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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: TheGoose on March 31, 2010, 02:44:48 PM
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I am advocating for a better 800 x 600 screen mode for people who have an AGA / ECS Indivision. Why? because the one you get by using the old Amiga modes ( think this super hi res something ) does not upscale through the Indivision hardware well.
800x600 gives a good size screen but will be noticeably more responsive then the HighGfx mode of 1024x768. Wondering if any one else has come to this conclusion, need for a better 800x600 screen mode.
Could the HighGfx driver be modified? Other ideas?
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Isn't there a Super72 screenmode at 800x600 that works on an Indivision? I've tried some (there are many versions on Aminet) and none worked for me, but I remember someonespoke about it.
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Isn't there a Super72 screenmode at 800x600 that works on an Indivision? I've tried some (there are many versions on Aminet) and none worked for me, but I remember someonespoke about it.
Yeah, that's the one I mean, It does not work very well here...
Most anything does, Multiscan, DblNTSC, etc.
Have you tried it?
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I think there are many of us who want a better 800x600, and from what I have read elsewhere, this is targeted for the nest update :-)
I have tried 800x600 with Super72, but I only managed to get about the same resolution as 1024x768, only with huge black borders.
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kolla:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=654912&postcount=675
but it depends on individual computers to include such a mode to the next firmware.
just like xtreme ... :-S
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kolla:
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=654912&postcount=675
but it depends on individual computers to include such a mode to the next firmware.
just like xtreme ... :-S
Hmmm great, I love it when my problems are already solved by smart people.
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I've been eagerly awaiting the 1280x1024 and 800x600 drivers since Ratte first told us it was possible. Let's hope we can finally use them with the next firmware update, bring it on!
Also, I'd love to see an OCS/ECS Amiga running in 800x600 in 16 colours, it can look quite nice and modern with a good palette and a small selection of visual enhancement patches on Workbench.
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Why not use a pal hi res PAL interlaced with overscan? Gets pretty close to 800x 600, and the Indi will scan double the interlace ans should be quick too?
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The Super72 is already a 31Khz (or close) screen so the Indivision is probably just letting it pass through. It also explains why it gets slow.
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Hey Ratte, how is this going? Will we ever be able to use this wonderful 800x600 mode on our Indivision AGAs and ECSs?
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Does anyone know how to get the SuperPlus? Just bought an ECS indivision, hoping I could use 800x600 8bit, can't seem to get anything working, HighGFX, Super72, etc?
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Hey Goose,
How does the HighGfx on the Indivision mode compare to running DblNTSC
on a regular RGB-VGA adaptor speed wise?. I remember DblNTSC being slower
on an 030/AGA but it was fine for Octamed and programs that let you choose screen modes.
I am advocating for a better 800 x 600 screen mode for people who have an AGA / ECS Indivision. Why? because the one you get by using the old Amiga modes ( think this super hi res something ) does not upscale through the Indivision hardware well.
800x600 gives a good size screen but will be noticeably more responsive then the HighGfx mode of 1024x768. Wondering if any one else has come to this conclusion, need for a better 800x600 screen mode.
Could the HighGfx driver be modified? Other ideas?
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HighGFX is pretty quick, especially when you're running FBlit. Here is a video of me running some programs on Workbench on an A1200 030/50 in 1024x768 HighGFX mode:
[YOUTUBE]j72NjheWP-A[/YOUTUBE]
Sorry there's no sound, YouTube couldn't recognize any of the audio codecs I tried using when I uploaded the video three times in a row trying to get it to work.
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Ratte is the author of the SuperPlus monitor driver V40.2 that is a new monitor driver, which is a work in progress. It features a new ECS/AGA Driver with 800x600 70ns mode, and is about 70% faster than Super72 in 256 Colors. It can provide support for ECS at 800x600 in 16 colors out of 4096, and is also interesting for the AGA-chipset, because it uses the "HiRes"-mode with 70ns instead "SuperHiRes" with 35ns pixelclock.
The display-DMA is not that heavy loaded like in Super72 and display operations are faster.
Get it from the Unofficial BoingBag #4 for AmigaOS 3.9 available from http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/Files/BoingBag39-4.lha
BTW if you are wondering, it does work on 3.1 :)
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^^^what about a standalone download?
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HighGFX is pretty quick, especially when you're running FBlit. Here is a video of me running some programs on Workbench on an A1200 030/50 in 1024x768 HighGFX mode
That's impressive. Is that using one of your carefully dithered 16-colour modes?
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That's impressive. Is that using one of your carefully dithered 16-colour modes?
Yeah it sure is. The blurriness of the camera hides the dithering a bit, but it still looks pretty neat for 16 colours, especially at that high resolution. Good thing though is if people think it looks okay, then it should look almost as good in 800x600 on an ECS machine.
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Thanks for posting that. that looks plenty fast for what I'll be doing. I'm about to have my first real A1200 that I've had in a while. I'll have to try out fblit as well.
Yeah it sure is. The blurriness of the camera hides the dithering a bit, but it still looks pretty neat for 16 colours, especially at that high resolution. Good thing though is if people think it looks okay, then it should look almost as good in 800x600 on an ECS machine.
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Thanks for posting that. that looks plenty fast for what I'll be doing. I'm about to have my first real A1200 that I've had in a while. I'll have to try out fblit as well.
Don't forget FScreen and FText too.
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Hey Goose,
How does the HighGfx on the Indivision mode compare to running DblNTSC
on a regular RGB-VGA adaptor speed wise?. I remember DblNTSC being slower
on an 030/AGA but it was fine for Octamed and programs that let you choose screen modes.
Well I will agree with Cammy, HighGfx is plenty usable, and a nice screen. I use 32 or 64 colors for WB. But I think just because DblNTSC is a smaller real-estate, it might be quicker.
BUUUUT , to the topic, 800x600 would be a great screen for the Indivisions. Will we get that when new MKII version comes out you think, Cammy ? Will it work with the older cards?
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I think it's entirely up to Jens if he wants to release the new firmware for everyone or not. I'm sure a lot of people bought Indivisions under the impression that they'd be able to use these 1280x1024 and 800x600 resolutions, but it's been over a year since we've had a firmware update. I'm not really getting my hopes up anymore, it could be a good reason for us all to scrap our Indivision AGA MK Is and buy MK IIs to replace them. (Not that all of us can afford this)
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Let the man breath a while I am sure he will release them. Seems like they have been working 48 hours a day pumping out turbo boards and answering support for 1 month :)
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Don't forget FScreen and FText too.
Weren't they all assimilated into FBlit at some point?
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Yeah it sure is. The blurriness of the camera hides the dithering a bit, but it still looks pretty neat for 16 colours, especially at that high resolution. Good thing though is if people think it looks okay, then it should look almost as good in 800x600 on an ECS machine.
That was snappy for AGA, it has to be said. I used to use a 16-colour mode with CGX-AGA before I got an RTG card (this was on OS 3.5), which basically seemed to do most of what FBlit did but also allowed RTG software that would work with 8-bit screens to run on AGA. It was fairly quick, but your demo there seems snappier than I remember.
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CGX-AGA was also ppc only if I recall correctly ?
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Weren't they all assimilated into FBlit at some point?
FText requires FBlit 3+ to work, you might be thinking of Systempatch as it has similar features.
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CGX-AGA was also ppc only if I recall correctly ?
Nope, but it did come with PPC. There weren't any PPC accelerated functions in there (which was a bit of a disappointment). It did modify the allocation of BitMaps and so on to ensure their cache friendliness.
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SuperPlus is still under development.
IndivisionECS will support it with next coreupdate.
At the moment I am working on the final dualscreenmode.
I am sorry, but I lost some time with the automatic monitorswitch project.
SuperPlus will be finished before I start anything new ...
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4308/1_bild.jpg)
(IndivisionECS w. testcore on 800x600 in 16 colors)
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SuperPlus is still under development.
IndivisionECS will support it with next coreupdate.
At the moment I am working on the final dualscreenmode.
I am sorry, but I lost some time with the automatic monitorswitch project.
SuperPlus will be finished before I start anything new ...
(IndivisionECS w. testcore on 800x600 in 16 colors)
Is that an A1000 in the photo? :cool:
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Seems like the first indivision aga will be abandoned for next fw updates?
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SuperPlus is still under development.
IndivisionECS will support it with next coreupdate.
At the moment I am working on the final dualscreenmode.
I am sorry, but I lost some time with the automatic monitorswitch project.
SuperPlus will be finished before I start anything new ...
Thanks for the update Ratte. Some of us are wondering about the MKI Indivision AGA; will this work benefit those cards? Will we see an 800x600 screen mode?
Great work.
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Thanks Ratte, I just hope Jen doesn't abandon the Mk I's. If we all have to buy the new board may leave a bad after taste
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Is that an A1000 in the photo? :cool:
A1000 with Rejuvenator (Full ECS).
Regarding core-updates for Indivision ECS/AGA.
Please read the related documents with the technical details:
All promised modes are working on ECS&AGA.
(Except DUAL .. i am working on)
Keep in mind, that modes like HD720 and SuperPlus are free AddOne´s, that was never promised to work.
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Awesome work Ratte! Thanks for the picture \o/
I can't wait!
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A1000 with Rejuvenator (Full ECS).
Very nice indeed, me want!!!! :D
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SuperPlus is still under development.
IndivisionECS will support it with next coreupdate.
At the moment I am working on the final dualscreenmode.
I am sorry, but I lost some time with the automatic monitorswitch project.
SuperPlus will be finished before I start anything new ...
Great work Ratte!
...and you didn't loose time by working on the automatic monitor switch.
By dual screen mode you mean having different Amiga RGB out and VGA out, right?
For Indivision ECS only, right? (do to its nature of replicating Denise completely)
Good news for people with genlocks and wanting to do some live video overlays...
BY!
OgniX \8^)
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Thanks for posting that. that looks plenty fast for what I'll be doing. I'm about to have my first real A1200 that I've had in a while. I'll have to try out fblit as well.
Just been sorting out what tweaks I shall be applying to my new miggies and thought I'd share them with you too.
Blizkick to map KS ROM into Fast RAM (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BlizKick)
FBlit 3.7xms (http://www.tpec.u-net.com/files/fblit373xms.lzx)
FScreen (http://www.grey13.com/files/fscreen021ntta.zip)
System Patch 3.3 (http://www.ziosante.it/downloads/SystemPatch33beta.lha)
CMQ030 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CMQ030) or CMQ060 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/NewCMQ060)
Latest 040-060 libs (http://phase5.a1k.org/files/040_060Libs.zip)
Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive.lha)
Keyfile for Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive_key.lha)
AfA_OS 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/AfA_OS_V4_7.lha)
AfA_OS Zune(MUI) 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/afa_os_zune_1.0.lha)
SmartWB (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/SmartWB105)
There are a few more that I'll add to this list when I remember them. Piru's Exec44 is one of the ones i'll possibly use and maybe Cybergraphics AGA too.
Stack Attack 2 (http://aminet.net/package.php?package=util/boot/StackAttack2.lha)
IconBeFast (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/IconBeFast)
PowerIcons patch (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/PowerIcons)
FastIPrefs (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FastIPrefs4035)
ENV Handler (http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/envhandler)
StatRAM (http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/statram31)
KingCON (http://aminet.net/package/util/shell/KingCON_1.3)
DOpus 4.16 (http://dopus.free.fr/files/DOpus416JRbin.lha)
AHI 6.0 (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/m68k-amigaos-ahiusr-6.0.lha) and drivers (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/m68k-amigaos-ahidrv-6.0.lha)
ahi.device 6.7 (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/ahi.device-6.7.lha)
I expect I'll think of a few more over the next couple of days too. :)
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Thanks for putting that together nicholas!. I'm looking forward to trying all that out. Still will be a week or two before I have the new machine setup......
Just been sorting out what tweaks I shall be applying to my new miggies and thought I'd share them with you too.
Blizkick to map KS ROM into Fast RAM (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BlizKick)
FBlit 3.7xms (http://www.tpec.u-net.com/files/fblit373xms.lzx)
FScreen (http://www.grey13.com/files/fscreen021ntta.zip)
System Patch 3.3 (http://www.ziosante.it/downloads/SystemPatch33beta.lha)
CMQ030 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CMQ030) or CMQ060 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/NewCMQ060)
Latest 040-060 libs (http://phase5.a1k.org/files/040_060Libs.zip)
Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive.lha)
Keyfile for Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive_key.lha)
AfA_OS 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/AfA_OS_V4_7.lha)
AfA_OS Zune(MUI) 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/afa_os_zune_1.0.lha)
SmartWB (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/SmartWB105)
There are a few more that I'll add to this list when I remember them. Piru's Exec44 is one of the ones i'll possibly use and maybe Cybergraphics AGA too.
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Thanks for putting that together nicholas!. I'm looking forward to trying all that out. Still will be a week or two before I have the new machine setup......
No probs, I've updated the list with a few more too.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=607186&postcount=37
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Just been sorting out what tweaks I shall be applying to my new miggies and thought I'd share them with you too.
Blizkick to map KS ROM into Fast RAM (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/BlizKick)
FBlit 3.7xms (http://www.tpec.u-net.com/files/fblit373xms.lzx)
FScreen (http://www.grey13.com/files/fscreen021ntta.zip)
System Patch 3.3 (http://www.ziosante.it/downloads/SystemPatch33beta.lha)
CMQ030 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CMQ030) or CMQ060 (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/NewCMQ060)
Latest 040-060 libs (http://phase5.a1k.org/files/040_060Libs.zip)
Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive.lha)
Keyfile for Executive (http://www.aminet.net/util/misc/Executive_key.lha)
AfA_OS 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/AfA_OS_V4_7.lha)
AfA_OS Zune(MUI) 4.7 (http://amidevcpp.amiga-world.de/AfA_Binaries/afa_os_zune_1.0.lha)
SmartWB (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/SmartWB105)
There are a few more that I'll add to this list when I remember them. Piru's Exec44 is one of the ones i'll possibly use and maybe Cybergraphics AGA too.
Stack Attack 2 (http://aminet.net/package.php?package=util/boot/StackAttack2.lha)
IconBeFast (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/IconBeFast)
PowerIcons patch (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/PowerIcons)
FastIPrefs (http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FastIPrefs4035)
ENV Handler (http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/envhandler)
StatRAM (http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/statram31)
KingCON (http://aminet.net/package/util/shell/KingCON_1.3)
DOpus 4.16 (http://dopus.free.fr/files/DOpus416JRbin.lha)
AHI 6.0 (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/m68k-amigaos-ahiusr-6.0.lha) and drivers (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/m68k-amigaos-ahidrv-6.0.lha)
ahi.device 6.7 (http://ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/arp2/ahi/system/ahi.device-6.7.lha)
I expect I'll think of a few more over the next couple of days too. :)
You could replace SmartWB with SmartWIN (http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/smartwin31_usr) or perhaps a newer one CleverWIN (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/clvrwin).
IconBeFast is kinda "obsolete" with the new icon.library from http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/bbag4.htm but it requires OS 3.9.
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You could replace SmartWB with SmartWIN (http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/smartwin31_usr) or perhaps a newer one CleverWIN (http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/clvrwin).
IconBeFast is kinda "obsolete" with the new icon.library from http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/bbag4.htm but it requires OS 3.9.
Thanks! :)
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http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=494009
Posting No.32 & 33
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Will give it a spin in the next hours!!!
Thanks for sharing it Ratte mate \o/
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Ratte seems that the new core plus SuperPlus driver work really awesome!
For not duplicating the post I made, here's the link on how it looks on my A600 with ACA630/Indy ECS and ClassicWB 3.9 at 800x800@16colors using Rebel's palette!
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=677967#post677967
Really good job there.
It's slower than the 640x512 but it's logical I think right? :)
Keep up the good work Ratte mate \o/
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http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=494009
Posting No.32 & 33
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Will give it a spin in the next hours!!!
Thanks for sharing it Ratte mate \o/
Is this better than 1.01 and super-72? I am afraid of flashing my brand new Indivision O_o
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Huh? Why you're afraid???
If you don't like it... you can always flash the oldest firmware and be done with :)
I upgraded so many Indivisions on so many difference machines and I never had a single issue :)
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I just tried this on my A500 with Indivision ECS, worked great! I was a little nervous doing it, and a bit confused why it wouldn't update (until I put the update file in the same directory as the flash utility), but once done it looked great on my 37" LCD! Only downsides were that it used a bit more chip memory (obviously), was a little bit slower (obviously), and there was a brief pause when switching between other screens (with different resolutions) and my 800x600 Workbench, but all-in-all it was still pretty cool. :)
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800x600 is kinda slower but on unexpanded Amigas, @4 colors it should be fine.
On accelerated Amigas, 8 colors are perfect.
800x600 @ 16 colors isn't so nice imho for ECS systems. Really slow for workbench experience :)
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Is the Super72 and ECS beta been updated anytime recently? Just curious :)
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I finally got around to test running that 1.10 version with super plus. After flashing, I lost all custom modes and could only use NTSC or PAL low and hires. Flashing back to my original set.