Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?

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Same situation, or almost the same, is on MorphOS / AROS market.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY UNFORGIVABLE!

Your comparison is flawed as the difference is that a few weeks ago I bought a cute 12" iBook G4/1.33Ghz with shipping included for 80€, that's pocket money I can use to "play" with my favourite OS and no wife/gf will complain about that. Do you think spending 80€ is the same as spending 1000, 2000 or 3000€?

If you put in the comparison AROS it's even more favourable for AROS as you can run Windows natively on it to do "serious stuff".

So are we gonna bash them to death, too?

You could but spending 80€ on a toy is not the same as spending 2000€. If you don't own an  x1000 you are validating my point.

I am glad Trevor started the software side on funding RadeonHD driver and LibreOffice. Major stepes once done. Deserves credit there in seeing what AOS needs.

Trevor efforts are important but keep in mind a RadeonHD driver is almost useless without 3D&Video acceleration (read: there's no much noticeable difference in 2D with let's say a R9800).

All in all. I don't think it's bashing, it's frustration from the Amiga community seeing that OS4.x Team is heading their favourite OS to disaster.

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I do intend to do "serious stuff" (which in my job is word processing and excel) in Linux PPC on X1000 so its not fun only. But I do feel joy for its ability to boot AmigaOS, and look forward to see OS 4.2 and beyond using it more and more. Its great Trevor provided proper Linux support.

If I wanted to run Linux I could do it on any x86-64 machine and it would be various times faster and better supported. Most of insteresting software runs on Windows. LinuxPPC would be my last choice if I wanted to run Linux. Even ARM distros are better supported.

So validity is only price? x86 and PPC Mac users back in days must be all mad then :-)

The relationship price/features has always been much better on x86/Mac even brand new because software base and speed compared to competition is superior.

x1000 cpu power is poor compared to nowadays cpus, software is poor too (even if you take into account Linux) and price is too expensive. In contrast, let's say you spent the same quantity on a Mac or PC. speed would be blazing fast, software support would be great and price at least would be balanced to features. Spot the difference? I haven't even talked about boards breaking and finding replacements easily.

Good. I can`t get PPC Macs on such low prices in this part of Europe, where they are still considered fetish and niche hardware. Surely its not the same, but I again do buy one computer.

And spending 2500€ on a slow&rare&expensive board is easier?

Again, why paying 110$ for MorphOS when you had perfectly usable MacOS X or Linux PPC on same hardware

Because for that low price I can have a nice amiga experience easily, it's peanuts compared to 2500€. If I used Amiga OSes as rarely as some OS4 vocal supporters do (heck! some of them don't even use it) I could even live with the 30 minute limit :-D

If Mac hardware was a problem I could rely on AROS or UAE in the worst case.

There's nothing "custom" about x1000 or PPC Macs, these are just standard boards with PPC chip. IMHO Amigas were custom hardware, Dracos, x1000, AmigaOne or PPC Macs were not. BTW: I don't care about using "custom" hardware or not, but there's no single chip specifically designed for x1000 (like Agnus, Denise, Paula or Gary were) so it's quite funny some people insist on calling x1000 "custom hardware".

- using the kind of logic what you are software wise able to do. So you have more for OS then for hardware box. Its different demonstration of logic why I and some people have decided to go X1000 - we will pay sacrifice for hardware price to drive software development, while you kind of did other way around. You payed for OS more then for hardware even it was kind of un-necessary for "serious bussiness"

I don't buy smoke so I pay for using the software I like right now, limited or not, I pay a small quantity of money and I enjoy it right now "as is", without hoping/wishing/dreaming about the future. If MorphOS stopped being developed tomorrow I would still enjoy my machine and my software. And when AROS became more mature I would probably use AROS. But there's nothing fancy about a standard PPC board released in prototype-like numbers sold for a expensive price as a donlge to run one of the incarnations of my favourite OS.

If you set the price so high you reduce the number of possible users and buying more expensive hardware doesn't help. Did AmigaOne SE, XE, uA1, Sam440, Sam460, x1000 help to lower the prices of hardware? no, they didn't. In fact the relationship price/features is much much much worse now than when A1 was released.

Not saying that is a bad strategy since Genesi left - but Hyperion simply did not choose the same. As PPC Macs market slowly dissappears, MorphOS team will need to find next target. I am very glad for SAM 460 port of MorphOS and looking forward to see it at DJ Nicks machine.

Supporting Sam460 is a waste of time if you ask me, I would prefer that effort going to adding more features to the OS.

My own parallel is: I could never afford BlizzardPPC or A4000 back in the days, I am happy that, with much sacrifice, I can afford X1000 now.

"Amigas" (even thought we are talking about an "AmigaONE" and not an "Amiga") were never as expensive as now and never had so poor relationchip between price and features. When Classic miggies were released these had good price/features ratio, it could be better or worse compared to PC/Mac but now it's way far behind.

Just waiting for X1000 to be assembled and shipped, as sig says. Its paid.

Enjoy it, most of people who wants to try out OS4.x can't.

One in all, its a biggest step forward (what A-EON is doing) for AOS4 alone since original port and old A1 board.

In which sense it is different? I see history repeating and the situation is even worse now than with A1 because price is various times more expensive.

Why don`t I feel disaster you are predicting? Making PPC hardware possible, no matter the price, I do see as an achievement, as well as development for it.

Perhaps you are overoptimistic. think about how many classic users you knew and think about how many of them would spend 2500€ let alone 1000€ on Amiga with the available software and the poor features of the OS...

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Oh its quite fancy just because of things mentioned as well as nice Fractal Design case :-) And same, expect extreme small numbers, could e.g. define Pegasos board.

Pegasos was an old PPC board released many years ago that costed half the price of a Mac Mini and offered decent performance playing videos and amiga stuff. It was slow but not as slow as sams or x1000 is compare to competition. There was even a G4 version. It's funn you ask because taking into account all that Sam boards (and its specs and price) you could define Pegasos as "a futuristic computer released almost a decade before of its time" (lol).

Don't you think it's sad that a computer released in prototype-like numbers ten years ago is both faster and cheaper than the ones released now (supposedly) to replace it?

Sam boards are both expensive&slow.

The best solution would be releasing OS4.x for existing Macs PPC (at least powerbook!) for those rare and weird users like me who don't mind using old computers and keeping the releases for those brand new computers OS4 lovers love. Selling 2000 OS4.x PPC Mac version to Amiga users will probably help to fund the development.

PPC is a dead end, it's ok to use it until OS4.x is ported to other architecture but it's a dead end after all and spending time supporting rare&expensive boards won't help to expand OS4 user base nor fund development. They should port it to Mac Mini for example and focus on improving the OS instead of supporting new boards released in a few hundreds.

Anyway I think we are going off topic, I just was explaining that it's not senseless bashing, that most users are angry&sad with Hyperion for their (Not very clever) hardware decissions.

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MorphOS drives firewire stuff correctly with Helios on my Mac Mini, I don't see why it wouldn't work on G5s. As for Bluetooth I don't think I ever used it on Windows/OSX machines.