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Offline duga

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #75 on: March 29, 2016, 09:07:41 PM »
@Cass: that would be great!
 

Offline utri007

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2016, 10:35:05 AM »
Quote from: Cass;806513
@amigakit

Is there a PCI-e adaptor for Sam440 planed to be sold from your store? Compatible GFX cards to fit this mobo-adaptor combination (it would be ideal, if sold as a bundle)?


Sam 440ep (flex) has a problem

1. Radeon HD 7XXX cards doesn't work. Requires uboot update.
2. Radeon HD 5XXX-6XXX does work, but there is no 3D support for those cards.
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Offline Iggy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2016, 02:13:44 PM »
Quote from: Cass;806513
@amigakit

Is there a PCI-e adaptor for Sam440 planed to be sold from your store? Compatible GFX cards to fit this mobo-adaptor combination (it would be ideal, if sold as a bundle)?


Those adapters exist, but see above post.
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Offline Dandy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2016, 10:50:42 AM »
Quote from: eliyahu;806156




Introducing Warp3D Nova
Shader based 3D graphics are finally a reality!
...
Requirements

  • AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition or newer
  • A supported Southern Island* series graphics card with GDDR5 RAM

- Radeon HD 7750-7970 series
- Radeon R5 230/235/235x
- Radeon R7 250x/265 series
- Radeon R9 270/270x/280/280x

(*Not compatible with HD7790 or Southern Island graphics cards with DDR3 RAM)
...


Some questions:

- Does the requirement "AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition or newer" include the AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition for PPC equipped classic Amigas as well?

- If so, do I understand you correctly that I would have to throw my Voodoo4 PCI out for one of the mentioned Radeons, in order to be able to use Warp3D Nova?

- Do the mentioned Radeons work with my old Mediator, or would they even require the new 3V version of the Mediator?

- Is a CSPPC in a classic A4000 sufficient at all for the daily use of Warp3D Nova, or does it only make sense with NG Amiga hardware?

- What software can currently take advantage of Warp3D Nova?
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2016, 11:02:13 AM »
forget it..
 

Offline Dandy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2016, 12:29:10 PM »
@ wawrzon:

Quote from: wawrzon;815644


forget it..



It would be nice to know to whom and to what you're replying.

Not just you personally, but all posters here who have this bad habit of replying without indicating to whom and to what they're replying.

Is it really too demanding for you to put an "@ xyz:" at the beginning of a posting/reply or simply to use the "Quote"-button?
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Offline utri007

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2016, 01:12:05 PM »
@ Dandy

Is possible to use Radeon HD7XXX cards with mediator?

I think that Warp3D Nova doesn't wotrk with Mediator, because you can't get Radeon HD 7XXX cards work with it.
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Offline wawrzon

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2016, 02:04:26 PM »
Quote from: Dandy;815645
@ wawrzon:



It would be nice to know to whom and to what you're replying.

Not just you personally, but all posters here who have this bad habit of replying without indicating to whom and to what they're replying.

Is it really too demanding for you to put an "@ xyz:" at the beginning of a posting/reply or simply to use the "Quote"-button?


to you. isnt it obvious, that the post references the one just above if there is no quote?

and isnt it obvious that you cannot fit a pci-e card into the mediator, when there is no appropriate slot?
you can of course be first to try, even if it would require adapter over adapter over adapter just to prove that the driver doesnt work nevertheless, but according to your posts im not sure if the system you are planning to use is stable enough to deliver dependable results.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »
Quote from: utri007;815647
@ Dandy

Is possible to use Radeon HD7XXX cards with mediator?

I think that Warp3D Nova doesn't wotrk with Mediator, because you can't get Radeon HD 7XXX cards work with it.


i doubt. mediator interfaces through zorro to the amiga which interfaces then via cpu or expansions slot to the turbo board. the effective bandwidth is 7mb/s. addressing the graphics card is tricky and seldom anything else than voodoo3 or radeon 92xx is used. even if the card attached via a pci-pci-e adapter would be recognized, which is a task almost impossible to imagine even for a skilled geek, the bandwidth makes it completely senseless for any more complex 3d usage i fear.

however similar applies to older amigaone (NO X), pegasos and sam440 computers, so it isnt that tragic for us.
 

Offline F1Lupo

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #84 on: October 24, 2016, 06:50:19 PM »
Quote from: utri007;815647
@ Dandy

Is possible to use Radeon HD7XXX cards with mediator?

I think that Warp3D Nova doesn't wotrk with Mediator, because you can't get Radeon HD 7XXX cards work with it.

I had a hell of a time getting my Radeon 9250 and heck any other card working ok with my mediator so I'll be surprised if it does work but happy if it does :)
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Offline Dandy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2016, 10:15:16 AM »
Quote from: wawrzon;815648


to you. isnt it obvious, that the post references the one just above if there is no quote?



I saw this as one possibility among others.
But to be sure I think it would be the better way to principally use the "Quote"-button or to begin a posting with "@ xyz:"...

Quote from: wawrzon;815648


and isnt it obvious that you cannot fit a pci-e card into the mediator, when there is no appropriate slot?



Well, it's also obvious that you cannot plug an SCSI-II device into an UW-SCSI cable - unless you use a suitable ADAPTER...

Quote from: wawrzon;815648


you can of course be first to try, even if it would require adapter over adapter over Adapter...



That sounds familiar!
If I e.g. copied a file from my internal HD to an SD-memory card (or the other way round), the path of the data looked like this:

IDE-HD<->UW-adapter<->CSPPC with UW-SCSI hostADAPTER<->Amiga mobo<->Zorro III busboard<->Mediator PCI busboard<->Spider II USB2.0 host ADAPTER<->USB hub<->USB card reader<->SD-memory card.

(OK - meanwhile the path is shorter, as I exchanged the PCI Spider II for a  Deneb in a Zorro III slot)

Adapters everywhere!!!
:eek:  :D

Quote from: wawrzon;815648


just to prove that the driver doesnt work nevertheless, ...



That would be really bad luck after all the effort of finding and fitting all the required adapters...
:biglaugh:

But I would nevertheless expect the driver (in the case at hand the driver for a new, supported Radeon graca) to work with the graca, despite "all the adapters" - like copying data from my internal HD to an SD-memory card works in the example above - despite all the 'adapters'...

Quote from: wawrzon;815648


but according to your posts im not sure if the system you are planning to use is stable enough to deliver dependable results.



I'm not PLANNING to use a certain system, I'm already using it since I built it back in 1997/98.

Aside from current booting problems due to contact issues in the connector between CSPPC and the A4k mobo, the system ran stable since I built it.

I was just wondering if I could take advantage of the new Warp3D Nova with this given system - and to what extend.

And what I possibly might have to change in my given system, in order to be technically (harwarewise) able to  capitalise on the new Warp3D Nova...
« Last Edit: October 25, 2016, 10:26:35 AM by Dandy »
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Offline Rob

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2016, 07:46:00 PM »
Quote from: wawrzon;815649
i doubt. mediator interfaces through zorro to the amiga which interfaces then via cpu or expansions slot to the turbo board. the effective bandwidth is 7mb/s. addressing the graphics card is tricky and seldom anything else than voodoo3 or radeon 92xx is used. even if the card attached via a pci-pci-e adapter would be recognized, which is a task almost impossible to imagine even for a skilled geek, the bandwidth makes it completely senseless for any more complex 3d usage i fear.

however similar applies to older amigaone (NO X), pegasos and sam440 computers, so it isnt that tragic for us.


The current CPUs available for 68k Amigas are a major bottleneck too.  Pre loading textures can alleviate bandwidth limitations but obviously there's only so far you can go with about 7MB/s, and the returns diminish pretty quickly.  It still felt like my 210Mhz BPPC was the bottleneck back in the day.

No one I know of has tried even a HD2400 in the Mediator so we don't know if PCIe cards work or not.  If it ever becomes necessary due to a lack of availability of older cards then I'm sure Elbox would update the pci.library to support PCIe cards sitting behind a bridge.  

Version 11 was released in July.

The pci.library ver. 11.0 includes new procedure for allocation of the PCI memory. New procedure allows faster computer start when the multi-device PCI cards are used (e.g. Spider USB controller). New pci.library gives the possibility to reallocate (free and allocate) PCI spaces from the driver for the specific PCI card. It is useful in case of PCI cards, which do not report their PCI spaces typically (e.g. some PCI processor bridges).

I believe the last bit meant that you no longer needed a patched pci.library to use WarpOS for Sonnet, it could also mean tha PCIe cards are already recognized.

X1xx0 and HD series cards work in the Eyetech A1s but nobody seems to have tested anything as high as a R7 etc.
Sam440 can use upto HD6xx0 cards but nobody confirmed or denied if the recent uboot update allows cards supported in Nova to work or not.  Only the Pegasos 2 is confirmed not to work with any PCIe cards.
 

Offline Dandy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2016, 07:17:22 AM »
@ Rob - #87:

Quote

Original by Rob:

The current CPUs available for 68k Amigas are a major bottleneck too.
...



As you're just talking about 'bottlenecks' in 68k cpus - does anyone here have a reasonable explanation why the CyberstormPPC only allows the use of 128 mB RAM?

According to 'Vintage Box': MC68060 tech. details (German only), the Motorola MC68060 CPU can directly address up to 4gB memory.

So what is the problem (aside from missing slots for more RAM chips) to add more RAM to a CSPPC?
I always thought 128mB is too little RAM for such a system...
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Offline Rotzloeffel

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2016, 01:34:24 PM »
Quote from: Dandy;815678
So what is the problem (aside from missing slots for more RAM chips) to add more RAM to a CSPPC?
I always thought 128mB is too little RAM for such a system...

It is because of the Memory-Map of the A3000/4000....

$0400 0000 - $07FF FFFF         Motherboard Fast RAM

$0800 0000 - $0FFF FFFF    Coprocessor Slot Expansion

$1000 0000 - $7FFF FFFF      Zorro III Expansion

so only 128 MB Ram are adressable to the Processor-Slot :(
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Offline Dandy

Re: Introducing Warp3D Nova for AmigaOS 4.1
« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2016, 09:29:43 AM »
Quote from: Rotzloeffel;815692


It is because of the Memory-Map of the A3000/4000....

$0400 0000 - $07FF FFFF         Motherboard Fast RAM

$0800 0000 - $0FFF FFFF    Coprocessor Slot Expansion

$1000 0000 - $7FFF FFFF      Zorro III Expansion

so only 128 MB Ram are adressable to the Processor-Slot :(




Hmmm - difficult to believe.

Aside from 2 mB CHIP RAM, I do not use the adress space for the mobo ram at all, as I have my 128 mB of 64 bit ram on the CSPPC.
Does the CSPPC count as "Coprocessor Slot Expansion"?

It is really hard to believe that just 128 mB out of the 4096 mB of RAM the 060 can directly address are left for real, physical RAM...

It means that 3968 mB are reserved for the "Memory-Map of the A3000/4000", right?
:confused:  

And this is "hard wired" and cannot be changed?
:shocked:

No way to use unused parts of this "Memory-Map of the A3000/4000" for real, physical RAM?

Bummer - that's really disappointing...
:(
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