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Title: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: dammy on December 29, 2011, 04:26:33 AM
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/11229-commodore-trademark-has-a-new-daddy--#11229

Hope you all invested in the popcorn futures.  2012 is going to be a wild year.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: commodorejohn on December 29, 2011, 04:57:35 AM
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: dammy on December 29, 2011, 05:28:34 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;673347
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


You wished. :rofl:
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: persia on December 29, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
So Barry force the two companies into bankruptcy?  Pretty mean spirited, but I suppose you have to be ruthless in the face of the competition.  Part of why Microsoft was dominant was because of it's ruthlessness.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: Matt_H on December 29, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Quote from: persia;673379
So Barry force the two companies into bankruptcy?  Pretty mean spirited, but I suppose you have to be ruthless in the face of the competition.  Part of why Microsoft was dominant was because of it's ruthlessness.


Well, it's not like those two companies were the pinnacle of business competence. Have they shipped anything in the past 3 years?

I will now resume my position on the sidelines. Not getting involved with this Commodore USA stuff.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: dammy on December 29, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
Quote from: Matt_H;673395
Well, it's not like those two companies were the pinnacle of business competence. Have they shipped anything in the past 3 years?


I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC does an investigation of those now defunct companies.  Oh well, on to bigger and better things under the C= name.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: persia on December 29, 2011, 04:59:22 PM
Unless they had some kind of overseas operation they probably are out of the SEC's jurisdiction...

But I don't begrudge C=USA's use of lawyers to get it's way, the IT industries leaders (Apple & Microsoft) spend the equivalent of a third world country's GDP on Lawyers.  It's all part of the game, and the fact that Barry was able to play the game speaks well for C=USA.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: dammy on December 29, 2011, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: persia;673416
Unless they had some kind of overseas operation they probably are out of the SEC's jurisdiction...


No, they were filing quarterly reports with the SEC, and their stock was on the pink sheet so SEC has some legal authority in this matter.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on March 10, 2012, 05:10:11 AM
Quote from: dammy;673422
No, they were filing quarterly reports with the SEC, and their stock was on the pink sheet so SEC has some legal authority in this matter.



I'll assume it was meant to be humorous when Leo's response to why CUSA is still paying licensing fees if they were "the new daddy" was:

Quote
No, they were announcements on the possibility of announcements not the actual announcements.


source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/5-commodore-amiga-hardware-wishlist-/10991-cusa-commodore-amiga-concept-designs?limit=15&start=270&lang=en#13257)

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on March 27, 2012, 03:05:26 PM
@thread

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C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al


quite a lot of new documents filed (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/trademark-lawsuits/new-york-southern-district-court/89537/c-holdings-b-v-v-asiarim-corporation-et-al/official-court-documents/)

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on April 12, 2012, 03:28:02 PM
@thread

Brief summary, current as of today, posted courtesy Barry Altman:

C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/14029-more-forums-that-welcome-new-commodore?limit=15&start=75&lang=en#14327)

No sooner was this posted than another new document dated yesterday has been posted:

April 11, 2012 (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/trademark-lawsuits/new-york-southern-district-court/89537/c-holdings-b-v-v-asiarim-corporation-et-al/official-court-documents/)

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on July 07, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
@thread

Once again, not all docs are listed on the website the day they are filed, so we have another new onslaught of docs appearing now.
9 new ones since the last appeared in April, but 1 not available electronically.

source (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/trademark-lawsuits/new-york-southern-district-court/89537/c-holdings-b-v-v-asiarim-corporation-et-al/official-court-documents/)

Enjoy!

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: persia on July 07, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
(http://bit.ly/Ne5oFN)(http://bit.ly/Ne5oFN)(http://bit.ly/Ne5oFN)(http://bit.ly/Ne5oFN)
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: vox on August 14, 2012, 08:52:07 PM
Quote from: number6;699341
@thread

Once again, not all docs are listed on the website the day they are filed, so we have another new onslaught of docs appearing now.
9 new ones since the last appeared in April, but 1 not available electronically.

source (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/trademark-lawsuits/new-york-southern-district-court/89537/c-holdings-b-v-v-asiarim-corporation-et-al/official-court-documents/)

Enjoy!

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So who owns what now?
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: Optimus on December 27, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Anyone know what happened with this?
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: Darrin on December 28, 2012, 06:41:01 PM
Quote from: Optimus;720477
Anyone know what happened with this?


My guess is that someone with delusions of grandeur got a reality check.  ;)
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on April 18, 2013, 05:50:09 PM
@thread

the new circus comes to town (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28292&forum=17&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#704610)

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: TheBilgeRat on April 18, 2013, 05:56:49 PM
Quote from: number6;732288
@thread

the new circus comes to town (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28292&forum=17&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#704610)

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But what does it all mean, Basil?

(http://www.solarnavigator.net/films_movies_actors/film_images/Austin_Danger_Powers_Mike_Myers.jpg)
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on April 18, 2013, 06:50:11 PM
@TheBilgeRat

I just discovered this most recent lawsuit, so it will take some time to gather any facts.

But logically, something does not add up here to me.

This is, in effect a counter suit directed at one of the parties involved in fighting over the Commodore parent company. If that suit has not been settled, I just wonder why Leadgate S.A. is filing solely against the plaintiff.

The other mystery is the fact that Asiarim based its last gasp chance for revenue on a relationship with CommodoreUSA. Without that relationship, they've got squat.
Why then is more money being poured into this battle and new participants coming to join the fray?

Logic would say a new unnamed player is on the scene or something similar, but that's merely speculation. After all, they've been fighting over nothing for eons. But either way that proves to me that although forum posts from users see little value to branding, the big players still do.

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: CritAnime on April 19, 2013, 01:09:13 AM
I have posted on AW.net about my views on this. But just so people can see I will post a summery.
 
Leadgate S.A. looks to be a investment consortium. But this might shed light on it. http://uruguaybr.com/2012/06/16/leadgate-turns-in-its-shares-of-flag-air-carrier-pluna-and-leaves-behind-301-5-million-usd-in-debt/
 
Now working for a bank a while back I dealt with collecting debt owed by buisnesses. From my pespective it would appear that regarldess of initial investment been returned there is probably some form of outstanding debt, ?interest ?admin fees, and they are now chasing for it.
Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on January 02, 2014, 11:32:36 PM
Quote from: CritAnime;732313
I have posted on AW.net about my views on this. But just so people can see I will post a summery.
 
Leadgate S.A. looks to be a investment consortium. But this might shed light on it. http://uruguaybr.com/2012/06/16/leadgate-turns-in-its-shares-of-flag-air-carrier-pluna-and-leaves-behind-301-5-million-usd-in-debt/
 
Now working for a bank a while back I dealt with collecting debt owed by buisnesses. From my pespective it would appear that regarldess of initial investment been returned there is probably some form of outstanding debt, ?interest ?admin fees, and they are now chasing for it.



Indeed C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy.

Source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28292&forum=17&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#725850)

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Title: Re: C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy
Post by: number6 on January 22, 2014, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: number6;756077
Indeed C= Trade Mark Has A New Daddy.

Source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28292&forum=17&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#725850)

#6



Trademark has passed opposition period and is now registered:

with links (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=28292&forum=17&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#727251)

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