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Title: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 01, 2012, 04:25:03 PM
Oh boy.
This is something we've been waiting for:

http://www.morphzone.org/news/1978.html

Hey, takemehomegrandma, that's not even one of the things I can't tell you about.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: pampers on November 01, 2012, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Iggy;713492
Oh boy.
This is something we've been waiting for:

http://www.morphzone.org/news/1978.html

Hey, takemehomegrandma, that's not even one of the things I can't tell you about.

Here you go Jim ;) News on a.org is still waiting for approval.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 01, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
But don't they know? PPC is dead! Dead dead dead dead dead! Aorg members with a clear preference for other architectures keep saying it, so it must be true!
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: pampers on November 01, 2012, 04:57:01 PM
Who are 'they'? ;)

Any way how it can be dead as I can actually power my PPC on and it seems to be working fine :P
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 01, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713495
But don't they know? PPC is dead! Dead dead dead dead dead! Aorg members with a clear preference for other architectures keep saying it, so it must be true!


God damn it. How many times do I have to say it.

You're a bad consumer! Go out and buy !
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: TheBilgeRat on November 01, 2012, 05:07:40 PM
Aren't those the guys with the cooling issues?

Still a screaming machine tho...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 01, 2012, 05:07:50 PM
Quote from: runequester;713498
God damn it. How many times do I have to say it.

You're a bad consumer! Go out and buy !
Oh, how right you are...I'll run right out and purchase a Wii? Or should I save for a WiiU? No, maybe I'll get a 360 or a PS3, then I can run Skyrim! It's just too bad there isn't a console out there to represent PowerPC anymore...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 01, 2012, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;713499
Aren't those the guys with the cooling issues?

Still a screaming machine tho...
As far as I know, only the iMac G5s really suffer from cooling issues, as they wisely crammed a computer with a notoriously warm-running CPU into a flatscreen for style >:/ The Power Mac G5 has plenty of room in the case and multiple large fans, so it moves heat pretty good. Doesn't stop it from being a noisy sumbitch, though.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: glitch on November 01, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
I have a dual G5 2.5GHz that I have been waiting to install MorphOS on when/if it was available.  Yes, it can get quite warm when both CPUs are pushed to the max, but hey, there are benefits... in the winter (here in Canada) it can keep a medium sized room heated a few degrees warmer!
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: XDelusion on November 01, 2012, 05:24:10 PM
This would be awesome! Hopefully I can get back to work and make a donation.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: pampers on November 01, 2012, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: TheBilgeRat;713499
Aren't those the guys with the cooling issues?

Still a screaming machine tho...

Issues were with Early 2005 models with watercooling (leaks etc). The goal machine has no watercooling at all.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 01, 2012, 07:47:06 PM
yeah, I'd be a bit concerned about a liquid cooled machine from 7 years ago, I guess

Quote
Oh, how right you are...I'll run right out and purchase a Wii? Or should I save for a WiiU? No, maybe I'll get a 360 or a PS3, then I can run Skyrim! It's just too bad there isn't a console out there to represent PowerPC anymore...


:laughing:
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 01, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
AmigaDave sold me a 2.5 GHz G5 Power mac awhile ago, so naturally I'm psyched.

BTW - As a teaser, there may be additional announcements made in the future (near/far I have no idea).
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 01, 2012, 08:10:36 PM
Quote from: pampers;713496
Who are 'they'? ;)

Any way how it can be dead as I can actually power my PPC on and it seems to be working fine :P

Their so dead that I keep buying them, trading them, using them.
I've got a second 1.33GHz Xserve processor waiting for me at home (when I get home from work).
And over the weekend I converted three PC video cards for use in Macs under MorphOS for friends.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: haywirepc on November 01, 2012, 09:15:45 PM
YAY. I'm so glad they will do g5 support. I will definitely register morphos if/when the g5 support is working.

g5 will definitely benchmark much faster than amigaone x1000...

Steven:roflmao:
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: XDelusion on November 01, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;713527
YAY. I'm so glad they will do g5 support. I will definitely register morphos if/when the g5 support is working.

g5 will definitely benchmark much faster than amigaone x1000...

Steven:roflmao:



 I don't understand the importance of bench marks between next gen Amiga OS's at this point when there are no killer apps available that depend upon machines with such high resources.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 01, 2012, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;713527
g5 will definitely benchmark much faster than amigaone x1000...
We'll have to see on that one. 2.5GHz vs. 1.8GHz is a fair difference, but the x1000 does have a DDR2-1067 FSB as opposed to the G5's DDR400.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 01, 2012, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713532
We'll have to see on that one. 2.5GHz vs. 1.8GHz is a fair difference, but the x1000 does have a DDR2-1067 FSB as opposed to the G5's DDR400.

I don't think memory bandwidth is going to be enough to give the X1000 an edge.
Currently, when compared to Power mac G4s with 1.8 to 2.0 GHz processors the PA6T does not outperform Freescales older CPUs.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 01, 2012, 10:48:41 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;713529
I don't understand the importance of bench marks between next gen Amiga OS's at this point when there are no killer apps available that depend upon machines with such high resources.

Well X, now I will be able to play back 1080p video. Before I was limited to 720p.
And there's always a use for more power.
What we'll need next are better video cards.
But then, we should have R300 3D drivers soon, and we may even get support for more powerful cards then that.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: haywirepc on November 01, 2012, 11:24:03 PM
x1000 is not outperforming g4 processors... So I doubt g5 won't or can not beat it in benchmarks, we'll see I suppose but it dosn't look good for the 3,000$ x1000 verses a 100$ ebay g5 power mac.... That is quite a huge difference in price as far as performance.

Besides, I just think MorphOS is more highly developed than AOS4, so especially for the money I think its a much more attractive ng option, and I'll definitely be buying/builing a g5 system for morphos as soon as it becomes sure that g5 will be supported.

registered morphos and a nice g5 powermac will be like 250-300$ - sure beats 3,0000$ for a system where the drivers still are not done...

Oh and I'm pretty sure if processor speed was no longer an issue, we'd get some apps that could use the extra horsepower. Thats such a bull**** argument...
In any computer, faster and more resources is ALWAYS better.

Steven
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 12:21:38 AM
I'd quote what you said Steven, but since I agree with you 100% its kind of pointless.
I do think  this will help with MorphOS registrations.
Laptops and now power towers.

I don't know that this will hurt A-eon, as they sell new/powerful equipment.
In fact, if they sold an system similar to the X1000 for MorphOS, I'd still consider spending the extra money.
But, why would you buy an Acube board now?
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: haywirepc on November 02, 2012, 02:36:42 AM
I think it was a brilliant move porting to mac hardware because they are so common, so cheap and you get the added benefit of it running osx, something no acube hardware however crazy expensive can not do.

I have never been a mac fan but the powerpc hw is  now cheap and nice. I suppose having spent so many years running linux, osx never excited me much. Seemed to me to be a bit nicer linux...

I have watched AOS and the hw available, I just can't justify spending so much money for such outdated old tech. a 50$ or 100$ mac is faster, and can also run osx, which is not a huge extra, but to me, having never owned an osx computer, it IS a plus...

I've been saying for awhile if they support g5 I will finally get a good g5 (maybe quad core for use with osx/final cut power pc) and finally register morphOS. Hope the bounty fills fast and they are correct in the timeframe to port to g5... That would be AWESOME. I will contribute to the bounty I suppose...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Matt_H on November 02, 2012, 02:37:46 AM
I think the horsepower of the G5s is less important than the fact that this will open another new avenue for people who want to try MorphOS. It's getting easier and easier to track down a compatible machine.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 02, 2012, 03:33:10 AM
Quote from: Matt_H;713565
It's getting easier and easier to track down a compatible machine.
Now if only they'd suppport TiBooks...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: zylesea on November 02, 2012, 09:17:32 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713570
Now if only they'd suppport TiBooks...

ibook support as well as support for more Powerbooks is under way, since the ADB is no more a prob for the MorphOS Team.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: yakumo9275 on November 02, 2012, 12:50:48 PM
aah sweet. I have a goal machine sitting here under my desk. paid $200 for it.

shame mos wont be able to use the 3gb ram I have in it. I REALLY hope it idles the 2nd cpu into a low power state so its not running full speed doing nothing but getting hot.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: takemehomegrandma on November 02, 2012, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: yakumo9275;713597
I REALLY hope it idles the 2nd cpu into a low power state so its not running full speed doing nothing but getting hot.


Doesn't it do that already on dual-CPU PowerMac G4's?
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 02:26:13 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;713598
Doesn't it do that already on dual-CPU PowerMac G4's?

I'm not sure about that. The interior of my 1.42 FW800 is getting pretty warm.
Since I'm using an R300 based video card (yet another heat generator), I'm planning on switching a single over clocked 1.25 CPU.

And I'm going to see if a G5 will run with only one CPU installed.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Kronos on November 02, 2012, 02:53:38 PM
Not all G4s support idling, AFAIK everything QuickSilver or older completly lacks such features (and the fans aren't SW-controllable either). Not sure bout MDD/FW800s.

But don't dispair, that feature runs quite well on Minis,PowerBooks and iBooks where the only CPU is throttled down to keep the fans quieter when idling. So at worst we would have the 2nd G5 tucking along at 10% of it's max speed where it wouldn't do much damage....
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: pampers on November 02, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713570
Now if only they'd suppport TiBooks...

Here you go sir ;) http://www.geit.de/eng_newsarchive.html
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: yakumo9275 on November 02, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: Iggy;713611
And I'm going to see if a G5 will run with only one CPU installed.


it will run but its not advised, it messes up the openfirmware / fancontrol / thermal control stuff and the machine gets somewhat confused and will try and try and full force temp controls on cpu not there and messes up the one that is there.  I dont know if its osx or openfirmware thats flakey, but when I tested it on my dual g5, it really did not like removing a cpu.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
OK, so removing one CPU is out. Let's hope Bigfoot throttles the unused CPU down.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Fransexy_ on November 02, 2012, 04:38:19 PM
Quote from: haywirepc;713545
it dosn't look good for the 3,000$ x1000 verses a 100$ ebay g5 power mac.... That is quite a huge difference in price as far as performance.


Why people insists of compare prices of new hardware versus used hardware? it's crazy and stupid. it's like compare the price of a old 250 hp car that is cheap versus a new 100 hp new car, sure the later is a bit less powerful and it's more expensive but it is NEW and have NEWER and EFFICIENT technology
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Kronos on November 02, 2012, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: Fransexy_;713639
Why people insists of compare prices of new hardware versus used hardware? it's crazy and stupid. it's like compare the price of a old 250 hp car that is cheap versus a new 100 hp new car, sure the later is a bit less powerful and it's more expensive but it is NEW and have NEWER and EFFICIENT technology


Not if the new car is built around a 6 year old engine (used or not, it's still old tech).
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Fransexy_ on November 02, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
Quote from: Kronos;713641
Not if the new car is built around a 6 year old engine (used or not, it's still old tech).


But the used old car is build around a even older engine ;-)
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 02, 2012, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: zylesea;713583
ibook support as well as support for more Powerbooks is under way, since the ADB is no more a prob for the MorphOS Team.
Well, yay.

(I suppose it's too much to hope for that the PowerBook G3 Lombard I nabbed at the recycle center yesterday would be supported?)
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 05:28:54 PM
New, old, who cares?
Has anyone seen the re-sale value of an old Hemi Charger?
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: XDelusion on November 02, 2012, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: Iggy;713541
Well X, now I will be able to play back 1080p video. Before I was limited to 720p.
And there's always a use for more power.
What we'll need next are better video cards.
But then, we should have R300 3D drivers soon, and we may even get support for more powerful cards then that.



There's a valid point I suppose, though I can't validate purchasing an X1000 at this point just to play Blue Ray quality video on my computer screen. Not that I have any money as it is, but you know...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Fransexy_ on November 02, 2012, 06:09:32 PM
Quote from: Iggy;713648
New, old, who cares?
Has anyone seen the re-sale value of an old Hemi Charger?

ohhh Hemi engine one of the best top ten car engines of all times :-D
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 02, 2012, 06:18:50 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713647
Well, yay.

(I suppose it's too much to hope for that the PowerBook G3 Lombard I nabbed at the recycle center yesterday would be supported?)


I seem to recall from one of the FAQs that they won't support G3s at all.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: runequester;713658
I seem to recall from one of the FAQs that they won't support G3s at all.

Only in Pegasos I and II computers.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 02, 2012, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: runequester;713658
I seem to recall from one of the FAQs that they won't support G3s at all.
Well, yeah, but I thought that had to do with the ADB issue, and that's apparently solved now. (Though I dunno, was ATI as free with documentation on the Rage series chipsets as it was with Radeons? That might be an issue.)

Anyway, it'd just be nice - the Lombard is too slow to run OSX pleasantly, but it should handle an Amiga-derived OS perfectly fine, I'd think...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 02, 2012, 07:04:43 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713661
Well, yeah, but I thought that had to do with the ADB issue, and that's apparently solved now. (Though I dunno, was ATI as free with documentation on the Rage series chipsets as it was with Radeons? That might be an issue.)
 
Anyway, it'd just be nice - the Lombard is too slow to run OSX pleasantly, but it should handle an Amiga-derived OS perfectly fine, I'd think...

As long as there are functional Linux drivers, ATI's unwillingness to divulge isn't that important. But from what I've heard, no, they're not very forthcoming with complete documentation.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: zylesea on November 02, 2012, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713661
Well, yeah, but I thought that had to do with the ADB issue, and that's apparently solved now. (Though I dunno, was ATI as free with documentation on the Rage series chipsets as it was with Radeons? That might be an issue.)

There's an ATI Rage driver for MorphOS included in current release already, albeit for the 128Pro and 2D only (yet).
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 02, 2012, 09:33:15 PM
Hmm. It really would be sweet to be able to put that Lombard to use...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: zylesea on November 02, 2012, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713677
Hmm. It really would be sweet to be able to put that Lombard to use...


400MHz G3 is probably not lightspeedy, but quite okay for many things (beside my two G4s I also own a Peg1 G3/600 and Efika, hence I can estimate the probable speed), a nice thing to play with _if_ it will be supported eventually. I read the Lombard is said to handle up to 512MB RAM, that's sufficient for quite some stuff.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 02, 2012, 10:59:47 PM
Exactly. As I said, even the 400/500MHz Pismo G3 is only just sufficient to run OSX 10.4 and barely handles TenFourFox, but by Amiga standards that's downright luxurious. Add in the fact that these go for a good deal cheaper than the G4s, and I think they'd be perfectly decent MorphOS machines...
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 02, 2012, 11:54:40 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713682
Exactly. As I said, even the 400/500MHz Pismo G3 is only just sufficient to run OSX 10.4 and barely handles TenFourFox, but by Amiga standards that's downright luxurious. Add in the fact that these go for a good deal cheaper than the G4s, and I think they'd be perfectly decent MorphOS machines...


it's somewhere on their website, but basically, it'd make bad impressions of the OS, if people ran it on less than a G4.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Justone on November 02, 2012, 11:58:56 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713682
Exactly. As I said, even the 400/500MHz Pismo G3 is only just sufficient to run OSX 10.4 and barely handles TenFourFox, but by Amiga standards that's downright luxurious. Add in the fact that these go for a good deal cheaper than the G4s, and I think they'd be perfectly decent MorphOS machines...


OWB on Pegasos 2 g3@600 is even worse and forget about youtube it's like watching a slide show.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 03, 2012, 12:29:07 AM
The 3000 euros bounty may take awhile to collect, but AmigaDave has just informed me that he has purchased a G5 Power mac for Mark and that it is on its way to Davids home in California.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: zylesea on November 03, 2012, 12:49:45 AM
Quote from: Justone;713686
OWB on Pegasos 2 g3@600 is even worse and forget about youtube it's like watching a slide show.


Not if you're using a non embedded video replay mode (i.e. overlay full screen playback) - then youtube is fine even on the Peg1 and nearly fine on Efika (the low Ram spoils it more severely there).
Anyway, rich web content requires some cpu power of course. And while I know that the lower spec computers can be pretty useful with MorphOS, I prefer my beefier machines by far.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 03, 2012, 03:50:57 AM
People get too hung up on YouTube anyway. Obviously you're not going to get Blu-Ray playback on a 333/400MHz processor, but that doesn't make the machine useless. And given that I could go on eBay right now and buy a PowerBook G3 and a MorphOS license for about what some people pay for just the PowerBook G4, I really think it might be to their advantage, at least as a starter-system option.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: XDelusion on November 03, 2012, 03:58:29 AM
Quote from: runequester;713684
it's somewhere on their website, but basically, it'd make bad impressions of the OS, if people ran it on less than a G4.



That it would. Granted, a G3 system running classic apps exclusively would be a wonderful ride with MorphOS, heck many MorphOS native apps would still run well, but once you got into web browsing, higher end games and this and that, it would certainly leave a bad taste in one's mouth, at least in this day and age.

 Personally, I think I'd rather go with an Efika with a nice Graphics card with plenty of RAM on it, before I went as low as something like an iMac. My eMac was a nightmare within itself!
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: kedawa on November 03, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
I would never support any sort of bounty for closed source commercial software.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 03, 2012, 05:58:36 AM
Quote from: kedawa;713717
I would never support any sort of bounty for closed source commercial software.
Then you are True Faithful, and the spirit of Richard Stallman shall guide your soul in the afterlife.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 03, 2012, 06:41:49 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;713712
That it would. Granted, a G3 system running classic apps exclusively would be a wonderful ride with MorphOS, heck many MorphOS native apps would still run well, but once you got into web browsing, higher end games and this and that, it would certainly leave a bad taste in one's mouth, at least in this day and age.

 Personally, I think I'd rather go with an Efika with a nice Graphics card with plenty of RAM on it, before I went as low as something like an iMac. My eMac was a nightmare within itself!


Wasnt there issues with the built-in monitor for the emac not being that great? And thats before factoring in a 10 year old CRT lifespan..
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: runequester on November 03, 2012, 06:42:34 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713718
Then you are True Faithful, and the spirit of Richard Stallman shall guide your soul in the afterlife.


Amen comrade!

Im only slightly drunk.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 03, 2012, 07:21:32 AM
Quote from: runequester;713719
Wasnt there issues with the built-in monitor for the emac not being that great? And thats before factoring in a 10 year old CRT lifespan..
Good CRTs can last a lot longer than ten years - I have an IBM EGA monitor coming up on thirty that still works like new - but yes, the eMac is notoriously chintzy. Dark screen, video glitches, bad caps, the works.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: pampers on November 03, 2012, 08:04:38 AM

I have some good news guyz :) I'm copying my post from MorphZone.org:

I have some good news regarding bounty. Thanks to David 'AmigaDave' Morris we will have two models suported. David kindly offered to buy and send PowerMac G5 2.7Ghz - M9749LL/A and he also will spare his own 2.0Ghz model (which was already mentioned in bounty).

As at the first place I was responsible to obtain a G5 for BigFoot my part of 500 euros was paid into the bounty already.

What is more our MorphOS Santa Claus Fraggle said that when bounty reaches 50% he is gonna put in another 50% so we will have bounty completed!

When typing that words we have about 920 euros in bounty already so basically what we need is just 580 euros only! Come one guys, let's make that happen :)
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Kronos on November 03, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
Aren't G3s "oldworld" Macs ? Read Macs that don't use OpenFirmware ?

What kind of GFX chips are utilizied in there ? PCI-ATI-Rage or even more obsolete ?

Sounds like a lot of work for me....


On the other hand:
32MB VMEM MacMini (still much better than anything Rage) go for around 100Euro.
400-800MHz PowerMacs can be had for as little as 40Euro (often less), sure they often also feature an ATI-Rage, but atleast it's AGP and can be easily upgraded to something more sensible.
And finally, the iBook-model Geit demoed both on the last 2 Geit@home and in Bad Bramstedt rarely goes over 100Euro these days (and there is a good chance that some even older/cheaper models will also turn out supported).

Or in short:
G3-Mac-support == total waste of time !
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: commodorejohn on November 03, 2012, 09:14:05 AM
Some G3s are Old World (the Beige Power Mac G3 and G3 All-In-One and pre-Lombard PowerBooks,) but most are Open Firmware. As far as I know, all the New World G3s use ATI Rage-series graphics (except the Blue & White Power Macs, which support a variety of PCI video cards.)

It is true that some MorphOS hardware can be had for a fairly modest price, but 100EUR is still a far cry from what you can get G3 hardware for - I got the Lombard for $10, and again, I could go on eBay and purchase a 400/500MHz Pismo, buy a MorphOS license for it, and total about what a lot of PowerBook G4s go for. I just think it would help lower the barrier-to-entry even further.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 03, 2012, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713730
Some G3s are Old World (the Beige Power Mac G3 and G3 All-In-One and pre-Lombard PowerBooks,) but most are Open Firmware. As far as I know, all the New World G3s use ATI Rage-series graphics (except the Blue & White Power Macs, which support a variety of PCI video cards.)

It is true that some MorphOS hardware can be had for a fairly modest price, but 100EUR is still a far cry from what you can get G3 hardware for - I got the Lombard for $10, and again, I could go on eBay and purchase a 400/500MHz Pismo, buy a MorphOS license for it, and total about what a lot of PowerBook G4s go for. I just think it would help lower the barrier-to-entry even further.

I don't know, John.
I purchased my first MorphOS system, a Power mac Quicksilver for $19.95.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: TheBilgeRat on November 03, 2012, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: commodorejohn;713718
Then you are True Faithful, and the spirit of Richard Stallman shall guide your soul in the afterlife.


Or, in the sphere of reality, a closed source commercial software develops its product then SELLS it in the marketplace, thus determining whether their efforts at development were warranted.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: XDelusion on November 03, 2012, 04:08:01 PM
Quote from: runequester;713719
Wasnt there issues with the built-in monitor for the emac not being that great? And thats before factoring in a 10 year old CRT lifespan..


Yep, aside of only having 32Mb of Video RAM, the monitors began to get darker over time and display less sharp. I had gutted mine and hooked it up to an LCD flat screen, but still, with only 32Mb Video RAM I was limited in what all I could do.
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: Iggy on November 03, 2012, 07:27:13 PM
Well, since Fraggle announced he would match 1500 euros when that was reached, it looks like the bounty is complete.

Hows that for quick?
Title: Re: Bounty for MorphOS port on PowerMac G5
Post by: kd7ota on November 03, 2012, 07:48:28 PM
Quick enough that most Amiga OS4 users will be hurting. :)  They got a broken Firefox port and we will get a working MOS G5 system. :D