C-A Acquisition Corp. vs. Hyperion Ent.

[kolla]

Yes, 3.2 is now in the same legal swamp that has prevented updates for OS4 for years, where the individual developers who hold the rights to their individual components (or blocks of code, shrug) depend on Hyperion to organize OS releases.

In my view, as customer and user, Cloanto is the better choice as Mike has stated he will open the OS as much as possible, including open sourcing as much of it as possible, which (for example) would allow merging AROS and Amiga OS code where it makes sense to do so, and a common source tree for anyone to contribute to. Current developers with their individual copyrights can then make their own choices if they wish to participate and contribute, or if they wish to continue their current project with what they have.

[kolla]

Blablabla... which part of “as much as possible” is so hard to understand?
It would be quite possible for them to open source the bits and pieces they have full ownership over.

[kolla]

At least Cloanto has said they will look into these options - Hyperion not at all.

Regarding the licenses you mention, what did those old right holders get from the current development? What saying did they have in the so called transfer of rights (not really!) to Hyperion? Did William Hawes give his thumbs up for continued development of RexxMast?

[kolla]

I for one would certainly not continue developing AmigaOS if Cloanto was involved.

That would be a nice bonus

[kolla]

@Gulliver
So you’re saying that if Cloanto takes over, not only will Minious vanish, but he will take Reaction with him?

Even better!

I find it rather ironic that seemingly half the OS team now, are old pirates and hack&patch pushers...

[kolla]

(And by hack&patch, I don’t mean Haage & Partner - I mean hacks and patches)

[kolla]

Of course he isn't saying that. It would remain part of the OS. I don't own the rights to ReAction.

It was never really part of the OS, it was always an additional package on top of the OS. I say that as someone who has been running OS3.9 without Reaction on 68000 systems for more than a decade. And from what I have read so far, even 3.2 will work perfectly fine without Reaction classes. Reaction is what people find “bloated” and “slow” with OS 3.5/3.9.

[kolla]

I know perfectly well that Reaction is little more than a collection of third party boopsi classes, previously known as ClassAct, this is all well known. Bundling them with the OS doesn’t really change this much. The more you bundle into the OS, the more you need to coordinate, and the slower everything will go - this exactly the problem that OS4 has been struggling with, and now this mess is brought to OS3 as well.

[kolla]

@Gulliver
Oh please, it’s Minuous, he will not go anywhere. Cloanto winning in court will not stop him, instead he will go back to “boingbagging” his so called unofficial updates, hacks and patches. As will you. And Cloanto will do exactly nothing to stop him, or you.

Unlike Hyperion.

Which is the point.

[kolla]

And Minious has been treating people badly for years... decades...

[kolla]

Apparently, the ReAction classes themselves are a “backport”.

Will resource.library make a return as well?

[kolla]

Unlike Hyperion.

Err, whom is Hyperion exactly stopping?

Context is such a beast, nice of you to leave it out entirely.

For sake of argument, let us assume that Cloanto wins in court, and that ownership of OS3.1 source code etc. ends up at Cloanto. As you have mentioned, this does _not_ necessarily mean that everything that has been shipped with OS 3.1.4 will be owned by Cloanto, and it certainly does not mean the Reaction classes will be owned by Cloanto and chances are high that Hyperion will continue to own the Reaction classes.

You have written that what you will do, is to talk and wiggle your way to continue the development of OS3 further.

But for Minuous this is not an option as it would mean "signing up with Cloanto", his decades long nemesis - too much camel meat to swallow.

So he would just quit, he says, but I am not sure I believe that he would. If history is anything to go by, he would continue on his own, copyrights and NDAs be damned.

And it would not be Cloanto's copyrights and NDAs he would be breaching by pushing on with Reaction classes for OS3, it would be Hyperions.

[kolla]

Treating who badly how? When I disagree about I try to stick to the issues rather than launch personal attacks, unlike yourself. You've already been banned at other sites for such.

You are aware that this site has a search engine, and that one can look up all the posts of a user through the statistics? Just saying.

And no, I was not been banned anywhere for launching personal attacks - banned from EAB yes, because (quote DamienD)

derailing / trolling every single Vampire / OS 3.1.4 / numerous other threads for many months

At apollo-core.com I am not banned, just prevented from posting until I send them a copy of an ID card, passport or similar - something I would never do. The reason for this is accusations of using several accounts for trolling. And they all know this is false, as I have never tried to hide my IP address, several of the team members know me also from Facebook and elsewhere. It's all just ridiculous, so F them.

Interesting to observe certain apollo team member "liking" just about all posts here where Thomas is answering me - attempted sycophantry?

[kolla]

What is your motivation to work for a commercial entity for free?

He has about 20 years of "Reaction is the standard!!111" to fulfil - he is _the only one_ who can be bothered to actually do it, and he will do it for anything and anyone.
Except, perhaps, for Cloanto. Because he also has 20 years of "Cloanto is evil!!!1111" to fulfil.

[kolla]

I'll code a mui app in his honour.

Or better yet, code some "native" OS3 program using your own custom native BOOPSI classes.