventure of not.



Dave's the man. I had a look at his interests, what a man(I'm saying this ina  strictly non sexual way :lol:) and what a life! :)


Al respect for Dave but didn´t he also joined the incredible http://www.merlancia.us/
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Borut;627896
Al respect for Dave but didn´t he also joined the incredible http://www.merlancia.us/

Yes if you consider a very short stint including not being paid and quickly figuring out the poor state of the "company" to be joining.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: gertsy;627745
I'll prefer to call him Franko.  LOL.
At least until Franko gives me the "Bollocks!" so to speak.

Nah... bollox... taint me it's either Barry or Leo trying to win over some new customers this time by pretending to be intelligent & nice, it'll never work though cos they've already displayed that apart from trying to sell a naff product they're both just a couple of con men out to make a quick buck and as they've said so often themselves we either like it or lump it... :(

See This Post...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=627781&postcount=258

Gawd... now we've got the whole friggin firm to put up with posting keech rounds here, Barry AKA Digitex, Leo AKA BigBenTheAussie, Randy AKA Dammy & WasteOfSpace AKA WolfToTheMoon.... ;)

PS:Forgot to include RedRumLoa who is there officially bought off member of this site... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: XDelusion on April 04, 2011, 08:31:20 PM
OH SHIT! This IS real! WTF?!?!?!

I'm on the CUSA Facebook page (and I've no idea why), and I saw that they posted this there too, and not on April 1st.

Sadly all the groupies there are all like,"oh wow, my baby is coming back and now it will be dual core!" Or they are expressing sentiments about their longing to own the movie...


 Has anyone seen this movie? It was horrid just like the Star Wars prequels and had hardly anything to do with the original, plus it broke many of the rules of the original, like How come the son bleeds within the matrix? And what use does a computer Matrix have for a disco club ran by a homosexual club owner? Once more, what do programs need vanity for? Oh, and how is it that the son suddenly drops into the game and is a gaming expert, but his father was dumbfounded and clumsy and had to build his skills before he could survive...

Total crap!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: persia on April 04, 2011, 08:57:40 PM
What's the price?

Quote from: dammy;627846
Dual core Atom with Ion2 isn't bad for the C64x.  What would you have put in it instead and kept the price about the same?  Remember, the contracts were done months ago.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: brenry on April 04, 2011, 08:59:07 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;627910
Has anyone seen this movie?
Total crap!

The best part of the movie imo was when the kid turned on the power and the arcade came to life with all the retro ambience.  Was funny they used Journey - Love Will Find You, which is used on that 3D flythrough animation people use on that MAME cabinet intros.

Rest of the movie ?  hm.. came close to shutting it off a few times :/
Title: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: tone007 on April 04, 2011, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: persia;627925
What's the price?


What's the word? / Thunderbird / How's it sold? / Good and cold / What's the jive? / Bird's alive / What's the price? / Thirty twice
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Argo on April 04, 2011, 09:04:13 PM
Now if they would just release the original Tron on Bluray!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: Franko;627904

PS:Forgot to include RedRumLoa who is there officially bought off member of this site... :D

Yup, a Lamborghini can buy a lot of loyalty.

(http://images.autobytel.com/2007/Lamborghini/LP640_Roadster_staff/400/Lamborghini_LP640_35.jpg)

Don't be jealous Franko.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
Quote from: Argo;627934
Now if they would just release the original Tron on Bluray!


I want the original on LaserDisk, for me collection... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: tone007 on April 04, 2011, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Franko;627936
I want the original on LaserDisk, for me collection... :D


Nah, go with CED!

http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-Disney-TRON-Selectavision-CED-Video-Disc-legacy-/330498910161?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item4cf34527d1
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 09:14:21 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627935
Yup, a Lamborghini can buy a lot of loyalty.

(http://images.autobytel.com/2007/Lamborghini/LP640_Roadster_staff/400/Lamborghini_LP640_35.jpg)

Don't be jealous Franko.


Don't have space in any of me garages for cars, too busy stocking them up with REAL Commodore products to sell to the disillusioned CUSA customers when they finally realise they've been conned... ;)

PS:where ya been, did Barry pay for that all expenses paid cruise you've been on (suppose it's a wee bit better than some of his nice cool Coke Zero)... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 09:16:20 PM
Quote from: tone007;627938
Nah, go with CED!

http://cgi.ebay.com/1983-Disney-TRON-Selectavision-CED-Video-Disc-legacy-/330498910161?pt=US_Laserdisc&hash=item4cf34527d1


Nah... I'll stick with me old BetaMax copy for now... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: Franko;627942

PS:where ya been, did Barry pay for that all expenses paid cruise you've been on (suppose it's a wee bit better than some of his nice cool Coke Zero)... :D

Oh not much, just got use of the Commodore USA private jet for a month or so with some rented Playboy Playmates. You know the old saying what happens in Vegas?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 04, 2011, 09:24:52 PM
Franko, give Red a break.

He's not some CUSA lackey, he's a decent bloke that's moderated this place since before I was even a member.

The facts are that he just went to see what CUSA was about in person and reported his findings as objectively as possible. What he saw changed his stance from an initially negative one to a comparatively neutral one. People are allowed to do that. He may look "pro CUSA", but only because he stands out against the general tide of negativity here. Of which I can't deny being a part myself (whilst trying to be objective, I'm no fan of what I've seen to date of CUSA. Bad first impressions last)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 09:25:16 PM
Quote from: redrumloa;627949
Oh not much, just got use of the Commodore USA private jet for a month or so with some rented Playboy Playmates. You know the old saying what happens in Vegas?


You know something, there's probably more truth in that statement than anything else you've said in a long time... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Quote from: Karlos;627953
Franko, give Red a break.

He's not some CUSA lackey, he's a decent bloke that's moderated this place since before I was even a member.

The facts are that he just went to see what CUSA was about in person and reported his findings as objectively as possible. What he saw changed his stance from an initially negative one to a comparatively neutral one. People are allowed to do that. He may look "pro CUSA", but only because he stands out against the general tide of negativity here. Of which I can't deny being a part myself (whilst trying to be objective, I'm no fan of what I've seen to date of CUSA. Bad first impressions last)


Seek the truth Karlos and then see if you can say that same comment with complete honesty... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: XDelusion on April 04, 2011, 09:39:39 PM
I have a VERY high quality laser disc rip of the original at home (sitting on the hard drive next my original Evil Dead and Star Wars laser disc rips from Japan). So no holding out on a Blue Ray release for me. Now if I can just find a deal on the old Arcade Games... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 04, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
Quote from: Karlos;627953
Franko, give Red a break.

He's not some CUSA lackey, he's a decent bloke that's moderated this place since before I was even a member.


He can't even put up a photo.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 04, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: Kesa;627973
He can't even put up a photo.


After so many years of using a totally out-of-date xoops installation for the site, the subtle differences in the interpretation of bbcode after a shift to vbulletin might throw you too. Especially after a few months away.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 11:10:46 PM
Quote from: Franko;627955
Seek the truth Karlos and then see if you can say that same comment with complete honesty... :)

Karl is the most honest man on this forum.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 11:16:00 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;627894
Their track record so far really does suck. I hoped they learned a lesson from stealing graphics, stealing website text straight from apple.com,slapping vinyl stickers on existing products, announcing all these new products and then pulling them from their website and not shipping any of them,alienating the aros community, then the os4 community,and just generally doing things wrong.
 
Imagine if they had not done all that, how many attitudes would be different towards them? Probably alot. They may be just another story in the long line of amiga grave robbers. Time will tell I suppose.
 
Personally, I think the whole thing is kind of funny. I plan on starting my own amiga company. I will use the commodore and amiga names, I will give away the kickstart roms and whatever software old authors will let me, and I wll be laughing if Silly Billy, AINC, Hyperion, CUSA or anyone else spends tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers trying to stop me because they won't be able to. I think EVERYONE in the amiga community should do the same thing. Imagine if 300 new amiga companies all of a sudden sprang up. Could they sue everyone? No way. No way in hell. It would end all this nonsense pretty fast, and put AINC out of the amiga grave robbing business.
 
Steven

Well, I own the commodoreamiga.ir domain and both trademarks in Iran and the rest of the non-aligned countries. :)

http://www.amiga.org/forums/group.php?groupid=48
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: nicholas;627994
Karl is the most honest man on this forum.


I never said he wasn't !!!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: eliyahu on April 04, 2011, 11:23:03 PM
and now for your further reading pleasure, el reg has (rather belatedly) posted pictures of the C64x casing from some months back: article (http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/04/c64_prototype_pics/) / comments (http://forums.reghardware.com/forum/1/2011/04/04/c64_prototype_pics/)

i imagine there will be a slightly more accurate article tomorrow after the official launch.

-- eliyahu
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:30:08 PM
Hmm... is this all the new CUSA fanboys trying to register here about 15 minutes ago or has Barry recruited more mindless minions to spam the site with... :)

(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Misc/Amigaorg-WhosOnline-1.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 11:30:12 PM
Quote from: Franko;627997
I never said he wasn't !!!

I know, so you'll see that what he says is truthful.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 04, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;628000
i imagine there will be a slightly more accurate article tomorrow after the official launch.

-- eliyahu


More information will be released at midnight (Eastern USA).  If I didn't screw up, the new video will be on the News section of commodore-amiga.org site.  I have a feeling commodoreusa.net will have something after midnight as well.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 04, 2011, 11:31:23 PM
Quote from: nicholas;627994
Karl is the most honest man on this forum.

More honest than a Pooh Bear? :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: nicholas;628002
I know, so you'll see that what he says is truthful.


Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: jorkany on April 04, 2011, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: eliyahu;628000
and now for your further reading pleasure, el reg has (rather belatedly) posted pictures of the C64x casing from some months back: article (http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/04/c64_prototype_pics/) / comments (http://forums.reghardware.com/forum/1/2011/04/04/c64_prototype_pics/)

i imagine there will be a slightly more accurate article tomorrow after the official launch.

-- eliyahu

The author of that article seems to be confusing the C64x (or whatever CUSA calls it) with the X1000:

"...it was supposed to ship in June 2010..."
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 11:38:26 PM
Quote from: Franko;628005
Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(

Paste them in a new thread here including all headers or forever hold your peace.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:42:17 PM
Quote from: nicholas;628007
Paste them in a new thread here including all headers or forever hold your peace.


Not yet, as they're still arriving and I don't want the person to stop sending me these emails until I can verify the truth behind them...

And as for the forever hold your peace bit, what has this got to do with you anyway...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: jorkany on April 04, 2011, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: Franko;628008
Not yet, as they're still arriving and I don't want the person to stop sending me these emails until I can verify the truth behind them...

The truth is, they would need to be some VERY long emails to make you scroll down:

(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af79/frankosamiga/Misc/Amigaorg-WhosOnline-1.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: nicholas on April 04, 2011, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: Franko;628008
Not yet, as they're still arriving and I don't want the person to stop sending me these emails until I can verify the truth behind them...

And as for the forever hold your peace bit, what has this got to do with you anyway...

Because you are keeping these retched CUSA marketing threads on the front page Franko.  Treat them like you would treat any attention craving toddler and ignore them.  Post your evidence in a separate thread and these free adverts for CUSA will drop off the front page.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 04, 2011, 11:50:05 PM
Quote from: Franko;628001
Hmm... is this all the new CUSA fanboys trying to register here about 15 minutes ago or has Barry recruited more mindless minions to spam the site with... :)


I should point out that I get to see a bit more information in that list when I view it and I'm not entirely convinced all those signing up are even people. As with almost any popular forum using an off-the-shelf package, attempted spambot registrations are an ongoing pest.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: nicholas;628011
Because you are keeping these retched CUSA marketing threads on the front page Franko.  Treat them like you would treat any attention craving toddler and ignore them.  Post your evidence in a separate thread and these free adverts for CUSA will drop off the front page.


That's the whole point that not many seem to be get here, this site is being taken over by CUSA threads, heck even Transitions starting the ruddy things and if the CUSA fanboys get their way then it's only going to become a lot worse... :(

Never believed in censorship but now I really believe for the sake of all the decent members of this great site that Transition should find the courage to say enough is enough and remove all CUSA crap before the site loses more valuable and long time members... :(

Is CUSA really worth all the bullshit being caused here...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 04, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
Quote from: Franko;628005
Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(

Now you are are adding full of shit to your list of attributes that already includes poor impersonation of a Scott and poor trolling ability.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 04, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: Karlos;628012
I should point out that I get to see a bit more information in that list when I view it and I'm not entirely convinced all those signing up are even people. As with almost any popular forum using an off-the-shelf package, attempted spambot registrations are an ongoing pest.


I did wonder about that, too many trying to sign up at the exact same time to be genuine I thought... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:00:10 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628015
Now you are are adding full of shit to your list of attributes that already includes poor impersonation of a Scott and poor trolling ability.

Hmm... after a statement like that seems that there may just be some truth to these emails I've been receiving from your so called "friend"... sad really... :(
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 12:08:21 AM
Quote from: Franko;628017
Hmm... after a statement like that seems that there may just be some truth to these emails I've been receiving from your so called "friend"... sad really... :(

Whatever you say cupcake. Now why don't you post your evidence? Oh wait, you were lying. Oops!:roflmao:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 05, 2011, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628019
Whatever you say cupcake. Now why don't you post your evidence? Oh wait, you were lying. Oops!:roflmao:


Oh boy, now he is going to spend the entire night writing emails to himself.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 12:18:57 AM
Quote from: dammy;628020
Oh boy, now he is going to spend the entire night writing emails to himself.

Hey that's funny! :roflmao:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:20:04 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628019
Whatever you say cupcake. Now why don't you post your evidence? Oh wait, you were lying. Oops!:roflmao:


Perhaps you and Dammy would be better keeping you silly post's for MooBunny like you have been doing for the past few months now... ;)

Shame you're not very good at covering your tracks Red, I thought you actually knew what you were doing when it came to the net, seems I've learned more about it in less than a year than you have in your entire life... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 12:23:18 AM
@Franko

Any fool can pretend to be any other fool on moobunny. That's part of the fun of the place - hell, I have to post via a static IP there just so people can tell me apart from the "itching bastard" version that was floating around for a while previously.

As for comments like "there's going to be a shitstorm...", in what sense was 'r' wrong? Just this one announcement has generated a lot of friction already.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 12:25:21 AM
Anyway, this thread is getting rather off-topic and personal. Not to mention annoyingly sticky. Let's consider that a hint to stick to the topic, shall we? (without all this tangential bickering, it would have already fallen from the front page by now).
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 12:27:07 AM
Quote from: Franko;628022
Shame you're not very good at covering your tracks Red, I thought you actually knew what you were doing when it came to the net, seems I've learned more about it in less than a year than you have in your entire life... :D

You've backed yourself in a corner which you can't get out. You've been exposed as the fake you are. You have nothing because there is nothing. You will sit up all day and night trying to make up a believable story and fake some emails but it simply won't fly. You gambled on a bold faced lie and it blew up in your face.

Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 12:29:49 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628024
Anyway, this thread is getting rather off-topic and  personal. Not to mention annoyingly sticky. Let's consider that a hint  to stick to the topic, shall we? (without all this tangential bickering,  it would have already fallen from the front page by now).

It's ironic you need a moderator to stand up for another moderator. My hero...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 05, 2011, 12:31:30 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628024
Anyway, this thread is getting rather off-topic and personal. Not to mention annoyingly sticky. Let's consider that a hint to stick to the topic, shall we? (without all this tangential bickering, it would have already fallen from the front page by now).


Let me help.  T-Minus 04:30:00 before launch.  First video will be up on http://www.commodore-amiga.org after that time.  I suspect more information will be up on http://www.commodoreusa.net after midnight as well, like a online store. ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: SysAdmin on April 05, 2011, 12:35:10 AM
@Franko
 
CommodoreUSA partnering with Disney is a major story, thus it was a news item here.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:38:42 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628023
@Franko

Any fool can pretend to be any other fool on moobunny. That's part of the fun of the place - hell, I have to post via a static IP there just so people can tell me apart from the "itching bastard" version that was floating around for a while previously.

As for comments like "there's going to be a shitstorm...", in what sense was 'r' wrong? Just this one announcement has generated a lot of friction already.


First off, don't know where you got those words from but I never used them... :confused:

As for MooBunny, I know that place is full of BS it's not the crap on there I'm going by it's emails I've been sent directly and I just need to dig a wee bit further to see if they are genuine & valid or not...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 12:41:28 AM
Quote from: Franko;628035

As for MooBunny, I know that place is full of BS it's not the crap on there I'm going by it's emails I've been sent directly and I just need to dig a wee bit further to see if they are genuine & valid or not...

The backpedaling begins.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_w_bza2cj7x0/St_O6GQyunI/AAAAAAAAAvM/n2N8x0G2Xm4/s320/backpedal.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:41:34 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628026
You've backed yourself in a corner which you can't get out. You've been exposed as the fake you are. You have nothing because there is nothing. You will sit up all day and night trying to make up a believable story and fake some emails but it simply won't fly. You gambled on a bold faced lie and it blew up in your face.

Sucks to be you.


You don't half gibber some BS Red and know nothing about what you are saying, did you really lose the plot altogether after your wee visit to BarryLand, I think that Coke Zero must have been spiked... for a moderator you need to moderate yourself a wee bit better...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: dammy on April 05, 2011, 12:43:58 AM
So Franko, you going to stay up and watch the Commodore/Disney video?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:45:18 AM
Quote from: Transition;628030
@Franko
 
CommodoreUSA partnering with Disney is a major story, thus it was a news item here.


So it doesn't matter the damage it does to this great site, you've got long time members leaving left right and centre over this CUSA crap and a moderator who's more crazy than I am... :(

I'm starting to think Barry must've had a whole crate full of Coke Zeros to pass out... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:47:30 AM
Quote from: dammy;628038
So Franko, you going to stay up and watch the Commodore/Disney video?


Of course, cos in best CUSA style I'm going to nick it to put another spoof video on YouTube... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 12:47:49 AM
Quote from: Franko;628037
You don't half gibber some BS Red and know nothing about what you are saying, did you really lose the plot altogether after your wee visit to BarryLand, I think that Coke Zero must have been spiked... for a moderator you need to moderate yourself a wee bit better...

Being a moderator doesn't mean sitting back quietly while someone slanders you with bold faced lies. I guess one more miscalculation on your part.  I've violated no TOS unlike you. Funny what you can dish out in your attempts at soft trolling, but you can't take someone taking you to task.

Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: SysAdmin on April 05, 2011, 12:49:01 AM
Quote from: Franko;628039
So it doesn't matter the damage it does to this great site, you've got long time members leaving left right and centre over this CUSA crap and a moderator who's more crazy than I am... :(
 
I'm starting to think Barry must've had a whole crate full of Coke Zeros to pass out... :rolleyes:

 
Not sure why someone would leave the site just because of the Disney news. I don't drink Coke Zero due to the aspitame being bad for you. If Red got some Playmates out of the deal good for him.
 
:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 12:50:29 AM
Quote from: Franko;628035
First off, don't know where you got those words from but I never used them... :confused:

It was a comment on moobunny that may, or may not have been Red, that I cited in response to your remarks about him covering his tracks badly. Not like there's much to cover, since the remark was basically spot on - people are indeed reacting predictably badly.

Quote
As for MooBunny, I know that place is full of BS it's not the crap on there I'm going by it's emails I've been sent directly and I just need to dig a wee bit further to see if they are genuine & valid or not...

Let me get this entirely straight. You're admitting here that you've gone ahead made various less than savoury remarks about another member on the basis of something you've yet to confirm the validity of?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 12:51:40 AM
Quote from: Franko;628039
So it doesn't matter the damage it does to this great site, you've got long time members leaving left right and centre over this CUSA crap and a moderator who's more crazy than I am... :(


No , many people have left the site since people like you took over spamming, trolling, and thread hijacking
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:53:44 AM
Quote from: Transition;628046
Not sure why someone would leave the site just because of the Disney news. I don't drink Coke Zero due to the aspitame being bad for you. If Red got some Playmates out of the deal good for him.
 
:)


In case you've forgotten already certain members who left in recent day's stated that it was because of the CUSA crap that they were leaving...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 12:54:07 AM
LOL, it's almost like 2003 again...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 12:55:52 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628053
LOL, it's almost like 2003 again...

Indeed.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 12:56:31 AM
Yeah the "CUSA crap" that ppl are leaving because of ISNT about the company itself they have problems with. Its the idiot fanboys. Namely you you annoying excuse for a person.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 12:57:30 AM
@all

Well, I'm off to bed. Try not to torch the place in the meantime.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 12:58:00 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628049
It was a comment on moobunny that may, or may not have been Red, that I cited in response to your remarks about him covering his tracks badly. Not like there's much to cover, since the remark was basically spot on - people are indeed reacting predictably badly.

Let me get this entirely straight. You're admitting here that you've gone ahead made various less than savoury remarks about another member on the basis of something you've yet to confirm the validity of?


Nope... some of it has been verified (as best as anyone can when it come to verifying such things on the net) the rest just need to be verified or dismissed as a hoax.

PS:what's with the crap here that it's taking two mods and an admin to tackle poor wee me hasn't Red got the bottle to do it on his own...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
Quote from: Franko;628052
In case you've forgotten already certain members who left in recent day's stated that it was because of the CUSA crap that they were leaving...

Where is it written that they left because of CUSA? I must of missed it :confused:

What happened in 2003? :confused: Red vs Blue?

Cheers! :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:00:33 AM
Franko you fool

I wish one of the mods had the "bottle" TO BAN YOU FOR LIFE.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:01:14 AM
Quote from: Franko;628057
Nope... some of it has been verified (as best as anyone can when it come to verifying such things on the net) the rest just need to be verified or dismissed as a hoax.

PS:what's with the crap here that it's taking two mods and an admin to tackle poor wee me hasn't Red got the bottle to do it on his own...

No one is tackling you nyaff. You have been outed as a complete liar and it makes you uncomfortable. Maybe you should have gone after a slightly softer target for your slander?:roflmao:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 01:07:10 AM
Quote from: Franko;628057
Nope... some of it has been verified (as best as anyone can when it come to verifying such things on the net) the rest just need to be verified or dismissed as a hoax.

In other (semantically correct) words, not verified.

Quote
PS:what's with the crap here that it's taking two mods and an admin to tackle poor wee me hasn't Red got the bottle to do it on his own...

Actually, I'm just taking a stance against the personal insult-fest this thread is fast becoming. Red can stick up for himself, though he should know better than to fall for goading.

There really is no need to get this bloody personal about it all.

My advice to both of you - go away and do whatever it is you do to relax.

Oh, and screw you guys, I'm going... to bed
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:10:35 AM
Karlos

Why dont you guys ban this tosser for a while and give us all some piece of mind.. better yet for LIFE. You will do us and him a favour.. him because it will force him to get a REAL LIFE.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:11:33 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628062
No one is tackling you nyaff. You have been outed as a complete liar and it makes you uncomfortable. Maybe you should have gone after a slightly softer target for your slander?:roflmao:


Once again more BS from CUSAs second biggest fanboy... :eek:

I'm perfectly comfortable with the knowledge I have about you Red and the only one who's spreading any lies here is you, go ahead and prove that I'm not Scottish as you claimed a few posts back...

You'll have a hard job doing so as unlike you I'm upfront and honest about what I say and you just don't like that do you cos you know the truth is going to be revealed eventually...

Also unlike you I don't need to round up the "old boys network" to stand up for myself like you have to do...

Seems to me you should have stayed away as at least the other numpties round here that like to challenge everything I say can at least put up better arguments than you can...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 05, 2011, 01:12:07 AM
Quote from: runequester;627553
Maybe Im coming at this from a different angle, but what is there to amiga, other than living in the past? Its a retro hobby. Even the most advanced of the next gen options are aiming at nostalgia pretty squarely and catching up a few years of technology.


Hi,

Hey listen here,

The Amiga was probably one of the greatest computers ever made, and I have to say the C64 was pretty neat to, but that was years ago, I am looking for something more up to date that can run the newer games, and at least print out a page of text on me modern day printer. I want a computer that can do something with modern day programming and monitors, without having to spend megabucks.

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Karlos on April 05, 2011, 01:12:16 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628069
Karlos

Why dont you guys ban this tosser for a while and give us all some piece of mind.. better yet for LIFE. You will do us and him a favour.. him because it will force him to get a REAL LIFE.


You should read my last few posts. What part of "personal insult" isn't clear? You don't want to be joining in.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:12:57 AM
Are you mods going to TAKE ACTION ON THIS MORON? i MEAN HE IS ASKING FOR IT..
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 01:15:20 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628069
Karlos

Why dont you guys ban this tosser for a while and give us all some piece of mind.. better yet for LIFE. You will do us and him a favour.. him because it will force him to get a REAL LIFE.

And you are any better? This post should have been a PM but instead you put it up for everyone to see. By doing this you risk further antagonizing this already heated thread.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:17:36 AM
Quote from: Kesa;628076
And you are any better? This post should have been a PM but instead you put it up for everyone to see. By doing this you risk further antagonizing this already heated thread.


Not a problem Kesa, as I can't normally see anything that fool has to say unless someone quotes the annoying little git... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:19:59 AM
kesa

This guy franko is a cause of ALOT of problems here. I'm not going to let him get away with his antics any more.. so tough.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:23:03 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628067
Actually, I'm just taking a stance against the personal insult-fest this thread is fast becoming. Red can stick up for himself, though he should know better than to fall for goading.

There really is no need to get this bloody personal about it all.

I'm just like any other member, if I cross the line I am subject to moderation. Feel free to moderate if needed, there would be no hard feelings from me.

One thing I will never sit back and absorb is slander or libel and Franko is bordering on libel. Maybe him being on another continent sitting behind a keyboard makes him feel comfortable to do so but it is a false comfort.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: SysAdmin on April 05, 2011, 01:24:51 AM
@magnetic @Franko
 
You guys should have a Coke Zero and relax.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 01:25:04 AM
Quote from: Franko;628078
Not a problem Kesa, as I can't normally see anything that fool has to say unless someone quotes the annoying little git... :D

I'm sorry :(
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:25:53 AM
Red

Yes and he slandered me making up stories about me ripping people off on amibay and with my old company magnetic systems... this guy NEEDS TO GO..

Oh, and I forgot the physical threats that his fat stupid ass cant follow up on. After i called him on it he stfu
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:26:36 AM
Transition

HAHAH yeah the asparatime might help that guy out.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:28:57 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628082
I'm just like any other member, if I cross the line I am subject to moderation. Feel free to moderate if needed, there would be no hard feelings from me.

One thing I will never sit back and absorb is slander or libel and Franko is bordering on libel. Maybe him being on another continent sitting behind a keyboard makes him feel comfortable to do so but it is a false comfort.


Slander, Libel, you really have lost the plot haven't you what about all the slander & libel you used to post about CUSA before you jumped ship or have you conveniently forgotten about that...

So what you gonna do, sue me, go ahead and try but your on a losing battle there mate...

It's a shame I'm not allowed to put you on my ignore list just cos your a mod so I reckon I'll just have to put up with your BS and reply to it in kind...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 01:30:15 AM
Magnetic. Please do this yelling in private messaging. Remember what happened last week when it got out of hand? People are leaving because of this arguing and not CUSA. You say you are standing up for what you feel is right but in doing so you are simply making other problems  :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 05, 2011, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;627026
The C64x is being launched April 5th, same day as the DVD.
Thanks sir for that and thanks for that revirew u did when visted barrys house all adding up know sorry if came accross disbleliving are been proved wrong
and up to admit it know.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:35:02 AM
Kesa

Ppl are leaving in large part to Franko himself who is the ringleader of all this cusa crap for one. So he obviously wont stop so I'm going to keep on him until mods do something..
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 01:36:01 AM
I hear with every copy of the new Tron they are also giving free tickets to bowl with the Dude.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:36:03 AM
Quote from: Franko;628088
Slander, Libel, you really have lost the plot haven't you what about all the slander & libel you used to post about CUSA before you jumped ship or have you conveniently forgotten about that...

So what you gonna do, sue me, go ahead and try but your on a losing battle there mate...

It's a shame I'm not allowed to put you on my ignore list just cos your a mod so I reckon I'll just have to put up with your BS and reply to it in kind...

So I guess that means you have finished backpedaling now and will pretend like you never claimed this?

Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who  likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send  anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how  neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(

Or this?

Shame you're not very good at covering your tracks Red, I thought you  actually knew what you were doing when it came to the net, seems I've  learned more about it in less than a year than you have in your entire  life... :D

Why don't you just man up and admit you were lying?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 01:37:58 AM
(http://www.tofinotime.com/articles/A-T904-13-barnacle-penis.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 05, 2011, 01:38:46 AM
Quote from: Franko;628071
Once again more BS from CUSAs second biggest fanboy... :eek:

I'm perfectly comfortable with the knowledge I have about you Red and the only one who's spreading any lies here is you, go ahead and prove that I'm not Scottish as you claimed a few posts back...

You'll have a hard job doing so as unlike you I'm upfront and honest about what I say and you just don't like that do you cos you know the truth is going to be revealed eventually...

Also unlike you I don't need to round up the "old boys network" to stand up for myself like you have to do...

Seems to me you should have stayed away as at least the other numpties round here that like to challenge everything I say can at least put up better arguments than you can...
franko please put down your hang bags remmebr ;-( its me patrick

l see you really love the classic hardware l get that me l love 1200s on oh 2000s
are cool beacuse brought one recently

But dude this can only be good even for x1000 way l see no pr is bad pr or advertising
Sure Barry whoudint want loose all this money if didnt have sound plane hes not insane am sure.

Know am never owned c 64 was more to my motorbikes but way l look at    it
Korens makinbg damm good models these days l buy one they work there cheaper
Than jap ones they work same with all in on pcs

And people want buy modern pc that looks like retro c64 to me it look yuk
But never own a c64 anyway Know looked like 1200 hell yes

And most importanly red or anyone esle has right to have there own opions dont like to see people getting nasty calling names esp the L word please stop
But dude is modorator hes earned some respect by putting in the work u know
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: commodorejohn on April 05, 2011, 01:39:05 AM
Quote from: smerf;628072
The Amiga was probably one of the greatest computers ever made, and I have to say the C64 was pretty neat to, but that was years ago, I am looking for something more up to date that can run the newer games, and at least print out a page of text on me modern day printer. I want a computer that can do something with modern day programming and monitors, without having to spend megabucks.
You have one. It's called "any x86 PC manufactured within the last three years." The problem is that some people want to redefine "C64" and "Amiga" to mean an x86 PC, instead of the specific platforms they actually signify, so that they can make a quick buck off nostalgia from people who don't know better or don't value the names as signifiers of something other than "that computer I used to have."
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:40:16 AM
Red

Because he is NOT a man. He hides on the internet and behind his stupid smilies and gutter euro trash english. thats why.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:41:45 AM
Quote from: Transition;628083
@magnetic @Franko
 
You guys should have a Coke Zero and relax.


Dunno what Magnetics been saying (apart from one post that was quoted) but to be honest at 1:30am here on a cold Tuesday morning this is the best entertainment around... :)

It's unbelievable just how folk can take this all seriously with talk of slander & libel between folk who are totally anonymous to each other sitting half a world apart on a forum for an old computer that hasn't been produced since 94 and it would seem actually take it seriously... :lol:

Me, I think this is a great laugh and kinda like an experiment into the minds of some folk to try and figure out why they would actually believe all this online BS and let it affect their lives so much... :D

Reckon I should write a book about this stuff as it would sure as hell sell well to Psychiatrists and folk in the Mental Health side of things as a study into why some folk cant tell the difference between real life & the internet... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 05, 2011, 01:44:55 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628093
So I guess that means you have finished backpedaling now and will pretend like you never claimed this?

Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who  likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send  anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how  neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(

Or this?

Shame you're not very good at covering your tracks Red, I thought you  actually knew what you were doing when it came to the net, seems I've  learned more about it in less than a year than you have in your entire  life... :D

Why don't you just man up and admit you were lying?
Dude wahat am wondering are those pics real or is that apple ipad they look cool
Am really intrested funny no one talking about them
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 01:45:06 AM
Quote from: Franko;628099
Dunno what Magnetics been saying (apart from one post that was quoted) but to be honest at 1:30am here on a cold Tuesday morning this is the best entertainment around... :)

It's unbelievable just how folk can take this all seriously with talk of slander & libel between folk who are totally anonymous to each other sitting half a world apart on a forum for an old computer that hasn't been produced since 94 and it would seem actually take it seriously... :lol:

Me, I think this is a great laugh and kinda like an experiment into the minds of some folk to try and figure out why they would actually believe all this online BS and let it affect their lives so much... :D

Reckon I should write a book about this stuff as it would sure as hell sell well to Psychiatrists and folk in the Mental Health side of things as a study into why some folk cant tell the difference between real life & the internet... :)

Nice deflection ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:46:00 AM
Quote from: Franko;628099
It's unbelievable just how folk can take this all seriously with talk of slander & libel between folk who are totally anonymous to each other sitting half a world apart on a forum for an old computer that hasn't been produced since 94 and it would seem actually take it seriously... :lol:

Me, I think this is a great laugh and kinda like an experiment into the minds of some folk to try and figure out why they would actually believe all this online BS and let it affect their lives so much... :D

Translated "Of course I was lying, I am a troll!"
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628093
So I guess that means you have finished backpedaling now and will pretend like you never claimed this?

Let's just say after a few anonymous emails I've received by someone who  likes to blab a lot on behalf of CUSA and doesn't know how to send  anonymous emails very well, he has put doubts in my mind about just how  neutral Red really is when it comes to CUSA... :(

Or this?

Shame you're not very good at covering your tracks Red, I thought you  actually knew what you were doing when it came to the net, seems I've  learned more about it in less than a year than you have in your entire  life... :D

Why don't you just man up and admit you were lying?


No backpedaling or lying here mate, why don't you man up and admit Barry bought you out... :)

Noticed you still haven't backed up you claim about me not being Scottish, still waiting for you to try and prove that one...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:50:33 AM
redrumloa

Seriously man what does it take for you guys to ban this nuisance? I mean really what does it take?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:50:44 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;628095
And most importanly red or anyone esle has right to have there own opions dont like to see people getting nasty calling names esp the L word please stop
But dude is modorator hes earned some respect by putting in the work u know


So because he's a mod I have to respect his BS on claiming that I'm not Scottish, don't think so...

Respect is earned not given way just because you have a silly title and after tonights little cwybaby display by Red the chances of me having any respect for him are zilch, zero, nowt...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 05, 2011, 01:52:12 AM
Quote from: Kesa;628103
Nice deflection ;)
Hi am on everones side here
but seriously Red one most level head guys on here always said amiga a hobby thing
Actually used to tick me of cause am the dreamer type
so lets be level headed here think whats going be achived by name calling nothing

Sticks stones may break my bones but whips chains excite me
And no am not going all Mr mosely on ya Fia hehe berrnie took him back
Cause does good job l guess people can make mistakes and be forgiven
it whats makes us human and compasinate
in fact animals and pets forgive us dont they learn from it guys please
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628107
redrumloa

Seriously man what does it take for you guys to ban this nuisance? I mean really what does it take?

Private message Pyromania or Transition and ask them to take action if you wish. Historically mods have left this action up to the webmaster except in extreme situations.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: haywirepc on April 05, 2011, 01:55:41 AM
Wow I think you all need to smoke a big fat bowl of some hawaiian hydro,
have about 15 beers each and relax.
 
In the meantime I have some questions some of you may be able to help me with... That USED to be what this site was good for. Will post elsewhere.

Steven
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: SysAdmin on April 05, 2011, 01:56:27 AM
@Franko
 
Red can't be bought off by anyone else. We already bought him off with a lifetime supply of this.
 
http://www.cafepress.com/amizilla.9875668
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: magnetic on April 05, 2011, 01:58:05 AM
Red

I have already done so to both Pyro and Transition.. no action taken. This was when Franko and Retro both threatened physical harm on me. So threatening members, talking sh8t to mods, spam posting, thread hijacking, etc so i guess not possible to get banned here?

This euro trash is single handedly destroying aorg and you guys are just letting him
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 01:58:06 AM
Quote from: Transition;628114
@Franko
 
Red can't be bought off by anyone else. We already bought him off with a lifetime supply of this.
 
http://www.cafepress.com/amizilla.9875668


You know something, I can actually believe that one... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 01:59:03 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628115
Red

I have already done so to both Pyro and Transition.. no action taken. This was when Franko and Retro both threatened physical harm on me. So threatening members, talking sh8t to mods, spam posting, thread hijacking, etc so i guess not possible to get banned here?

This euro trash is single handedly destroying aorg and you guys are just letting him
(http://www.tofinotime.com/articles/A-T904-13-barnacle-penis.jpg)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 01:59:16 AM
Quote from: actung_bab;628102
Dude wahat am wondering are those pics real or is that apple ipad they look cool
Am really intrested funny no one talking about them

The pics are real as far as I can tell. I don't have any information myself except that the pictures were dropped in my lap so to speak by Commodore USA, not iContain. It is my understanding that the pictures were meant to be a teaser and more information will be released soon.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: actung_bab on April 05, 2011, 02:02:05 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628107
redrumloa

Seriously man what does it take for you guys to ban this nuisance? I mean really what does it take?
Dude read between the lines

Franko all right my book am irish blood in my vanes and british manchester

franko like got the irish they used to make up jokes about themselves being dumb
in best tradintions being good at the gab taling keeping people entertianed
Dude he gave people free subscribtions here and activley promotes his love of amiga
Helps people wi9th there hard ware problems and u asking for to be banned

Ld rahter people called me idiot than be ignored so guess and feel franko the same
but dont mistake that for he got no respect for himself or take out on him because think easy target thats just wrong

I firmly belive if you got nothing good to say about somone say nothing
if turn out to be no good the usually trip themselve up and be liike night day plain as your face to everone no need to for public flogging or stockade here
besides tomotos to yummy to waste hehe
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 02:02:39 AM
Quote from: Transition;628114
@Franko
 
Red can't be bought off by anyone else. We already bought him off with a lifetime supply of this.
 
http://www.cafepress.com/amizilla.9875668

Those will go well with my official Amiga.org staff shirt I got in 2003. My wife loves when I mow the yard in nothing but that thong and the AO staff shirt:roflmao:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 02:04:38 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628119
The pics are real as far as I can tell.

Yes, a barnacle has the biggest penis proportional to its size of any animal.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 05, 2011, 02:07:03 AM
Quote from: magnetic;628107
redrumloa

Seriously man what does it take for you guys to ban this nuisance? I mean really what does it take?


Hi,

@magnetic,

Two bags of popcorn and a coke.

Hey compared to what we are paying for on cable TV today

Franko's show is the best show running on your internet cable, and the best part is it is free.

It's a mad, mad, mad, mad world

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 02:07:59 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;628123
Yes, a barnacle has the biggest penis proportional to its size of any animal.


And a Hamster has the biggest balls... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 02:09:01 AM
Quote from: Franko;628126
And a Hamster has the biggest balls... ;)

Hamster's are all veg?  poor little blighters.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: number6 on April 05, 2011, 02:13:00 AM
@Transition

Page hits for the term "Disney" other than the topic itself are getting very scarce.
On the bright side, however, you can just cut the last 5 or 10 pages and have enough material for a new Disney film.

#6
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 02:17:39 AM
@ Smerf

Time for an interlude... (need to make a cuppa)

(Spencer Tracy rulez... :D)

[youtube]VH4nVMJEopU[/youtube]
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 05, 2011, 02:22:57 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628067
In other (semantically correct) words, not verified.



Actually, I'm just taking a stance against the personal insult-fest this thread is fast becoming. Red can stick up for himself, though he should know better than to fall for goading.

There really is no need to get this bloody personal about it all.

My advice to both of you - go away and do whatever it is you do to relax.

Oh, and screw you guys, I'm going... to bed

Hi,

@ Karlos,

Chicken

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: smerf on April 05, 2011, 02:29:31 AM
Quote from: Franko;628132
@ Smerf

Time for an interlude... (need to make a cuppa)

(Spencer Tracy rulez... :D)

[youtube]VH4nVMJEopU[/youtube]


@Franko,

totally

smerf
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 02:31:38 AM
Quote from: dammy;627263
Question is, what are you going to do, have old Fido stuffed so he can sit in his corner for the rest of eternity? Oh, and no new dog(s), they would just remind you of Fido.  


Not my cup of tea, but to some that's a legitimate solution. And who's to judge them? Another option would be to bread and harvest the natural lineage. Fido grand children so to speak.

Quote
 History repeats itself, now it's a new generation of Amigas.  We have an adjustment coming up and depending on what COS turns out to be, might be easier to accept or more difficult, time will tell.


Really no it isn't. It's just another clone. And there is no adjustment necessary. It's not difficult at all. We're all completely well versed (and completely bored) with clones already.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 02:39:24 AM
Quote from: Iggy;627379
Good thing you're not a moderator then.


Fearful then? I'd not think the same of you.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 02:44:21 AM
Quote from: Argo;627470
Oddly, the world didn't end when Commodore introduced the Colt. Think of it like that.


Commodore did soon after though.... kidding... just kidding

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 02:55:17 AM
Quote from: dammy;627700
There will be a app store to purchase C64 software.  I suspect it won't take too long before new games/apps to appear after it's opening.  


Now are you talking classic 64 stuff also, or just nextgen 64? Because that would be a cool idea.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 03:07:01 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628141
Fearful then? I'd not think the same of you.

Plaz

?...I don't get that.

But I am slowly changing my mind. Maybe the mods do need to step in on crap like this.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Kesa on April 05, 2011, 03:26:14 AM
Quote from: Iggy;628146
?...I don't get that.

But I am slowly changing my mind. Maybe the mods do need to step in on crap like this.

I agree with that. As far as i can tell there is only one active moderator - Karlos. The others like Argo, Red, Transition, Pyro and maybe Silverdragon don't really step up when needed. So maybe Amiga.org could use some new moderators :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 03:28:03 AM
I'd be a mod - I'd just ban the crap out of the lot of ya, BOFH style. :lol:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 03:32:11 AM
Quote from: Iggy;628146
?...I don't get that.
But I am slowly changing my mind. Maybe the mods do need to step in on crap like this.


Step in on what? Things you don't understand? You won't find a single post, comment or opinion by me on this site that shows I'm any thing but fair and honest without bias for anyone. But hey, it's now the new Amiga.org. So pick a side and start flinging the insults.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 03:36:08 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;628150
I'd be a mod - I'd just ban the crap out of the lot of ya, BOFH style. :lol:


Eh, don't do me any favors.  :lol:

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 03:39:43 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628151
Step in on what? Things you don't understand? You won't find a single post, comment or opinion by me on this site that shows I'm any thing but fair and honest without bias for anyone. But hey, it's now the new Amiga.org. So pick a side and start flinging the insults.

Plaz

No Plaz,
You misinterpret my comment. It was not directed at you.
And all your comments generally are fair handed (and I love the AMX).

What I meant was the crap in this thread.
I think kesa got what I meant.
This thread is likely to top 500 post by tonight and its only a few days old.

Its a monster that needs to die.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Argo on April 05, 2011, 03:45:49 AM
Did someone ask for a Mod to step in?  
I've got a Banhammer and I'm not afraid to use it!
:hammer::hammer::hammer:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 03:47:25 AM
Quote from: Argo;628159
Did someone ask for a Mod to step in?  
I've got a Banhammer and I'm not afraid to use it!
:hammer::hammer::hammer:

For gawds sake man, put the big lock & key on this thread before the universe implodes and me squirrels will have no one left to feed em... :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 03:47:50 AM
Quote from: Iggy;628154
What I meant was the crap in this thread.

[youtube]KrQxQPG8JdE[/youtube]
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 03:51:41 AM
"If it's not Scottish it's crap!"

Yeah! Something that's actually funny!
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 05, 2011, 03:53:20 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;628162
[youtube]KrQxQPG8JdE[/youtube]


God! I can see why that was cut.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 03:55:04 AM
Quote from: Iggy;628154
No Plaz,
You misinterpret my comment. It was not directed at you.
And all your comments generally are fair handed (and I love the AMX).

What I meant was the crap in this thread.
I think kesa got what I meant.
This thread is likely to top 500 post by tonight and its only a few days old.

Its a monster that needs to die.


Thanks for that. And sorry if I'm a bit prickly. I'll admit I'm treading lightly through this mine field of a thread and did mistake your meaning as coming down on me instead of the thread after the mod comment and the follow up. Big hug then? ... eh, didn't think so. :)

P.S. My Jav/AMX project looks nothing like my avatar, but I'm working on it. Anyone up for a ride around 2013? :P

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 05, 2011, 03:57:03 AM
Quote from: Darrin;628169
God! I can see why that was cut.

Yeah - Mike was not on his A game that night and Walken does a terrible scots accent.

BUT it was the perfect analogue to this thread - this clip was about 6 minutes too long
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 03:58:00 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628170
Thanks for that. And sorry if I'm a bit prickly. I'll admit I'm treading lightly through this mine field of a thread and did mistake your meaning as coming down on me instead of the thread after the mod comment and the follow up. Big hug then? ... eh, didn't think so. :)

P.S. My Jav/AMX project looks nothing like my avatar, but I'm working on it. Anyone up for a ride around 2013? :P

Plaz


Totally off topic, but I'd pay for a ride in that. I still kick myself in the ass for not being able to purchase a two seat AMX that was up for sale near my home a few years ago. The owner was only asking $10,000.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 04:02:23 AM
Quote from: digitex;627860
Here's my personal Commodore/Amiga story.


Ok, out of all your posts I like this one the best. It kind of offsets the other with cracks about therapists. T-shirt line was good, but we know how t-shirt deals normally work out around here.

Hey, I'm going to be in Florida next month. Any chance I might stop by? Incurable geek curiosity.

Sorry about all the rapid fire replies everyone. Go away for a day and get waaay behind.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 04:06:49 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628178
Hey, I'm going to be in Florida next month. Any chance I might stop by? Incurable geek curiosity.

As long as you can handle the vitriol and libel that comes with having a neutral opinion:crazy:
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Damion on April 05, 2011, 04:07:56 AM
Quote from: Karlos;628053
LOL, it's almost like 2003 again...

Except Paul_Gadd, Samface, Meerschaum, and Seehund were far more interesting (and hilarious) to read :-P


@Franko and Magnetic

Why can't the two of you get a room and shag it out in private?
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Darrin on April 05, 2011, 04:11:48 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;628171
Yeah - Mike was not on his A game that night and Walken does a terrible scots accent.

BUT it was the perfect analogue to this thread - this clip was about 6 minutes too long


It's a shame as I like Mike Myers and Chris Walken, but the "acting" was wooden as hell.  It was like watching a really, really, really bad school play.

Now if you want something funny and Scottish, then look no further than Fat Bastard!  :D
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 04:12:35 AM
Quote from: Damion;628183
@Franko and Magnetic

Why can't the two of you get a room and shag it out in private?


You arrange it mate and I'll gladly meet him... ;)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 04:14:44 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628180
As long as you can handle the vitriol and libel that comes with having a neutral opinion:crazy:

This whole situation has gotten out of control. And your stance is neutral, far more so then mine.
I've switched to a moderately positive position.

And now that Franko's decided to address every post mentioning C=USA, I've decided to mention them in every post.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 04:15:40 AM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;628162
[youtube]KrQxQPG8JdE[/youtube]


Nah... if that really was a Scottish shop he'd never have given away free haggis and the change he give the customers would be on a piece of elastic, plus where's all the wee neds who hang about outside such shops drinking bucky and mugging the tourists... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 04:29:17 AM
Quote from: Franko;628188
Nah... if that really was a Scottish shop he'd never have given away free haggis and the change he give the customers would be on a piece of elastic, plus where's all the wee neds who hang about outside such shops drinking bucky and mugging the tourists... :)

And you can understand what both of them are saying. Definitely not Scottish.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Franko on April 05, 2011, 04:32:13 AM
Quote from: Iggy;628197
And you can understand what both of them are saying. Definitely not Scottish.


True, plus they weren't using enough insults and swear words to be truly Scottish... :)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Plaz on April 05, 2011, 04:36:16 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628180
As long as you can handle the vitriol and libel that comes with having a neutral opinion:crazy:


Well I've got to be confusing plenty already. Curious to go see an operation putting out a product I've already called a boring clone.

I'm interested to know what comes after though. As much as I'm underwhelmed with a x86 that looks like a 64.... Barry's is surely thinking a few steps ahead. Curiouser and Curiouser.

Plaz
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 04:40:19 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628201
Well I've got to be confusing plenty already. Curious to go see an operation putting out a product I've already called a boring clone.

I'm interested to know what comes after though. As much as I'm underwhelmed with a x86 that looks like a 64.... Barry's is surely thinking a few steps ahead. Curiouser and Curiouser.

Plaz

I sure hope so, 'cause I seen people putting these micro sized X86 boards in A500, A600, and A1200 cases for years so its not that original an idea.
That's one of the main uses for an Amiga to USB keyboard adapter.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 04:52:10 AM
Quote from: Plaz;628201
I'm interested to know what comes after though. As much as I'm underwhelmed with a x86 that looks like a 64.... Barry's is surely thinking a few steps ahead. Curiouser and Curiouser.

I'm waiting to see pricing and final specs myself. The initial specs I have seen were underwhelming. The hinted at price I have seen is on the high side. Not a great combination, we will see. Specs can be thin if the price is aggressive or price can be moderately higher if the specs have improved. Regardless if the case/keyboard is indeed available separately for a reasonable price I may get one.

BTW if you have any free time in South FL give me a shout. If I don't happen to be eating puppies I'll buy you a coffee or Coke Zero or something:)
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: EDanaII on April 05, 2011, 05:00:54 AM
Quote from: WolfToTheMoon;627382
Strange since Hyperion seems to be managing that with a lot smaller resources. OK, maybe I haven't shown the best example in favor of that strategy :)


Don't mistake me for a Hyperion supporter, their strategy is just as baffling as C=USA's... Where we have C=USA delivering a product few Amigan's can call an Amiga, we have Hyperion producing a product few Amigans can afford. Net affect: an Amiga-like platform goes nowhere.
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Iggy on April 05, 2011, 05:11:47 AM
Quote from: redrumloa;628208
If I don't happen to be eating puppies I'll buy you a coffee or Coke Zero or something:)

Puppies and Coke Zero! I knew it! Is this the official diet of secret C=USA moles? It is! Admit it!

Quote from: EDanaII;628212
Don't mistake me for a Hyperion supporter, their  strategy is just as baffling as C=USA's... Where we have C=USA  delivering a product few Amigan's can call an Amiga, we have Hyperion  producing a product few Amigans can afford. Net affect: an Amiga-like  platform goes nowhere.

So buy an Apple, and to quote the film xdellusion mentioned earlier tonight "Join Us" (MorphOS that is).
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: Argo on April 05, 2011, 05:12:18 AM
This is the thread that never ends
Yes it goes on and on my friend.
Some people started posting ,
Not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue posting it forever just because...
Title: Re: CommodoreUSA Partners with Disney
Post by: redrumloa on April 05, 2011, 05:19:46 AM
TRON/Commodore 64 commercial (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/2289-commodore-c64x-launches-april-5th-2011-at-midnight-eastern-usa?lang=en#2305)
 (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/2289-commodore-c64x-launches-april-5th-2011-at-midnight-eastern-usa?lang=en#2305)