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Title: Which mac to get
Post by: jj on July 02, 2010, 11:40:10 AM
Hi
 
Could somone tell me which mac is the best to get for morph os.  is it the 1.5ghz Mini ?  would order of preferenece be
 
1) mac mini 1.5gh
2) slower mac min
3) fastest emac
 
Thanks
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: som99 on July 02, 2010, 12:15:57 PM
Quote from: JJ;568570
Hi
 
Could somone tell me which mac is the best to get for morph os.  is it the 1.5ghz Mini ?  would order of preferenece be
 
1) mac mini 1.5gh
2) slower mac min
3) fastest emac
 
Thanks


Clearly the the 1,5GHz Mac with 64MB Video RAM, I think the extra video RAM is more important then having 2GB system RAM as the eMac can have.

Other then that benchmarks show that all Mac Mini G4 models beats the eMac 1,25GHz.
Tho not by much, but a little, then also it has a good form factor dosen't it?

So if you got the money I say go for a 1,5GHz Mini or any Mini. Or else get a eMac and remove the CRT.

EDIT: Since you wrote "3) fastest emac" I must clarify that ONLY the 1,25GHz model of the eMac works with MorphOS! No other eMac works. The first version got Nvidia gfx chipset, the other 2 models got unsupported ati versions.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: jj on July 02, 2010, 12:23:33 PM
Ok what's the best places to get mac minis from in the uk apart from ebay.  They seem to be going for £150 , would rather find a cheaper source if anyone knows one.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: RMK305 on July 02, 2010, 01:14:39 PM
Yes, £150 for the lower spec models!
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: som99 on July 02, 2010, 01:21:44 PM
I was lucky to get my 1,42GHz Mini for 95£ :)
Just keep looking at your local paper and ebay and youll find one some day :)
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: haywirepc on July 02, 2010, 01:21:58 PM
I'd really like to get an emac and tear it apart and put it in a custom painted morphos case and do the mod so I can use a flatscreen, but I also just like the idea of leaving it alone. Its a nice all in one really. I'm leaning emac because its alot cheaper and also because then I don't need another monitor speakers and so on...
 
I really doubt the difference between 1.25ghz and 1.5ghz will matter much. Does the video memory really make a big difference in general
day to day use performance?
 
Steven
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: som99 on July 02, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;568578
I'd really like to get an emac and tear it apart and put it in a custom painted morphos case and do the mod so I can use a flatscreen, but I also just like the idea of leaving it alone. Its a nice all in one really. I'm leaning emac because its alot cheaper and also because then I don't need another monitor speakers and so on...
 
I really doubt the difference between 1.25ghz and 1.5ghz will matter much. Does the video memory really make a big difference in general
day to day use performance?
 
Steven


Well the Mini got a built in speaker to ;) Nothing fancy tho ^^
If I where you I would go for custom eMac case, seems fun and a eMac with CRT takes up so much space!
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: koaftder on July 02, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
Does anybody know how to jack the volume up on the eMac w/ MorphOS? I've tried all the settings I know about but it's still half the volume that you hear with that "bong" sound it makes when you turn the machine on.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Debaser on July 02, 2010, 04:23:02 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;568578
I'd really like to get an emac and tear it apart and put it in a custom painted morphos case and do the mod so I can use a flatscreen, but I also just like the idea of leaving it alone. Its a nice all in one really. I'm leaning emac because its alot cheaper and also because then I don't need another monitor speakers and so on...
 
I really doubt the difference between 1.25ghz and 1.5ghz will matter much. Does the video memory really make a big difference in general
day to day use performance?
 
Steven


The US cost of the used eMacs may allow you to pick up 2 if you look hard enough.. One to Mod and one to use :) Don't register the mod until the work is done. Red is about to snag a stack of them from a school for instance.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Iggy on July 02, 2010, 11:01:15 PM
Remember, the only currently supported Emac is the 1,25Ghz version with Radeon 9200 graphics.
Emacs vary depending on whether they're unit marketed to the public or for education.
You need both these specs to run MorphOS correctly.
And they are much cheaper than Mac Minis.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: sackboybedfredamiga1995 on July 03, 2010, 01:08:52 AM
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Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: tone007 on July 03, 2010, 01:09:52 AM
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+1.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: koaftder on July 03, 2010, 03:15:53 AM
Quote from: sackboybedfredamiga1995;568679
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Damn, I missed it. Was it anything lulz worthy?
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Matt_H on July 03, 2010, 03:25:22 AM
Quote from: koaftder;568697
Damn, I missed it. Was it anything lulz worthy?


Yeah, I'm curious, too! :)

As to your sound question, have you learned about MorphOS's Mixer yet? It's in WBStartup by default. There's also the Volume sbar module (right click the screendepth gadget in the upper right of the Workbench screen to enable it).
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: koaftder on July 03, 2010, 03:47:53 AM
Quote from: Matt_H;568698
Yeah, I'm curious, too! :)

As to your sound question, have you learned about MorphOS's Mixer yet? It's in WBStartup by default. There's also the Volume sbar module (right click the screendepth gadget in the upper right of the Workbench screen to enable it).

I've tried the mixer app, the sbar volume control and the two setting apps in the setup. Nothing gets the audio jacked up :( It's so low I have to put my face up near the unit to hear it well. Maybe there is some open firmware trick I can do to mess with it? I'm learning the ropes with the SDK, i think one of the first apps I'm going to write for MorphOS is something to tweak the particulars of that machine, like being able to change briteness/contract, invoke the degauss, etc.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Matt_H on July 03, 2010, 04:20:13 AM
@ koaftder

Strange issue. I wonder if it's something to do with hardware vs. software volume control? I remember seeing a bit about this when support for the Mini first came about. How are your volume settings under OSX? And AHI under MorphOS?

Something else I just thought of: purge the PRAM.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: RMK305 on July 03, 2010, 06:53:49 PM
Are there issues with the voulume of Mac Minis still?
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: pVC on July 03, 2010, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: RMK305;568803
Are there issues with the voulume of Mac Minis still?


Not that I'd know. There's software volume control now and it works on my two minis just fine. And if I don't have speakers attached, internal speaker works here.

Startup sound volume can be controlled at least from OSX side with StartupSound.prefPane program... I've set it muted and it works even if you don't have OSX installed anymore.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: jj on July 07, 2010, 11:36:58 AM
Will any G$ mac mini work with morphos, like the 1.25ghz version or do the older version have unsposrted hardware.  Is it only the 1.42 and the silent uopgrade ones that work?
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Piru on July 07, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: JJ;569335
Will any G$ mac mini work with morphos?

All Mac Mini G4s work.
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: jj on July 07, 2010, 11:56:15 AM
good news .  How easy hard is it to upgrade slower models with a bett GPU, memory , CPU, hard drive.
 
The 1.42 and 1.5ght versions are going for nearly £200 on ebay at moment.  Would it be worth buying a 1.25ghz version and upgrading in future.
 
Anyone using the slower versions, will I notice the diffference, should I bite the bullett and just but the silent upgrade version ?
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: Piru on July 07, 2010, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: JJ;569337
How easy hard is it to upgrade slower models with a bett GPU, memory , CPU, hard drive.
GPU cannot be upgraded (all minis have Radeon 9200). Graphics memory and CPU upgrade require change of the motherboard, however CPU can be overclocked. System memory is easy to upgrade, maximum is 1GB (with single DDR ram stick). Hard drive is easy to upgrade, the maximum is the largest 2.5" PATA drive.

See here for details: Mac mini (PowerPC) Repair Manual (http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Device/Mac_mini_%28PowerPC%29)

Overclocking is covered by this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34069), especially post #10 (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=371126&postcount=10).
Title: Re: Which mac to get
Post by: jj on July 07, 2010, 12:57:43 PM
Thanks for the info.
 
So basically everything is part of the mainboard then ?
 
Think I will hold out then.  May as well get the best I can if I am going to bother.
 
Are wirelss and bluetooth in the pipeline for morphos ?