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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: B00tDisk on April 23, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
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That the high price commanded by Amiga systems is an indication of their quality.
It's a puzzling logic trick, so I have to wonder...by that reasoning, this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-BOXED-APPLE-LISA-1-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-RESTORED-WORKING-/160788014179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256fb66463
is like, 20 or 30 times better than any Amiga. :D :D :D
(And I know that's not so! :) )
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Think there's a lot more wealthy Mac users than there are wealthy Amiga users, I bet it'll sell. (also Mac users are probably more crazy, but I'll leave that statement up for debate, lol)
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Considering the Apple Lisa and it's truly rare status and place in history I think the asking price is probably something that a true collector would be willing to pay... As for the $700 to ship the item, I think they seller should be 'nutted for trying that little bit of crap...
I really get tired of Ebay jerk-offs trying to rip people off with exorbitant shipping costs in the hopes that prospective buyers won't look at the shipping costs before they bid...
SCUM - BAG
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As for the $700 to ship the item, I think they seller should be 'nutted for trying that little bit of crap...
I imagine it'd cost quite a bit to insure the shipment for its full price (if that's even possible...)
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if I was gonna spend that much on a computer I would go and collect it myself. Screw postage.
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I'll bet my left plum he gets what he's asking for it.
The Lisa was a turd of a machine, but the circumstances of the release and the hush hush way Apple tried to smooth over the whole fiasco, real genuine Lisa 1's with no alterations would be extremely rare. Numbers matching on the box helps inflate the price as well, and the Lisa was an *extremely* expensive machine back when they were new.
Couple years one of the 200 Apple 1's went up on a Christie's auction, and it sold for £133,250.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9197844/Apple_1_goes_for_213K_in_Christie_s_auction
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Considering the Apple Lisa and it's truly rare status and place in history I think the asking price is probably something that a true collector would be willing to pay... As for the $700 to ship the item, I think they seller should be 'nutted for trying that little bit of crap...
I really get tired of Ebay jerk-offs trying to rip people off with exorbitant shipping costs in the hopes that prospective buyers won't look at the shipping costs before they bid...
SCUM - BAG
Rare? The Lisa? Not at all. In fact, when the Mac took off they couldn't give those things away.
So...
(http://www.mac512.com/Macsupportfiles/macxl.jpg)
Make a few modifications and re-badge it as the Mac XL.
This is NOT a collector's item.
If you think it is, can I interest you in an Apple III?
This turd (along with the a fore to mentioned Apple III and the Newton) prove that Apple can design some real duds.
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Wow... has capstan driven disk drives!
I bet you the reason why one of those drives don't work is because of a stretched or sticky belt.
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Considering the Apple Lisa and it's truly rare status and place in history I think the asking price is probably something that a true collector would be willing to pay... As for the $700 to ship the item, I think they seller should be 'nutted for trying that little bit of crap...
I really get tired of Ebay jerk-offs trying to rip people off with exorbitant shipping costs in the hopes that prospective buyers won't look at the shipping costs before they bid...
SCUM - BAG
This is lulzworthy, please never quit. Check the asking price.
Twenty-four thousand dollars. That is the price of a new car. That is a down-payment on a mid-sized upper middle class home. That is a few semester's tuition at an average college. That's a few dozen acres of land in Montana (or more, depending).
If I paid that much for a computer, odds are that $700 more doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Moreover, it includes insurance (most likely) for a nigh-utterly irreplaceable piece of computing history.
I think whoever buys it can cough up the $700. If the asking price was $150? Yeah you might have a point.
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With the Twiggy floppy drives? In good condition...
I wouldn't pay that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it sells...
desiv
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That's a very expensive doorstop. I understand the history bit but it's still utterly ridiculous when all is said and done. I just hope whoever sells it spends the cash on something worthwhile.
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That's a very expensive doorstop. I understand the history bit but it's still utterly ridiculous when all is said and done. I just hope whoever sells it spends the cash on something worthwhile.
Plastic surgery, pectoral implants and penis extension? :lol:
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I checked. He's serious.
Stop and think about this.
The reason there aren't any Lisa 1s left is everybody jumped at the chance to get rid of those shyt disk drives and upgrade to Lisa 2 specs.
And even that didn't sell well so they had to re-badge them as Mac XLs.
"Piece of History"!
Yeah, piece of something (good thing we didn't step in it).
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That the high price commanded by Amiga systems is an indication of their quality.
It's a puzzling logic trick, so I have to wonder...by that reasoning, this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-BOXED-APPLE-LISA-1-COMPUTER-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-RESTORED-WORKING-/160788014179?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256fb66463
is like, 20 or 30 times better than any Amiga. :D :D :D
(And I know that's not so! :) )
with inflation, that is about what it was worth new...
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High price tends to be due to a few things. Rarity factors in. So does usefullness to an extent why 4000s get a good price, 1200s. Why a 2000 tends to do better than a 500. But a 1000 gets a better price than a 500 though the 500 is technically better and they are similar as far as expandability (500 is actually a bit more expandable).
Though later on they were remade into Mac XLs, actual Lisa machines with the 5.25" drives are a bit rare. Lisa didnt sell well, which is why there were Lisa's to be remade into MacXLs to try to recoup costs. Is it worth $25,000? Thats just a "Buy It Now" someone decided to set for it. Since it hasnt sold its not yet worth that. You only find out worth from when it sells. I did see a C65 sell for $20,000 (at least I assume it was an actual sale since it was an auction and it ended on ebay at that price but you never know if the winner actually completed the transaction). Usually a BIN like this is someone hopeing to grab someone who doesnt really know value and make a mint on something that doesnt take that much storage space. So they can tend to hold on to it for a while in wait for the sucker.
Lisa does command a decent price due to rarity from being a poor performer therefore rare. So does the Apple III, Atari 1200XL, and Amiga 600.
Amusing anecdote is everyone says Jobs went from Xerox and took what he saw there and came up with the Mac...huge success...amazing foresight, but in truth he took what he saw at Xerox and came up with Lisa first.
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Amusing anecdote is everyone says Jobs went from Xerox and took what he saw there and came up with the Mac...huge success...amazing foresight, but in truth he took what he saw at Xerox and came up with Lisa first.
Yep, the Palo Alto research Center never gets the full credit for its contribution.
And both Apple and Xerox tried to sell these things at >$10K until someone at Apple realized that the market was quite a bit south of that figure.
If the Lisa was introduced in 1983, then it only preceded the Amiga 1000 by two years (and the Mac only had a one year lead).
How the hell did this garbage become so successful when our systems eventually failed?
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Always liked the purported dialog that went on between Jobs and Gates after they both saw (and later "borrowed) from Xerox and used it hands on, the GUI interface on the PARC/Xerox Star concept. Jobs seemed to figure he was being ripped off by MS, when the plain fact is both of them were thieves, lol.
Jobs was pissed off when Gates brought out Windows and got into a pissing match with Gates about it, the reported conversation was:
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Steve Jobs: What is this? This is like doing business with a praying mantis. You get seduced, and then eaten alive afterwards?
Bill Gates: Get real, would ya? You and I are both like guys who had this rich neighbor - Xerox - who left the door open all the time. And you go sneakin' in to steal a TV set. Only when you get there, you realize that I got there first. I got the loot, Steve! And you're yellin'? "That's not fair. I wanted to try to steal it first." You're too late.
--- snip ---
Pirates of Silicon Valley is a great movie to watch if you enjoy a Hollywood spin on the early days of computing. Can find it on YouTube in its entirety at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWyLOKjlAKA
We can all agree the Amiga was, and still is - the best original, old school GUI interface, bar none. Back in those days, it was truly revolutionary. Why did it fail? Progress, mainly - but mangled business management by C= sure didn't help.
I still remember seeing Doom on a PC right when it came out - this was just shortly after I had blown like $1700 on an accelerator card, video card, and SCSI card for my A4000. I actually got those Amiga components rather than buy myself a newer and more reliable car, I was still a teenager then and that was a whole hell of a lot of money. I knew the writing was on the wall right then and there :/
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I have to say, thats an insanely great price!!! Emphasizing on insane part of it of course! (:
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I love how some folks keep railing at the hardware like it can hear them across the internet and 30 years ago, like they can still buy these and have to cope with the floppy drives, or if they had the money they'd bring it home and try to use it as a primary machine.
Hilarity.
It is a museum piece. It is a well-maintained, very rare for the condition it is in museum piece. Seriously, what shall we discuss next? Hm? An original Model-A Ford coupe? Oh my god, no iPod jack? No GPS? Oh and the emissions! Terrible! Why I can't even put unleaded gas in it! What an awful contraption!
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What a jerk.. For that price I would expect the floppy problem fixed (surely there are floppy disk technicians) and free postage if I lived in the US/Canada
Some people believe they can get rich selling any piece of crap. But I guess it is cheaper than this Mac prototype
http://mashable.com/2012/04/17/apple-mac-prototype-ebay/#59529Prototype-Apple-Macintosh-128
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@B00tDisk
The high price of the Amiga is an indication of it's rarity, more than anything else.
From that, you can assume that the Apple Lisa is rarer still.
Recently an Apple 1 was sold for much more than that - that's because it's even rarer that a Lisa.
If I had the money to spare, I'd happily buy that Lisa - it's value can only go up.
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There are collectors out there that have driven the price up. They buy it and put it in their collection. It ruins the market for the rest of us.
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.. (also Mac users are probably more crazy, but I'll leave that statement up for debate, lol)
they don't even come close to Amiga worshipers, for a reason :)
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they don't even come close to Amiga worshipers, for a reason :)
Yep definitely Amiga worshipers take the cake!! (or pie!) on a higher order of nuttyness :) especially when commenting on CUSA threads... ouch!
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I notice no ones bought this piece of crap yet.
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I notice no ones bought this piece of crap yet.
ha! thanks for bringing the thread back on topic.. hmmm lets see, home deposit or umm Lisa.. yes the choice is very clear.. :-/
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ha! thanks for bringing the thread back on topic.. hmmm lets see, home deposit or umm Lisa.. yes the choice is very clear.. :-/
Damn right!