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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« on: August 24, 2012, 08:19:26 PM »
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Tablet = laptop - keyboard - useful OS - freedom of choice in software - hard drive. Yeah, that's innovation.

Actually, it is.  It's 95% of what people want to do in a simplified, easier to use, more reliable, and less expensive package.  That's innovation.  Bigger is not always better.
 
 
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Ahh, "the cloud," that magical invention of magic wherein your data ascends to a higher plane of existence, free from the toil and suffering of this physical world, to a Gnostic sort of heaven where it is freed from the corruption of the flesh forever and exists in a transcendent state of Pure Mind. Come one, come all, to the Temple of the Cloud, to speak with your data through the Spirit Links!

What's that? You say that it's not absolved of its physical nature? That it has been spirited away to a data center in Texas? But, but, that's a real place! Things can happen to it there! Why, if the Internet weren't faster than a hard drive, there wouldn't be any advantage at all to "the cloud!"

Actually, data hosted in a true cloud is not at any single data center - the data exists in many so that no single data center failure would cause a disruption.  
 
"The Cloud" may just be a buzzword, but the reality of what it is and its advantages cannot be ignored.  Taking a photo on your phone, then going home and picking up your tablet and having it be there - that's cool, and that's made possible by "The Cloud".  
 
"The Cloud" has made it easy for everyday people to have instant access to their email, contacts, calendar, etc. - from multiple devices, all in sync.  Update your calendar on your phone and come home and your PC will have the appointment as well - all without syncing via cable.  
 
"The Cloud" has allowed people to backup their important data to an off-site location with ease.  People who probably never would have backed their data up before because they can't be bothered with manually backing up their data, swapping hard drives, taking a copy off-site, etc.
 
Are their downsides?  Sure.  Hey - I'm old school too.  I like to know where my data is, I like having my backup in my hands so I know it's safe.  But the reality is "The Cloud" has brought us so many capabilities that make technology so much more useful it's not even funny.
 
 
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Simple: I look beyond current sales figures, not relying on the assumption that things will continue forever as they have for the last two years (in which case tablet sales would outpace global population growth by something like 25x,) and consider the ultimate long-term usefulness of the thing: it is no more capable than a laptop (typically less,) not very much cheaper, and typically a worse deal in terms of power-for-money. Its sole advantage is that it's lighter, which laptops are continually working towards anyway. Eventually they will reach a saturation point of "light enough," and tablets will have no more advantages left, Q.E.D.

It may not be more capable than a laptop, but it's a heck of a lot more convenient.  My notebook sits on a shelf 99% of the time since I purchased my iPad.  The reality is that most things I want to do on my notebook I can do so much more effortlessly on my tablet.  I can browse the web in bed, or while eating lunch, or while taking a crap if I'd like.  ;)  They're instant on - so easy to pick up, tap my email icon, and read my email than grabbing my notebook, waiting for it to come out of sleep mode, opening Outlook, waiting for it to sync, etc.  
 
The lack of a keyboard sometimes stinks, but to be honest if I need to do some real work I go to my office where I have a nice keyboard, nice mouse, and dual screens.  We'll have to wait and see how Microsoft's tablet with cover/keyboard works out, but personally I don't like typing on my notebook keyboard much more than typing on my tablet's on-screen keyboard.

For me, and for many people, notebooks are getting squished between tablets/smartphones and desktop PCs.  I don't see the desktop PC going anywhere anytime soon, though people are keeping them longer and the new customer growth potential is not there so new sales growth will suffer.  People are buying tablets for their kids instead of PCs, and the family shares a PC.  I do see the notebook market shrinking as tablets advance.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 10:51:18 PM »
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SSDs work just fine, yes - except that they're many times more expensive per megabyte. People brag about 64GB tablets - ooh, wow, that's over half of what my low-end laptop I purchased three and a half years ago came with!

Reality is most people don't need the kind of storage larger HDDs are touting today. Some do, yes, but I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people have less than 100GB of data on their home PCs and less than 50GB on their office PCs. 128GB SSDs are well under $100 now, and dropping like a rock.
 
 
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And if you're worrying about it surviving being thrown across the room, drive technology is not your chief problem.

I've dropped my smartphone and tablet countless times, and with a decent case your screen is protected - I've never broken mine. Now, if it wasn't solid state it would be a different story.
 
 
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"It's 95% of what people want to do" because that's what Apple told people they wanted. Nobody was clamoring for a device that did less for more money per GB/GHz. Bigger is not always better, but a device doesn't have to be big to be full-featured.

Uhh, no. 95% of what most people want to do is web browsing, email, calendar, contacts, games. All covered by a tablet or smartphone.
 
 
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Yes, The Cloud frees mankind from the tyranny of Cables. And, you know, leaves you stuck depending on wifi and/or cell reception, which as we all know is omnipresent, cheaper and faster than cables, and completely reliable. BEHOLD THE FUTURE.

It's more than just cables, though that is a major reason. Do you know how many people I deal with that haven't synced their smartphones in months, then lose them? All data lost. With a cloud sync that isn't an issue. I want my calendar synced instantly so my co-workers can see my schedule - I don't want to have to wait until I get back to the office and manually sync via cable. Plus many more reasons.
 
 
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Yes, it's now easy to back up your data - because copying files to another drive was totally arcane and unfathomable, and commercial backup software totally didn't exist. Now you can back up your data over a slower connection to a service that can freely mine your data as it sees fit and probably stipulates that in its license so you can't complain about it, and is open to the Internet so a mildly clever hacker can get to it! That's progress!

Actually, yeah it is. Yes, for some people copying data between drives, rotating the drives, and keeping one somewhere off-site is a big deal. Connection speed for most is not a big deal because once the initial backup is done only changed data is sent across the wire. I hear of people losing external hard drives, flash drives and smartphones all the time. I can't say I've ever heard of a decent online backup service getting hacked (like Mozy). And no, keep your tin foil in the drawer - they won't mine your data.
 
 
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As can I, with my laptop - and I can type a response, on a real keyboard, without needing a third-party peripheral.

I could take my desktop to bed too, but that wouldn't be very practical. I could also carry around my notebook all day but the reality is a tablet is far more convenient.
 
 
 
Honestly it seems like you've simply reached that age where you "don't need any of that new fangled technology". Hope that never happens to me.
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 11:23:03 PM »
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I had to check wether this was Amiga.org or OldDuffers.org, it's funny how fans of a computer that changed the world 25 years ago now piss and moan about tablets, the most transformative innovation in the computer world in the last two decades.
 
Wake up and smell the coffee, if there even is a netbook market in 2015 it'll be lumped in the "other" category as statistically irrelevant.

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 11:47:24 PM »
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I don't understand why people are in such a rush to become dependant on a network and cloud services that they don't actually need. The idea of having to pay for data access so that I can get my files to my device from the 'cloud' is just absurd to me. Give me enough space to store everything I need so I don't need to get gouged by the telcos when I want to listen to an mp3 on the bus.

Who says they're in a rush and paying for it? I'm not sure if there's big money in pay cloud services right now, outside of the corporate market maybe. Services like iCloud are offered free of charge - value adds.
 
 
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You want to talk about convenience? Why can't these devices sync wirelessly to my home server directly instead of using some dubious online service? I'll tell you why: greedy tech companies want to monetize things that are currently free.

They can! Just build the software and infrastructure. I sync all my devices with my own Exchange server. I can't see a reason why someone couldn't build an app to sync data elsewhere, you just have to write the software to do it.
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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2012, 11:15:12 AM »
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iCloud is free for 5GB, the smallest device is 16GB so if you backup to that, it pretty much takes up that space now you want to share photos between your iPhone and iPad and Mac thats more space. Documents, more space. Music, more space. Apple knows most users will run out of 5GB quickly and need more. The 'free' part of iCloud is the free hit of the bong to get you hooked.

True there is a 5GB limit for the free account, but it's important to note that any iTunes content (music, movies, apps, etc.) do not count towards that total - they are backed up for free regardless.  You can also pick and choose which content you want to backup.  For most people what's most important is camera data (photos and videos).  I have to say, of all the people I know with iPhones and using iCloud, I don't know anyone paying for it.
 

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Re: Any news on future release of OS4 netbook or on Natami?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2012, 01:11:41 AM »
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Not sure iTunes content is "backed up" in iCloud. You can redownload all of your purchases through iTunes anytime on any device you use your account on. This was a change from earlier days of iTunes where you lost it all and could not redownload if you didn't back it up and started after Amazon started sellign MP3s and like with their books kept track of what you bought so you could get it again anytime and they also dont count purchases toward your cloud storage.

Not sure what happens on the back end, but Apple says "You get unlimited  free storage for purchased music, movies, TV shows, apps and books".  Of course they may simply be linking to the store copy of the purchase - would make sense.  Why store the same movie over and over again for thousands or millions of users?  That would be awfully innefficient.
 
 
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Ultimatly we all know, Apple (and Amazon and the rest) want you to pay monthly for more storage as a continuous income stream.  

Absolutely!  They are in business to make a profit.