Amiga in Your very cellphone

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@ bloodline:

I disagree. I do not believe that yet another smartphone application not using any radio will kill the battery.  Batteries are more resistant those days.

My Windows Mobile cell lives for three days.  It is simply not possible to me that UAE would dry it out in an hour... Sometimes I play games and the phone still works for some time.  This standby/active factor is not as demonic as you say.

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@ bloodline:

Yeah, maybe I am not an expert here, but not a newbie either.  Emulators is just another virtual layer on top of the system, that's all I need to now here.  I know some apps are of high voltage consumption.  What you say makes me think all mobile phones / palmtops are mostly made to rest, should any usage happens, they run out of batteries in several minutes.

If I do not know it, this is because I heavily used my all Palmtops, normal (J2ME) cell phones, stuff equipped with Symbian or windows mobile.  I never had such a problem some sustained action causes killing the battery.

But as I said, I am not familiar with mobile emulation (not too many people are there either).  It is simply hard to believe, If I did it and saw it before my very eyes, that would shock me and in turn convince. Fine, thanks for the advice I should not bother.

Alas, how can you explain this
1) three emulators (at least) were made already for mobile devices to imitate Amiga
2) someone must have been using this for real
3) there are many other mobile emulations, except for the Amiga.

Needn't to bother to reply this, all I wanted to point here is my rationale which makes me hard to justify and face the facts you're quoting. I had absolutely NO experience on mobile emulation but used any sorts of emulation on a PC or Mac.  Since those desktop systems are nowadays much better than those of smartphones (incomparable wouldn't be an answer anymore), what you say means both Symbian /WM systems are not as smart as they look (which I am aware of).

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@ bloodline:

Naah, I won't let go.

Check out this.

Why do people bother??  Why is this whole "mobile emulation" idea a topic, still?  I can conclude you're pretty much prejudiced against the whole idea.

I'm trying to get VS.NET to port the PocketUAE source, this will take time since I do not want to have my home bandwidth stuck for some three days.  As I was saying...  I must see it myself.  Also, you said batteries...  But there are some phones which key selling point is resistant batteries!  Rugged models for example.  Also, one can sometimes get a better battery than the one sold with the phone.  There's more, if one switches everything OFF (like in fly mode) and adjusts some screen features like brightness, also, uses headphones instead handsfree...  

I can still see a hope.  Maybe it's because I am a mobile geek as well.

EDIT*  There's one more crucial thing I must have missed somehow.  See WindowsMobile Smartphone is unlike you both guys have, iPAQs so palmtops are now classified as Classic :-).  Classic and Pro devices have a touch screen which consumes much, much more RAM memory and processor (since you wait for more independent events).  So maybe this is the way out...

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Yet another story.

I just found Snes9x UIQ and vSun SNES emulators for Symbian UIQ and s60 respectively.
(hope those links will work)

What do people pay for?  Frustration??
And the latter one is said to work on Nokia 6600... How's that?

I know SNES is not Amiga but... pretty close in terms of functionality, isn't it?

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I just saw today a working version of PocketUAE on some HTC Windows Mobile 6 Pro device.  So it means that it still works.

I wish I had a Professional Windows device to test it on, instead, I'm still thinking of changing the app so that it needs no touchscreen.  It looks as a matter of simple UI handling mapping/change - won't take long as having .NET framework installed.

Eventually a working Smartphone version might be considered as a gadget, but hey - it won't drain my energy to do something for OS4.

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bloodline wrote:

persia wrote:
@DiskDoctor

It's 2009, nothing we do here is of any relevance to the current year, we're not here because of relevance.  I for one think it would be neat to have an Amiga emulator on a mobile.  It would be fun, that's enough.

I second that!

The point I am arguing against is potential for any commercial success from any such venture.

I'd obviously love UAE on my iPhone... but I wouldn't really be able to use it away from a power source, and I would prefer to have the games I use native to the iPhone itself.

Yeah maybe I started the topic with something that goes at the end, or doesn't.

I 199% agree on that working UAE on mobile should be useful, if not, this is just another fancy freak to be shown to your pals at the party.  Maybe I went too far with my claims.  I will try to make a test on my Smartphone, that's all.  If it fails, I will give up this.

Or maybe...  Does Amithlon boot into 1.3 kick??  Maybe that's a shorter path on Linux-powered mobile phones, like Android?

@ bloodline

Please, stick off the iPhone thing!  The market is broader, that's for sure.  And the share seems not following the device's performance.  I love iPhone but as I said here many times, this discussion is about potential, not performance and usability.  

Remember that.

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bloodline wrote:

DiskDoctor wrote:
And the share seems not following the device's performance.  I love iPhone but as I said here many times, this discussion is about potential, not performance and usability.  

Potential for what?

You misunderstood. I meant # of devices present on the market.

This discussion of ours is becoming pointless, also right, the whole mUAE idea doesn't seem much promising but... Hey, one might also say that this whole Amiga thing nowadays has no potential in anything either :-)

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@ bloodline (mostly)

Hi I just saw this in some other amiga forum post.  That's a s60 UAE pure emulation, man!

Fortunately I got this Nokia E65 but damn! Couldn't make it work yet!  S60 Nokia anybody else to test it??

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@ ajlwalker

Could you please give me some clues on how to run it properly?  I spent some time on trying, no result.

I got Nokia E65 s60v3fp2 which is close to your N95 system, maybe less in terms of memory and CPU.  I managed to install the software and placed the kick file.  The point is I cannot make any adf/adz game work, after running emulation the screen goes blank...

EDIT* Can you also provide tests of battery lifetime while on emulation?

Did anybody else manage to try and run it??

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NitrousB wrote:
Edit: make sure your kickstart is 512k in size and not 256k

Thanks for help.

But which one is it anyway?  AF contains two said files:
- amiga-os-130.rom
- amiga-ext-130-cdtv.rom

and neither takes 512K.

Am I supposed to get it on a torrent?  I gues it would be legally justified now :-)

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bloodline wrote:
Just put two 256k files together...

Didn't work.  But I used the 'cat' Mac/Linux command, not sure if this is binary.  That's my first time of merging binary files ever :-)  So is there any sensible way of doing so on Windows?  I just saw an application, trial possible, 50MB... Sick!

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Still doesn't work :-(.  I got together both proper kick files, again, ran an adf game - or just ran the blank UAE.  Black screen all the time.

My mobile has 220 MHz ARM and 50 MB RAM (35 MB free).

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@ ajlwalker

I do get UAE4ALL welcome, by saying blank screen I meant black screen after hitting 'run' actually.

RAM you say... Some time ago I slaughtered all applications that resided in RAM so the phone should be pretty much clean now.  GsmArena says it's 50MB RAM phone, my memory check says '20MB in use, 41MB free' so should work fine according to the respective forum.  And I run it on anything else shut.

BTW I scanned this Symbian forum and found no answer 'xcept those I got here.  Thanks, again.

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@ ajlwalker

Well, that's what I just did:

Mac-Mini:~ martas$ cat amiga-os-130.rom amiga-os-130.rom > kick13.rom
Mac-Mini:~ martas$ cat amiga-os-130.rom amiga-ext-130-cdtv.rom > kick13a.rom
Mac-Mini:~ martas$ cat amiga-ext-130-cdtv.rom amiga-os-130.rom > kick13b.rom

Then I used these on 1 floppy-no music-512 KB settings.  I tested UGH! and Lotus2.

Same.  But how weird!  When this black screen halts I checked the memory - it all turned to take only 1MB which is impossible.  Seems that UAE is not following its emulation routine.  Must be kick then.  BTW the whole case sucks, I think the author should fix it in the next release since AF roms do not work.

I'll get a 512 kick then.  Thanks for advice.

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NitrousB wrote:
I dont think this version is an actual release, i believe he just allowed one forum to release it as a kinda tech/wip demo, i am sure he will fix loads of stuff and release an official build soon.

Yeah, everybody says so.  I don't like this 'beta testing' trend.  Instead of wasting my time, I'm willing to pay for saving it and pay it well.  That's why I hate this open-source 'try really hard and you might eventually get it working' phylosophy.

But to the point.  A friend of mine on the net borrowed me a 512KB kick file.  Now all I got the app crashes on/during boot (grey fading screen).  I might have my firmware updated soon so maybe this will help.