Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

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If you know the Cloanto guys then can you ask them about having HDF images and a version of their WB3.x that will run on real Amigas?  After all, they don't have to advertise them as "for real Amigas" because they can market them as "for use in UAE configurations" (I create my Minimig HDFs on AmigaForever and I've made one for the FPGA Arcade too).

How did you get on trying AROS68k?

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I'm on a business trip at the moment, so I'm stuck in a hotel in New Mexico with no Amiga in sight.  I should be home in 3-5 weeks and I'll give it a whirl then.

That's a monager Business Trip! What on earth do you do? Secret Rock Star?

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I don't hide when I do something. I find the no-piracy TOS part of amiga.org important and I ask the admins to enforce when it is violated. But that is all I did.

greets,
Staf.

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Some points:

1. I would like little more than to see Amiga Inc. F'ked over.

BUT

2. The TOS of this site clearly state "No Warez", and we have all abided by these rules for over 10 years!
3. Cloanto have done nothing wrong.
4. Cloanto have helped the Amiga community far more than Franko and his extremely selfish, "If I don't care, it doesn't matter" attitude.
5. The "Copyright Police" as they are being refered to in this thread, are probably the last people to actually contribute anything to the Amiga platform.

I have to say I think Franko is being a -=Moderated=-, he could have worked with Cloanto and figured out how to resolve this (as I have stated many times already), but no, he decides to use the very method that he criticised C=USA for using.

Why are you being such a-=Moderated=-? Eh?

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@Franko

Oh?! You seem offended?! Yet state no reason why...

And I'm not sure why you think it is Cloanto's responsibility to come to you about your IP theft, they have a publicly available statement that details what actions they are obligated to take.

If you want to illegally distribute IP for which they have a licence, then it is your responsibility to contact them if you feel it is within your rights to steal this IP. I have stated on numerous occasions what you need to do.

You choose to take the course of action which you have made great pains to express your displeasure over, regarding Commodore USA... I don't ask for much, but some consistency would be nice.

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Gawd... you really are an anus aint you... or can't you read very well... :rolleyes:

Cloanto do not own the copyrights to Workbench nor do they have the power to issue/sell/give away/gift/ or out of the goodness of their hearts allow anyone to obtain distribution rights to Workbench... :rolleyes:

So why the frig would I contact them in the first place when the question has nothing to do with them whatsoever... :rolleyes:

Are you really this dumb or do you get up early and practice... :lol:

How do you know what rights Cloanto have regarding the AmigaOS IP? Have you asked them, oh, no wait you didn't bother... Bit rich calling others dumb...

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An interesting read. At the very least, it lets us know (in the absence of Cloanto having ever made any posts in this thread) that they're very, very sorry:
or, more              regrettably, it could escalate all the way to the ISP and to              local computer crime authorities. When this happens, we consider this a              failure, and we feel very badly about this.
See, Franko? They feel really bad about it.
We believe that ROM and operating system piracy hurt emulation. Please consider what happened to so many emulators     for other systems,
You mean the emulators that are now free and unmolested because companies without such a burr up their ass realized it wasn't actually the end of the world? Has this page been updated since 1997?
It does not cost much to     ask
but you may never get any reply at all, in which case you should avoid ever taking any action, even if you have to wait until the end of time.

Do they? They don't distribute Workbench disk images for actual Amiga hardware, nor are they licensed to do so. What possible investment could they have in this?

And Franko didn't bother to ask them, as they have requested in their FAQ... Have you contacted them?

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@ commodorejohn

I've been over that site many times now and it never fails to make me laugh...


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You just don't get it do you... sigh...

Obviously not! While I'm struggling to understand, I simply don't!

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They don't have the rights to it! Why would you contact them?

They DO have rights to it, and that appears to be the problem most people have with them!

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Well...

(a) my join date was Mar 2010;
(b) I am much more active over on EAB (same username), but have been reading Amiga.org as well more lately;
(c) I have commented a few times on this thread because I find what you are doing very interesting. In fact in my first post in this thread I stated :

I admit I have become a little less sympathetic in your demonisation of Cloanto, but I still respect that you are trying to get to the bottom of a very murky copyright maze, and I hope we all have a little more clarity as a result of what you're doing.

So I'm not really sure why you're getting personal with me...



I've read that email from MediaFire again (with Cloanto's email pasted in), and it reads to me that they are saying:
(a) they claim your ADFs infringe on (at least) three US copyrights which are either owned by, or licensed to, them;
(b) they claim that your ADFs ALSO infringe on their 'Workbench' trademark.

In the other stuff you copy-and-pasted (at 10:52am today) it only talks about two specific copyrights, and doesn't mention trademarks, granted.

But it's not true that in the e-mail you've just re-pasted now (at 11:40am) that they only refer to their 'Workbench' trademark.

Anyway, will watch with interest as to what happens next...

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Totally agree, the old Operating systems should have been released for free years ago. But I don't see why attacking Cloanto for providing a legal route to get them makes them a bad company!

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Hey you forgot me! Certainly Cloanto must be paying me or something because I don't agree with you.

He also forgot to include C=USA!