OOOOOOO….what could THIS be

[Wayne]

Ok.  Now I'm mad, and I've rewritten this about a dozen times, because -- like an argument you know you'll have with your wife when you get home -- I just knew that the moment that someone posted anything about Amiga's upcoming tablet, all the little negative cockroaches would scurry out from the cupboard to do anything they could to trash the idea.

As such, I've had time to get my proverbial blood ready to boil, and -- to no one's surprise -- sure enough, you guys are true to form in your bitching and moaning...

Suffice to say...  The Amiga "community" will never get it.  

If it's not a dead-ended, 10x overly-expensive PowerPC-based piece of crap, you guys will never accept anything that anyone does.  Even if it *is* the aforementioned piece of crap, you guys sit around here bitching about it and picking it apart until there's really no point any more.  

How many people have tried to bring anything to the table (including Genesi) only to get sick and tired of dealing with this rabid community and move their attentions elsewhere?

Seriously, it's no wonder that this community has pretty much been abandoned by anyone willing to invest real time, effort, and most importantly, money into any forward-looking venture.

Just to seem redundant, if not to push my point, this is EXACTLY why I told Bill not to even bother with posting it here when he let me in on their ideas and plans.

Time to face facts guys.  

Unless you're willing to be openly shafted by hobbyists trying to get your hard-earned money for antiquated toys (and oh boy I wish I cared enough to rip you all off -- erm, I mean develop said toys), the Antiquated Amiga (as most of you seem desperate to continually define it) is dead.  

Much like dog years, in computer terms, the Commodore Amiga platform is roughly 97 years old, having been forced to retire when Commodore died at age 70.  

Sure, there are some old boxes that refuse to die, but time isn't on their side, and let's face it, unless you're one of those people who have dozens of Amigas in your garage, when yours dies, there's probably a 99.9% chance that you'll just move on to a real computer.

I don't intend to slight those of you who like hanging out with your  grandparents (or in this case, their computer) but damn.  I mean..   damn..  

While I wish there were something more "Amiga" about an Android tablet, and even though I already own a far superior iPad, even *I* think that the move towards supporting Android is the right way to go for Amiga Inc.

Especially if they can eventually work to bring something new to the table and maybe even provide something unique for it, like a developer program, and (God forbid) community for it.

The way I see it, you can either be part of the problem, or part of the solution, and hell, even I'll probably toss in to buy an Amiga Android tablet, if for no other reason than to get in on the ground floor of developing for it.

It'll be cheap enough.

Are you so afraid of Amiga Inc actually producing anything that you're willing to suffer through getting nothing at all, or even worse, actively trying to destroy any chance they have of succeeding?

Really?

Wayne

[Wayne]

Well since those "involved" don't know what products they're actually intending to ship and one eagle-eyed resident has already identified the device, here's the specs:

Android 2.1 WIFI / 3G/ HDMI/ 1080P/ 3D GAME
Processor:Telechip Tcc8902 High-performance ARM 11 processors
Frequency 720MHz Support for hardware 2D/3D graphics acceleration
Memory : DDR2 256MB
Storage : Built-in flash memory 2GB Support extemal TF card,maximum capacity of 32GB
Wireless : IEEE802.11b/g wireless network
USB : USB1.1 high speed interface and USB2.0 OTG
Video Output: HDMI1.3 Full HD Video Output interface Analog AV composite video output interface
Audio : 3.5mm headphone jack
High-quality stereo loud speaker
Built-in microphone
Headset maximum output power of 40mW
Frequency response:20Hz-20KHz
SNR: greater than 90db
Size:7 inch
Resolution:WVGA 800*480
Color: 16milion colors
Operating: Resistive Touch Screen Single
Other : Size:193*115*14.3mm
Color:Black/White/Silver
Weight:350mg
Battery:Built-in lithium polymer battery 1400MAh
Accesories: Power adapter(output DC 9V/ 1.5A)
USB Cable

While they may look similar, those are not the correct specs.  From my understanding, they have three models.  A 7", either an 8" or 9" model, and a 10" model, all with better specs than that.

I would gladly show you the spec page, but I'm not sure it's ready for open pub yet, so until I'm asked, I'll have to simply say that you're wrong on this one Darrin.  Nice arm-chair quarterbacking though..

Wayne

[Wayne]

Wanye, Wayne, Wayne. What has happened to you :rolleyes:

I sought treatment for my Peter Pan syndrome, grew up, and realized that the Amiga is dead.

The Classic Amiga is far from dead. There is a lot happening at the moment in Amigaland.

delusions.

The upcoming Natami + the minimig

How is that not dead, outdated, and/or useless.  Where can I buy one on a store shelf of a major retailer?  Why would anyone (as a non fanboy) really want to?

Also there are lots of people investing in the Amiga community. What about DiscreetFX

Touche.

Aeon, Natami, Acube? I thinks these investors are genuine as they are well aware that they will make no profit from investing in the Amiga community.

... and how many of those three will actually end up producing anything for the 200 or so of you left, only 25-50 of which will actually buy ANYTHING?

As for your words about the Amiga community ripping itself to pieces i think you are wrong. We are defending what is truely Amiga while trying to keep people away who have no interest in what is truely Amiga and simply are trying to make a quick buck. These are the people ripping the Amiga community apart. I'm sorry Wayne but i think you are on the wrong side  

I can see your feelings on the matter, and even try my damnedest to understand them, but cannot agree.  

Especially from the outside looking in.  It just looks like a bunch of delusional fanboys out there praising "truly Amiga" when, in fact, most of you weren't even born in 1994.  

I can respect the fact that most of you actually like dicking around with antiquated, pain-in-the-arse systems.  Hey, Fleecy has his sheep, so I can accept that everyone's gotta have a hobby, but to sit here and trash Amiga Inc's even TRYING to do something (without anyone here even really knowing what it is yet) just smacks of drooling fanboyism, which -- when worshiping a platform that's been dead for 16 years -- I find kinda sad.

Sorry, I know it's trolling, and I realize that you pretty much think I'm both an idiot and crazy for wanting to move forward instead of looking backwards, but I just can't understand this dying devotion to a dead platform.

For 1985 through about 1992, it was the $#!&.  By 1995 when Newtek abandoned the platform, it was already being surpassed by even the PC. By 2002 with the invent of OS X, the Amiga platform had zero point zero chance of ever being anything more than a fading blip on the old "machine that goes ping" covered in spider webs in the corner.  Again, I get that some of you find it interesting to actually tinker with your toys, but I guess I've just gotten old and indifferent.

I actually have gotten to the point that I really don't like computers any more.  I don't like tinkering, I don't even really enjoy playing with Web sites any more, even though I still run/operate/own about a half-dozen or so.  It's just not my thing, so maybe I'm the wrong person to sit and read all this tripe about hobbyists companies coming out with crap no average computer user (read: non-fanboy) will ever bother with buying.

In the words of the immortal Emily Litella, as played by the incomparable Gilda Radner, "I don't get it".

Wayne

[Wayne]

I think you're on the wrong forum.

Maybe so.  Like I said some time ago, I got to a point in my life where I realized that if I hit a 300 million dollar lottery, it just wouldn't make any sense to invest a dime into anything Amiga-related.  Prior to about 2001, I don't honestly think I felt that way.

I just don't understand the context of trashing Amiga Inc for trying to head in what -- at least -- I think is the right direction while pedantically defending "teh true Amiga".

If everyone understands the reality of the situation, why the reticence to look forward and the nail-digging-into-the floor to keep from being drug into the future?

I say again.  Amiga Inc even looking into moving towards Android is a good thing.  No.  It's not "teh true Amiga" but -- as you just admitted -- you all really do know in your heart that "teh true Amiga" is a dead end.  

No one, whether AI, Genesi, or anyone else will ever (nor could they ever) build anything "Amiga" (to your definitions) that would ever satisfy any of you (or become a commercial success).

The SOLE potential exception to that rule would be if Amiga Inc would/could pull an "OS X" and ground up the Amiga philosophy into BSD on an open platform for sale.  

Take that "Amiga X" platform and combine it with Android's functionality, or even build an OS to run on an Android device, and I think they'd have something there.

[Wayne]

Yeah a bit extreme.  Generalist classification of "you guys". I stopped reading at that point.

You're right, with my apologies.  Like I said, I'd been waiting for about a week for all the fanboys to go on the offensive against AI and their Android tablet, so when it predictably happened, I probably over-reacted.

Absolutely nothing new there  

Wayne

Why go to all the trouble?

Being the optimist that I am (har de har har), I choose to hope that there's a bigger picture going on in the background than simply rebadging Korean tablets.   Then again, I guess I've been foolishly optimistic for about what... 20 years now, so I'm prone to hope for the best when it comes to "teh brand"..

How else could I feel bad when I get screwed over for my troubles?

[Wayne]

All this being said is probably just supporting evidence as to why I sold the site and (mostly) moved on.

I have zero interest in the Antique.  Only slightly more in Android tablets.

Suffice to say that I think you should all count your blessings that someone stepped forward to buy the site when they did, and you've got someone such as Bill P (who still believes) and Karlos around who actually give a damn enough to run it.

I still maintain that them (AI) at least trying to do something with Android is a good thing, but I do agree that "sticking a sticker on a generic tablet" doesn't really get anyone anything.  I've even said so much to McEwen.  

That being said, since I have zero interest in anything antiquated, the only option left for me in this arena is to hope or believe that McEwen et, al are trying to accomplish something bigger than simple rebadging.

What I don't get is.. who this "icontain" group?   Since it's "Amiga by iContain", how much actual control to McEwen and company even have over anything any more?

Wayne

[Wayne]

I can only suspect site is now owned by A Inc or a close supporter of them reading your drivel.

Then you sir, are an idiot.  

I have no horse in this race.  I stick around here simply because I've been here since day one.  Erm, scratch that.  BEFORE day zero, back when Amiga.org was just a dream and all we had was the single-line NASAU Beach BBS..  I *used* to be one of the aforementioned Amiga zealots, then I grew up and realized that there would never be anything new and moved on.  I'm NOT trying to suggest immaturity on the part of anyone who still loves the Amiga, I just don't get it any more.  Nothing (IMHO) wrong with that.

I'm a self-professed "Apple Fanboy" now for a lot of reasons.  The first and foremost being that they're hella good machines that I don't have to stress and dinker with to get to work.  

The current iMac on my desk is very much what Amiga SHOULD HAVE become, and even could have if only people had listened 11 years ago.

Real plug and play.  You plug something into the mac.  If it doesn't work, 99.9% chance it's broke.  a 27" backlit monitor, 3.06 ghz speed, and I mean REAL speed, as opposed to "hampered by Windows speed" and an excellent software base as well as community.

If anything, I'm just frustrated by the legions of missed opportunities to wash away the stink that is the "classic" since the Gateway days, and it frustrates me to see the blindly devoted "Amiga" worshipers happily trash anything that doesn't run classic (not to mention 20-year-old) (cr)apps.

Look.  I know that most of you think futzing with the Amigas is fun.  If I offend anyone with my tirades, I apologize, and yes, I may be an idiot to most of you, but at least you can't accuse me of not being honest with how I feel about it.

Do I think that Amiga-branded chinese knockoff Android tablets are the best idea ever?  Nope.  Unlike most people here though, I am however willing to sit back and watch AI try to run with it and see if they can actually do anything unique before I start trashing them for their efforts.

Wayne