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Title: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 08, 2015, 02:35:14 PM
(http://s8.postimg.org/3ktqyrns5/A1200_Project_Case.jpg)

http://a1200.tindev.net/
https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings
https://www.facebook.com/groups/CommodoreAmiga/permalink/10153003358729157/ (Facebook Group)

Quote
Philippe Lang:
Hi Folks,
This is a new project i'm going to launch by next week
In 1993, i would have been too young and unexperimented to lead this kind of project ..
From an Amiga user, to all Amiga users ^^

UPDATE:
Click the link below to stay updated on our A1200 Housing project.
http://a1200.tindev.net/

UPDATE 2:
Some extra news:
- In around two days we'll have all the datas and infos required for the project.

By then we'll be able to:
- Crunch down all infos to find out final price of each A1200 Housing including worldwide shipment.

UPDATE 3:
With the latest datas we've received today, we're now able to give you some pricing.
Right now even by squeezing everything as possible, we've reached a maximum of 79 EUR.

What's keeping us from having a better price is indeed the two molds we need to manufacture.
One mold is necessary for each housing part (Top / Bottom) and each of them weight 2 tons (4400 pounds).
Part of this expensive process is also due to the necessary 3D modeling of each parts.
Molds are manufactured from these 3D models, and then they're handled manually until perfection.
After that we'll be ready for production. wink emoticon

The main difference with Dallas Moore SK64C housings project, is that he had indeed the chance to get his hands
on the original C64 molds, thus his production cost was very low.

Stay tuned

Soon a Kickstarter link.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Gulliver on July 08, 2015, 03:09:56 PM
Indeed very interesting project...

But I see only 3 issues:

1.The A1200 keyboard is absent from the design, so we will need to reuse an old one :(

2.The sticker/badge that the A1200 had will probably be missing too (due to legal issues).

3.The trapdoor (accelerator expansion plastic door) and the faked scsi plastic tab (the small little plastic that covers a port where all connectors are located) are not mentioned.

Anyway, I see it as a good endeavour, and a cool alternative for current users.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 08, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
@Gulliver:
- yep, no keyboard supplied (perhaps a new Kickstarter soon!)
- No AMIGA sticker to avoid patents and/or copyright issues
- About the trapdoor & plastic tab (rear the AMIGA): these 2 pieces will be supplied!

The author need to know approx. the number of pieces to build.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: spudje on July 08, 2015, 04:57:30 PM
Looks like an exact remake (without the logos), no updates connection wise :(
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 08, 2015, 05:13:35 PM
@spudje:

Quote
Philippe Lang: Hello xxxxxxxxx, This is indeed a perfect copy of the original. The housings will be more robust, are going to UV resistant, and posses the trapdoor as well as the back/rear removable trap for dvi/hdmi.

The trapdoor will indeed be redesigned a bit to add more vents for airflow.

Other than that, we're willing to stick to the original housing.
Because not every users has the same expansions.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: alphadec on July 08, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
have you found the orginal mold. ?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 08, 2015, 08:53:47 PM
Quote from: alphadec;792281
have you found the orginal mold. ?


No, Philippe Lang want to build a new mold.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 08, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
(http://s22.postimg.org/agiwavlkh/A1200_CASEVOTE.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Matt_H on July 09, 2015, 02:43:54 AM
Jens' Amiga Reloaded would look nice in one of these...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Duce on July 09, 2015, 03:39:53 AM
Extremely surprised to see the original cat puke beige being the most popular color.  I guess I had enough of beige PC's back in the 90's, is all, heh.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Wolfe on July 09, 2015, 08:41:17 AM
Why not an A1000 style case for A1200 Mobo ? ? ?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Akiko on July 09, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
I'm not really surprised with this poll , without any new color matching keyboards then the only color that will look well will be beige are maybe the transparent case.

The black will look really nasty unless users intend on butchering some rare CDTV keyboards.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: F0LLETT on July 09, 2015, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Akiko;792296
I'm not really surprised with this poll , without any new color matching keyboards then the only color that will look well will be beige are maybe the transparent case.

The black will look really nasty unless users intend on butchering some rare CDTV keyboards.


Agreed, plus I would never ever butcher my carl sassenrath CDTV Keyboard.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: sm3 on July 09, 2015, 05:35:39 PM
I'm pretty excited about this! Now I can have a new case to go with the icomp.de board when it's available.

Of course the currency conversion of about $89 (at this point) is a bit steep for a plastic case, but I can understand the reasons for it.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Marcin1982 on July 09, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on July 09, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Need more votes for transparent... that's my favorite color ;)

But, no, really, a transparent case would rock.  Got my 64C transparent and it looks sweet even without internal lighting.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: som99 on July 09, 2015, 08:08:44 PM
I will send money as soon as it is possible to get myself one! This is long time over due! Finally spare cases so I do not need to be afraid of doing a misstake everytime I modify something ony my A1200 case :)

Also would be great together with Jens miggy boards :)

Might have missed but will screws be provided, I got screws fitting but so other people knows?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Everblue on July 09, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
Very interesting project, but what about new coloured keys? No point in buying a new case if I am stuck with an ancient yellowing beige keyboard :/
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Rob on July 10, 2015, 06:45:28 PM
Quote from: LoadWB;792304
Need more votes for transparent... that's my favorite color ;)

But, no, really, a transparent case would rock.  Got my 64C transparent and it looks sweet even without internal lighting.


Take that, Franko!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 13, 2015, 06:58:01 PM
(http://s15.postimg.org/ops3a36qz/A1200_new_cases_01_14juillet2015.jpg)

My friend, Amenophis, is waiting his validation, here. He is the guy who launched the new cases project for Amiga 1200 (Kickstarter).
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 16, 2015, 11:39:15 AM
(http://s4.postimg.org/7kq2um64d/A1200_CASEVOTE_913_July_2015.jpg)

More than 1000 dudes!

Amenophis is still waiting for his validate here to give us more information about this Kickstarter project!!!

Mods: please answer me!!!!!!! Thx.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 16, 2015, 07:13:35 PM
Hello Everyone,

First i'd like to thank all of you for following us ;), I also thank the admin who activated my account ^^
This is an amazing adventure, and we can't wait to ship the first casings.

I'm going to start to work on our new website tonight, to give you all details about our new housings as well as the enhancements we'll add to it.

Our Kickstarter campaign should be available in a matter of hours now, as the Kickstarter team is currently reviewing it.

Please let me answer some of the questions you've raised in the previous posts:
- Indeed our new A1200 casing is a near-to-perfect match to an original commodore one.
Near-to-perfect, because we're adding some enhancements to it, regarding ports & slots for your expansion cards or HxC devices.

- Our new housings are going to be totally compatible with Reloaded A1200 motherboard by Jens. Individual computers are going to produce two versions - A500 compatible & A1200 compatible - designs.

- Colored Keys : If our kickstarter campaign succeeds and the second stretch goal reached, we'll start to work right away to get you New A1200 keyboard as well as New Key Caps, matching our housings colors.

- We plan to deliver screws as well with our housings

- For legal reasons, we will not provide stickers / badges


Should you have any other question or comment do not hesitate to join us on our FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings

Thanks for your support !

#AmigaRulez

Edit:
My strongest thanks for VingTrois, who requested activation of my account to the Admins ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on July 16, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
...and no thanks for me who posted this news and has requested validation of your access here :-D
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: som99 on July 17, 2015, 01:05:29 AM
Waiting happily for the kickstart to start, do not forget to post a link here :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on July 17, 2015, 04:48:25 AM
Quote from: som99;792541
Waiting happily for the kickstart to start, do not forget to post a link here :)


This.  I am not on Facebook.  I am very much looking forward to acquiring a transparent or black case for my 1200s.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Wolfe on July 17, 2015, 05:36:09 PM
Well, I looked and didn't see a clear case version in the gallery, but White & Purple were also present but not on the chart . . . :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: sm3 on July 17, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
It's strange all the A1200 keyboards are sold out now from AmigaKit. I'm hoping they were not purchased so someone can sell them for $128 on eBay now ;)

I was going to buy a new keyboard to use with the new cases and of course, the new Amiga Reloaded board if/when it's produce by icomp.de. I guess I wasn't the only one with this idea.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 18, 2015, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: Wolfe;792568
Well, I looked and didn't see a clear case version in the gallery, but White & Purple were also present but not on the chart . . . :)

Hi Wolfe,

If by clear you meant transparent, that's normal you did not see it.
We're working on our prototype, and we intend to make it transparent ;)

For those who do not use Facebook, no worries.
We'll publish the link to our Kickstarter page (as soon as KS team has our campaign validated.. they're reviewing it.)

I'm also preparing a new webpage that'll replace the one actually at http://www.a1200.net
This new webpage will display all the datas about our new housings ;)

Do not hesitate to ask me any questions you might have in the meantime.
We've also set up a dedicated skype account: a1200housings
You can contact me there for any reason, from 2pm to 4pm GMT+1, as often as i can ;)

Thanks guys ^^
#AmigaRulez
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 21, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Dear all,

Kickstarter team validated our campaign this afternoon.
We're so very exited about it and early backers already supported us !

Support us too by following this link, and help us make it happen :
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-a1200-housings-pressed-from-new-molds


Thanks to all of you for your support.
Do not hesitate to comment on our FB page:
https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings

Or Tweeting:
https://twitter.com/NewA1200Housing

#AmigaRulez
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: som99 on July 24, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
I have backed the project, crossing my fingers it will be funded!

Kickstart link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-a1200-housings-pressed-from-new-molds
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: paul1981 on July 24, 2015, 01:31:44 PM
A transparent 1200 would be quite appealing actually...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 25, 2015, 07:53:17 AM
Quote from: som99;793041
I have backed the project, crossing my fingers it will be funded!

Kickstart link:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-a1200-housings-pressed-from-new-molds

Thank you very much Som99 and to you also Paul1981!
We know the price tag is slowing people a bit. No really any choice here.


You're awesome guys !
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 29, 2015, 09:53:48 PM
Hi Guys,

We've updated our video intro on Kickstarter, to show you where we're goign to produce your new cases ;)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-a1200-housings-pressed-from-new-molds

Enjoy ;)

Ps:
This is my first video i'm editing, please don't be too hard on me ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on July 29, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
Thanks, backed!  Good luck with your kickstarter!  :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: sm3 on July 29, 2015, 10:13:55 PM
I backed as well. Your video looks and sounds fine to me. Those moulds are huge!

I will probably increase my purchase to a 2nd later, but there is only 21 days left. Wondering where are the 1200 people that said they wanted a case ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on July 30, 2015, 02:18:00 AM
Really starting to fancy LukHash's tunes :)

And only 4 LukHash special edition black cases left .... and I will get some overtime next month I am sure .. think I am gonna sleep on it another night :laughing:
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: apsturk on July 30, 2015, 02:20:27 AM
Backed and good luck!!!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on July 30, 2015, 02:38:14 AM
Oh what the heck .. it's only money and you can't take that to the grave :lol:

This LukHash - Black Special Edition however .. will house my amiga 1200 which WILL go to the grave with me :angel:

I did it :banana: backed !
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on July 30, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
Thanks guys,

You're just all awesome!

We need something like 700 more backers. We're based in europe and with time difference and the lack of informations we have regarding the Amiga users in USA,
Could you please maybe help us to spread the word ?

Thank you DutchInUsa, Oldsmobile_Mike and Apsturk !

I'd like to confirm you that WE WILL manufacture new keyboards when this campaign has reached his goal!
- For A500/A2000/A3000/A600/A1200/A4000.
- Full keyboards as well as key caps sets only if you just need caps.
- Available colors are going to be Original Amiga colors, as well as transparent and all the colors we have on our current KS, to match our cases.
- Some "enhancements" we can't really tell about right now.. but you'll get crazy ;)


Thanks again to all of you for your support,
Spread the word !

Cheers,
Phil

PS:
Guys i'm available on skype if anyone of you want a chat, or to say hi:
Skype account: a1200housings
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Jiffy on August 02, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
Ok, I backed it for 2x the original casing. Hope it gets through... :-)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 03, 2015, 03:24:23 PM
Guys, check out the kickstarter page again, for the 20 euro donation they now offer the expansion trapdoor, rear trapdoor, video out adapters, a screw set and a case badge ... pretty darn awesome if you want to get something back for your 20 euro donation .. heck I might add one or two on to my initial pledge just to get these extra goodies :banana:
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: sm3 on August 03, 2015, 09:56:48 PM
I changed my pledge, going for 2 cases now. Would be nice to put that Amiga Reloaded into one ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Jiffy on August 04, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
That's exactly the reason why I was going for two cases also: one for my current A1200, one for the upcoming Amiga Reloaded. Now keeping my fingers crossed they'll reach their target.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Marcin1982 on August 04, 2015, 03:37:10 PM
nonsens ! retro = original ! new case ? ? is it joke ?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Jiffy on August 04, 2015, 03:49:14 PM
Quote from: Marcin1982;793547
nonsens ! retro = original ! new case ? ? is it joke ?

Sorry, but what do you mean?

If you don't want a new case, there's a simple solution: don't buy it...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on August 04, 2015, 04:18:16 PM
Quote from: Marcin1982;793547
nonsens ! retro = original ! new case ? ? is it joke ?


Is this some new esoteric syntactical programming language?  It might as well have been written in Brain%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!).
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: hishamk on August 04, 2015, 05:22:49 PM
Haha... that almost looks like some ternary operation.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Jiffy on August 05, 2015, 11:55:35 AM
I can't really understand what he means. I assume he doesn't like new cases being made for one one reason or another, but the message is quite incoherent...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 07, 2015, 04:44:09 PM
Hi All,

- We've just added a new Special Edition by SCOOPEX ;)
- Most of our Cases pledges have now been updated with a new bonus:
  - Commodore: The Amiga Years, Book by Brian Bagnall

Enjoy ^^
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 11, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
Yep, yep !!

Added Scoopex Special Edition :)

No time left to be sitting on the fence .. c'mon fellas :hammer:
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: mahen on August 13, 2015, 04:07:29 PM
This projects makes me surprisingly enthusiastic ;) I have the feeling it binds my childhood to the current period by making it possible to host an A1200, an FPGA recreation or a Raspi. This form factor is really ideal as it's not as cumbersome as the A500 design - which would make no sense to fit a MiST or a Raspi :) Also, it's the dream game machine along with WHDLoad....

Well anyway. Time is running out, time to back this project !
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 14, 2015, 10:00:56 AM
Thank you for your support Mahen ;)
We need more of people like you!

We've also launched our Referral Contest, so all of the backers can get more if they successfully refer our KS to other Amiga fans ;)

Cheers,
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 15, 2015, 01:57:51 AM
Well, added 4 sets of 20 euro to my pledge :)

Just the trapdoor alone on shapeways is over $20 (and that's minus shipping).
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 20, 2015, 09:01:43 PM
Dear all Backers, Followers and AmigaFans,

Our campaign has ended, and like we knew already we haven't reached our goal.

But we did reached a wide audience of the Amiga community, and we'd like to thank all the awesome backers who supported this campaign.

We'll be back soon and re-launch the campaign on a longer period, starting early September.

We're also share with you some astounding news with you, before the re-launch.

Again, thanks to all of you for this fantastic campaign, and see you in some days ;)

Cheers,
A1200.NET Team.


-> To stay updated you can register in our contact list.
http://www.a1200.net  (http://www.a1200.net)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on August 23, 2015, 02:24:51 PM
@amenophis: why have you decided to ban your informations (second KS in sept. ?) to the entire French community (on the main French forum, even if AMIGA French fanatics are not many)? You have decided to not answer the technical and specialized questions of French community (the molds), you have provided no credible evidence except some stolen pictures from Google, worked by you (?) with PHOTOSHOP.

(http://s13.postimg.org/yyzj961dj/Amiga_VGARF.jpg)

Read this: http://www.amigaimpact.org/forums/topic/projet-kickstarter-nouveaux-boitiers-a1200/page/16/#post-242058  (in French > please use Google Translate)

I regret that I have helped you during the first four days: it all started when you told me on the phone about your wacky price of 59.00EUR for one case including the shipping cost worldwide...and 3000 units to manufacture. These infos alerted me and made me aware of the lightness of the project.
It was a monolog from the KS author and not a real dialog or exchanges among serious people.
Nothing against Mister Lang and his project, but only against all his disinformation (avoid answering technical questions).
The Amiga community needs serious people with serious projects.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 23, 2015, 02:45:12 PM
VingtTrois, take your slander elsewhere .. I am sick and tired of people thinking they can do things better/cheaper/whatever .. THEN DO IT !!! :bitch:

Every single Amiga forum has a couple of people who think they are god's gift to the rest of humanity that like to stir up trouble anytime there is a new amiga related project, GET A FRIGGIN' LIFE :furious:

I tried to read some of the stuff in the French forum there but once I found out that Cosmos is talking about certain humans being so-called "reptilians" see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians :insane:

Rant done :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on August 23, 2015, 04:26:19 PM
Quote from: DutchinUSA;794439
VingtTrois, take your slander elsewhere .. I am sick and tired of people thinking they can do things better/cheaper/whatever .. THEN DO IT !!! :bitch:

Every single Amiga forum has a couple of people who think they are god's gift to the rest of humanity that like to stir up trouble anytime there is a new amiga related project, GET A FRIGGIN' LIFE :furious:

I tried to read some of the stuff in the French forum there but once I found out that Cosmos is talking about certain humans being so-called "reptilians" see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians :insane:

Rant done :)

I always tried to be constructive with my criticisms (Facebook, etc...) so that it can evolve this project ( no stupid critics without technicals arguments ).
Are you sure that an A1200 case to 59E or 79E (3000 units at the start and 1500 after) can succeed? I would have liked to hear the opinion from Dallas Moore.
59/79E: case with shipping worldwide --while it is at least 25 EUR for shipping France/USA-- just about the S&H arguments, it can't be realistic.
Under 20 French backers and myself, are in no way responsible for the failure of this KS project. And in no way someone said he could do better.
Then I am not responsible of special guys on French forums :D :D
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Cosmos on August 23, 2015, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: DutchinUSA;794439
I tried to read some of the stuff in the French forum there but once I found out that Cosmos is talking about certain humans being so-called "reptilians" see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians :insane:


I wrote a ? : so it was just a QUESTION...


They are only two kind of Amiga actors on the scene :

1) some who help our computer with free stuff or low price (SpeedGeek, Matthey, Thellier, Ratte, Hivernaal, PeterK, Thomas Richter, Gunnar, Majsta, Vibros... and some other I forgot, sorry)

2) the other who destroy our computer with only money in their brain and high price (ex-Phase5, Zetro, Amenophis and many many many other...)


When you give something for free to users : it's help for the Amiga...

When you sell something, it's only business, not help...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Yasu on August 23, 2015, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: Cosmos;794441

When you give something for free to users : it's help for the Amiga...

When you sell something, it's only business, not help...


By that logic Commodore was truly evil for selling the Amiga in the first place.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 23, 2015, 05:54:59 PM
I think Philippe show us Photoshop images because he doesn't have any prototype to show: no molds, no cases, simply as that. The costs are high and he could make some money too... But: why not? He create new cases that can help us to enjoy again. I don't think it's a fraud: please consider that many important people of Amiga history are supporting this thing...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Iggy on August 23, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
Quote from: Yasu;794442
By that logic Commodore was truly evil for selling the Amiga in the first place.


Very good.point.
Amigans frequently attack those seeking to make a profit.
Consider this, if there was no profit to be made most businesses would never be started (and you would miss out on a lot).
Attacking basic business principles is foolish.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on August 24, 2015, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: Iggy;794448
Very good.point.
Amigans frequently attack those seeking to make a profit.
Consider this, if there was no profit to be made most businesses would never be started (and you would miss out on a lot).
Attacking basic business principles is foolish.


I notice a good number of said individuals come from places where profit has been eliminated as a noble pursuit, but happily live off the profit of others.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Cosmos on August 24, 2015, 03:39:04 AM
Quote from: Yasu;794442
By that logic Commodore was truly evil for selling the Amiga in the first place.

Yes, you are right : Commodore USA had gold in their hand, and sold only about 5 millions Amiga...

That was a big failure for me, compared to the quality of the machine, about 5 years ahead of all the other computers on the market...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Yasu on August 24, 2015, 08:00:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmos;794466
Yes, you are right : Commodore USA had gold in their hand, and sold only about 5 millions Amiga...

That was a big failure for me, compared to the quality of the machine, about 5 years ahead of all the other computers on the market...


So? So maybe the Amiga was the greatest thing ever and it failed. Happens all the time. Without Commodore, the Amiga might have failed a lot faster. Or it might have just been chips in an Atari crap computer. Or maybe just a bunch of patents no one cares about.

But according to your logic, Jay Miner should have given the design away for free. That would have been the noble thing to do. And then we would have had 10 Amiga users alltogether instead.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Cosmos on August 24, 2015, 08:19:06 AM
Quote from: Yasu;794469
So? So maybe the Amiga was the greatest thing ever and it failed. Happens all the time. Without Commodore, the Amiga might have failed a lot faster. Or it might have just been chips in an Atari crap computer. Or maybe just a bunch of patents no one cares about.

But according to your logic, Jay Miner should have given the design away for free. That would have been the noble thing to do. And then we would have had 10 Amiga users alltogether instead.

You can do business with ethic and moral ! And you will have much better sales and results in the long term...

For example, near all games softwares were very very expansive back in the days : editors want destroying the Amiga with VERY high prices in France... Personnally, I could not buy, cost too much money, and all my Amiga friends cannot too...

Hopefully, piracy and XCopy (a reaction) coming, and save the Amiga : software is the food of the machine...


High software prices = unhappy users = a lot of piracy = few software sales = few hardware sales = death of the machine...

With low software prices (moral & ethic) = happy users = much less piracy = more software sales = more hardware sales = the machine lives...


Anyways, think what you want, I say the Thruth and you perfectly know that : there was (and is) a lot of parasites in the Amiga community who sink our computer...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Fransexy_ on August 24, 2015, 12:10:02 PM
Quote from: Cosmos;794470


Anyways, think what you want, I say the Thruth and you perfectly know that


There is always people like you that believe that have the absolute true and that all others are wrong,liars and or stupid or who knows what other things
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Cosmos on August 24, 2015, 01:06:14 PM
Quote from: Fransexy_;794473
There is always people like you that believe that have the absolute true and that all others are wrong,liars and or stupid or who knows what other things

Too late troller : I added you on my parasite list...
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Fransexy_ on August 24, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: Cosmos;794474
Too late troller : I added you on my parasite list...


That confirm what i said
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 24, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
Philippe said that a mole costs about 30k Euro and we need at least 3 molds to get brand new A1200 cases (with some brand new goodies). So he need 125k Euro (molds, plastic, etc...) to gerlt the work done. For this reason the user will pay 79 Euro for each case that probably is an high price if you consider the new cases like three pieces of plastic but also the right price if you consider them like the only opportunity to get a brand new, upgraded, Amiga case. So, Cosmos, if the price according to you is bit ethic, what the average Amiga User should do? Missing this opportunity? Do you know a better (less expensive) way to get the same result done? Just to know.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: polyp2000 on August 24, 2015, 02:03:33 PM
" Philippe said that a mole costs about 30k Euro "

Thats some serious mole!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on August 25, 2015, 11:21:42 AM
On their facebook page https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings it now says "Manufactured under license from Amiga Inc." and the images have been altered to include the AMIGA logo on the cases. Could the Amiga brand finally be appearing on a real Amiga related product again?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: sm3 on August 25, 2015, 02:06:21 PM
Interesting. I hope the Kickstarter is successful this next run. I'd really like a nice new case or two (and keyboard) for my 1200 and Amiga Reloaded board in 2016 ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 25, 2015, 08:14:13 PM
Let's hope in some mechanical keyboards.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on August 25, 2015, 08:20:07 PM
Quote from: candyman;794531
Let's hope in some mechanical keyboards.

Correction: let's put some money into backing a project to make them.  Just "hoping" for something is like wishing for fishes. ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 26, 2015, 12:04:13 AM
There are many traditional keyboards out there. Personally I hope the keyboards will be mechanical: on the contrary I'll make a pledge for the cases only :-)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 26, 2015, 11:23:53 AM
Hi Guys,


Hope you all doing great.
As i'd like to confirm you good news, i just saw that IanP nailed it :)

So i'll simply answer some of your questions/statements here.

To IanP:
Nice catch ;)
We've indeed obtained license to use Amiga name, Amiga logo and the Boing ball.


To Candyman:

Yes, keyboards (internal Amiga 1200 at first) and Key Caps are coming, we just need a bit more time for that. But we do look forward to get mechanical keyboards indeed.
I'm not sure i said molds costs 30KEur each.. I said for the 3 molds  it'll be around 90KEur. The third mold is much smaller than the 2  others.
And we're still working on that!

To Oldsmobile_Mike:
You're right, we'll need all and every of you guys help for that to happen.


Do not hesitate to ask anything guys, We're close to the KS campaign re-launch.


Cheers,
Phil

PS:
Another thing the team wanted me to say so i just put it down here:
The team understood that after they tried their best to demolish our efforts (on the Amiga Impact French (http://www.amigaimpact.org/forums/topic/projet-kickstarter-nouveaux-boitiers-a1200/) Forum), some members are trying to do the same here. We have nothing against them and they can state and tell anything they want! We're not going to react/answer.
But because of allegations of us willing to "hide" informations to the french community, we'd just like to inform you all that before leaving this French forum for another French forum, we clearly and publicly apologized to all supportive members about us not willing to update this forum anymore with our news.
 
We're making new Amiga 1200 cases. This is what we do.
And it's understandable that some people simply don't appreciate others efforts. If some people think they can do better, they should do it.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 30, 2015, 08:42:26 AM
I think Philippe's campaign deserves a big attention.

When I saw the first mock-ups, I thought was a pity that the Amiga logo was missing. Then, when I saw the traditional italic bold Georgia logo I had a strange sensation: are we making BIG efforts for something old yet? I don't like the new HxC led position over the AMIGA writing: it appears so messy!

I think this is the opportunity to get something REALLY new, not just a plastic clone. So, I think that we need the latest custom Bodoni Amiga Technologies logo, maybe with the dot over the "i" with a red power led (or, at least, cutting lines to place it).

(http://s5.postimg.org/5doxt5dif/amiga1200_off.jpg)

For the same reason we don't need the A1200 badge/sticker anymore: the "limited editions"  (Rsi, Scoopex and so on) can have their logos (or a simple signature that appear when we power-up the machine) created with the matrix on the little LCD screen. Maybe my ideas are technically too difficult to reach but I'd like to share my thought anyway: there are tiny 16x2 LCD screens out there!

According to me with a minimal change we could really obtain "a Limited Edition for all" and not just the same old A1200 case with some goodies that skilled people can get with some polish&paint and drilling some holes. With a NEW engraved logo we could have really a NEW A1200. It would truly be an A1200+ and it would have more coherent from an historical point of view too.

(http://s5.postimg.org/5eyvmkfc7/amiga1200_on.jpg)

I've created a two basic GIMP samples: what do you think?
As we made for the colors, can we have a poll for this also?

p.s.: I thought also to place the HxC LCD screen beside the Amiga logo (getting rid of all the power and disk leds) but I imagine that the disk drive takes too space.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Akiko on August 30, 2015, 09:52:41 AM
It's a once in a lifetime oppertuntiy now with the new licensing in place.

My dream A1200 - A transparent case, Amiga reloaded motherboard and future FPGA based accelerator card. :-)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on August 30, 2015, 10:14:53 AM
Sorry candyman but I really dislike the newer AMIGA logo, always have, from the day I first saw it I thought it looked ridiculous. The classic AMIGA logo is elegant, timeless and well recognised.

I suspect moving the LCD display option pre-cuts to where you suggest would preclude having the label recess there. I think the label recess should be kept as is. What appears on the LCD is down to the firmware of the (disk emulation) controller it's plugged into. Not all special edition purchasers would want an LCD display either.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 30, 2015, 10:29:20 AM
@candyman,

Very nice new logo !
I'm not sure we can change this logo design on the case.
Technically we could of course, it's about to know if we can do it legally as we're bound to manufacture "clone" cases with invisible inner enhancements.
We'll check that.

For the LCD display location, we've decided the location base on the surface for the mounts. Your suggestion is very nice !
But it also remove the original badge holder, and again i'm not quite sure we can.
Checking also.


About keyboards:

This is the process we're going to follow for keyboards and key caps.
Please comment and tell us what you think:

- We'll first make available Key caps only. Localized keys, as well with all special "A" keys.
- Caps are going to be available in these colors:

- Aside from that new full keyboards are going to be available. With and without caps.
The new keyboards will need technical choices as well to be made
We'll ask you also about that.

- The new key caps & keyboards will be available through a new campaign.


Cheers
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 30, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
Really dislike Candyman's logo suggestion, I definitely would not be interested in a case with that.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Mr_Byte on August 30, 2015, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: DutchinUSA;794724
Really dislike Candyman's logo suggestion, I definitely would not be interested in a case with that.


100% Agreed. I think most people want the case to look original.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on August 30, 2015, 01:59:10 PM
Many thanks to amenophis (Philippe) to have at least considered this opportunity. I like his approach that considers other people's point of view (polls and so on). If you looking at the project you'll discover that many ideas are taken from hobbyst's projects found on the Net (like the CF solution over the PCMCIA port) and putted together for nostalgic or not-so-skilled people. Great idea.

I agree with Akiko that is once in a lifetime opportunity and I think that all out there should share their ideas to create a product that is a thing that is worth to create and not only a replacement part.

Many years ago, when I discovered the new Amiga logo by Amiga Technologies I hated that. It's natural that we don't like when things we love are changed, but changing is essential for life. I think that attitude to leave all the things unchanged is the same that led Amiga to ruin. On the other hand I would prefer to spend 79 Euro for a thing that is something different from the one I've already on my desk (maybe a little yellowed).

I'm speechless seeing people that prefers to have the reassuring and pointless Amiga plaque over the Esc key to place a LCD screen over the engraved (originally old fashioned) AMIGA logo against all the basic rules of aesthetics.

I hope Philippe will consider the possibility  to put some cutting lines to place a tiny LCD screen in the place of the pointless plaque over the Esc key.

I guess that a poll over this or others Amiga forums will see the old AMIGA logo (Commodore era) as sure winner, but I'm pretty sure that people who doesn't know Amiga will consider the latest one (Amiga Technologies era) as more modern. All changed their logos (Facebook and Lenovo, the latest) only Amiga can't... :)

For my taste the LCD screen over the AMIGA writing is really too messy, I preferred the case without the AMIGA writing (first kickstart model).

I hope the next kickstarter it will be successfull and I'm sure it will be.
The only thing that was missing was the Amiga writing: a plause to Philippe that understood this... :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on August 30, 2015, 03:09:50 PM
Agreed, old logo > no logo > new logo :)

I didn't mind it not having the logo as it is very clear what it is to us but I know there are others who said they didn't like it all without a logo.

Man, kickstarter re-launch at midnight for me :( guess I have to either stay up or set my alarm and wake up as I definitely want the LukHash special edition :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on August 30, 2015, 03:17:12 PM
@Candyman,

My friend came back quickly on that and it's safe to say we can't do anything regarding the overall design. We're bound to the original design.
 But thanks for your suggestion anyway ;)

Right now we really would'nt change anything more on the overall design of the enhancements.

What we do need right now, is people helping us with the remaining 9 colors to choose: ;)
LINK (https://www.facebook.com/a1200housings/posts/1134170276611644)

Also, when we'll publicly come about with Keyboards and caps, we'll surelly need all community suggestions ;)


Cheers
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 01, 2015, 10:52:39 AM
Dear friends,

It's about to come ;)
Please be a bit more patient, we'll update you as soon as the new campaign is live.

Cheers
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: broken on September 01, 2015, 11:56:28 AM
I don't understand. Why go through the hassle of getting approval to use the logo and not use the correct font?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 01, 2015, 01:19:42 PM
The logo and font we're actually using are not the final ones.
We'll have our own Logo designed by Paul Kitching soon.

Thats the reason why we're not using the "AMIGA" logo, the one with square point on the I, as well as it is commercially used by Amiga Inc.
Our license does gives us the right to use it, but we're not Amiga Inc, so we'll have our own logo.

Of course, the "AMIGA" name on top of cases stays the exact same as it is on Commodore/Escom previous cases.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 03, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
Dear All,

Our New Amiga 1200 cases Kickstarter campaign has started today at 12PM

You can follow it at this address: https://t.co/7J1eDoAuv3

New infos for Keycaps and Keyboards are scheduled for around next week.

Stay tuned ;)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on September 11, 2015, 03:06:07 PM
Quote from: amenophis;794942
Dear All,

Our New Amiga 1200 cases Kickstarter campaign has started today at 12PM

You can follow it at this address: https://t.co/7J1eDoAuv3

New infos for Keycaps and Keyboards are scheduled for around next week.

Stay tuned ;)

Cheers.


With 50 days to go, this project has reached the 50% mark. :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Everblue on September 11, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
I have pledged for this project, I really hope it does well and succeeds. I also wonder if the likes of AmigaKit or Vesalia will chip in. Maybe there should be a good quantity discount for them. I am also looking forward for the brand new keyboards too.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on September 11, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
Right.  I'm in for my three :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 12, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
I'm guessing the issues with offering large discounts for the online Amiga stores is it could eat into the costs of producing the molds if the kickstarter just scrapes past it's goal. If a lot of high value special editions are pledged for the production unit cost will be much less as a proportion of the total than if the goal is met mainly by standard cases. There's not much room for large discounts without risking a funding shortfall. Without larger discounts the cost may be unattractive to the online stores as there's no profit in it. Kickstarters are a risk, for most of us if we loose some money on it or end up having to wait a long time for it it's not the end of the world but for an online Amiga store it could be very serious, they need to see a timely return on their investment. Even if all does go well there may be a very limited market if everybody that wants a case has already backed the kickstarter. Things may change if funding is met quickly but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 12, 2015, 01:59:14 PM
Quote from: amenophis;794831
The logo and font we're actually using are not the final ones.
We'll have our own Logo designed by Paul Kitching soon.


Hope you are going to show us it soon! :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 13, 2015, 03:32:54 PM
As soon as we receive it ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 16, 2015, 07:57:19 PM
Amicast (http://amicast.ppa.pl/) Episode 6 (http://amicast.ppa.pl/podcast/AMIcast_Episode_6.mp3) is an extensive interview with Philippe Lang about the ongoing New AMIGA 1200 Cases Kickstarter campaign (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds/description).
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: ToddH on September 17, 2015, 12:55:30 AM
I pledged again. I sure hope they meet their goal this time but it's gonna be close again.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: LoadWB on September 17, 2015, 04:36:26 AM
Quote from: ToddH;795788
I pledged again. I sure hope they meet their goal this time but it's gonna be close again.


Ya, same here.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 19, 2015, 11:44:23 AM
Dear all,

Today we just published an update on the KS campaign as well as on the project FB page.

These news are related to the new keycaps and new keyboards we're working on, and why we need to delay again these campaigns, due to the high cost (=small audience)

You can of course comment here on the forum, over the FB page and of course through the KS page.

As said, we need to delay the keycaps and keyboards campaigns, and here's why:
- Amiga keycaps does not posses usual mounts, they're of Mitsumi type.
- So these kind of keycaps have to be manufactured from new key molds!
 
As Mitsumi type are long gone as well. And because we have 5 diff profiles (keys heights) on the Amiga keyboard, this mean 5 diff key molds.
Of course these key molds are way smaller than the case molds you would say, and thats the truth.

But still we're around $11K+ per mold for each profile!
Then we also have 3 diff style of special keys, and the spacebar. Each of them also need a dedicated mold.
Knowing all of that, we also have key printing and extra charges for each country layout.

Where does this currently lead us regarding pricing?
Understanding what we've learned from manufacturing schemes so far.

- A FULL SET of new Amiga Keycaps replacement, compatible with all existing Amiga would be of price: €141 (any color/any layout) for 1000pcs!
a)Less qty of keys full set would mean an higher price per set.
b)Also any campaign goal based on this would be of €141K without shipping!

- A New Internal Amiga 1200 keyboard only
, with compatible switches to host existing Amiga keys (but without keys) would be of price: €118 (again for qty:1000)

- A New Internal Amiga 1200 FULL keyboard
,with non-compatible switches and including non-compatible keys (with previous Amiga) would be of price: €202 (again for qty:1000)

Conclusion:
As we're not satisfied with the pricing of €141 for a full set of new keycaps, we're still working on finding a better solution including lower manufacturing costs.
Thus, we're delaying the keycaps and keyboards campaign launch until we find a more suitable solution.


We also have other news regarding incoming new Special Edition cases that should hit the KS page next week ;)
And some of these new SE are going to have awesome bonuses ;)

Do not hesitate to comment.

Cheers,
Team A1200.NET
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 19, 2015, 02:46:12 PM
So Mitsumi couldn't or wouldn't help then?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 19, 2015, 02:57:07 PM
Is it possible there is an off the shelf keycap set that could have an adapter insert added to fit on the mitsumi switches. Then only the adapter would need to be molded.

It may be possible to drill or mill existing keycap internals to make space for a Mitsumi adapter if suitable keycap shapes and sizes can be found.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 19, 2015, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: IanP;795953
So Mitsumi couldn't or wouldn't help then?

Not at all.
I've reached by phone personally to one of their tech-sales department manager to open discussions, and we also went through one of their OEM contractor i've been working with some years ago.
They've stopped producing these more than a decade ago, and the sad part is that they've even lost some of their archives over a fire some years ago, or so i was told.

Regarding your solution with an adapter insert, without having searched in that direction it seems that would be of a higher manufacturing cost. And also not really sure of the overall quality and durability of such.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Everblue on September 19, 2015, 08:43:28 PM
Hmmm if my calculations are correct for this project to succeed, 1300 Euro / day need to be pledged every day until the last. How is it doing at the moment?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 19, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
Quote from: Everblue;795962
Hmmm if my calculations are correct for this project to succeed, 1300 Euro / day need to be pledged every day until the last. How is it doing at the moment?

Your math is good.
No crowdfunding campaign have a straigth and regular progression anyway ;)

On the other hand there is also 140+ backers from the first campaign that have not yet moved to the new one.

There is also new SE coming soon, and we guess that some backers are waiting.

The best way to help this campaign progression is to tell all your friends and contacts, and try to convince them that a nice new Amiga 1200 case that includes enhancements and will not get yellowed ever again could be something they'd really like ;)

Thanks for your help Everblue ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 22, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
Some thoughts on new keyboards. Molding new key caps is too expensive so we need an alternative. Off the shelf key caps are standardised for common PC keyboard layout. Both the A1200 and common PC keyboards use a standard pitch of 19mm (1 x 1 key). Keys vary in widths in increments of 0.25 x standard pitch. Most keys are 1 row high with exceptions like the Return and Enter keys common to both layouts. The side profile of keys varies according to which of the six rows they are in. There are usually four or five profiles for the single row keys with at least one row sharing a profile with its neighbour.

The differences between the common PC and Amiga 1200 layout are:

Top row function keys on PC keyboard are 1 x 1 size in three groups of four keys, F1 through F12. The A1200 uses 1 x 1.25 size function keys in two groups of five keys, F1 through F10. 1 x 1.25 size keys are unlikely to be available in a profile suitable for the top row. A possible solution is to use 1 x 1 keys in two groups of six. This give a total width of 6 units per group instead of 6.25. If the keys are centred in the slots at the standard pitch the extra gap at each end is only 0.125 of a key or 2.375mm. Now we have twelve function keys instead of ten but there is only room for one new key in the A1200 keyboard matrix (89 of the 96 keys are mapped in a 15 x 6 matrix and the seven modifiers are mapped directly 1 x 7). It should be possible to configure the matrix membrane for the new keys to trigger both a standard key and a modifier e.g. F11 triggers the left Amiga and F1 keys and F12 left Amiga and F2. Some diodes, resistors or simple logic gates may be needed.

The next A1200 row begins with a strange key, the`~ key, This key is 1 x 1.5 size on the A1200 but the corresponding PC key is only 1 x 1. Next on the A1200 are the numeral keys '1' through '9' and '0', followed by three symbolic keys and the Back Space key ends the main area group. All these A1200 keys a 1 x 1 giving a total width for the main area of 15.5 units. The PC has one less symbolic key in this row group but a 1 x 2 Back Space key giving a total width for the main area of 15 units. Unless this row matches the profile of the next row a 1 x 1.5 size key may not be available in the correct profile. The next group on this row for the A1200 are the Del and Help keys, these are also 1 x 1.5 size. The PC has three 1 x 1 size keys Insert, Home, Page Up. The final group belongs to the numeric keypad and this is not a problem. A possible solution is to start the A1200 row further in with a replacement 1 x 1 size key and to replace Del and Help keys with 1 x 1 keys and add a new 1 x 1 key (Ins? It could trigger both a modifier and the numeric keypad '0').

The next row begins with the TAB key on the A1200 it's 1 x 2 and on the PC it's 1 x 1.5. If the profile is the same as the previous row a PC Back Space size key could be used but if it's not and the change suggested above is implemented, for a consistent group width a PC TAB key can be used. The rest of the row is good.

The next row starts with the Ctrl key on the A1200 and Caps Lock on a PC. The PC Caps Lock is 1 x 1.75. The A1200 Caps Lock is 1 x 1 but includes an LED and has the 1 x 1.25 Ctrl key before it. If the row profile is the same as the next row a PC left Shift size key could be used if it's sized to allow an extra symbolic key next to it but if it's too big there is unlikely to be a matching PC key. If the changes suggested above have been implemented the A1200 Ctrl key could be moved to the bottom row and a choice of widths for the A1200 Caps Lock key should be possible either with an embedded LED or with one to the left of the key.

The next row starts with left Shift this is 1 x 1.75 on an A1200. A PC Caps Lock key may be the correct size if the rows have the same profiles. If the PC left Shift key cap is available in 1 x 1.25 it can be substituted to match the above changes. If however it is only available in 1 x 2.25 it's no good. Some PC keyboards are missing a symbolic key to the right of the left Shift corresponding to the blank/international key on the A1200. In a worst case scenario we may be forced to use an indented 1 x 1 key for left Shift. The rest of the row should be fine, the 1 x 2.75 right Shift key seems to be common.

The final row may have the Ctrl key moved on to it. PC Ctrl, Windows and Alt keys seem to be the same size as the remaining A1200 modifiers left Alt, left Amiga, right Amiga and right Alt, all are 1 x 1.25. The Space Bar will need to be shorter if the Ctrl key is moved to this row.

If the suggested changes to the left edge keys have been made the maximum width of the main key area will be 15 units instead of 15.5. If the keys are centred in the main keyboard area slot this will still leave a noticeable gap either side (of 0.25 * 19mm = 4.75mm). Possible solutions could be to add pieces to the case parts molds to produce filler strips in the in colours to match the keyboard to the case. The left strip may also include an LED or light pipe housing if no led is embedded in the Caps Lock key. If molding these fillers is not possible maybe suitable pieces can be laser cut or 3D printed.

Depending on what key switches/actuators/contacts are chosen a laser cut and/or 3D printed and/or milled laminated switch housing plate with spacers, membrane location points and screw holes to attach the rest of the metal work should be manufacturable at a reasonable price if you can find the right people. CBM/Mitsumi molded parts because it would save money on mass production to get the cost of the keyboard right down. For a smaller production with a higher budget per item molding parts shoudn't be needed.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 22, 2015, 12:13:10 PM
When printing the keycaps it may be cheaper to put the text and symbols currently on the front of keys (numeric keypad) on the top face instead.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 22, 2015, 12:53:46 PM
If we have to adapt a standard PC keyboard to the original A1200 case, then it would be better to re-design from scratch the whole thing (case + mechanical keyboard for example).

I don't think that for the Amigans out there would be easy to renounce to the traditional F10 keys keyboards for a common PC one.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 22, 2015, 01:23:24 PM
it's a little late in the campaign to think about redesigning the case to take an off the shelf PC keyboard layout. Also the mapping all the extra keys onto the existing matrix would be a bit of a nightmare.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 22, 2015, 01:29:13 PM
Sincerely, I think that the original yellowed A1200 keyboard would be better than a PC one forced in the Amiga case.

I also think that these problems could deter the undecided.

Do you think that re-painting (or clean) the original keys would be a lot more difficult?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 22, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
My suggestion isn't to us a "PC" Keyboard it's to use standard (i.e. PC sizes) keycaps to make a new custom Amiga keyboard, where there is no corresponding size/profile keycap a compromise has to be sought otherwise there will be a bunch of MiST, Raspian and Amiga Reloaded case owners with no keyboard option other than second hand A1200 keyboards.

Cleaning and painting yellowed keyboards is not an ideal solution to go with a funky new colour case.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: TheDaddy on September 22, 2015, 03:08:04 PM
I'm just going to leave this here...:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/505470364/amiga-inspired-key-caps-for-mechanical-keyboards

:D
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 22, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
Loriano's keyboard is great: mechanical switches but the layout is the standard PC (F12).

Would be too expensive to create a custom Amiga (F10) keyboard with MX switches to replace the original one in the A1200 case?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: TheDaddy on September 22, 2015, 05:27:51 PM
I'll speak to Phil...after all it makes sense as I've already done the majority of the work:

A very accurate replica of the symbols (size and positioning), a very accurate replica of the Amiga "A", font, Shift arrows, cursor arrows, Tab, Boing Ball, etc...already ported to over 12 languages and if we had permission the coloured Tick could make an appearance...

In the meantime keep pledging! :D
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 22, 2015, 09:21:28 PM
Apart the font, the essential thing is the possibility to get all the custom Amiga sizes for the special keys (10 Function keys, Undo, Help...).

A brand new mechanical keyboard to match, would make the replica-case even more interesting.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 23, 2015, 12:33:20 AM
Just saw this C64 Keycaps project (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/brand-new-colored-keycaps-for-your-commodore-c64--2#/story). I wonder if the they would be willing and  able to do Mitsumi campatible Amiga keycap sets at a similar price level.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 25, 2015, 03:29:04 AM
There seem to be a few issues with keycaps and keyboards. Firstly modern keycaps don't fit classic key switches. Secondly modern contoured keyboard keycaps aren't available in the required sizes with the required profiles. Thirdly readily available switches to build new keyboards don't fit the classic key caps.

So the only solution for classic keycaps is new molds. Hopefully a cost effective mold maker can be found. The ideal solutions for new keyboards would then require either manufacturing of new classic switches or more keycap molds to work with an off the shelf modern switch. Half of each new mold has already been done if the classic switch molds can be re-used, assuming it's possible to swap half a mold, only new inner surface half molds are required. Making the inner surface mold halves should be easier than the outer surface ones I should imagine. As they are purely functional they only have to be mechanically sound, they don't need a perfect smooth finish. As long as they mate with the switch and work they are OK.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 25, 2015, 09:22:00 AM
@IanP,

You've said it all mate, and you do have a clear view and understanding of what it takes for these new keys to be done. As well as the technical choices to be made.
We're working on that as you all know, and keyboard a bit later.

But one step after another, we still have the current campaign to make it reach the goal.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 28, 2015, 02:40:07 AM
Hopefully today the campaign will overtake the previous one. Some very promising sounding things on recent facebook posts too.

While I'm here and before I forget, I had some more thoughts on key caps for classic keyboards. The yellowing issue is mainly confined to the white keys. If only the white keys need to be replaced this should reduce the number of molds required. One mold would need 4 1x1 keys (one for each profile) and a second mold would need a space bar (1x9), a 1x2 for keypad '0' and a 1x1 for keypad '.'. The "4 1x1 keys" mold would need to be used 17 times to get enough keys to complete all the white rows. 17 1x1 white keys per row would leave a few over on an A1200 keyboard, 4 on the top row, 2 on the next row and 1 on the next row. If the printing costs are not prohibitive these extra keys could be marked as replacements for the beige 1x1 keys on the numeric keypad EDIT and the 1 remaining key could have alternative characters for the international/"blank" key next to the return key for example the UK keyboard could really use a single quote/apostrophe and either (shift) backtick/acute or tilde key there., just realised the spare key is from the wrong row (I'd still like a UK apostrophe key though).

The partial key set would be compatible with A500, A1200 and external mitsumi Amiga keyboards. The A600 has a shorter space bar (1x8?) so that would need a stretch goal to open an A600 partial key set option. Other stretch goals would open up more keys like a function keys goal all the way up to full key sets goal.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on September 28, 2015, 02:59:37 PM
Quote from: amenophis;796307
@IanP,

You've said it all mate, and you do have a clear view and understanding of what it takes for these new keys to be done. As well as the technical choices to be made.
We're working on that as you all know, and keyboard a bit later.

But one step after another, we still have the current campaign to make it reach the goal.


To give a pricing reference point, C=USA's C64X keyboard cost them $98 @.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: kolla on September 28, 2015, 03:20:14 PM
Small injection molds are actually quite easy to make on your own.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Everblue on September 28, 2015, 03:51:08 PM
Quote from: IanP;796504
Hopefully today the campaign will overtake the previous one. Some very promising sounding things on recent facebook posts too.

While I'm here and before I forget, I had some more thoughts on key caps for classic keyboards. The yellowing issue is mainly confined to the white keys. If only the white keys need to be replaced this should reduce the number of molds required. One mold would need 4 1x1 keys (one for each profile) and a second mold would need a space bar (1x9), a 1x2 for keypad '0' and a 1x1 for keypad '.'. The "4 1x1 keys" mold would need to be used 17 times to get enough keys to complete all the white rows. 17 1x1 white keys per row would leave a few over on an A1200 keyboard, 4 on the top row, 2 on the next row and 1 on the next row. If the printing costs are not prohibitive these extra keys could be marked as replacements for the beige 1x1 keys on the numeric keypad EDIT and the 1 remaining key could have alternative characters for the international/"blank" key next to the return key for example the UK keyboard could really use a single quote/apostrophe and either (shift) backtick/acute or tilde key there., just realised the spare key is from the wrong row (I'd still like a UK apostrophe key though).

The partial key set would be compatible with A500, A1200 and external mitsumi Amiga keyboards. The A600 has a shorter space bar (1x8?) so that would need a stretch goal to open an A600 partial key set option. Other stretch goals would open up more keys like a function keys goal all the way up to full key sets goal.


Should we see a massive jump in pledges in this kickstarter? Or I'm missing something here? Thanks!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on September 28, 2015, 04:00:42 PM
Today we've reached the previous campaign result.
Now we have one month to collect 50k Euros.
With 3 special editions behind the corner (more or less 12k each) it could be possible but not sure.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Everblue on September 28, 2015, 04:07:24 PM
I think that once the first run is done, a 2nd one would be much cheaper to produce..... So it is not like the molds will be thrown away.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: IanP;796504

The partial key set would be compatible with A500, A1200 and external mitsumi Amiga keyboards.


I'm pretty sure that the Mitsumi keycaps in the A1200 keyboard are different to those of the A500.  They may be compatible with the A4000 keyboard though but I can't check myself at the moment.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 28, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
I've used a key stem from an A500 to replace a broken one on an A1200, so the A1200 key cap works with the A500 stem. I don't think there is any difference but perhaps further investigation is needed though.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2015, 08:16:07 PM
I just did a bit of research and it turns out some of the A500 keycaps are different but the stems can be swapped over at the same time.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
Quote from: dammy;796511
To give a pricing reference point, C=USA's C64X keyboard cost them $98 @.


Do you have any idea of how many keyboards Commodore USA had made to get that price?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on September 30, 2015, 05:04:12 PM
Just a quick heads up, if somebody wanted a Scoopex limited edition case but missed out, one has come up as a backer has "run into money trouble, and sadly had to reduce my pledge. So, as of writing (right now), there is a Scoopex case available. Go get it! ;)"
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on September 30, 2015, 05:30:19 PM
Thought about it but decided to wait for the new special editions :)

Thanks for the heads up :cool:
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on October 01, 2015, 01:42:22 PM
New Special Editions :D

SKIDROW & ALLISTER BRIMBLE :banana:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds/description
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on October 01, 2015, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: Rob;796541
Do you have any idea of how many keyboards Commodore USA had made to get that price?


Nope, Leo would know though.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: Senex on October 01, 2015, 04:47:46 PM
Wouldn't it be useful if not just the backers would be allowed to read the updates, but also the Amiga news-sites were informed? ;-)

[Well, I'm willing to back it, too, but since I'd have to apply for a virtual credit card for this project only, I'm waiting if it will get anywhere close to the required sum at all this time.]

Edit:
Ah, meanwhile the e-mail arrived - news-item updated.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 01, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
@Senex,

Everyone can read the updates. The previous non public updates were due to one validating an update on someone else computer. And we can't undo that on KS.

And yes, we're trying to inform as many news sites as we can. But most of them don't even answer so we're kinda dead in the water, just hoping for them to publish a review.

Thanks for your support Senex.
KS campaigns sadly does not respond well to "waiting to see" what's happening.. and we're trying hard explaining to people and backers to keep momentum.
It is the essence of a campaign.
Hopefully you'll even find a suitable Special Edition to your eyes to make the jump and join us ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: IanP on October 02, 2015, 09:41:28 AM
Hi Philippe, you wrote in a comment on the kickstarter page
Quote
Hi,
Yes all Special Edition colors are exclusive. They will NEVER be used anymore.
These colors have been requested by each SE partner, and when these cases will be gone there is simply no way you can get one.
but the Lukhash Special Editions are black or transparent, by some definitions these aren't colors but they are also two of the three confirmed options for standard cases. There are limited options for what you can do with black to make it different and another of the Special Editions the TITAN - Ultimate is described as Noir Brillant which I think translates as glossy black. Will the standard black and transparent cases be different in some way other than the label?
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 02, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
HI IanP,

Well Black is Black, and Transparent is ... Tranparent.
Regarding the LUKHASH Transparent, obviously this is the same Transparent as... transparent. And the Black model will be.. well .. black.
Sorry for the jokes ;) haha

These are Lukhash himself choices. The case differences lies with sticker badges, Serial number plates, and the bonuses.
Still, Lukhash is going to sign his master model for the serial plate for his case ;)

Regarding the TITAN Edition, yes the case goes glossy.
We've made this SE for the french audience, as TITAN (Eric Cubizolle) is very well know in France. He's also the write of "La Bible Amiga" book.


@ALL,

- This morning we've added lower tier Rewards, as several people asked us how to get 1 mug only.

- Since yesterday we've made it to 2/3 the goal! Thanks to all of you!
We need everybodys support, so please don't stop sharing this initiative with your networks, and help the campaign as much as you can by spreading to all retro-websites you know ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on October 02, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
Hello Philippe, thanks for your efforts and for all your quick replies.
Now we have reached the previous limit and we still have a month to collect the missing bucks: the goal is still far, anyway.

According to me, one thing that prevents people from making a pledge is the hope to get the thing done by others and take advantage of an cheap second batch.

I think you should explain to the community what will be of the molds after the production of the first lot. I think many people are simply waiting for a second batch one day that the molds are done and a second production could be more cheap.

Maybe it would been better to think about a promise/accord to selling of the molds (as raw aluminium) to keep the goal lower (100K Euro?) as soon as the first batch would have been finished. I know it's easy to think now but I think that this fear could stop many people from making a pledge.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 03, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
Quote from: candyman;796754
.../...
I think you should explain to the community what will be of the molds after the production of the first lot. I think many people are simply waiting for a second batch one day that the molds are done and a second production could be more cheap...

Selling/refurbishing the molds is not a viable option to save money. Costs are mainly from manufacturing them, not the material itself.

People have to understand that thinking:
"I'll wait to get cheaper cases after the first run" is not the right choice to make.
To get after this first run, we need to manufacture the cases using the molds.
So not reaching the goal = No new cases for nobody !
This is very basic logic that everybody can understand i guess.

But your point is right, and we'll make an announcement again regarding that.

We still have 28 days and all and every backers should spread the word, share the campaign and try to convince all their contacts who were involved with the Amiga past or present, should support the campaign.

Right now we have 477 backers, and we can't think that there isn't more A1200 owners and users out there that wouldn' love to get a new case!

For instance, 110+ backers from the first campaign are still missing.

We're doing everything we can to spread the word from our end, but if these 477 people do the same, it'll be way more faster ;)

If Amigans want this to happen.. this is the time. Now!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on October 03, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
With 2/3rd completed and four weeks to go, that does sound pretty good considering a big wave of supporters typically come in the last two weeks.  That's when I plan to pledge as I don't really have a need for a A1200 case, I do want to see it this kickstarter completed and rolling.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: DutchinUSA on October 03, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
@ dammy :angel: :D

That's very cool of you to support even though you don't need a case !
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 03, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: dammy;796796
With 2/3rd completed and four weeks to go, that does sound pretty good considering a big wave of supporters typically come in the last two weeks.  That's when I plan to pledge as I don't really have a need for a A1200 case, I do want to see it this kickstarter completed and rolling.

Thanks for this outstanding support Dammy !
With open minded people like you are, we'll make it ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 11, 2015, 11:12:31 AM
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/004/606/628/f1356da29ba3fb2993589e5a2a5f9835_original.png?v=1443705033&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&)

Hi Guys,

The campaign is about to reach 70%, thanks to all of you!


 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds)It still needs a small push (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds), and we need all of you that did not supported the campaign yet.

This campaign, by making new Amiga 1200 cases with all included  benefits, is the first time in 20+ years that new housings are  manufactured for the Amiga 1200.

Hopefully this will also help the Amiga community to stop decaying, and  maybe even by getting long lost Amiga users back to it and start the  user base to grow again (with IC Reloaded motherboards).

As you already probably know, we're currently working on making new  Keycaps and new Keyboards as well. And we have a couple more hardware  projects as well (http://www.a1k.org/forum/images/smilies/images/smilies/01.gif)

So if you haven't contributed to the campaign yet (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds) on any reward and even if you don't need an Amiga 1200 case, you can always support it by getting the new Official Amiga Mugs !


As Amiga fans, your support is greatly appreciated.


Support the campaign here:
KICKSTARTER - New Amiga 1200 Cases (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on October 15, 2015, 07:44:28 AM
Hello Philippe, can we have more details about Special Edition colours?

It seems to me that the bright orange of the Red Sector SE is different about the purple (?) of the Skid Row SE, isn't it?

What about the dark grey Phenomena SE? Is that the same colour of the upper part of the Scoopex SE case?

Can you provide some International codes about colours you are going to use in the Special Edition cases??

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 15, 2015, 09:42:24 AM
@candyman,

All colours are different of course. There is no special edition have the same color of another.

Also, each Special Edition color is "reserved", meaning that these colors are not going to be available for you to choose for a regular case color for instance.

Indeed, all Special Edition cases are based on #RGB color codes our partners gave us.
But it is difficult to tell them appart from the illustrations.

When we'll put the real cases side by side, it'll be way more obvious.

I'm not sure we have the liberty to post the cases color codes without the demogroups & partners aknowledged first for that..

But you can be sure, all Special Edition cases do have their own personality ! ;)


@ALL,

Please review the Latest Campaign Update! (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds/posts/1375869)

Lots of informations in there, plus Vouchers & Coupons code all backers can redeem on http://www.thegamingwarehouse.com  (http://www.thegamingwarehouse.com) and  http://www.amigastore.eu !

New Special Edition:  

- PHENOMENA
- 010101 Music



Guys, the campaign need your support, it reached 73% already!


Cheers!
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on October 15, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
I understand but it would be very useful to have the possibility to compare the colours before pledging for a SE. If you know the exact colour we could choose without regrets.

For example I can't understand well if the Phenomena SE is more a dark grey or a very dark purple.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 15, 2015, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: candyman;797485
I understand but it would be very useful to have the possibility to compare the colours before pledging for a SE. If you know the exact colour we could choose without regrets.

For example I can't understand well if the Phenomena SE is more a dark grey or a very dark purple.


Maybe this can help ? (http://www.a1200.net/images/colorcomparison.png)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: candyman on October 15, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
Almost perfect (Scoopex missing) :P

MANY thanks! :)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on October 15, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
Quote from: candyman;797505
Almost perfect (Scoopex missing) :P

MANY thanks! :)

Because Scoopex is not available anymore.

Cheers ;)
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on October 21, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
A1200 case kickstarter is down to it's final 10 days and needs about $23K.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: dammy on October 29, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: dammy;797834
A1200 case kickstarter is down to it's final 10 days and needs about $23K.


Last two days are here, the goal has been met, and it's now a push to it's stretch goal.  Last chance to get one of those special cases is now.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: VingtTrois on June 16, 2016, 09:59:14 AM
After 11 months of waiting, still not seen the slightest trace of the molds and therefore the A1200 cases.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: lumi on June 16, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
Quote from: VingtTrois;810033
After 11 months of waiting, still not seen the slightest trace of the molds and therefore the A1200 cases.

Molds will be manufactured in 5-6 weeks according to the latest update on Kikstarter page an Facebook. Cases are going to be manufactured right after that. If you are supporter, you should know it already. Check http://www.indieretronews.com/.
Title: Re: Project: New (colored) case for A1200
Post by: amenophis on September 01, 2016, 06:49:44 AM
(https://scontent-sin6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13502113_1327733607255309_8409491032166228938_n.png?oh=2672c4849e8913c7a217253fe861e1bc&oe=5853CF13)


Dear all Amigans,


It has been some time since my last post on the forum and this is mainly due to my busy & tight schedule.

Hopefully you'll understand that i thought that posting updates and news from/to the KS update page is far more consistent as these updates are notified to backers directly as well.

Over the last month we've also published a new website (https://www.a1200.net) far more efficient than the previous one as well as the recent Youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/a1200net) which was created to host all projects videos.

As i'm certain some of you already know, Amiga 1200 molds manufacturing processes started already within our partner plant.

A 1min short video which covers the early tooling & milling is available on YOUTUBE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEnyiQRj_4).

We're aware of course that it might have been difficult for some of you to wait until now, but delays in KS campaign is not uncommon.
Therefore when we decided to actually induce delays it really was for the greater good and best quality cases.

For the Amiga 1200 cases to be of up-most quality we needed prototypes.
And first one came flawed.
The extra 4 months delay was necessary to fix these issues and double checking again on each and every technical specifications before handcrafting the second prototype.

When this new proto was available (T2), we went again on cross checking all technical details using T2 as a reference towards project's case general requirements.

Today we're happy to share with you the video showing the long awaited New Amiga 1200 case molds being tooled! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEnyiQRj_4)


Please note the following:



Of course all these steps are to be documented like we already started to with the molds being currently manufactured.

Some more photos & videos are expected.

Let's enjoy this short video.
We do apologize regarding video overall quality. It seems that video isn't  PM's forte (http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_smile.gif)
(still we did nicely asked him to try to do better for next videos)


YOUTUBE - Tooling & Milling Blocs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDEnyiQRj_4)



Now about the compatible Amiga keycaps campaign:

Keycaps campaign will start right after manufacturing of the Amiga cases.
Not much informations have been shared with you guys as of now regarding campaign content and this was on purpose :)

Because keycaps are also linked to new keyboards we had to find solutions regarding these keyboards to be of modern tech (to reduce costs) while keycaps would be universal.
So keycaps will work on all existing Amiga keyboards as well as the new coming keyboards.
Keyboards are not scheduled right after keycaps campaign as R&D is still in process. More on that when we'll be ready.
 

So what next?

Other Amiga related products are scheduled after keycaps campaign.
I'm sure you'll all agree when i say that Amiga came a long way and there's still a long way to go.
But things are changing and on our side the team is very happy working with our partner Amiga Inc which is confident in us since the beginning.


Thanks again to all of you who helped us make this happen!


Stay tuned for the next Update!


Cheers,
Phil