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Re: Windows 8 Might Suck
« on: March 24, 2012, 11:34:28 PM »
Holy Jesus that guy is annoying.
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Re: Windows 8 Might Suck
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 12:00:25 AM »
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The idea of having an HTML5 OS UX that transends device has great appeal to me.
I'm still not seeing the logic behind this line of thinking. The idea of having a single UI for two radically different input methods is as ridiculous as the idea that a toilet should have a steering wheel and gear shifter.
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Re: Windows 8 Might Suck
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 12:43:46 AM »
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Obviously the App needs to handle the UX based on interface display.  You can't have the big screen experience on a phone device. Unless you have eagle vision and 1mm finger tips but you are thinking in the terms of today's limitations.
But that's exactly what isn't happening here. Windows 8 doesn't provide two different but equally important user interfaces for the two types of devices it's targeting, it provides one tablet-oriented UI and begrudgingly, disdainfully provides only the parts of the old desktop UI they couldn't get away with cutting, on the publically-stated assumption that developers are supposed to port their "desktop" software to Metro, simply because MS says so.

And even if they were trying to build a coherent dual-headed OS, I think it's a fundamentally misguided goal to begin with. Trying to build one program that works identically on two radically different kinds of devices is crazy. Either it's going to be tailored for one and poorly adapted to the other, or it's going to be so abstracted that it's not any good on either. Application design is guided by knowledge of how the user will interact with the program; that's why DOS programs simply aren't designed the way Windows programs are (and why programs that tried to be identical across both DOS and Windows, back in the 3.1 days, sucked at it.) It's not going to lead to a single unbroken user experience, it's going to lead to tablet software that poorly attempts to be desktop software and vice versa.

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Re: Windows 8 Might Suck
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 02:44:04 PM »
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On a positive note, Microsoft can't possibly do worse than what's going on in Linux land as far as desktop environments go.
Heh, true that.

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That is not exactly true, you can avoid metro on windows 8 if you want. On todays hardware that may very much be what you want.
Except that you can't completely avoid Metro (you're still stuck with the stupid-ass tile version of the Start menu, unless you employ a hack.) And more importantly, it has been very clearly stated by MS that Metro is the Official New Direction, and while they've kept "Desktop" functionality for old applications, they expect and encourage developers to get on board with Metro ASAP. Even if I could avoid it now, what's the point in making myself at home on something where the whole entire UI I'm used to and like is now considered to be essentially deprecated?
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Re: Windows 8 Might Suck
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 05:55:52 PM »
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That also brings up a very valid point, though.  Why in hell should I pay the cash to upgrade to Windows 8 if I have zero interest in running anything Metro?  With the Metro crap disabled, it's essentially Win 7 visually.

The answer to that is - I won't.  I have no reason to upgrade to Windows 8 on my desktops, I find Metro atrocious for desktop use, and I wouldn't touch a Windows 8 tablet with a 10 foot pole.  The tablet market is awash with options, and Win8, especially the WoA ones that will be showing up are the least attractive out of all of them.
In fairness, reports are that Win8's internals have undergone a significant refactoring and performance is noticeably better. That would be nice to have, if only the Metro thing weren't going to be such a damn millstone around the neck...
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