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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« on: July 13, 2012, 07:06:25 AM »
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For the last few months I've been making sporadic attempts to locate the copyright holder in the Amiga ROMs, with a view to allowing Raspberry Pi users to legally use emulators like UAE. Unfortunately I've met with little success.

Can someone enlighten me as to where the copyrights currently reside?

Eben Upton
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Hi Eben,

I'm a Raspberry Pi user and suggest that you look at (the 68k build of) AROS for Amiga operating system files. Since it's free, open source and unencumbered with Licence issues.

I'm still trying to get an Amiga Emulator to build on my Pi, GLES is cause the most headaches right now. More interesting is a direct compile of AROS for the RasPi, which makes a lot more sense than an OS as heavy as Debian :)

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 02:10:25 PM »
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its neccessary to mention that aros/kickstart 68k although progressing very well, is not yet ready for everyday use. there are still bugs on a ground level, apparently hard to hunt down. but i hope it will be sun a real alternative.
It's far more important to note that Amiga emulation on the Raspberry Pi is much further behind AROS ;)

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 04:28:54 PM »
Why do I get the feeling we've just been (very successfully) Tolled? ;)

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 10:30:54 AM »
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I contacted Petro T. Tyschtschenko the other day and he just got back to me with the following about Amiga IP.


My understanding is that Gateway is the owner.
 
 best regards  Petro T. Tyschtschenko
Yes, this is already known. The question is who owns the copyright of the Amiga Operating System ROMs and libraries :)

(Not that it really matters now we have a 68k version of AROS)

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 12:30:19 PM »
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apparently that isnt always a valid solution for companies. here someone made aros68k run on a coldfire industrial board, but apparently was prohibited even to show demo it on youtube, because of the license which isnt gpl.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36055&forum=17&start=200&viewmode=flat&order=0
 post 214:

post 284 in the same thread contains a link to a video running emutos on the same device instad, which was approved for licensing reasons.

given thats all for real, but it seems so.
AROS public licence is just the Apache Public licence with the relevant terms adjusted for reference to AROS... But I guess not a lot of people know that :-/

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2013, 11:49:36 PM »
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Hi Guys, First post!!


That's all  good until you want to include it in a free legitimate distribution.

It's  discouraging to see this wasn't resolved :(
I have approached Colanto via  email regarding a license for Kickstart v1.3
for an App Store (iOS)  distribution of UAE bound to a single licensed game disk.

There is an app  in there now called "Defender Of The Crown",
which initially got me excited,  but further investigation reveals
that it's bundled Kickstart image has been  modified to remove some
Commodore copyright information, suggesting there is  no agreement in place to use it.

Unfortunately, I put too much work into  the project before looking into this.
An App Store distribution is really the  only way any contribution from me can
be demonstrated to the wider Amiga  community, since iOS is my weapon of choice.
It looks like it will be a long time, if ever AROS can run a 68000 Amiga,
and today's mobile platforms are still limited in the type of Amiga they can emulate at speed.

I still have my original  Kickstart chip too :) Pity about the rest of the Amiga it came from !
Cheers, Art.
If you just need the kickstart to boot the emulator, as I assume your game will take over the "hardware" once everything is up... An AROS build should be usable!

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Re: Licensing Kickstart ROMs for Raspberry Pi
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 11:08:49 PM »
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my openpandora emulates the Amiga quite decently (not sure what its like at default 600mhz I'm overclocked to 800mhz), the pi runs at 700mhz as standard and is also overclockable so I imagine if the pandora version of uae was ported to pi (different ARM version) it would be quite usable.
The Pi actually runs on a dynamic clock, between 700Mhz and 1Ghz depending on demand. My newest pi is running stable at 1.1Ghz :)