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Title: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 17, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
I searched and didn't find any such threads...
 
For everyone who has hooked up their Amiga to a monitor/ TV, please...please, share how you did it, so others can do the same thing without buying a monitor only to find out that they have to return it.
 
1) Which Amiga do you have? 500, 1000, 1200?
 
2) Which monitor, TV are you using? Model #?
 
3) Did you use an adapter? Which one?
 
4) How did you get everything to work together?
 
5) Please share pics.
 
This thread can be a collection for all the info, rather than scattered on the forum.
 
As for me, I have an Amiga 500 and am currently looking for a flatscreen TV for it. If I find anything that works, I'll share it, as well.
 
Thanks!
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 17, 2011, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668194
I searched and didn't find any such threads...
 
For everyone who has hooked up their Amiga to a monitor/ TV, please...please, share how you did it, so others can do the same thing without buying a monitor only to find out that they have to return it.
 
1) Which Amiga do you have? 500, 1000, 1200?
 
All

Quote
2) Which monitor, TV are you using? Model #?
 
Amiga 1084S, NEC Multisync 75

Quote
3) Did you use an adapter? Which one?
 
1084S requires NO adapter whatsoever and it supports all Amiga 500 modes.
NEC Multisync 75 requires a flickerfixer.  It supports all Amiga FlickerFixer video modes.
I can play any NTSC or PAL game on either monitor.

Quote
4) How did you get everything to work together?
 
plug & play 5 minutes
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: marcfrick2112 on November 17, 2011, 07:35:25 PM
Hey there, Well I feel this is a great thread idea! Esp, if we could amass a single master list of all known Amiga-compatible monitors!

I have a 20" Toshiba TIMM MM20E45 TV/multisync monitor with built-in speakers, and even a subwoofer!

BRIEF DESCRIPTION     An Amiga compatible 20 inch (500mm) combination multisync monitor and television set.  The horizontal scan rates for the RGB monitor are from 15kHz to 40kHz with vertical scan rates of 50-90Hz. 15kHz NTSC composite and SVHS video inputs along with built in stereo sound complete the feature set.

I managed to con my dad into buying it originally for my heavily-expanded
Amiga 500... It cost $500.00 , which was a great deal back then for a 20"

As for getting it to work... I just used a standard 15-pin VGA cable, and a standard
Commodore silver VGA adapter. Funny, when the monitor arrived, there was NO cable,
 I called Toshiba, they said they don't ship cables anymore with them,
 but happily FedEx'd me a VGA cable for free! Good Company.

One thing, tho, the TIMM needs a Sync Strainer adapter for Toaster use.

  Gotta say, this monitor is the BOMB! True Multisync, handles any resoulution you can throw at it,
about the only monitor that I can safely risk using MonEd with...
I have moved my TIMM to whatever the most capable Amiga in the house is!
Sorry, the pic isn't that great.... but it IS just a big beige box, anyway..
I thought my feeble A1200T's Workbench might be a better pic!
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 17, 2011, 07:46:01 PM
Sharp LC42DH77E works fine with VGA and SCART. It syncs down to 15KHz.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: mrmoonlight on November 17, 2011, 08:10:35 PM
Hi i have a Amiga 1200 and i use a scart lead bought from Amigakit ,and it is connected to a 19inch hd ready  dolby digital bush tv and its a brilliant picture ,best wishes Brian.:laughing:
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Nostalgiac on November 17, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
30" Dell top-screen (model from 2010) connected via VGA to my A2000 with A2320 and C64-3D delivers a brilliant pic (not filling the entire width of the screen though)

Tom UK
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: scuzzb494 on November 17, 2011, 08:48:44 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668194
I searched and didn't find any such threads...
 
For everyone who has hooked up their Amiga to a monitor/ TV, please...please, share how you did it, so others can do the same thing without buying a monitor only to find out that they have to return it.
 
1) Which Amiga do you have? 500, 1000, 1200?
 
2) Which monitor, TV are you using? Model #?
 
3) Did you use an adapter? Which one?
 
4) How did you get everything to work together?
 
5) Please share pics.
 
This thread can be a collection for all the info, rather than scattered on the forum.
 
As for me, I have an Amiga 500 and am currently looking for a TV for it. If I find anything that works. I'll share it, as well.
 
Thanks!

1: I have every Amiga model of computer... Many times.
2: Native I use a Microvitec... A4000s use a Picasso IV and Mitsubishi or IIyima
3: No adaptors ... I just plug the Amiga or Graphics card into the monitor
4: I just plugged it in, though the Picasso uses software.

Monitors:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz43.htm
Microvitec: Mitsubishi: Iiyima:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz328.htm
1084s Checkmate:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/a_scuzz_may22/a_scuzz_jun06_02.jpg
A1200: Microvitec
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz55f.htm
A500: Philips
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz91.htm

PS You will not really get a stock Amiga to run on a PC monitor without a graphics card.

PPS Composite Jack: The Amiga was a video editing tool of the late 80s early 90s

A1200:

VIDEO port A 23-pin male port for attaching an analog RGB
monitor to view the Amiga`s video output
COMP jack An RCA jack for attaching a composite video
monitor or connecting a vido cassette recorder.
RF MODULATOR An RCA jack for connecting to a television.
The associated controls vary depending on whether the Amiga
is NTSC or PAL

VIDEO
VIDEO port Analog RGB monitor (multiscan/15kHz/VGA/SVGA)
Television with SCART connection
RGB monitors
Multiscan A Multiscan ( multiple horizontal scan rate or
"multi-sync" ) RGB monitor provides the greatest flexibility
A multiscan monitor is required if you wish to use display modes
that have different horizontal scan rates
A 15 kHz analog RGB monitor can display only the Amiga`s
default display mode and other 15 kHz scan rate modes
A VGA or SVGA type monitor can display the Amiga`s
de-interlaced and higher resolution modes, but not the standard
15 kHz video modes
SCART With the proper adaptor cable, a television with a
SCART input can be used as a 15 kHz RGB Monitor.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 06:48:08 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668195
All
 
Amiga 1084S, NEC Multisync 75
 
1084S requires NO adapter whatsoever and it supports all Amiga 500 modes.
NEC Multisync 75 requires a flickerfixer. It supports all Amiga FlickerFixer video modes.
I can play any NTSC or PAL game on either monitor.
 
plug & play 5 minutes

Wow! Thanks for the super clear info! I saw there's a flickerfixer/scan doubler on amigakit.com. But, it's 120 GBP...that's $190 US! Damn. Do you recommend any particular flickerfixer?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
Quote from: marcfrick2112;668196
Hey there, Well I feel this is a great thread idea! Esp, if we could amass a single master list of all known Amiga-compatible monitors!
 
I have a 20" Toshiba TIMM MM20E45 TV/multisync monitor with built-in speakers, and even a subwoofer!
 
BRIEF DESCRIPTION     An Amiga compatible 20 inch (500mm) combination multisync monitor and television set. The horizontal scan rates for the RGB monitor are from 15kHz to 40kHz with vertical scan rates of 50-90Hz. 15kHz NTSC composite and SVHS video inputs along with built in stereo sound complete the feature set.
 
I managed to con my dad into buying it originally for my heavily-expanded
Amiga 500... It cost $500.00 , which was a great deal back then for a 20"
 
As for getting it to work... I just used a standard 15-pin VGA cable, and a standard
Commodore silver VGA adapter. Funny, when the monitor arrived, there was NO cable,
I called Toshiba, they said they don't ship cables anymore with them,
but happily FedEx'd me a VGA cable for free! Good Company.
 
One thing, tho, the TIMM needs a Sync Strainer adapter for Toaster use.
 
Gotta say, this monitor is the BOMB! True Multisync, handles any resoulution you can throw at it,
about the only monitor that I can safely risk using MonEd with...
I have moved my TIMM to whatever the most capable Amiga in the house is!
Sorry, the pic isn't that great.... but it IS just a big beige box, anyway..
I thought my feeble A1200T's Workbench might be a better pic!

I don't know anything about the TIMM, and I couldn't find any pics online. My work computer wouldn't let me view your pic.
 
Anyway, it sounds like a bit of a rare monitor. Is it? I'm glad you found such a great monitor!
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 07:11:20 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;668212
1: I have every Amiga model of computer... Many times.
2: Native I use a Microvitec... A4000s use a Picasso IV and Mitsubishi or IIyima
3: No adaptors ... I just plug the Amiga or Graphics card into the monitor
4: I just plugged it in, though the Picasso uses software.
 
Monitors:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz43.htm
Microvitec: Mitsubishi: Iiyima:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz328.htm
1084s Checkmate:
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/a_scuzz_may22/a_scuzz_jun06_02.jpg
A1200: Microvitec
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz55f.htm
A500: Philips
http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz91.htm
 
PS You will not really get a stock Amiga to run on a PC monitor without a graphics card.
 
PPS Composite Jack: The Amiga was a video editing tool of the late 80s early 90s
Quote

Damn. You're a serious Amigan. I peeped the links. Very informative and inspiring. What you said about emulators was intriguing.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 18, 2011, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;668212
PS You will not really get a stock Amiga to run on a PC monitor without a graphics card.

Wrong!

I have been using PC monitors on my Amigas without any silly graphics card since 1990!

It is called a FlickerFixer.  It requires no drivers, no software and no problems and works with any normal PC monitor.  FlickerFixer = 1000% compatible.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 07:27:39 PM
Quote from: mrmoonlight;668204
Hi i have a Amiga 1200 and i use a scart lead bought from Amigakit ,and it is connected to a 19inch hd ready dolby digital bush tv and its a brilliant picture ,best wishes Brian.:laughing:

Which SCART did you buy? There are a few...
 
Quote from: Lord Aga;668199
Sharp LC42DH77E works fine with VGA and SCART. It syncs down to 15KHz.
You didn't have to use a flickerfixer?  Which SCART/VGA kit did you use? Where did you get it? Amigamaniac has an adapter as well...
 
 
Thanks, guys! You mind posting the specs/resolution of those TVs? I'm in the US...
 
Also, I found another VGA kit here: http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=220215113&sellerid=18700237 Well, for those in the US, this might be easier.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 07:33:10 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668347
Wrong!
 
I have been using PC monitors on my Amigas without any silly graphics card since 1990!
 
It is called a FlickerFixer. It requires no drivers, no software and no problems and works with any normal PC monitor. FlickerFixer = 1000% compatible.

Do you recommend any flickerfixers? What do you recommend for an Amiga 500?
 
Would this flickerfixer work for every Amiga model?
 
Amigakit.com has a flickerfixer, but it's internal. I'd rather not open up my computer if an external flickerfixer is available...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Thorham on November 18, 2011, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;668212
PS You will not really get a stock Amiga to run on a PC monitor without a graphics card.
Yes you can. I use a combination of a Commodore VGA adapter (my VGA CRT syncs down to 49 hrtz/29 khz) and a video box (which I've had already). The VGA adapter is great for productivity and the video box, while not very good with composite, is still good for games and demos.

People who aren't interested in 15 khz stuff only need a VGA adapter (ECS and AGA).
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 18, 2011, 07:57:39 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668349

You didn't have to use a flickerfixer?  Which SCART/VGA kit did you use? Where did you get it? Amigamaniac has an adapter as well...
 
Thanks, guys! You mind posting the specs/resolution of those TVs? I'm in the US...


No flickerfixer. Sharp LC42DH77E syncs down to Amiga frequencies. And it's just like plugging in a generic PC to a PC monitor. Ordinary VGA cable. Took one from my PC monitor actually. Of course you need RGB to VGA dongle for the Amiga end.
It is a 42 inch, full HD 1080p TV. Supports 50, 60 and 100 Hz.
But being a SCART equipped TV, I don't know if this model is on sale in the US.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 08:38:52 PM
I just made a call to Sharp about their flatscreen TVs with S-video inputs.
 
Here are three models and a link to where you can buy them, or at least see a pic:
Sharp LCD19D44U 19" manufactured in 2008
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC19D44U-19-Inch-720p/dp/B000WA3N8Y
 
Sharp LC20D42U 20" 2007
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/details/462333803
 
Sharp LC26D42U, LC26D43U  26" 2008
http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC26D43U-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000NJDGMW
 
I'll have to search other sites and other brands...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 18, 2011, 08:44:50 PM
Quote from: Lord Aga;668356
No flickerfixer. Sharp LC42DH77E syncs down to Amiga frequencies. And it's just like plugging in a generic PC to a PC monitor. Ordinary VGA cable. Took one from my PC monitor actually. Of course you need RGB to VGA dongle for the Amiga end.
It is a 42 inch, full HD 1080p TV. Supports 50, 60 and 100 Hz.
But being a SCART equipped TV, I don't know if this model is on sale in the US.
The instruction manual says it only works with 60hz.
And it only lists 31.5Khz and up for the VGA port.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 18, 2011, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668363
The instruction manual says it only works with 60hz.
And it only lists 31.5Khz and up for the VGA port.

I'm a real rookie, so please pardon me. But, does the khz matter if it's going through an RBG adapter? When I called Sharp, the customer service rep said the Khz doesn't matter, just the resolution.
 
Is this true? Does ONLY the S-video input matter?
 
Here's a list of different LCDs with S-vid input:
http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/?filter=1104537_5000985_500961_113205_500963_20611511_&tag=mncol;dir3
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 18, 2011, 09:10:08 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668367
I'm a real rookie, so please pardon me. But, does the khz matter if it's going through an RBG adapter? When I called Sharp, the customer service rep said the Khz doesn't matter, just the resolution.
 
Is this true? Does ONLY the S-video input matter?
 
Here's a list of different LCDs with S-vid input:
http://reviews.cnet.com/tvs/?filter=1104537_5000985_500961_113205_500963_20611511_&tag=mncol;dir3

Amigas do not produce S-Video.

If Amigas did make S-Video it would be all blurry like all S-Video is.

Amigas produce RGB crystal clear video on the RGB port which connects to the VGA port of the TV/Monitor.  On the VGA port, the Khz matters a lot.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: desiv on November 18, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668367
But, does the khz matter if it's going through an RBG adapter?

Yes, it matters.
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668367
When I called Sharp, the customer service rep said the Khz doesn't matter, just the resolution.

They were wrong.
In their defense, I'm sure the device works with most modern devices that use standard plugs.

That being said, I've read where people hook up Amiga's to devices that supposedly don't scan down to 15khz, and yet they work.  So some "specs" are probably what they will "support", but not necessarily what they are limited to...

For me, I have 3 Amigas currently.
Amiga 1000 - 1084S monitor
Amiga 1200 - 1084S monitor (I have 2 1084s monitors)
Amiga 500 - depends ;-)
I have an Amigamaniac svideo adapter, which works great, and I use that sometimes to hook it up to my TVs in s-video.
Works great, but none of my TVs support PAL, so it won't do 60Hz.

It's awkward bringing the Amiga out to the living room tho, so I'll probably get an svideo - RCA cable and use it on my 1702 monitor with my Vic-20.  ;-)

desiv
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: desiv on November 18, 2011, 09:20:29 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668368
If Amigas did make S-Video it would be all blurry like all S-Video is.

You apparently haven't seen the screenshots of Amiga's running s-video that are posted elsewhere here.
They are very sharp...
Search for some of Cammy's screenshots of her Amiga with amigamaniac's s-video adapter.

desiv
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 18, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668363
The instruction manual says it only works with 60hz.
And it only lists 31.5Khz and up for the VGA port.


Nopity nope :)
Well it HAS to do 50 Hz. It's a European PAL TV. It also does 60 Hz and 100 Hz. Tested with my PC.
And I don't have any flicker fixers on my A1200 and A600 :) So it does 15 KHz. Kickstart screen and everything :)

Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668367
I'm a real rookie, so please pardon me. But, does the khz matter if it's going through an RBG adapter? When I called Sharp, the customer service rep said the Khz doesn't matter, just the resolution.


Told ya they wouldn't know :) If you can, it is best to take your Amiga to the store and try it out.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 18, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: Lord Aga;668371
Nopity nope :)
Well it HAS to do 50 Hz. It's a European PAL TV. It also does 60 Hz and 100 Hz. Tested with my PC.
And I don't have any flicker fixers on my A1200 and A600 :) So it does 15 KHz. Kickstart screen and everything :)
Ok I am glad u double clarified things. :)

What we can surmise from this is that either:
A: The ppl who write instruction manuals at Sharp are idiots.
or
B: Someone at Sharp forgot to activate the Sabotage code that disables the 15Khz compatibility.

I wish to Huelsbeck you had a 50 inch version of that monitor (or 55 inch :) because I would try to buy one right now.

But as it is only 42 inches....  I am thinking about it...

Have u ever connected ur windoze pc to ur 42" monitor/TV?  How did it look?

The reason I ask is because the review I just read claims that the triangular pixels make it not the best choice for pc usage.  PC usage is the main reason I want a large LCD monitor.  Secondly I want to be able to connect my Amiga up to it.

The review also said that ur monitor does not do free deinterlacing, even tho the previous model did. (?!?)

I suppose it is too old to have an LED backlight?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 18, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
Well, I'm flipping through the pages of the HUGE manual, and it indeed says 60Hz / 31KHz on VGA.
But in their defence, it is titled "PC compatibility chart". As in: "we didn't list the non-PC stuff" :)

It is hooked to my PC. I use it for 1080p movies. The picture is nice and clear. But the dot pitch is enormous. So you will notice that long before the triangular, rectangular or hexagonal (long live the History Line !) pixels. Depends on how far you are from the screen. And from personal preferences I guess... I find the picture great.

I don't quite remember about deinterlacing :( "How is that possible?" you ask :D Well, I tried out all possible resolutions and modes (the TV has many picture modes) when I got the TV. So I tried a gazzilion combinations, and don't remember squat. Just settled for default res Workbench. My A1200 is dismantled for retr0brighting at the moment, but I can fire up my A600 in the morning and test it. Was about time to try out all those stuff I transfered to CF card anyway...

It doesn't have LED.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: motrucker on November 18, 2011, 10:28:43 PM
I see a couple of people have finally noticed that there is a huge difference between European and North American systems. Some options just don't  cross the Atlantic well (if at all). This really needs to be taken into consideration!
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: marcfrick2112 on November 18, 2011, 11:08:12 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668343
I don't know anything about the TIMM, and I couldn't find any pics online. My work computer wouldn't let me view your pic.
 
Anyway, it sounds like a bit of a rare monitor. Is it? I'm glad you found such a great monitor!

Hmm, sounds like your work PC is acting up, I had little trouble finding info about it...
I would say it's an uncommon monitor, in PC circles.... For Amigans? Let's just say I knew a guy (hard-core Toaster/Flyer nut) who owns *5* of these monitors!

The last year that GenCon (gaming/fantasy expo) was held in Milw. They had an Amiga classic gaming area... 6 A1200's set up with 6 matching TIMM monitors.. :drools:
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: branney on November 18, 2011, 11:28:28 PM
Toshiba 40" 1080p TV, via RF cable (just like the old days!)

the size of screen instantly made me somehow better at Road Rash than when i was 16 :)
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: mechy on November 18, 2011, 11:30:57 PM
Dell st2420L here.. works with all 15khz+ amigas just hook it to the dell with the C= silver rgb to vga adapter. works great on mediator setups also,feed the stock amiga video to the vga port and the radeon to the other port. 1 monitor solution.

sl2320L,st2320L also work.its led backlight too!

mech
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 19, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668373

The review also said that ur monitor does not do free deinterlacing, even tho the previous model did. (?!?)


Regarding deinterlacing...
Well, it does and it doesn't :D
For instance, in GAME mode it doesn't do deinterlacing. So, it behaves just like a, say, 1084 monitor.
In NORMAL mode it does deinterlace, and the hi res WB picture is beautiful. But it has an annoying lag. Cursor moves like on a rubber string. So, maybe for looking at pics. But it is really annoying for work.

Well, I still have to test my ViewSonic VX2235wm PC monitor. Maybe I'll get lucky with it :) Or at least test productivity modes with my A1200...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 22, 2011, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: Lord Aga;668456
Regarding deinterlacing...
Well, it does and it doesn't :D
For instance, in GAME mode it doesn't do deinterlacing. So, it behaves just like a, say, 1084 monitor.
In NORMAL mode it does deinterlace, and the hi res WB picture is beautiful. But it has an annoying lag. Cursor moves like on a rubber string. So, maybe for looking at pics. But it is really annoying for work.
 
Well, I still have to test my ViewSonic VX2235wm PC monitor. Maybe I'll get lucky with it :) Or at least test productivity modes with my A1200...

Have you had a chance to try that ViewSonic VX2235wm? I'm curious how that worked out.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Lord Aga on November 22, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
Not yet. I was plannig to wait until I put back together my A1200, since (I think) only AGA can do productivity (VGA) modes. It is dismantled for retr0brighting at the moment. But the sun is getting scarse now :(
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: motrucker on November 22, 2011, 06:15:41 PM
The old Commodore Amiga monitors, such as the 1080 and 1084, are still available used in the U.S..
These work quite well on A1000 and A500 computers with no adapters - just plug them in.
I still use a A1000 with a 1080 Amiga monitor that has great color display. It is on the small side at about 15".
I just picked a 1080 up at a flea market for $15.00. These can also work great for older Commodore C-128 systems.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: dougal on November 22, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
I was using a Commodore 1084S D-2 until about 1 month ago.

Then got a scan doubler and was using a 17" CRT SVGA monitor

Now i got an LG 20" LCD TV. Amiga is connected via Scart (no scandoubler) and gives a great display. Though interlaced modes still flicker.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: amigadave on November 22, 2011, 08:15:55 PM
For anyone needing a great monitor for their stock Amiga computer, I have 3 20" TIMM monitors and would like to sell one or two of them.  They will only display up to 800x600 resolution, but they sync down to 15kHz, or up to 31kHz and have a standard VGA input for RGB, plus Composite and RCA sound inputs with a built-in TV tuner w/Coaxial input.

They are really too big and heavy to make shipping practical, so local pickup is a must, but I might be able to meet you half way with one of them, if you don't live too far away from me in Southern California.

It is one of the best CRT monitors you can get for standard Amiga frequencies and resolution and having a 20" monitor, instead of a 13" 1080, or 1084 is a whole new Amiga experience.

PMail me here, or send me an email at earthlink dot net.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 23, 2011, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: ChaosLord;668347
Wrong!

I have been using PC monitors on my Amigas without any silly graphics card since 1990!

It is called a FlickerFixer.  It requires no drivers, no software and no problems and works with any normal PC monitor.  FlickerFixer = 1000% compatible.


Where'd you get it? I'm looking for one on amiga-hardware.com but I don't think that site is maintained--there's no cart to buy anything...

I may need a flicker fixer.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: utri007 on November 23, 2011, 09:48:09 AM
European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: dougal on November 23, 2011, 11:50:20 AM
Quote from: utri007;668772
European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.


My 20" LCD TV with SCART still flickers during interlaced screens (eg: workbench interlaced, Team17 logo etc..)

Everything else works fine.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Snoozy on November 23, 2011, 12:54:42 PM
Quote from: dougal;668780
My 20" LCD TV with SCART still flickers during interlaced screens (eg: workbench interlaced, Team17 logo etc..)
 
Everything else works fine.

Maybe this is more to do with it being an LG tv than anything else :roflmao:
 
I've got a Samsung 40" led tv and Samsung 32" lcd and both give crystal clear images via scart. :)
 
Although for reasons i can't explain i get a minimal buzzing noise on WB on my 40" led although this might just be due to the corresponding Samsung surround sound system?! Doesn't affect any games that are loaded up - maybe its just the over sensitivity of my set-up? :)
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 23, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Quote from: Lord Aga;668371
Nopity nope :)
Well it HAS to do 50 Hz. It's a European PAL TV. It also does 60 Hz and 100 Hz. Tested with my PC.
And I don't have any flicker fixers on my A1200 and A600 :) So it does 15 KHz. Kickstart screen and everything :)

I'm looking at this model VIZIO M220VA (http://www.vizio.com/review/product/list/id/188/#ratings). It's a decent price, good size, and has VGA. But, customer service says it only goes down to 31.5khz. I think you're right Aga--I will have to bring my Amiga to a store and test out different TVs.
 
Geez. I think I'll skip the s-video adapter.
 
I did a little reading online, and I've read that VGA will give a better picture than S-video. Either way, I feel I have more options in TVs with a VGA adapter, rather than s-video.
 
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: dougal on November 24, 2011, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Snoozy;668783
Maybe this is more to do with it being an LG tv than anything else :roflmao:
 
I've got a Samsung 40" led tv and Samsung 32" lcd and both give crystal clear images via scart. :)
 
Although for reasons i can't explain i get a minimal buzzing noise on WB on my 40" led although this might just be due to the corresponding Samsung surround sound system?! Doesn't affect any games that are loaded up - maybe its just the over sensitivity of my set-up? :)


My LCD display is crystal clear too, just the interlaced modes still flicker. I tried my Amiga on my Toshiba 32" telly and it was flicker free. I guess the LG has no de-interlacer or whatever.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: dougal on November 24, 2011, 07:42:15 AM
Here is my monitor/tv setup. LG 20" LCD TV via SCART.

The display is actually much better in real life then it looks in the pics. Since i took the pics i have adjusted the brightness and set the overscan.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on November 25, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
Quote from: dougal;668884
Here is my monitor/tv setup. LG 20" LCD TV via SCART.
 
The display is actually much better in real life then it looks in the pics. Since i took the pics i have adjusted the brightness and set the overscan.

Nice. Good job! Which LG is that? Any adapters?
 
Well, I'm glad you guys have SCART. Here in the US, we don't have that. It appears 15-pin VGA is a standard connection, and s-vid can still be found on TVs as recently made as three years ago...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 25, 2011, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: desiv;668370
You apparently haven't seen the screenshots of Amiga's running s-video that are posted elsewhere here.
They are very sharp...
They can be as sharp as they want.

But they cannot be as sharp as RGB/VGA.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: ChaosLord on November 25, 2011, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668769
Where'd you get it? I'm looking for one on amiga-hardware.com but I don't think that site is maintained--there's no cart to buy anything...

I may need a flicker fixer.

In the 80's I sold the Microway Flickerfixer.  But as soon as I found out it was NTSC-ONLY I declared it to be evil and stopped selling them.

In 1990 I got a flickerfixer built in for free inside my A3000.  It even has a VGA port and everything.

Eventually I bought a used A1200 that had a flickerfixer preinstalled.  It is a DCE ScanMagic that seems to work on all PAL/NTSC/Euro36 modes.
It even works in SUPERHIRES MODE!  1280x512!  It supports all 16 Million of the Amiga's colors.  It only works on A1200/A4000.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: alphagemini on November 26, 2011, 08:14:22 AM
Quote from: utri007;668772
European users has a better situation tha US users, because of SCART connector wich is widely used standard here in Europe.

Any LCD TV work just fine with scart and has a solid rock flicker free picture with it. No need to have scandoubler or flickerfixers.

I've Samsung 19" LCD TV, I've connecter two amigas to it, my number one systen is connected via VGA and Compostie connector and second through scart.
Thanks for the post. I have an Amiga 4000/040 and my monitor has packed up. Where did you get the connector to go from your Amiga to the telly?

regards

Alphagemini
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: klx300r on November 26, 2011, 02:21:25 PM
well I have a 1084s which still works great with my 500 but nothing beats the Indivision AGA flicker fixer from Jens on my 1200 as it rocks all modern monitors
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: The_Gooze on November 26, 2011, 10:38:35 PM
Just to say that my A1200 is still connected to my Microvitec 1438. Screen is very curved as they were in those days but it still works.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on December 13, 2011, 06:35:56 PM
I just got a 23-pin RGB to 15-pin VGA from Vesalia.de
http://www.vesalia.de/e_amigamonitorcables[6248].htm
 
I haven't connected anything yet, but I have my TV and my cables. I hope it works! Either way, it appears that Vesalia is a good place to get stuff. Very quick shipping.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on December 13, 2011, 06:37:57 PM
Quote from: klx300r;669084
well I have a 1084s which still works great with my 500 but nothing beats the Indivision AGA flicker fixer from Jens on my 1200 as it rocks all modern monitors

I tried searching, but I didn't find anything from Jens that appears to a live site. Can you post a link, please?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on December 13, 2011, 06:40:37 PM
Quote from: klx300r;669084
well I have a 1084s which still works great with my 500 but nothing beats the Indivision AGA flicker fixer from Jens on my 1200 as it rocks all modern monitors

What the-? I just found it on amigakit but it's 130 GBP! That's a bit expensive... And no housing? Any other options anyone knows of?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: utri007 on December 13, 2011, 09:54:36 PM
@alphagemini

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on December 27, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
Well, I tried hooking up my Amiga 500 to my Vizio E260MV, and it doesn't work. I called customer service and Vizio said that the TV auto-syncs. I hooked it up via 23-pin RBG to 15-pin VGA. I got nothing...
 
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on January 04, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
I suppose I'll just have to get a 13" Acer or something...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: SquirrelM@ster on January 11, 2012, 05:22:13 PM
I just found a scan doubler...anyone familiar with this site?
 
http://www.ambery.com/rgbcgatovgac.html
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: runequester on January 11, 2012, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;675377
I just found a scan doubler...anyone familiar with this site?
 
http://www.ambery.com/rgbcgatovgac.html


I used to have one of those before it died during a move.

It's decent. You'll get some very slight ghosting for stuff like workbench letters, and it's not 1000% smooth for scrolling games but its very workable, and we never had a problem with it, playing 2 player games and whatnot.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: zipper on January 11, 2012, 05:54:28 PM
Just got a new 27" BenQ GL2750HM monitor. Quick testing on Windows gave 50 to 82 Hz but higher end of resolutions may give out of range messages. 320x200@50 Hz is the lowest I tried - pretty bad looking  when scaled to 1920x1080...
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: psxphill on January 11, 2012, 06:04:32 PM
Quote from: zipper;675382
Just got a new 27" BenQ GL2750HM monitor. Quick testing on Windows gave 50 to 82 Hz but higher end of resolutions may give out of range messages. 320x200@50 Hz is the lowest I tried - pretty bad looking when scaled to 1920x1080...

Was 320x200 at 15khz? Usually PC's output that mode at 31khz and double each line.
 
Big tv's make old computers look really bad, because you're supposed to use a 14 inch crt.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: runequester on January 11, 2012, 06:04:58 PM
Quote from: mechy;668387
Dell st2420L here.. works with all 15khz+ amigas just hook it to the dell with the C= silver rgb to vga adapter. works great on mediator setups also,feed the stock amiga video to the vga port and the radeon to the other port. 1 monitor solution.

sl2320L,st2320L also work.its led backlight too!

mech


You've tested the ST2320L ? It'll display PAL modes?
Through straight VGA?


 Reason I ask is they still sell that one through dell.com and I have a bit of spare money to get this.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: zipper on January 11, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
Quote from: psxphill;675385
Was 320x200 at 15khz? Usually PC's output that mode at 31khz and double each line.


That's possible, couldn't check it yet.
...Ok, via VGA it seems to start @ about 23 kHz, so froliced too early.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Gazbonk on January 11, 2012, 08:30:17 PM
I have an A4000D 060 with a cybervision & a flicker fixer that goes through a HP 22" monitor that works good (VGA).
I also run my PC through the same monitor using DVI, when using the A600 or A1200 I put them through a USB Easycap dongle using the software supplied http://www.amazon.co.uk/Easycap-Capture-Adapter-Supports-Professional-software/dp/B002BX4WSA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1326313611&sr=8-2 does the job and its a cheap (recordable) alternative.

 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=capture+card+easycap&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=15928109628&ref=pd_sl_7wm2ua7jg6_b) (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=easycap&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=easycap&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=4QQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=h-8NT7LKMcbE4gSNzYS1Bg&ved=0CGoQrQQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a278740372b00e1a&biw=1185&bih=631)
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: Ancalimon on January 11, 2012, 08:34:04 PM
Isn't there a "single" multisync monitor that can do proper 15khz 50hz that's still in production and affordable for retro hardware users?  Aren't we a profitable enough group?
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: zipper on January 11, 2012, 10:07:47 PM
Look at those Dells, earlier this thread.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: alphagemini on February 18, 2012, 05:40:39 PM
Quote from: SquirrelM@ster;668194
I searched and didn't find any such threads...
 
For everyone who has hooked up their Amiga to a monitor/ TV, please...please, share how you did it, so others can do the same thing without buying a monitor only to find out that they have to return it.
 
1) Which Amiga do you have? 500, 1000, 1200?
 
2) Which monitor, TV are you using? Model #?
 
3) Did you use an adapter? Which one?
 
4) How did you get everything to work together?
 
5) Please share pics.
 
This thread can be a collection for all the info, rather than scattered on the forum.
 
As for me, I have an Amiga 500 and am currently looking for a flatscreen TV for it. If I find anything that works, I'll share it, as well.
 
Thanks![/QUOTE

I have an Amiga 4000/040. My monitor died. I have replaced it with a bog standard flatscreen lcd television from Curry's. Its called Curry's Essentials model number C16LDIB11A. It works better than the original thing and costs about £80. It needed a SCART cable which I bought from the nice people at AmigaKit. The telly comes with a converter to make the SCART connection go from large to little. No bother an no nerdy stuff, just plug it in and go.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: runequester on February 18, 2012, 05:46:25 PM
As probably mentioned by others, the Dell ST2320L will work, and works great.
 
I actually have both PC and amiga hooked up to it (amiga through vga adapter, pc through DVI-D or whatever on earth it's called). Its a great monitor, and no fiddling about.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: InTheSand on February 19, 2012, 04:03:01 AM
Quote from: runequester;680908
As probably mentioned by others, the Dell ST2320L will work, and works great.


Any idea if its smaller sibling, the ST2220L, will also work? Thanks.
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: runequester on February 19, 2012, 04:04:09 AM
Quote from: InTheSand;680969
Any idea if its smaller sibling, the ST2220L, will also work? Thanks.


Supposedly they are very similar, but I can't guarantee anything :(
Title: Re: Amiga and monitors. How'd you do it?
Post by: InTheSand on February 19, 2012, 04:20:07 AM
Hmm... It's not like I need another monitor, but would like to replace the ageing and very curved (!) MicroVitec I've got connected to a host of legacy devices via a VGA switchbox.