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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: amigakit on September 17, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
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Good news is here:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/news.php?news_id=78
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wow, finally new hardware for sale to run os 4 ! any specs of the kit avaliable ?
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amigakit, you should really change the title of this topic, because people are thinking it's another stupid/bogus news again so they're not looking. please enter something like 'SAM440 and OS 4.1 bundle from Amigakit' to get the deserved attention. 'good news is here' is just too vague.
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Please excuse my ignorance guys, what is a SAM440?
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mmmm.... order time.... mmmmm :-D :-D :-D
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SAM440 is a PowerPC based efika-like board from Acube systems. Their site seems to be busy at the moment, so I'll give a link to google cache for specs ...
edit : can't give link to google cache, just google it.
http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php
Hmm I really wonder how this will compare to Efika with Morphos 2.0 :)
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SAM440 is sth between efika and peg1/amigaOne with gfx onboard and sata chip
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That is it...
http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/news.php?id=35
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That IS good news but the price of a SAM440ep motherboard is $691 US at current exchange rates. That doesn't include the price of OS4.1, case, power supply, hard drive, mouse, keyboard, or CD/DVD drive. At that price I can easily get a COMPLETE x86 system WITH a decent LCD monitor.
Unless Acube and Hyperion can come up with some kind of discount/bundle then OS4 on the SAM will remain out of reach of most Amiga enthusiasts.
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Nice for those desperately waiting for some hw to run OS4.x.
But not interesting for me.
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Not that I'm complaining (Far from it) but what's changed in order to allow this?
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TiredOLife wrote:
Not that I'm complaining (Far from it) but what's changed in order to allow this?
Good question!
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Price??
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_ThEcRoW wrote:
Price??
Please check back for additional details to be released.
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Finally. A lot of people have been waiting for this. The sooner they get this out, the better. We need more users.
Hans
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It's nice to see alternative and 'nice looking' hardware running Amiga now at 4.1 which is good news really.
I wonder if there is Anyway of getting OS4.1 for cheaper modern PC Hardware without going through emulation like Win UAE.. or is that just a pipe dream??
cool stuff!!
8-)
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Jpan1 wrote:
It's nice to see alternative and 'nice looking' hardware running Amiga now at 4.1 which is good news really.
I wonder if there is Anyway of getting OS4.1 for cheaper modern PC Hardware without going through emulation like Win UAE.. or is that just a pipe dream??
cool stuff!!
8-)
Nope. Don't even go there. Never going to happen.
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tonyyeb wrote:
Jpan1 wrote:
It's nice to see alternative and 'nice looking' hardware running Amiga now at 4.1 which is good news really.
I wonder if there is Anyway of getting OS4.1 for cheaper modern PC Hardware without going through emulation like Win UAE.. or is that just a pipe dream??
cool stuff!!
8-)
Nope. Don't even go there. Never going to happen.
okay, just thought it would make Amiga more available as an O.S without new super duper hardware. (Alas- t'would be nice:)
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Price is the big factor here. At current displayed prices a motherboard/OS4 bundle will be over $800. Ouch!
Still good news though. It wont be a big deal for the people that are shelling out $1000+ for PPC classic systems :lol:
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It is being described as an OEM agreement. So compare that to say Vista Retail vs Vista OEM. The OEM is about 40% - 45% of the retail. Fingers crossed a similar deal will be done.
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GREAT NEWS..BEEN A LOOOOONG TIME WAITING :-D Wow..no more crying about no new hardware to run OS4 now:lol:
ferrellsl wrote:
That IS good news but the price of a SAM440ep motherboard is $691 US at current exchange rates. That doesn't include the price of OS4.1, case, power supply, hard drive, mouse, keyboard, or CD/DVD drive. At that price I can easily get a COMPLETE x86 system WITH a decent LCD monitor.
Unless Acube and Hyperion can come up with some kind of discount/bundle then OS4 on the SAM will remain out of reach of most Amiga enthusiasts.
I think the price of 4.1 will go down as bundle packages become available and the overall cost isnt that bad really considering most of us already have a a few cases, mice, keyboards and monitors that can easily be "Amiga'd" to work with Sam and OS4.1 :-D
NOW any of those yahoos paying $800-$1000 USD for those old ppc cards for their vintage systems will really be outta their freakin minds :-o
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Good thing I didnt get Efika + morphos. This should be much better, and of course its a proper Amiga OS for real :D
Now, I hope they package everything (complete computer with OS) for a DECENT price.
And yes, PPC and A1 prices will go down faster than a cheap hooker. :-D
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Everblue wrote:
And yes, PPC and A1 prices will go down faster than a cheap hooker. :-D
Thats great, I have always dreamt of having more than two PPC cards for my classics :-D
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I was joking. :)
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What did the A1 cost at its time . I think i will buy this though .
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Interesting.
533 Mhz cpu, 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64Mb and Audio 5.1 onboard for € 332, add the OS for ₤99 (€ 125) and you are up to € 457 (₤360) without monitor, enclosure and keyboard. You'd be hard pressed to keep under ₤500 (€ 635) (unless you want a crap CRT hogging your desk). Still it's a beginning, more than 3 people will be able to run OS 4. I'm all for beginnings. So Hyperion and ACube I salute you. Thank you, but don't stop now, we've all got G4 MacMinis in our closets waiting!
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Might be time to dust off the Big Bash Banner !!
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I wonder what the speed will be like?
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ferrellsl wrote:
That IS good news but the price of a SAM440ep motherboard is $691 US at current exchange rates. That doesn't include the price of OS4.1, case, power supply, hard drive, mouse, keyboard, or CD/DVD drive. At that price I can easily get a COMPLETE x86 system WITH a decent LCD monitor.
Unless Acube and Hyperion can come up with some kind of discount/bundle then OS4 on the SAM will remain out of reach of most Amiga enthusiasts.
Sad, but TRUE!
How can they justify $691 for the Sam mobo?
I just helped my Dad find a Core2Duo 17" iMac for $610 with wireless mouse and keyboard, and Macs are "feakin' EXPENSIVE" aren'they? Whole Dual Core 64bit PC systems with 19" or better LCD's can be found for around $450 to $500!
Sorry, but it just seems way out of the realm of reality when you can get an EFIKA mobo for $99, why is the SAM440 almost 7 times more expensive? Okay, it has a 64mb onboard graphics capability, but my 128mb Radeon 9250 was only $39 at Tiger Direct. I feel sorry for all the AmigaOS4.1 fans that have been waiting for this to happen and now are getting screwed again, just like the A1 owners did when they bought their systems. Do all our hardware developers think they can "Gouge the stupid Amiga users"!
End Rant: :madashell:
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We need more users. Hans_
at this price, do you believe that anyone real new user, will come to the ''amiga'' territory?
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Come on. You realise the mass production nature of Macs and PCs cannot compare to the low production of SAM boards. Plus Macs and PCs are the same technology now and SAM isn't like either. It has taken a lot to produce the SAM board where as Apple can use existing tech and make them into Macs very easily.
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you have to convince him, -the new user- with these ideas.
not me. i'm allready ''in''. :-D
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Is it a joke? It is serious question...
I was waiting for that looooong time. Can anybody explain HOW this happened?
I really like this "combo" :D.
I'm so happy I didn't by Blizzard PPC for $800 :). Patience is virtue...
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kreciu wrote:
I'm so happy I didn't by Blizzard PPC for $800 :). Patience is virtue...
but this won't mean that you will save the money.
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amije wrote:
kreciu wrote:
I'm so happy I didn't by Blizzard PPC for $800 :). Patience is virtue...
but this won't mean that you will save the money.
Why wont it?
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amije wrote:
kreciu wrote:
I'm so happy I didn't by Blizzard PPC for $800 :). Patience is virtue...
but this won't mean that you will save the money.
Maybe not, but the specifications of the machine will be better, and the hardware will be newer.
Hans
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tonyyeb wrote:
Why wont it?
but it's obvius. he will spend it, in one way or another!
@Hans_: of course!
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I see.
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Greatstuff Acube/Huperion - where can I buy a Sam 440?
Direct from Acube, Amigakit ?
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Sure I will "save". What I can do with A1200 or A4000? How much is AONE? OLD?? You know what does it mean "A1200 sandwich".
This is not about "saving money". This is about saving AmigaOS, hehe... :-D
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tonyyeb wrote:
Come on. You realise the mass production nature of Macs and PCs cannot compare to the low production of SAM boards. Plus Macs and PCs are the same technology now and SAM isn't like either. It has taken a lot to produce the SAM board where as Apple can use existing tech and make them into Macs very easily.
So true and still both OS4 an MOS are digging their own
grave deeper and deeper. I'd be surprised if 1000 SAM boards
gets sold. I would guess 250 max. 500.
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Celebrations. The rumour of the horses death was greatly exaggerated. :-)
This is a start. It might end with a core2quad Amiga with OS 5.
A standstill is the worst scenario, but now it moves.
The horse lives. Long live the horse.
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Ummm
NOTHING has ever been cheap about Amigas. (Except blank floppies !!)
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Just to warn you all, that if you're humming and harring about whether to get one or not, consider this...
Court Case.
If the SAM hasn't got Amiga inc's blessing (I doubt this), and Hyperion lose the court case, the plug may be pulled on the SAM and we may have to wait a loooong time while we wait for Amiga inc to introduce new hardware (if they ever do, after all, OS5 is out there already remember?).
Of course, if Hyperion win or it has Amiga inc's blessing, we have nothing to worry about. But personally, I wouldn't gamble on it.
I don't have any insider info on this, if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to post my thoughts on this.
EDIT - What i'm trying to say is Don't wait, or you may miss out.
Regards
Mikey C
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tonyyeb wrote:
Come on. You realise the mass production nature of Macs and PCs cannot compare to the low production of SAM boards. Plus Macs and PCs are the same technology now and SAM isn't like either. It has taken a lot to produce the SAM board where as Apple can use existing tech and make them into Macs very easily.
IIRC the Sam is expensive by design: A many layer pcb (8 or 10 layers IIRC)) and expensive parts (e.g. the M9 chip). Technically the Sam might be okay, but market wise I'd say it isn't a big hit.
My estimation is sales in the some hundrets. At least I won't buy one.
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Good resume Mikey_C
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just - to - bleeping - expensive....
come on.. this is not the 1980's
Tom UK
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ummm did I miss the official pricing? where does it say what it'll cost? could someone post the link to the offical cost please?
thanks, JuvUK
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No costs yet. People making assumptions based on current pricing.
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Just to warn you all, that if you're humming and harring about whether to get one or not, consider this...
Court Case.
If the SAM hasn't got Amiga inc's blessing (I doubt this), and Hyperion lose the court case, the plug may be pulled on the SAM and we may have to wait a loooong time while we wait for Amiga inc to introduce new hardware (if they ever do, after all, OS5 is out there already remember?).
Of course, if Hyperion win or it has Amiga inc's blessing, we have nothing to worry about. But personally, I wouldn't gamble on it.
I don't have any insider info on this, if I did, I probably wouldn't be able to post my thoughts on this.
EDIT - What i'm trying to say is Don't wait, or you may miss out.
This means either AI and Hyperion are doing well in the negotiations or doing very poorly. I don't see anything of this on Amiga.com site which could mean two things: 1. They suck at maintaining amiga.com site but agreed for Hyperion to go ahead with it. 2. Hyperion is doing a "in your face" which is a positively guarantee of making friends and creating new found influence with AI, not.
Dammy
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I have to pinch myself. I never thought I'd see the day. This is great news.
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Holy moly, €546 for an very outdated mobo. I know producing quantities aint that big, but at these prices they shouldn't have even produced a prototype. Hopefully Amigans have deep pockets, otherwise the sales will be total fiasco.
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hooligan wrote:
Holy moly, €546 for an very outdated mobo.
Where have you got that price from???
/Looks at ACube website and sees €332.
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Acube have discontiued the 533Mhz version (at 332 EUROS) - it is sold out and not available any longer
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amigakit wrote:
Acube have discontiued the 533Mhz version (at 332 EUROS) - it is sold out and not available any longer
They need to update their web site then.
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@hooligan
Careful dude! I got flamed all over the place on AmigaWorld.net for pointing out how overpriced and underpowered a SAM440ep board is.
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AmigaKit,
Just wondering when, only onboard graphics? Are you going to be selling
"systems" ..ie case, ps, kb, cd drive etc?
If onboard only graphics.what are the specs?
Thanks
Rich
ny
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Systems are coming shortly- motherboard is here:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=840
Graphics are ATI Radeon M9 64Mb
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Well, it has always been a little bit more expensive to have a special taste, isn't it ;)...
Well, isn't that what the Amiga is all about these days? Or what's left of it?
So, why complain?
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Wow.. ~650 euro (incl 4.1). I was focused on ordering the 533MHz version tonight, too bad it was sold out. Somebody tell Acube to make more 330 euro Sams :-)
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WOW..only 512mb MAX..thats pretty weak. What are these boards intended ?
Kiosks and such?
Rich
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amigakit wrote:
Systems are coming shortly- motherboard is here:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=840
Graphics are ATI Radeon M9 64Mb[/quote]
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Theres no plans to make more 533Mhz SAMs.
That is why we are stocking the 667Mhz SAM440ep (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=840)
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I really don't understand people who complain about the how "old" Sam440 is?
It's for sure newer than A1200/A4000+PPC or AmigaONE.
1Gb of RAM for AmigaOS will be good for next 5 years... WHAT kind of software needs more than that?? TODAY??
I would rather lower the price of Sam440+OS4.1 (slightly). BUT even for that money it's "good" deal comparing OLD PPC boards for Amiga Classic - here is a whole new computer... no sandwich anymore!!!
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I hope you will not run out of Sam440... like in case of AmigaONE... this would be disaster :D
$870 for mobo and OS4.1? This takes me some time :(
$700 for Sam440... :roll: but still like a price of BlizzardPPC233...
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Its expensive, but 1 Amiga OS is too much of a monopoly. Competition is good :) Brings out the best in both camps. I'm holding out for MOS 3 on MacMini :)
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Yes exactly, this will take some time to save up to. No impulse buy for me.
I can sadly not make 650 euro dissapear in front of my wife (although 330 euro is easy to hide away so that nobody notice :-) ).
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cv643d wrote:
Yes exactly, this will take some time to save up to. No impulse buy for me.
I can sadly not make 650 euro dissapear in front of my wife (although 330 euro is easy to hide away so that nobody notice :-) ).
Ha! I hear you! :-)
I'm going to save up for it and communicate my intentions when I muster the courage. :-)
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AmigaKit.
Thanks for the great news. Glad to see a great company like yourself will be stocking it.
Question:
For an extra charge, can you guys build out a complete system for us? Case, keyboard, mouse, etc...?
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I'm not really understanding the benefits of this? How well will it run "classic" 680x0 Amiga software? If it can, is it just running the old classic software in a 68K/custom-chip emulator built into the OS? And if that is the case, how is OS4.1 on a SAM better than running UAE on a PC?
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ral-clan wrote:
I'm not really understanding the benefits of this? How well will it run "classic" 680x0 Amiga software? If it can, is it just running the old classic software in a 68K/custom-chip emulator built into the OS? And if that is the case, how is OS4.1 on a SAM better than running UAE on a PC?
I'd like to have a machine with OS4 as the main OS. I haven't tried OS4 yet. Missed my chance a few years ago.
As for the earlier Amiga OSes, I'm only running them on winUAE. I sold most of my classic hardware earlier this year except for a couple 2000s and a 1000 that I haven't touched since early spring.
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545 eur without os?
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@drewz21
Hello!
We will build a computer to your requirements- get in contact with your ideas
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You are missing the point. Nothing short of Jesus appearing in the clouds surrounded by Amigas will convince someone to come to "amiga" territory. The best you can hope for is convincing Amigans to buy something. At this price, there will be Amigans willing to buy.
Is it overpriced, heck yes, Macs with these specifications would be turned down by most charities as gifts, but given that it's the only thing that will give you an OS4 fix, I'll even consider buying it...
amije wrote:
We need more users. Hans_
at this price, do you believe that anyone real new user, will come to the ''amiga'' territory?
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A PCI version of the Video Toaster would be a cool addition.
It would almost be like the good ole days.
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PCI Video Toaster (http://www.newtek.com/vt/index.php)
trekiej wrote:
A PCI version of the Video Toaster would be a cool addition.
It would almost be like the good ole days.
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Great news ! New hardware was the missing thing for months/years.
To those that think it is too expensive and compare it to a cheap PC (nonsense !), what would be the good price ? Free ? Honestly, I think whatever the price, you would tell it's too expensive. Certainly not more than outdated classics that can break at any moment.
With the Sam440, you have a nice board, low consumption, Radeon gfx chip, SATA, ... Hey guys, this is the opportunity to get a new Amiga machine !
Since the day I bought my Pegasos (and later my AmigaOne), I've never had regrets thinking about my A1200-060. New hardware, modernized OS, new apps, hardware ports to connect standard devices, ... all that keeping the Amiga spirit and fun !
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corto wrote:
Great news ! New hardware was the missing thing for months/years.
To those that think it is too expensive and compare it to a cheap PC (nonsense !), what would be the good price ? Free ? Honestly, I think whatever the price, you would tell it's too expensive. Certainly not more than outdated classics that can break at any moment.
Well it isn't nonsense. It's 15 years since a got myself
a new Amiga and it's 10 years since I stopped using them.
I still love running UAE and look back at the old days, and
I consider myself a potential "new" user.
But I'm also middle
aged, got wife and kids and lot of places to put money into.
Like somebodey else said you can't make xxx bucks disappear
in front of your wife. :-) Well that is just so true.
It's not so easy for everyone to cough up 800-900$ for a new
system that doesn't yet replace my PC I got to have at home.
So anybody feel the same ?
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Yes I DO. Please GIVE US AMIGA OS 4.X for our G4 MAC MINIS! Some of us ALREADY HAVE THE HARDWARE! We WILL buy an AMIGA OS version over 100 Euros if you want, but I for one WON'T PAY for a hardware I ALREADY OWN!
Moana project was for real, as A LOT of us have seen in our own computers...SO GIVE US Amiga OS and save those SAM440s FOR THE GOOD AMIGA USERS who DON'T HAVE a Mini, for god's shake!
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Dear Mr Amigakit:
Do you know/can you tell us if the 667MHz/OS4.1 OEM combo will cost a little bit less than purchasing mobo + 4.1 separately?
Thanks!
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gaula92 wrote:
Yes I DO. Please GIVE US AMIGA OS 4.X for our G4 MAC MINIS! Some of us ALREADY HAVE THE HARDWARE! We WILL buy an AMIGA OS version over 100 Euros if you want, but I for one WON'T PAY for a hardware I ALREADY OWN!
Moana project was for real, as A LOT of us have seen in our own computers...SO GIVE US Amiga OS and save those SAM440s FOR THE GOOD AMIGA USERS who DON'T HAVE a Mini, for god's shake!
Do you realize that money that you spend on macmini is not invested again in Amiga.When all the PPC macs will be outdated who will make new hardware? apple? At least with SAM the money will be invested again in Amiga development.it´s expensive, yes, but is better give the money to a company that will develop Amiga products; if not, where you will get new Amiga products when all Amiga hardware companies bankrupt because nobody bought their products but bought products to another company that never will invest a penny on Amiga?
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Very true Fransexy_. Plus Apple now no longer use PPC so what is made is the lot. No more. We need new hardware. This is a start. If Hyperion can make OS4 for SAM then they can make it for a lot of PPC type hardware. This is just the start IMO.
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I clicked on the link and saw £99.99 and thought DAMN that's a good price!
And then I fell off my chair as I realised that was the cost of just OS4.1 and the hardware was an additional £440 :-)
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Do you realize that money that you spend on macmini is not invested again in Amiga.When all the PPC macs will be outdated who will make new hardware? apple? At least with SAM the money will be invested again in Amiga development.it´s expensive, yes, but is better give the money to a company that will develop Amiga products; if not, where you will get new Amiga products when all Amiga hardware companies bankrupt because nobody bought their products but bought products to another company that never will invest a penny on Amiga?
It didnt work with Commodore, it didnt work with Phase5, it didnt work with Amiga magazines, it didnt work with Eyetech either. Neither it will not work with Genesi or Acube. Now matter how much money Amiga users throw away it is never enough to keep companies running.
The Amiga market is inexistant and both Genesi and Acube and everyone else must find other markets to keep company running.
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itix wrote:
*snip*
It didnt work with Commodore, it didnt work with Phase5, it didnt work with Amiga magazines, it didnt work with Eyetech either. Neither it will not work with Genesi or Acube. Now matter how much money Amiga users throw away it is never enough to keep companies running.
The Amiga market is inexistant and both Genesi and Acube and everyone else must find other markets to keep company running.
Very true. So skip PPC dependancy. Sandbox the legacy and
move along with what hardware is out there. The sooner
the better.
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PCI Video Toaster
Now if Newtek would open source the code for the PCI version as they did for the classic toaster....http://openvideotoaster.org/ (http://openvideotoaster.org/)... you might have some thing there.
Plaz
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@Manu
So anybody feel the same ?
Unfortunately, yes. Family expenses have grown conciderably since the last time new Amiga boards were available and I have a couple other small hobbies that need funds. It takes alot longer to save up that much $$$ without hurting the budget. Doesn't mean I won't try though. :-)
Plaz
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Just as the original reason to develop OS4 on the PPC platform was to stay true to those who shelled out for Cyberstorm and Blizzard cards??? (There's only a handful of these PPC cards in existence!)
What a stupid idea that was - Hyperion continuing to invest in a platform that mainstream manufacturers have moved away from.
The way I see it, ACube and the Amiga market are way too small to produce these boards in large quantities at a resonable cost. This is preventing the Amiga from becoming a cost-effective platform.
If anyone at Hyperion had an ounce of business sense, they would adopt the hardware platform that is able to:
a) run their software - OS4 has a small footprint and x86 is more than capable for the task
b) put the Amiga within reach of the masses
If Hyperion pick a few decent models of x86 motherboards (of various spec) and bundle their software with those, then they will be able to support the product.
At the end of the day, it's Hyperion who needs to survive for the Amiga to survive - not ACube.
Fransexy_ wrote:
Do you realize that money that you spend on macmini is not invested again in Amiga.When all the PPC macs will be outdated who will make new hardware? apple? At least with SAM the money will be invested again in Amiga development.it´s expensive, yes, but is better give the money to a company that will develop Amiga products; if not, where you will get new Amiga products when all Amiga hardware companies bankrupt because nobody bought their products but bought products to another company that never will invest a penny on Amiga?
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They are so cheap i think i will buy 3 :-D . No seriously i to have expenses as well 2 cars and 2 housepayments but i belive i can still put away enugh for the Acube, i usually spend 4 times more than that on my new X86 boxes. That is if the price is close to 900 - 1000$
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Vesalia (http://htp://www.vesalia.de) takes pre-orders for the Sam440ep including AmigaOS4.1 (http://www.vesalia.de/e_sam440ep.htm)
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Ouchie! €556 for the cheapest model! :boohoo:
History repeats itself..
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skurk wrote:
Ouchie! €556 for the cheapest model! :boohoo:
History repeats itself..
And that 556€ is vesalia's price *without* Os4 ... And considering the fact that the ownership of OS4 is still open (As far as I know, there's been no agreement between Ainc&hyperion?) there's no quarantee the OS will ever officially available for this board.
Of course, it may well be there to be unlicensed OS sales (or warez) but that's not I'd like to see.
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Give to us the mac mini version!!!!!. I have money waiting for it. But it should be soon before i spend it in a thing readily available...
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corto wrote:
Great news ! New hardware was the missing thing for months/years.
To those that think it is too expensive and compare it to a cheap PC (nonsense !), what would be the good price ? Free ? Honestly, I think whatever the price, you would tell it's too expensive. Certainly not more than outdated classics that can break at any moment.
€200 + vat
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Do you realize that money that you spend on macmini is not invested again in Amiga.When all the PPC macs will be outdated who will make new hardware? apple? At least with SAM the money will be invested again in Amiga development.it´s expensive, yes, but is better give the money to a company that will develop Amiga products; if not, where you will get new Amiga products when all Amiga hardware companies bankrupt because nobody bought their products but bought products to another company that never will invest a penny on Amiga?
Very well said :-D :cheers:
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Very nice news indeed, but I will not buy it for the reasons described below:
1. Why only 512MB max? I think that is the weakest point of SAM440ep. I don't like these limitations.
2. Why ONE PCI Slot? AmigaOS 4.1 needs an ATI Radeon 9250 128MB, as being recommended. Of course the on board ATI Mobility 64MB is not of any use then. So I'm full with PCI slots. I need another PCI slot for my Netgear Wireless PCI card, where I can put it then???? I'm not telling about a SoundBlaster card either, because I want to tell you only the stuff that I really need.
For me SAM440 is a limited motherboard (like Efika). I used to have non-limited motherboards, at least not with max 512MB of RAM or just one PCI slot.
What you will do if you want to expand it then? You will buy the new SAM board in the future which will have 2GB max RAM and 3 PCI Slots? :-o
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So we have two different groups of people complaining: those that think that it's too expensive, and those that wish that the specifications were higher, meaning even more expensive.
BTW, do you really think that this is the only target hardware under development? I strongly doubt it. My expectation would be that Moana is being developed further as we discuss this. Having said that, I would recommend that people who want Amiga OS 4.1 don't wait around for ports to other hardware; we have no idea when those will happen. Also, it's not helpful for development if no-one buys because they're all waiting for the next thing.
Hans
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"Recommended graphics card: Radeon 9250"
this seems pretty odd as M9 is basicly same product family with same DX compability. :-?
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Quite simply it's economics, a 1.25 GHz G4 MacMini with 512 MB RAM (expandable to 2 GB), video and hard drive will run less than £165/€210/300 dollars. far less than just the motherboard we are talking about. And, and, and we are talking about a motherboard that doesn't even have a G3 and runs at half the speed.
Do I want to support people who make Amiga things? Yes, but coouldn't they get in the same scale of magnitude of a used G4 MacMini?
(http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/ban-llama.gif)
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It's not so easy for everyone to cough up 800-900$ for a new system that doesn't yet replace my PC I got to have at home.
So anybody feel the same ?
I hear ya, brutha! As it just so happens, I am looking to buy a new computer soon, two actually. One will be a new Mac Mini for about $800, which for the price completely blows the SAM400 out of the water in terms of speed and functionality. For Amiga nostalgia there's UAE, or I can spend $15 at the local flea market and pick up the real item.
But hey - If you blew $1400 five years ago on an A1, then this is a good chance to show your dedication again, lol!
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persia wrote:
Quite simply it's economics, a 1.25 GHz G4 MacMini with 512 MB RAM (expandable to 2 GB), video and hard drive will run less than £165/€210/300 dollars. far less than just the motherboard we are talking about. And, and, and we are talking about a motherboard that doesn't even have a G3 and runs at half the speed.
Do I want to support people who make Amiga things? Yes, but coouldn't they get in the same scale of magnitude of a used G4 MacMini?
If you can organize enough buyers so that they can get the components/manufacturing at a low enough cost to make this happen, sure. You only need to find one million buyers.
Hans
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@jorkany:
yea, I just bought my son a Core2Duo Mac Mini from Best Buy for $600. I wouldnt dare spend that kind of money on any Amiga motherboard (MorphOS support or not). I dont have any way to justify spending that. Can I spend the $? You bet.. no problems with the wife on that either. I just dont see a valid reason.
I would rather pre-pay for a MorphOS 3 registration for the MacMini (Did you get that Piru? itix? yea, no joking here) :-)
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jorkany wrote:
But hey - If you blew $1400 five years ago on an A1, then this is a good chance to show your dedication again, lol!
I believe that Sam is more geared toward those that don't own any HW supported by OS4.1, rather than those that already own an A1.
Varthall
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$800.00. !@#!@$$!^&
We really need some kind of bundle deal or something in the US. Our money is like no good anywhere. How about:
America's in the Crapper Super Sale (US loosers only):
SAM440 & AOS4.0 - $650.00
or
SAM440 & 512 MB RAM $650.00
:-D :idea: :crazy:
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Anybody body know if u can dual boot so you have a choice of ubuntu and os 4.1?
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theformula wrote:
Anybody body know if u can dual boot so you have a choice of ubuntu and os 4.1?
Yes you can. Amiga OS 4.x's second level booter allows you to multi-boot. I do this on my Amigaone (my Linux install is kind of messed up though). UBoot also allows direct booting of Linux without the SLB.
Hans
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Yay thanks for confirming that hans. It ideal for me now only thing is the price but then I think how expensive amiga was back in the days and the price dont seem so bad.
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Ouch that price hurts.
Didn't they read how our Stock Market is crashing?
No new Miggy for me and I have been waiting so long.
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TheGoose wrote:
$800.00. !@#!@$$!^&
We really need some kind of bundle deal or something in the US. Our money is like no good anywhere. How about:
America's in the Crapper Super Sale (US loosers only):
SAM440 & AOS4.0 - $650.00
or
SAM440 & 512 MB RAM $650.00
:-D :idea: :crazy:
Vesalia has a bundle sale for you. Only $952.99 for a SAM440ep mobo plus OS4.1. Then you still need a hard drive, optical drive (CD, or DVD), case, PSU, keyboard, mouse, and you will probably want a better graphics card with more GPU RAM than the onboard chip has. So, a conservative estimate for a total system would probably be close to, or over $1,100 without a monitor.
If I had the money, I would seriously consider it, and hope that it does not have any of the troubles that the early A1 buyers suffered through, but that should not happen again as OS4.1 is much more mature now.
I know it is VERY expensive compared to what you get power wise, but AOS4.1 does not need the same power that a Windows computer needs. Green is "IN" these days. :-D
I don't like the price, but I really can't complain about it too much, because we have all been waiting and wanting a new Amiga, and this certainly qualifies, so I am not going to complain about the cost anymore (how's that for flipping 180 degrees in 24 hours). :lol:
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Yay thanks for confirming that hans. It ideal for me now only thing is the price but then I think how expensive amiga was back in the days and the price dont seem so bad.
yea but back in the day there was software available.
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Damn... And the Dollar exchange ratio just skyrocket these last few days...
I will have to wait some time more for a new Amiga
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Yea,
After looking at the prices on the Sam board and thinking about it for awhile, my Efika is looking more & more like a gem.
So far it runs just about every Amiga app I can throw at it and I can run PPC MorphOS stuff.
As a bonus I paid less then $150 for it and a Radeon 9250 w/ shipping included in that price!
I have yet to max out the 128mb of Ram either. I'm still using the 30 minute trial of MOS 2.1 but when I save up the cash I'll register it down the road.
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My advice for anyone interested in AmigaOS4.1 on the SAM is to buy the OS at least, as soon as it is available, just in case it is pulled from the market in a week, or a month, or 6 months, by A.Inc.
Then, if you don't have the money for a SAM board now, you can wait and hope that the price will come down, or the exchange rate for your currency will go up.
How many OS4.1 for SAM's will be sold, I wonder?
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I agree somewhat with this Dave..
I will purchase OS4 perhaps two copies..I will hang on to all my Mac G4s in the hopes that one day OS4 will run on these machines.
It makes so much sense to make OS 4 loadable/usable on these older Macs.
There are so many in the used market..its silly not to exploit this..Not to mention they are getting cheaper by the day
Coders start hackin..please !!!Who ever owns OS4 Wake TF UP!!
Rich
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amigadave wrote:
My advice for anyone interested in AmigaOS4.1 on the SAM is to buy the OS at least, as soon as it is available, just in case it is pulled from the market in a week, or a month, or 6 months, by A.Inc.
Then, if you don't have the money for a SAM board now, you can wait and hope that the price will come down, or the exchange rate for your currency will go up.
How many OS4.1 for SAM's will be sold, I wonder?
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Serously guys, Here I was thinking I was bad, but Atleast starke is sticking to his word, and trying to order one, hopefully they havent run out of stock by the time they get to my emails.
remember, the days when starke kept the positive attitude, and everybody kept flaming him, well, did anyone stop to think, that he may have been onto something??
I mean, what he said, has happened, in a different way perhaps than planned.
Anyway some questions,
do you think they will restock or better said, get new stock of SAM440ep boards in, or do they only have the one batch??
AND
if they sold out of the motherboard 533mhz, that was selling for cheaper, how many did they sell in anyones opinion?? 50?? 100?? 200 before running out of stock on that item??
well, thats it, no flaming needed anymore, you negativity back then prooved successful, its just through sheer persevearance, that I managed to keep my faith from all the junk in here.
Cheers.
and Happy buying to those who can afford it.
P.S. Anyone who is in australia, and wants a morphOS efika, let me know, I know a guy that has 18 left.
8-)
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BTW, do you really think that this is the only target hardware under development?
Yes.
My expectation would be that Moana is being developed further as we discuss this.
Link (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26955&forum=33#456364)
Rogue (Quote): "There never was an "official" MacMini project. It is very unlikely there ever will be one."
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@ humppa,
informative link, thanks.
8-)
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And how many people paid $599 USD in 1983 for a Commodore 64 ?
Or my $900 Radio Shack Model I in 1979?
The Sam is much less expensive in terms of computer performance ;it is looking expensive because the mass market IBM compatibles are so cheap.
Sam perhaps should be compared with Apple Computers as being a niche market item..
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humppa wrote:
BTW, do you really think that this is the only target hardware under development?
Yes.
Suit yourself.
My expectation would be that Moana is being developed further as we discuss this.
Link (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=26955&forum=33#456364)
Rogue (Quote): "There never was an "official" MacMini project. It is very unlikely there ever will be one."
What I read from this is that Hyperion never worked on a MacMini project, and probably won't. Just because ACube was working on their Moana project doesn't make it the "official" MacMini project.
Hans
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do you think they will restock or better said, get new stock of SAM440ep boards in, or do they only have the one batch??
I think that they are getting new boards in stock within the next few weeks. And why do i think so? well because amigakit and vesalia are getting their boards within a few weeks.
I sure hope that i'm right this time :-)
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Sjeesh all the complaining about price... If the complaining people worked in the hours they spent complaining, they would have a Sam already.
@Gebrochen,
You probably are Starke but for argument's sake let's say you're not. Starke was banned for good reason; he was an annoying troll. And trolls get sent to Amiga hell; Retrogeek's forum.
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@amigakit
Will I be able to buy a cheap KVM switch and use my existing ps/2 mouse and keyboard and SVGA TFT monitor with this board?
What else will I need for a functioning system? CD/DVD drive, case and power supply. Anything I have overlooked?
I'm pretty busy until the end of this year, but I'm very interested in this system.
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Because we live in the present. the SAM board looks expensive, if we lived in 1999 it would look cheap, but the point is that we all line near the end of 2008 and in 2008 the price v. performance of the SAM board is pretty bad.
It's a difficult decision, if you open up OS4 to run on standard equipment you drive the specialised hardware manufacturers out of business, if you don't open up OS4 it's cost remains high. In other words the cost of a MacMini OS4 is driving Acube out of business...
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It's a difficult decision, if you open up OS4 to run on standard equipment you drive the specialised hardware manufacturers out of business, if you don't open up OS4 it's cost remains high. In other words the cost of a MacMini OS4 is driving Acube out of business...
But it's ACube that was working on the MacMini port in the first place.
Hans
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It's probably been said, but tying OS4 to specific hardware keeps everything under their control. If OS4 were an open platform (not open source, just open specifications), you'd see boot loaders, drivers, and other bits popping up for all sorts of platforms: Mac, Gamecube, PS3, Xbox 360, RS/6000, iSeries, etc. Platforms based on the PowerPC and its derivatives are plentiful. Amiga, Inc. legal issues aside, Hyperion is the only thing between OS4 and a solid, open future.
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@Trev
It was worth saying again. Open specifications and many hardware platforms is what is needed to give the Amiga rebirth a chance. Look at Linux vs Win$lows and OpenOffice vs Office where there is free vs micro$oft and micro$oft still has 90% of the market share. Here we have expensive low spec Amiga hardware and immature but promising AmigaOS vs win$lows. The Amiga fails again after all of us old school computer users fade away and I'm one of the faithful that might buy a SAM and I like the PPC. There is no future in the current direction. Maybe AmigaOS bundled with Efika for under 200 Euros would attract enough users to matter.
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@ Andeda,
Hopefully your are right. YOu forgot to answer my other question, below:
(anywone?)
if they sold out of the motherboard 533mhz, that was selling for cheaper, how many did they sell in anyones opinion?? 50?? 100?? 200 before running out of stock on that item??
@ FlashLab:
Im just an engineer drafter wanting to use AMiga OS everyday after hours again, instead of Eye Candy Crap, and worse still, MS.
(who knows, you'll never know if I was starke in the past?)
@ All:
Anyone know what they are charging for VAT when they post outside of Europe??
and
Why dont many of us, onc having obtained SAM 440ep, simply also get an efika later. :)
COuld be best of both worlds??
8-)
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matthey wrote:
@Trev
The Amiga fails again after all of us old school computer users fade away and I'm one of the faithful that might buy a SAM and I like the PPC. There is no future in the current direction. M
Darn wise words there, matthey. I feel the same. It's so shortsighted to not remove the hardware hurdle once and for all and start to grow.
It's a hobby yeah, but this time the hobby will die with us Amiga nuts who was there when they still were around. Once
the "legacy" (the people, us) in the community is gone then it's come to a definite stop. And then a port to x86 will do
no good.
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@ All:
Anyone know what they are charging for VAT when they post outside of Europe??
If you live outside EU (European Union) you are not charged VAT. VAT for you is 0% and it shall be deducted from your order. What they charge when you import in the customs is a matter of the local laws.
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AmigaKit:
Out of curiosity, any preorders yet?
Oh, who am I kidding. I'll probably end up with one, eventually. I just need to collect the funding without the wife noticing it. If she finds out I'm spending £550++ on more hardware, she'll probably stab me to death with the Sam440 motherboard.
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But hey - If you blew $1400 five years ago on an A1, then this is a good chance to show your dedication again, lol!
I didn't buy an AmigaOne to show dedication to anything. I bought it because I had the cash and i wanted one, and i never once regretted it.
Don't have the cash for a SAM, though. Although i now earn more, i also have more debt :-(
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TheMagicM wrote:
yea but back in the day there was software available.
www.os4depot.net (http://www.os4depot.net/)
strohmayer.org/sfs (http://strohmayer.org/sfs/)
www.digitaluniverse.org.uk (http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/)
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skurk wrote:
AmigaKit:
Out of curiosity, any preorders yet?
Oh, who am I kidding. I'll probably end up with one, eventually. I just need to collect the funding without the wife noticing it. If she finds out I'm spending £550++ on more hardware, she'll probably stab me to death with the Sam440 motherboard.
Sounds like we have the same problem, how do you spend 600e so that your wife dont know about it??
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@ drHindo,
Thank you, i didnt know that (your vat reply)
But cants see any problems with customs, they'll just check it for foreign creatures, get rid of them, then post it to me. :)
@ Skurk and @ Andeda:
haha, maybe go out for dinner a few times and she'll think the money went elsewhere when you buy her an INEXPENSIVE dress! :-D
Was wondering, how many emails do you think have been sent to Acube, because I sent one last week, (roughly three days ago) with no reply yet.
Actually, I accidentally sent two. :crazy:
haha.
Cheers.
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Andeda wrote:
Sounds like we have the same problem, how do you spend 600e so that your wife dont know about it??
I have no idea yet. Don't ask me about women, I'm having major problems understanding the one I live with. :)
I guess I will get the blessing if I sell some of the other computers, though. Maybe the 4000/060/PIV setup will have to go. :C
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Well you can always remind her how much she has used money on shopping clothes and other "important" stuff for women. :D Thats how I do it always ;) Tough I'm not gonna buy a SAM as I have Mac Mini and Efika on my table.
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xeron wrote:
www.digitaluniverse.org.uk (http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/)
Thanks for the plug :-)
Version 1.6 development is currently in progress.
Bill.
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hahahahhahahahahahahha
:-D
hhahahahhahhahahhaha
Awesome {sheit}.
Accidentally got off the phone with someone special, and ah, looks like Ive secured the SAM and os4.1 for me. :-P
May take two weeks though to get down here from europe. :-?
@ All
the sam440ep comes with four sata connectors already correct?? Just double checking this:
Silicon Image 4 Serial ATA ports
AND
Would 1 of these gfx card be working for the SAM440ep with os4.1?
nVIDIA GeForce FX5500 256MB PCI FX 5500 VIDEO CARD NEW
OR
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9250 128 MB PCI VGA / DVI / TV OUT
OR
RADEON X1550 256MB PCI STD & LOW PROFILE VGA & DUAL DVI
which one is best suited for my upcoming system??
Cheers. 8-)
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recidivist wrote:
And how many people paid $599 USD in 1983 for a Commodore 64 ?
Or my $900 Radio Shack Model I in 1979?
The Sam is much less expensive in terms of computer performance ;it is looking expensive because the mass market IBM compatibles are so cheap.
Sam perhaps should be compared with Apple Computers as being a niche market item..
But in 1983 a several times faster computer was not avaialable for half the price of the C64...
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countzero wrote:
>Hmm I really wonder how this will compare to Efika with Morphos 2.0 :)
It's better. It's AmigaOS.
ferrellsl wrote but many others have also mentioned:
>Unless Acube and Hyperion can come up with some kind of discount/bundle then OS4 on the SAM will remain out of reach of most Amiga enthusiasts.
Oh, good grief. It's a new system. It'll come down in price. ACube just had a sell of other PPC boards, so these new boards will be no different in time. The same thing was said about the AmigaOne when it was released, but people bought nevertheless.
ferrellsl wrote:
>At that price I can easily get a COMPLETE x86 system WITH a decent LCD monitor.
Yea, well, I've had my fill of x86 and Windows. The SAM is also less expensive than the original A4000, so it's not *that* bad.
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@Gebrochen
Would 1 of these gfx card be working for the SAM440ep with os4.1?
nVIDIA GeForce FX5500 256MB PCI FX 5500 VIDEO CARD NEW
OR
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9250 128 MB PCI VGA / DVI / TV OUT
OR
RADEON X1550 256MB PCI STD & LOW PROFILE VGA & DUAL DVI
which one is best suited for my upcoming system??
Cheers. 8-)
Forget anything nVidia; they won't give the OS4 devs the specifications, and they won't write Amiga OS drivers themselves. Currently, there is no driver for the Radeon x1550. I'm working on a driver (http://www.hdrlab.org.nz/radeonhd-driver/), but it's going to take a while, so don't bother waiting for it (particularly as 3D support will take even longer).
The Powercolor Radeon 9250 should work, as should any other Radeon 9xxx series card.
Hans
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@matthey
I don't think anyone actually believes OS4 (or any other Amiga-like operating system) will directly compete with Windows. In truth, they're not even viable Windows replacements for enthusiasts.
It is true, however, that the days of hardware differentiation are over. There's nothing about the SAM440, Efika, AmigaOne, Pegasos, et al that sets them apart from any other platform, PowerPC or otherwise. It's just a frustrating attempt at continuing the marketing practices of yesteryear.
Whether or not OS4 would be successful on x86 is arguable, but it would at least guarantee deliverability to 100% of the Amiga userbase. I'm sure someone, somewhere has run the numbers. That could explain why Amiga, Inc. put what resources they had behind Amiga Anywhere and outsourcing, i.e. there's no money in OS4 as a general purpose operating environment.
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@Trev
The OS4 dev team does not have the resources to make an x86 port at this point in time. Such a port would be a huge task.
Hans
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I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.
But I´m really happy with the Sam news. I just need to gather some cash...
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@Hans_
I know, and I think it was a mistake to stick with PowerPC in the first place. Of course, what's to prevent them from porting the operating environment to an existing kernel on another platform?
@AeroMan
I'm itching for a PS3 port, too ("more powerful" is questionable), although one presumes Hyperion would still have significant hurdles to overcome, particularly where parallel processing is concerned. The hardware is certainly at a price point most enthusiasts can afford.
My favorite dream option: port OS4 to a portable hypervisor and add native hardware support where it makes sense.
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skurk wrote:
Andeda wrote:
Sounds like we have the same problem, how do you spend 600e so that your wife dont know about it??
I have no idea yet. Don't ask me about women, I'm having major problems understanding the one I live with. :)
I guess I will get the blessing if I sell some of the other computers, though. Maybe the 4000/060/PIV setup will have to go. :C
That wont work for me, i already sold my A3000 so that i could buy my macbook 1 month ago.. now if i spend another 600:- to buy a sam440, my wife would kill me :-)
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Trev wrote:
My favorite dream option: port OS4 to a portable hypervisor and add native hardware support where it makes sense.
Oh, you mean like OS5? (chuckles, I couldn´t help it - sorry mate :))
Now, I agree - a PS3 port would kick the lover back, also known as @zz.
I think SAM+4.1 is great news. No hw/sw deadlock anymore.
And for the PS3 port, it doesn´t have to support SPE to begin with.
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The OS4 dev team does not have the resources to make an x86 port at this point in time. Such a port would be a huge task.
Nor do they have the license to do so.
Dammy
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I don't think Hyperion is too concerned about what they do or don't have a license to do. As far as they're concerned, they own OS4 and have a perpetual license to use the Amiga OS trademark.
I think OS4 will eventually go the way of all other "cool" Amiga things though, e.g. Amithlon and the new Amiga Guru Book: some middle aged hacker will get butt hurt and rather than act like a reasonable adult and resolve their issues, they'll whine and complain and stop sharing. ;-)
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As to what happens in the court case it's hard to say. The original contract with Amiga Inc/Amino had an insolvency clause and as Amino was deregistered as a company it would seem to be satisfied. The only reason Amino didn't completely collapse earlier was because of the questionable tactic of transferring assets to a shell (KMOS).
It's further complicated by the original Amiga Inc's deal being a license rather than an ownership and that the AMiga name and IP (if any remains) still belongs to Gateway.
Even if KMOS/Amiga Inc win there is a clear argument that Hyperion has a reasonable belief that the Insolvency clause was broken and that will have to be mitigated.
Bottom line, my heart hopes for Hyperion win, my mind says their will be a complicated settlement that will only lead to more court cases until both KMOS and Hyperion have spent their wads on lawyers..
.(http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/allhail.gif)
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@xeron:
Thats not what I meant by there isnt any software. Thats ported software, some new apps.. I'm talking quite a few commercial companies putting out software that would justify spending that kind of money.
The sad part is, no matter what you throw out there, its always underpowered and overpriced.
OS4.x fans:
But hey, not to rain on OS4 fans, good for you guys. I'm glad. Now that there looks like you might have hardware to run 4.1 on, QUIT YOUR CRYING AND BUY IT.
-=Alex
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The sad part is that, for late 2008 it is drastically underpowered and heavily over priced. There's no getting around it, from an economic perspective it makes no sense.
But..., Amiga buyers are not, by definition, based in reality or at least 2008/9 reality. I'm sorely tempted, even given the low power/price ratio, to sell off my old Motorola based Amigas and replace them with a single SAM. It's small, if I buy the psile case I can have Amiga printed on the top and I don't need special monitors to use it, any common dvi one will do!
I can convince the missus that way too. "Look honey I'm getting rid of the ugly crts and big boxes, I'll just have the MacPro for work and the Amiga/SAM for fun, I promise ;)"
(http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/images/smilies/wreath.gif)(http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/images/smilies/computer.gif)(http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/images/smilies/party5.gif)
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@ Hans:
THank you for that informative information.
Shall buy a Radeon 9250 then, I suppose.
@ All:
are many of us getting the aladdin 4d package from Discreet fx?? Maybe they can make us a special deal for Amiga.org?? THe more buyers, the cheaper it gets??
Cheers.
Oh and, while im on software, can anyone tell me if Image fx 4.5 is good enough to be a standalone design package, or should I get candy factory or art effect 4 also??
:-D :-o :crazy: :ponder: :lotsacoffee:
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AeroMan wrote:
I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.
As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).
Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.
Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.
Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?
Sony PS3 Fold@Home = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).
1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.
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@ All
Just in case some of you didnt know,
the ATI RADEON Mobility M9 with 64mb RAM graphic chip
is running at 66Mhz.
Cheers.
8-) 8-) :evilgrin: :inquisitive:
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Hammer wrote:
AeroMan wrote:
I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.
As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).
Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.
Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.
Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?
Sony PS3 Fold@Home = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).
1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.
You do realize that you are now comparing cpu against gpu? There isn't currently a CPU in the PC market that would match CELL's speed. Oh well maybe one of the fastest quad core processors could now match its speed, but still it is a mighty powerfull processor that is combined with a fast gpu. The system kind of works like dual-gpu system, developers are able to off load many tasks from gpu to cpu etc.
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@ All
Wow people, work this one out for yourselfs,
600 euro 667 Sam with that case Nexus,
99 Euro for os4.1
90 Euro UPS = express Post
then add about 32 euro for some type of tax thing. CRAZY!!
Cheers. :crazy: :sealed: :furious:
They couldve made the SAM440ep packaged with OS4.1 cheaper
:-D :love: :flame:
things we do for the LOVA of an AMIGA system(outdated or not)
:cry:
Now calcuate that for AUD dollars, and you'll understand the INSANity of my passion.
8-)
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Trev,
I know, and I think it was a mistake to stick with PowerPC in the first place. Of course, what's to prevent them from porting the operating environment to an existing kernel on another platform?
Just think about who created the ExecNG kernel, and that answers this question.
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ All
Just in case some of you didnt know,
the ATI RADEON Mobility M9 with 64mb RAM graphic chip
is running at 66Mhz.
Cheers.
8-) 8-) :evilgrin: :inquisitive:
Correction: It is connected to the system via a 66 MHz PCI bus. The clock-speed of the graphics chip is probably higher.
Hans
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@AmigaKit.com
If I pre-ordered a Sam440 board,when would you take payment from my debit card ?
Straight away or when its dispatched ?
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will there be an official member of A. INC, which ask the police to seize these """counterfeited""" OS ?
(no license = counterfeiting)
Stay tuned !
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Hammer wrote:
AeroMan wrote:
I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.
As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).
Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.
Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.
Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?
Sony PS3 Fold@Home = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).
1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.
Just take into account that the PS3 is the best cost benefit solution available. Can you buy a bunch of GPUs and make them work for the same price?
Besides this, the PS3 still has a blue ray, and really cool games.
I can´t think about a better port. Price is nice, performance is nice, it has nice games, can run Linux (if you wish) and it is already PPC. You might not like the PPC, but OS4 is already written for it, so it means porting is easier than to x86.
If you want to stick with x86, them supporting AROS is a better alternative. It is already running with this processor and it is free also. Give it a try
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@jorkany
I guess that could be interpreted multiple ways, but considering Hyperion's history with Linux....
@CLS2086
Counterfeiting? No. Copyright infringement? Perhaps. Trademark infringement? Perhaps. Breach of contract? Perhaps.
@AeroMan
Yes, sir. The PS3 could (should!) be the platform of choice for 0S4. Hyperion and the community would gain the benefits of volume purchasing essentially for free.
That leaves ACube in a hard place, but if they're brought in to manage the boot loader and hardware abstraction (assuming this is their thing), then everyone wins. ACube can still push custom hardware and OS4 on the industrial market. There's also the matter of display performance. Access to the PS3's display hardware is managed by the hypervisor, so there would still be a market for Amiga users wanted high-performance graphics solutions.
@all
AMD is having difficulty keeping up with the Joneses. Intel and nVidia are definitely the price/performance leaders.
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I think that the price is fair based on the market. We'd all love a $500USD killer Amiga that ran OS 4.1 and had specs closer to current PCs but that isn't likely to happen. Maybe if we all keep dreaming, someday it will but not right now.
This is new hardware with USB, PCI, DDR, VGA, SATA , LAN that runs our beloved OS - AmigaOS 4.1. I can understand that we can't all afford it out of the gate for a hobby but it is a really welcome thing for the community. I mean come on it's new hardware that runs OS 4.1. People have been spending upwards of $1200USD for old PPC accelerators to run it and now you can get a whole computer for less.
My only problem right now is the weak US dollar. Otherwise, I'd be all over the Versailia MB+OS computer with case and PS. 744.89 EURO - $1096.25 is a little over what I can do. I will start saving and look at selling some of my classic hardware.
One question:
I hadn't read and didn't have time to Google. Does OS 4.1 somehow emulate 68K or are you only able to run native PPC code? Which would mean even old system friendly 68K applications wouldn't run on it.
One more way to think of it -
USD
Used Amiga 4000D - $400
PPC Accelerator - $1100+
USB DENEB - $209
Amiga OS 4.1 - $183
Indivision AGA - $189
PCI? - ELBOX MEDIATOR?
SATA? != fastata4000
Need I go on? How much would it cost to equip an classic Amiga with comparable hardware? Many of us are willing to do this but not willing to spend $1096.25 on a new system with OS 4.1?
I understand those that are only on WinUAE and left the hardware scene behind and I understand not coming back but those of us still buying hardware. This is a really viable option for those looking to run OS 4.1 and I for one am very excited by having the option available.
-Nyle
EDIT: Oh, and it has a clock battery that doesn't leak. :-D
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@ Nlandas
well put :bow:
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One question:
I hadn't read and didn't have time to Google. Does OS 4.1 somehow emulate 68K or are you only able to run native PPC code? Which would mean even old system friendly 68K applications wouldn't run on it.
Amiga OS 4.1 has the Petunia 68K JIT emulator which was also part of Amiga OS 4.0. So yes, it can run system friendly apps.
Hans
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I do hope they come down in price some. I don't mind paying a premium for AmigaOS but I just don't have that kind of money right now. Now matter how much I want it. And I don't even have a wife I have to go through :-D But the mortgage company might get upset if I skip a payment or two. :crazy:
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Hans_ wrote:
Nyle wrote:
I hadn't read and didn't have time to Google. Does OS 4.1 somehow emulate 68K or are you only able to run native PPC code?
Amiga OS 4.1 has the Petunia 68K JIT emulator which was also part of Amiga OS 4.0. So yes, it can run system friendly apps.
Hans
Thanks Hans. I appreciate the time and information. I thought it might but didn't want to assume.
-Nyle
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DFergATL wrote:
And I don't even have a wife I have to go through :-D But the mortgage company might get upset if I skip a payment or two. :crazy:
Let me preface this in that I am not picking on you but the situation over here right now. It looks like you might be State side like me. ;-)
Ah, come on - :idea: if you live in the US just claim that the evil broker tricked you into buying a low rate ARM and you can't possible afford the house on your salary. :lol:
Once you've missed a few payments call the bank and tell them you want them to lower the interest or you'll default. :crazy: Then you'll have a lower payment and a nice SAM440 + OS 4.1 system.
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Straight away, at least they did so with my OS4.1
THX1138 wrote:
@AmigaKit.com
If I pre-ordered a Sam440 board,when would you take payment from my debit card ?
Straight away or when its dispatched ?
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Problem is I was too smart to fall for the ARM thing when they tried to get me to do that. So I have a fixed rate... Good Idea thought, might have to give it some thought. I have already put the word out to all friends and family. All I want for my B-Day and Christmas is money, money to buy a Miggy :-D
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AeroMan wrote:
Just take into account that the PS3 is the best cost benefit solution available. Can you buy a bunch of GPUs and make them work for the same price?
Besides this, the PS3 still has a blue ray, and really cool games.
I can´t think about a better port. Price is nice, performance is nice, it has nice games, can run Linux (if you wish) and it is already PPC. You might not like the PPC, but OS4 is already written for it, so it means porting is easier than to x86.
If you want to stick with x86, them supporting AROS is a better alternative. It is already running with this processor and it is free also. Give it a try
I agree, PS3 may not be the best we can get in the long run, but it is the best we could get quickly and at a good cost to benefit ratio. Blu-Ray is a big benefit, having PS3 games is also a plus, Linux for those who want to bother with it, PS3 just seems to make the most sense for the next step. Then, if there are still any developers that want to continue coding for AmigaOS beyond to an x86/64 architecture, have at it.
My feeling is that with the efficiency of AmigaOS4.x, the PS3 could make it fly and perhaps those coding for the AOS could switch to writing code for applications that are badly needed, instead of having to continually work on the AOS. Yes, I know that to keep up with some kind of semblance of being a "Modern" OS that continuing work must be done, but if they could complete a good port to the PS3, perhaps they could take a break from the OS for a few months and help complete a browser that can compete with Firefox3, Opera, Safari, etc. Just something that works and has most of the bells and whistles that other browsers have.
After that, if they could help get Open Office ported, we might be able to use this new Amiga as an everyday computer without need to boot into Windows, MacOS, or Linux for anything.
Not likely, I know, but not impossible either. :-D
Edit: If AmigaOS4.3, or 4.5 were ported to the PS3, (and it worked at least as well or better than 4.1, with continuing work to squash any bugs) I would gladly spend up to $250, or $300 just for the OS and find a used PS3 somewhere. And I am currently a MorphOS user! (Of course that may change if MorphOS3.x is released for my PPC Mac PowerBook :-o )
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Yes, the Amiga is a niche market and will always be one. Think of it this way, a successful OS4 debut will be sales in the 100s and lifetime sales won't be much over a thousand. It's a tiny point compared with Mac or PC. So I think you are paying for that as much as anything.(http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/3stooges.gif)
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@ Andeda,
so you bought a sam package also, cool.
@ Nlandas
Thank you for the confidence
@ Hans
Interesting, how much higher is the clock speed of the grpaihcs then on the sam??
@ Persia
so if a successful debut for amiga is about 100 sales upfront, then they mustve only sold 50 sam boards with the 533Mhz version, is indirectly what your saying??
Cheers
8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
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persia wrote:
Yes, the Amiga is a niche market and will always be one. Think of it this way, a successful OS4 debut will be sales in the 100s and lifetime sales won't be much over a thousand. It's a tiny point compared with Mac or PC. So I think you are paying for that as much as anything.(http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/3stooges.gif)
I don't know if the developers of AOS4.1 will agree that a couple hundred sales is "Successful" launch, but I wish they would realize that they would have a much greater chance to sell over the 1,000 mark in sales, if they would complete the Moana project and get AOS4.x running on as many PPC Macs as possible. They have shown that they are not afraid of A.Inc at the moment by releasing AOS4.1 on a platform that is not covered by the contract they claim is void due to A.Inc's insolvency, so why not port AOS4.2 to a platform that will triple or quadruple their sales overnight?
That would most likely provide the funding and incentive to port AOS to another platform (like the PS3, or x86).
AOS4.x on PPC Macs would also increase the number of Amiga users by at least a few dozen, if not a few hundred returning Amiga users of old and curious users from other platforms.
If we gained just 10 new developers for the AmigaOS community, it would be a good success.
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Very good news.
What would be even better, if it was sold as a complete computer (case/keyboard/mouse & optional monitor). And it would be even better if they were allowed to brand it an Amiga.
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amigadave wrote:
>If we gained just 10 new developers for the AmigaOS community, it would be a good success.
So grab a C/C++ book and start coding. Then there's only 9 more needed. :-) Even small programs and games would be beneficial.
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What is the global Amiga market place? It's tiny, Hyperion would sell more if Moana would be finished, but how many more? And the cost would be Acube. Who'd by Sam when they can get more than twice the power at less than half the cost by getting a used G4 mini?
I would love to not have to buy a Sam board and just go with a cheaper Mac, but nobody is building PPC equipment anymore, so in a way the Sam board is supporting the continued building of Amiga compatible PPC computers. We are at the end of the line, if ACube goes there will be no-one to take it's place. Is that worth having a few dozen more users?
(http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/images/smilies/hiya.gif)
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Good news for those who want to run OS4.
I don't think this will grow the community much, but then I doubt the players had that in mind. There's a small market for premium-priced new hardware among the existing community and this is the target.
I'm too tight-arsed to be enthused. I prefer my Amiga-fun cheap and cheerful, in emulated form. And cant be bothered with closed-source niche OS's that have scarce developer support.
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DavidF215 wrote:
amigadave wrote:
>If we gained just 10 new developers for the AmigaOS community, it would be a good success.
So grab a C/C++ book and start coding. Then there's only 9 more needed. :-) Even small programs and games would be beneficial.
I would, but I have already spent my little bit of money on the EFIKA and I am supporting the MorphOS group by registering MOS2.1 and will be learning to code for that platform. If anything I do code can be easily ported also to AmigaOS4.x by using a cross compiler on my MacBook, or my Dell XPS tower running Linux or Windows XP, I will gladly support the AmigaOS4.x users by porting my work.
In other words, a few weeks ago I decided to put my money and time where my mouth was and picked MorphOS as my future Amiga-Like OS of choice to buy and code for. I did not want to be a hypocrite anymore, by telling everyone to support our developers and not doing it myself. At the time I felt that Hyperion and AmigaOS4.x would still be tied up in court for who knows how long and I liked the progress that MorphOS has made and the affordability that the EFIKA has given us, so I took the plunge.
I might be persuaded to support AmigaOS4.x in the future as well as MorphOS2.1 and beyond, but for now, the SAM is too expensive for me and as I am just learning more about programming, I will stick with just MorphOS.
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persia wrote:
What is the global Amiga market place? It's tiny, Hyperion would sell more if Moana would be finished, but how many more? And the cost would be Acube. Who'd by Sam when they can get more than twice the power at less than half the cost by getting a used G4 mini?
I would love to not have to buy a Sam board and just go with a cheaper Mac, but nobody is building PPC equipment anymore, so in a way the Sam board is supporting the continued building of Amiga compatible PPC computers. We are at the end of the line, if ACube goes there will be no-one to take it's place. Is that worth having a few dozen more users?
(http://www.carlabaron.net/forum/images/smilies/hiya.gif)
I don't think the Hyperion developers of AmigaOS4.1 have anything to do with ACube, nor any obligation to NOT port the AmigaOS4.x to any other computer. It obviously would be terrible for ACube's sales of SAM boards if Moana was finished, but it would be great for us and for Hyperion.
Hyperion and the developers need as many sales as they can get and the Amiga community needs any new users we can get, no matter how small the gain. AmigaOS4.x on PPC Macs would not guarantee that we would get any new users or developers, but it is one of our best chances for that to happen.
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@ NovaCoder:
Yeah, Imagine what would happen to them if they did place the Amiga logo on all their systems they sold they may as well go to court with Hyperion. hehehe, all that, just because A.Inc are idtiodically not allowing someone to place an amiga symbol, that A.inc dont even use themselves.
@ persia:
I didt know this was turning into a MAC forum. :lol:
@ Coldfish:
Wel in that case, don't bother coming to the forums of Amiga, if your not nterested in wishful or hopeful thinking, yet alone supporting. :devildance:
cheers.
8-)
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AeroMan wrote:
Hammer wrote:
AeroMan wrote:
I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.
As for "more powerful than x86", PS3 is a road kill against AMD based PC (i.e. AMD GAME!(1) reference platform i.e. AMD Radeon HD (stream processor array) + AMD Phenom (command prcoessor).
Refer to http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
Real time raytracing the Transformers movie teaser trailers.
Let's see STI CELL matches AMD Radeon HD 2900/3800/4600/4800 raytracing.
Game for PS3 vs AMD PC debate?
Sony PS3 Fold@Home = 900 PPD
NV Geforce 8600M GT Fold@Home GPU2 = 1135 PPD (AMD Radeon HD 3650 scores similar points).
1. "AMD GAME!" refers to AMD's "Centrino" for desktop PC market.
Just take into account that the PS3 is the best cost benefit solution available. Can you buy a bunch of GPUs and make them work for the same price?
There's no need for "bunch of GPUs" to beat PS3.
One Radeon HD 3850 ($96.88 USD, 320 stream co-processors) or Radeon HD 4670 ($108.24, with 320 stream co-processors) would do the trick.
AMD Radeon HD != NV Geforce 8x/9x/Gt2x0 when it comes to raytracing.
An AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+($84.98 with motherboard) is sufficient enough for command processor role. Refer to http://www.pricewatch.com/motherboard_combos/athlon_x2_4200_cpu_fan.htm
Aim for $499 USD PS3 with 80GB HD. (http://video-games.pricegrabber.com/playstation-3/c/344/st=category/)
AMD Radeon HD 4670: $108.24
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ and PC Chips A13G / A15G motherboard $84.98
Sub-Total: $193.22
Allocate $305 USD for 80 GB HD, 2GB RAM, Case, PSU, Blu-Ray-ROM.
$ 67.62 DDR2-1066 PC2-8500 2GB
$ 29.00 Black Mid Tower Case, P4 550W P.S (http://www.cmicomputer.com/cgi/quikstore.cgi?store=&search=yes&detail=yes&product=cs807b&category=case&keywords=&hits_seen=&page=search.html&and=&affiliate_id=)
$34.00 Western Digital 250GB 7200RPM
$111.98 Lite-On blu-ray
Sub-Total: $241.6
Total: $434.82
Prices from http://www.pricewatch.com/
Unlike PS3 (e.g. UT3**), this AMD based system is capable to play games sustained @ beyond 720p.
**Both Geforce 8600GT, Radeon HD 2600XT can play UT3 at 720p and greater than PS3's 30 FPS.
Besides this, the PS3 still has a Blu-Ray.
One could build an AMD based system with Blu-Ray to beat PS3.
This is without subsidy from game sales.
and really cool games.
I can´t think about a better port. Price is nice, performance is nice, it has nice games, can run Linux (if you wish) and it is already PPC. You might not like the PPC, but OS4 is already written for it, so it means porting is easier than to x86.
My reponse was for "more powerful than x86" comment.
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@Hammer
My recently acquired nVidia GTX-260 (overclocked to 640MHz core speed) turns in many a merry FLOP in the CUDA application's I've played with this far :-)
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/nbody2.png)
(above represents source code level FLOPs, not actual GPU FLOPS)
What's more, the given API is quite nicely general purpose.
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AMD is having difficulty keeping up with the Joneses.
AMD is doing just fine in the market that requires CPU+GPU combo.
Intel and nVidia are definitely the price/performance leaders.
In GPU market, NV and AMD are about even in the price/performance.
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Consoles have never been designed to beat PCs in performance.
Consoles are designed to create a Vendor-Lock-In and to create a fixed predictable platform to create software for so that development can be rapid and cheap.
It's at the cost of the consumers choice in software titles (PC vs [Nintendo|Sony|Sega|MS XBOX]) and performance/$. Also price per software title.
But we seem to accept the higher $$ for both hardware and software because like Apple products, it just simply works. This is due to the lack of variation in the hardware base.
So it's obvious that any console, now and in the future will loose any $$$ and performance comparison VS any open computing platform like the x86 platform. Except perhaps at the very day of launch. But it fast falls behind as the lauch cycle for AMD, NVidia and Intel is almost down to 6 months now.
What it will win in is hassle free end user experience, and when it's mature (like PS2 and older generation consoles) in developer friendliness(resources, time spent, hw-mutations).
So the question is, will an operation system benefit from a locked in platform.
Yes, Apple and Amiga are examples of that. The small variations in the hardware platform gave these platforms the stability they are so well known for, this compared to the the bluescreens and crashes on Windows.
Also, will developers appreciate a locked in platform?
Most likely yes. Less varations to account for = simpler code and faster development shorter testing. Also, like consoles games can "bang the hardware", because it's always there.
Is this lock-in and it's benefits worth the higher cost that the monopoly situation that arises?
Most likely not. I won't discuss why Commodore failed. But one can certainly say that the industry have benefitted from an open common platform that is the x86 platform. On the other hand, moderating this is Apple with it's iPods and OSX intel computers. So perhaps there is business to be made still.
Also, is the PS3 the correct platform to lock AmigaOS4.x to?
Most likely not. Yes, it is the highest performance PPC solution still for sale and under production. Yes, there are Mac solutions still available second hand. But they are not under warranty anymore, and will run out before the PS3. And Hyperion is not a likely partner for Sony, and also sony is already developing the PS4, what happens if the next console doesn't use a PPC compatible CPU? Then Hyperion is left without a hardware vendor.
The PS3 is too locked in too, but are the locked options good ones for the Amigans? It has a case that doesn't please everyone, some love it, some hate it. It can't be changed, that's for sure. It's noisier than it has to be, and it has a fixed amount of RAM. Two other seriously negative points for most users. Also, atm there is no accellerated graphics, only framebuffer for any "game os".
So if PS3 isn't the locked in hardwareplatform for the Amigians, then what is?
Natami? Efika? SAM440?
Well, what do you want? A powerfull strong niche computer, or a cheaper all-rounder? Both?
It's certainly going to be a niche computer at any rate for the forseable future unless Hyperion pulls one more rabbit out of the hat like it did with the SAM440ep :)
So how about the three contenders?
The Natami developer boards should have been out now. I haven't looked up a recent status, but I expect them to be late. It's an ambitious project, and as a voulentary project it would have been nothing short of stunning if they delivered on time, seeing as the proffessional industry at large (70%) always is very late. So the Natami is very "amiga like", "super custom". But it's not here now.
Then the Efika. I'll be short on this one. This is a OS4.x thread. Efika isn't OS4.x, it's MOS. However, the Efika is cheap, but it's not super cheap compared to cpu/$$ vs the last candidate.
The SAM440ep is. Thus it's the strongest contender to be the Amiga vendor locked in platform.
So why aren't we hearing a roaring unison happy rejoycing cry from the community?
It's expensive it's said. Well, objectively yes. But I'm sure that if we're talking net profit for ACube it's not expensive. All the arguments have been made, low volumes, high development costs etc.
I'm sure that Acube and Hyperion aren't out to fleece us. And I'm equally sure that they are now planning new hardware, and that the SAM440ep and flex must be considered "stop gaps" until a new propper platform can be established.
But if the PS3 and MacMini is as far as they look, I'll be very worried. Because they are not hardware platforms with more than at tops 5 years life ahead of them. I think it's very unlikely that Acube and Hyperion wants to push Macs and PS3s at us. Even more than us, I'm sure they want to know that there is also business to be done tomorrow, not only today.
The Hyperion-Acube partnershipgives good reason to believe that it's ACube who'll be designing and building any new amiga OS4.x hardware. And I think it's a good thing, sure it's not Acer, DELL etc. But they are dedicated, and they seem to be capable to deliver on promises. So for it to be a perfect union, it only remains to see if they are listening to the community and making a more powerfull solution.
So if we see OS4 on the Mac it's a sad day no matter how much we would like it. It would be a sad day, because then they have spent their time porting the operating system to a dying system rather than improving on the OS for the hardware, software and users that it has - and might have.
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Now there are two last issues I haven't addressed. The lawsuit and OS4.x on x86.
The lawsuit is a entity no one here is competent or capable to forsee, so any effort spent on that is either just for fun in a "what if way", or just plain and simple in vain. Atm I'm focusing on other issues, so I deem it to be in vain.
The x86 issue... Apple did it, Aros did it... Well, I really don't care is my answer.
For me, Amiga isn't PPC or x86. It's this: Does it work, and can it run ?
Now the last one is a trap, and probably why Hyperion have their hands full working on the OS :)
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@arnljot
ACube needs to build a motherboard with a PCI-E slot. PCI-E(even with 1X) enables the system to gain the latest GpGPU.
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Karlos wrote:
@Hammer
My recently acquired nVidia GTX-260 (overclocked to 640MHz core speed) turns in many a merry FLOP in the CUDA application's I've played with this far :-)
(http://extropia.co.uk/img/nbody2.png)
(above represents source code level FLOPs, not actual GPU FLOPS)
What's more, the given API is quite nicely general purpose.
Note that NV is not cooperating with niche OS vendors.
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@Gebrochen:
Relax, tiger.
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@amigadave
Information about cross-compilers can be found here. (http://utilitybase.com/article/show/2007/06/23/231/Installing+an+AmigaOS+4+cross+compiler) There's also a guide somewhere about writing code that will run on all Amiga OS variants. I can't remember where I got that one from though.
amigadave wrote:
I don't think the Hyperion developers of AmigaOS4.1 have anything to do with ACube, nor any obligation to NOT port the AmigaOS4.x to any other computer. It obviously would be terrible for ACube's sales of SAM boards if Moana was finished, but it would be great for us and for Hyperion.
So many people seem to forget that it's ACube, not Hyperion, that were working on the Moana port. Rogue said elsewhere (someone else linked to it) that there never has been, and probably never will be, an official Mac Port. So, the best chance for OS 4.x on a Mac will be if ACube decide to continue the port, and convince Hyperion to let them sell it.
Hans
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@Hammer
I agree.
The locked platform that Acube and Hyperion should establish soon should be a motherboard with a limited selection of the CPUS from Freescale from Acube with PCIe. And the only supported GPU should be one from either Nvidia or ATI.
Users should otherwise be free to pick any SATA device and RAM.
Kinda like Apple does it. Eventhough they mostly also supply the GPU.
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NovaCoder wrote:
Very good news.
What would be even better, if it was sold as a complete computer (case/keyboard/mouse & optional monitor). And it would be even better if they were allowed to brand it an Amiga.
Amigakit (http://www.amigakit.com) sells it as a complete system, you just have to tell what you want :-)
Vesalia (http://www.vesalia.de) has options for system configuration, case, dvd-rw, harddisk, just look at their page :-)
I want one!! Just trying to find some money.. But I'll get it!
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Andeda,
so you bought a sam package also, cool.
Not yet, i just made a preorder on the OS4.1 for Sam, i have to order the sam later :-(
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NovaCoder wrote:
What would be even better, if it was sold as a complete computer (case/keyboard/mouse & optional monitor).
I hear you. Vesalia has the following kit and I'm sure AmigaKit will have more of a system as well once it gets rolling. :-D
Motherboard: SAM440ep Mini ITX Motherboard w/ 440ep/667 MHz, 512 MB RAM,
OS: AmigaOS 4.1 CD-ROM,
Case: Jou Jye 0528i case (black, incl. 220V power supply)
744.89 EURO
As for keyboards, mice, etc. I personally already have a lot of spare components and don't likely need more than the kit above.
EDIT: The missus(Love of my life) just said go ahead and get one if I want it. :-D I so love that lady.
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Oh wow, an Amiga that looks like a dull, I mean Dell...
(http://www.jj-computer.com/pro-images/NU0528i_01small.jpg)
Nlandas wrote:
NovaCoder wrote:
What would be even better, if it was sold as a complete computer (case/keyboard/mouse & optional monitor).
I hear you. Vesalia has the following kit and I'm sure AmigaKit will have more of a system as well once it gets rolling. :-D
Motherboard: SAM440ep Mini ITX Motherboard w/ 440ep/667 MHz, 512 MB RAM,
OS: AmigaOS 4.1 CD-ROM,
Case: Jou Jye 0528i case (black, incl. 220V power supply)
744.89 EURO
As for keyboards, mice, etc. I personally already have a lot of spare components and don't likely need more than the kit above.
EDIT: The missus(Love of my life) just said go ahead and get one if I want it. :-D I so love that lady.
(http://files.myopera.com/lilacfairy/files/dancing%20football%20smiley.gif)
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persia wrote:
Oh wow, an Amiga that looks like a dull, I mean Dell...
(http://www.jj-computer.com/pro-images/NU0528i_01small.jpg)
Nlandas wrote:
NovaCoder wrote:
What would be even better, if it was sold as a complete computer (case/keyboard/mouse & optional monitor).
I hear you. Vesalia has the following kit and I'm sure AmigaKit will have more of a system as well once it gets rolling. :-D
EDIT: The missus(Love of my life) just said go ahead and get one if I want it. :-D I so love that lady.
(http://files.myopera.com/lilacfairy/files/dancing%20football%20smiley.gif)
:lol: HEHEHEHE!!! Persia - Yes, simple black if you want it from them.(Comes in Silver too doesn't it?) However, there are thousands of iTX cases and most Amiga users are more than willing to mod it up, so pick one you like and build it yourself. :crazy:
Perhaps, someone will make a cool custom iTX Amiga case for us all to buy? :idea:
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Morex CP669, does anyone know what it looks like?
Vesalia shows pictures of Morex 3677 & 3688, nice small & cheap cabinets, but they look too small for me. I would like a 3,5" drive bay for a card-reader :-)
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amigadave wrote:
>I would, but I have already spent my little bit of money on the EFIKA and I am supporting the MorphOS group by registering MOS2.1 and will be learning to code for that platform.
Excellent. Glad to hear others are starting to code.
>In other words, a few weeks ago I decided to put my money and time where my mouth was and picked MorphOS as my future Amiga-Like OS of choice to buy and code for. I did not want to be a hypocrite anymore, by telling everyone to support our developers and not doing it myself.
Yeah, I decided the same thing two or three months ago. Both systems need software. The only challenge will be creating code for both, yet some tools to do so are already available. To me the Amiga community was composed of people making small, entertaining, and addicting games and applications along with demos. It needs to happen again, now.
As users begin creating content and programs, even the small stuff, machine designers and makers will be more motivated to improve their systems and even lower prices to compete with other systems. The designers take the risk to manufacture, but the users also have to take a risk in purchasing and even taking the time to code and create content.
And when you make your own content, be your own promoter. Have your friends or family come over and play the game or see what you've created. Get their opinions, then modify your program. As you promote your own work, you can also promote the machine or an emulator that runs it.
Also, don't be ashamed of your work either. Some in my family enjoy drawing and painting, and they (as all other types of artists do) often do not think their work is worth showing. Someone probably isn't going to like it, that's true, but you still need to be proud of what you do...even with a game. People will tell you what they think needs modified or added, but you make the final choice in what you will change or add to your "artwork."
Creating content is an artform like painting, drawing, architecture, building, landscaping, gardening, car restoration, woodworking, metalworking, sculpting, writing, etc. It all depends on what art supplies we want to use for our individual project.
>I might be persuaded to support AmigaOS4.x in the future as well as MorphOS2.1 and beyond, but for now, the SAM is too expensive for me and as I am just learning more about programming, I will stick with just MorphOS.
Starting with one system is a good idea. I'm sure there are other programmers that would help you port, test, or code for AmigaOS when the time comes. As the saying goes, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." The community needs more to take that first step.
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@ All
Just a general confession here.
I was going to start to learn to program for the AROS, then I thought,I need an Amiga to even remotely understand what I should be coding for it.
Now I have changed my mind, and once my sam arrives, I will start to get farmiliar with the new functions of the os, as well as desiring to atleast give it a shot to earn how to code for the TRUE amiga os.
For a long time I have been waiting for the community to do someting to help their beloved, or once beloved, or even the community who just come on here, via their windoze systems, to do something about it, and not wait for Hyperion,Acube or {bleep}ty Ainc to sosomething for their own platform, but to do it themselves.
Now I am being risky by typing this, considering I dont even know If I will be any good at coding, yet alone understand it enough while learning.
But then I figured, If the community sees more people trying to give it a shot, or to help others to succeed in it, then maybe, only maybe, we can see some type of growth again in the Amiga platform for the future.
either way, I am excited, and cant wait to get my Amiga Sam to use as my everyday system after hours from work. I can even use a digitl camera, modern printer, etc.... and this is from a niche market client, but yet, here everyone is expecting it to do th same like an x86, well, I say, it is skimming the top, and trying to survive, while the restof you are {bleep}in about your own beloved hobby??
Hobbies are expensive, but for someone like me, who only has a A1000 to do something like this what Ive just done, takes courage, money, committment for future, and some balls, as I myself know, it'll be hard to get certain types of software for it.
effectively, you could call me a new come back user, as I only was a kid when dadio got the A1000, and at that time, I only played gams onit. Then when Igot lder, I had a brief lookat code and all, and it wasnt long before I thought, well, lets go to my Windoze {bleep}, and play a game.
Unfortunately, being young at the time, I didnt realise,that if I wouldve stuck to my plan, I may have been able to help the Amiga out more in between,beforehaving to learn it all over again with my upcoming system here.
Thank fuly aladdin 4d is still being done. Might help for some games in future(future future, long time yet)
ANYWAY
To cut a long story short, maybe there are others like me out there in the community, deciding if they should or shudnt buy the sam, and all what I can say is, if they read too much negativity on the forums here, then this could swade them to do otherwise.
ME on the other hand, I thought, I wanted to buy an amiga for so long now, to get back to some old roots, and to thenmaybe try to learn code to develop for it, and get it back on its feet(as the Amiga is barely standing and surviving now through Hyperion and Acube)......
So I have just purchased the nexus case system, why, I dont know, I fet like it would be less hassle, I get system and can use it straight aay like this, instead of waiting another week to get all the parts.
Also figured,
Now that I am an engineering/management drafter, that I might be abe to dosomething silly like tis every now and then, :)
@ Anyne, when I have the system here, I will need advice on codeing for the platform, so feel free to pm me an email address if you are currently a developer for Amiga related stuff. :)
:-D 8-)
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arnljot wrote:
Consoles have never been designed to beat PCs in performance.
Consoles are designed to create a Vendor-Lock-In and to create a fixed predictable platform to create software for so that development can be rapid and cheap.[/snip.....]
Well said Arnljot, good post :-D
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Anyway.... This made me even happier :-D
Give the man a PS3... (http://www.discreetfx.com/RoguePS3.html)
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I got a paypal shipping payment request and paid it a week ago...
something should be coming soon
:-)
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@ TheGoose:
I assume you didn't do express postage then? I should be recieving my system saturday or Monday!
OS4.1 and SAM :-)
@ AeroMan:
Wonder if it has anything to do with my emailing towards Discreet FX last week that may have given them a spark to do this?? :-)
8-)
@ All:
To think, soon I will be doing all this and more from my Amiga OS4.1
:-P :-D
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Oh Opps - I'm the wrong thread. Hello Dummy.
:lol:
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@Gebrochen
@ Anyne, when I have the system here, I will need advice on codeing for the platform, so feel free to pm me an email address if you are currently a developer for Amiga related stuff. :)
Sign up to utilitybase (http://utilitybase.com/). I have a few MiniGL templates and other things on my website that could be of use (see here (http://hdrlab.org.nz/amiga-os-articles/)). I'd be happy to write more tutorials/templates, etc., if it helps get people started with coding on OS 4.x.
Hans
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AeroMan wrote:
Anyway.... This made me even happier :-D
Give the man a PS3... (http://www.discreetfx.com/RoguePS3.html)
It looks from the bounty total, that he's going to get one.
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I've seen on a video that a PPC Mac Mini will run OS4. Any other old Mac PowerPC systems that are known to run OS4 (and now 4.1) or ought to run it?
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@DavidF215
I've seen on a video that a PPC Mac Mini will run OS4. Any other old Mac PowerPC systems that are known to run OS4 (and now 4.1) or ought to run it?
AW staff updated the thread on OS4 hardware candidates the last week or so. You can see what has changed since the thread was started by viewing the "edit" dates.
Official Amigaworld.net list of potential hardware candidates for OS4 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=21319&forum=33)
Post #9 is the entry you are interested in.
btw-The best sources available are quoted (those with direct knowledge) and the thread is closed/locked to comments to preserve the information.
Anyone with further updates to this information is always advised to PM an AW moderator with any additions and/or corrections to this information.
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@number6
Thanks for the link.
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@ Hans:
Thankyou for the offering of help. I will let you knowin future, I believe first I should create a Demo on the Sam440ep to show it off a little! :lol:
@ Fester:
The bounty total keeps changing, so I am not understanding why, first it was for 1 ps3, now for 2 ps3's?? Will it be 3 nextbefore they start the project??
@ All
Not sure if you all have alrady read this, but, just in case, here is a linkon a review on os4.1:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/amigaos41-ars.ars/
Enjoy the read, I know I got upset again reading A.inc in there. I tink A.inc man Bill Mcwen should get a life, and leave Hyperion alone, after all, Hyperion has done more for the Amiga brand name than A.Inc. themselves have.
@ All Again:
I know many of you, if not everyone in here already knows about this, was just wondering if someone could tell me, if anything will ever happen with it?
http://www.discreetfx.com/amizilla.html
Cheers.
Thank you
And damn, I am still waiting for my Sam440ep and os4.1 to arrive, and I am getting anxious.
:nervous:
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@ All
What do you people make of this?
OR
Maybe it is better asked liked this, what do you people think of this?
http://blogs.msdn.com/danlehen/archive/2004/06/01/146259.aspx
Cheers.
:huh:
And, Do you thinkit were possible to get an pci card that has both graphics and memory, to be placed onto the sam board??
http://store1.sonnettech.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_32&products_id=46
cheers again.
8-)
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@Gebrochen
I'm not too sure about the pci card idea as I am not a electronics guru, but I would think it's possible.
Amiga has 3D abilities with TinyGL. It doesn't have the full feature set like DirectX, but some games have been created with it, so TinyGL is an option.
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@Gebrochen
"The bounty total keeps changing, so I am not understanding why, first it was for 1 ps3, now for 2 ps3's?? Will it be 3 nextbefore they start the project??"
what project? theres no AOS4 on PS3 project at all.
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TinyGL? Surely OS4.1 could support the whole OpenGL library?
(http://perspectives.com/forums/themes/default/sport-smiley-002.gif)
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persia wrote:
>TinyGL? Surely OS4.1 could support the whole OpenGL library?
I would think the capability is there. Whether it's entirely there is another matter. Nevertheless, TinyGL has enough to make some games and graphic software until the entire OpenGL library would be available.
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On OS 4.x it's called MiniGL, but yes, it is a subset of OpenGL. A full MESA port is planned that will support the latest OpenGL specification. However, that's going to take time. Nevertheless, MiniGL is more than good enough for a whole series of OpenGL apps/games.
Hans
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@ Hans:
What type of games we talking about here for example? PC?
:-D
@ Framiga:
Here it is
http://www.discreetfx.com/RoguePS3.html
:idea:
@ All, damn it, still waiting for the gear to arrive, might ring tonight and find out when the company sent it?
:nervous:
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@Gebrochen
Did you order your sam from acube? According to vesalia we still have to wait for our os4.1 a couple of weeks (ETA: October 13, 2008)
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@ Andeda, yes I ordered my SAm from Acube, why??
And, If versalia said that too you,ten, perhaps this is the reason why my package hasnt arrived yet, as I ordered the board and the os4.1, and to be posted at the same time.
:crazy:
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Andeda, yes I ordered my SAm from Acube, why??
Nothing special, im just curious.
And, If versalia said that too you,ten, perhaps this is the reason why my package hasnt arrived yet, as I ordered the board and the os4.1, and to be posted at the same time.
Thats what they say on their homepage. I ordered my OS4.1 from Amigakit but the delivery time should be the same there i suppose
:-)
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Hans:
What type of games we talking about here for example? PC?
:-D
Quake III. You can find most MiniGL apps on os4depot by doing an advanced search with MiniGL in the requirements field. A few screenshots are available here (http://hdrlab.org.nz/minigl-2-0-gallery/). There is also more coming...
Hans
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@ Andeda :
It's ok, Acube Systems is going to email me when they have sent the post(system &os4.1) with the postage number!
He said next week he is expecting to recieve os4.1!
:-D
@ Hans:
Das ist ja schön
OK, So what or which Quake III do I need to get, one specifically for os4.1??
ANd, is there another listing of games that have been ported?
Curious about it!
:-o
Are all these for free??
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Q3 Arena is not free, but you can buy it cheaply on game stores or Ebay.
OpenArena is free, and is Q3-based. There are also some other Q3-based games (World of Padman, Urban Terror etc) but there is no *yet* stand-alone versions for OS 4.
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Hans:
Das ist ja schön
OK, So what or which Quake III do I need to get, one specifically for os4.1??
ANd, is there another listing of games that have been ported?
Curious about it!
:-o
Are all these for free??
All of the screenshots that I linked to are for open-source games/apps. There is no master list of games that have been ported. I suggest that you check out os4depot (http://os4depot.net) to see what kind of stuff is freely available.
Hans
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@Mr.Capehill:
So your saying I need the original PC disk, install it onto my os4.1, then download from os4depot, so I can commence to play it on my Amiga Sam with os4.1?
@Hans:
That's handy, I already have the full pc version of Battle for Wesnoth at home, I assume though, due to the download size on os4depot, that it is a fully ported version for os4 versus quake III that needs the original pc disk?
@Fester:
Looks like they are aiming for two consoles, what's next when this is achieved, three consoles?
Sorry, don't want to sound negative, but, I was getting excited over the porting to ps3 idea!
:-D :quickdraw: :shocked:
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@ All:
Just saw this on Ebay, holy Crackamoly,
Had to post it here, to show everyone how cheap the Sam440ep board with os4.1 setup really is in comparison.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Commodore-Amiga-in-Elbox-Tower-with-Blizzard-PPC-060_W0QQitemZ200256276587QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200256276587&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Cheers. :-o :-o :-o :-o :crazy:
Now all those complaining about the SAM440ep, and that have A4000 or A1200, go out and buy the new Amiga system.
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I probably should not comment on that comparison, as
I do want those that can afford a SAM/AOS4.1 system
to buy one, but I think you chose a bad way to compare
the two.
The system on eBay is very complete and has several
nice pieces of hardware. It could be a faster model
of PPC Blizzard card, but other than that, I think
the price of a similarly equipped SAM system would be
considerably more money, for the added speed.
In other words, I think the price of that system on
eBay was high, but not unreasonable for what you get.
The hardest part for me to get past, and maybe for some
others here, is comparing the SAM against other hardware
for Windows, MacOSX, or Linux. The cost vs benefit factor
where you really need to throw out all other OSes and
just compare the SAM/AOS4.1 system against what is
available to run the AmigaOS (or Amiga-Like MorphOS),
because that is what we are all interested in, or we
would not be here. Thinking that way, the SAM
becomes a more interesting and acceptable answer.
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@ Amigadave:
My apologies, I was comparing to my sam system I bought with hard drive, mouse, etc, in the nexus p002 case, along with os4.1, it basically, costs less for me here in Australia to buy the sam440ep versus the Ebay auctioned Amiga classic Blizzard PPC.
Sam440ep board with 512 MB DDR Ram, ATI Radeon M9 64MB and Audio 5.1 onboard, SATA DVD-RW, SATA 80 Gb Hard Disk, Logitech Optical Mouse
667 Mhz CPU, NEXUS AVANCE P002 case 596,00 euro
99 euro for os4.1
http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php
Cheers.
:-D
One week to go until sammy and os4.1 arrive.
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@Gebrochen
Exactly, because Q3A data is not GPL'd, only the sources. Just like with Q1 and Q2.
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@ All
Not to break anyones stride, but, it seems the ps3 porting may be nothing more than a dream.
I do not wish to disclose any further information.
:-o :devildance: :insane:
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@amigadave
The system on eBay is very complete and has several
nice pieces of hardware.
Rather, it did until those pieces were manhandled out of the chassis and recklessly photographed on the seller's static-loving carpet.
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Sam's not a collectable, it's a new machine, comparing a collectable with a new machine is comparing apples with oranges.
(http://nicemac.com/Smileys/nicemac_default_size/nicemac_smiley.gif)(http://uremicons.com/index.php/d/3617-2/orange.gif)
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Lorraine wrote:
Hmm..
To be honest I'm more worried about Samantha's raw performance.
The low power-consumption is good, but what about the board in general - is it any good? Has anyone done enough tests (Linux, AOS4.1) to say?
I said this earlier in this thread, but to save you from having to scan through all 232 posts, here it is again.
In terms of raw CPU power, my A1-XE G4 beats the SAM hands down. At present DVDs can be played back in reasonable quality, but it will skip frames (barely noticeable I've been told). Stephen Fellner, the author of DvPlayer, says that he might be able to optimize MPEG-2 decoding for the PowerPC 440 chip, assuming that there are enough users to warrant it.
However, the SAM 440 has DDR RAM and a memory controller without performance limiting bugs. So, for memory bandwidth limited tasks, the SAM 440 will be faster than my A1. I've been told that things load slightly faster on the SAM 440 and that it feels just as responsive as the A1 version.
Hans
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@ Persia:
It may not be a collectable, but it will be more efficient & nicer to use.
And no, comparing this to an A1 may have been more appropriate, but then again nothing wrong comparing prices versus performance.
@ Trev:
Well said mate, that carpets eaten it.
@ Hans:
SO, you telling me, to play standard dvd's shouldnt pose a problem? I hope not.
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@ All: (Im tired right now)
Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?
Perhaps I can find a floppy drive that would support both, amiga and pc disks, I have heard that some people have done this, was wondering what the hardware is called, ie, I know its a floppy, but what is the model number??
Also, I assume it may be an idea for me to get a minimig, and use it through the FPGA Lattice XP with 80 pin I/O expansion connector on the sam 440ep board??
Anyway, let us know, oh and, I also have a heap of large format floppies, were it also possible to use them somehow, to perhaps find a connector plug or so??
I already have standard A1000/A500/A1200 external floppy drive, amiga, but I also have the 5"+ floppy external drive, with the old type of connector.
OK
thank you in advance!
:-D
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ All: (Im tired right now)
Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?
Sam does not have a floppy drive connector. You might be able to find a USB floppy drive, but I don't know if OS4 has a driver. IIRC, there is a project on the internet somewhere to allow PC's to turn Amiga disks into ADFs. If you have a classic Amiga, it would be a good idea to use that in order to convert all your disks to ADF format.
Also, I assume it may be an idea for me to get a minimig, and use it through the FPGA Lattice XP with 80 pin I/O expansion connector on the sam 440ep board??
How would that work? The Minimig is a standalone device that doesn't need any extra hardware. Do you mean trying to program SAM's FPGA with the Minimig design? That would require changing the design to fit. Also, some have suggested that the Lattice XP FPGA would be too small to fit the Minimig design inside.
Hans
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Gebrochen wrote:
Does anyone know if it is possible to hook up an external(or internal) amiga floppy drive onto the amiga SAM440ep?
You actually might be able to do that with a Catweasel controller. Not sure about the driver situation under OS 4.1 though.
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@ Hans:
I believe it should work, as usb printers, etc also are supposed to work with os4.1. Apparently a lot of changes since os4.0 with devices that are accepted.
You mean to use my pc to convert to adf, & then use the amiga - pc connection to relay them to the amiga?
So if I got the minimig, I could plug it onto the sam's usb device, & also upload all the games??
@ Colani 1200:
Catweasel should work then, I will ask about it with Acube or Hyperion?
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@Gebrochen
I believe it should work, as usb printers, etc also are supposed to work with os4.1. Apparently a lot of changes since os4.0 with devices that are accepted.
Just because USB printers are supported doesn't mean that a USB floppy drive is. It may be, but I've never tried it.
You mean to use my pc to convert to adf, & then use the amiga - pc connection to relay them to the amiga
No. You would use your real Amiga to create the adf files (you need a machine that can read Amiga floppies) and then you copy them onto an SD card for use by the Minimig.
So if I got the minimig, I could plug it onto the sam's usb device, & also upload all the games??
The Minimig has no USB anything; you do not plug it into any other computer. You store the adf files on an SD-card which you then insert into the Minimig's SD-card slot.
Hans
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@ Hans:
So true USB is like that.
Haha, My real amiga is an A1000, now tell me, is there a usb type card for that?(not that I know of)
SD card - ADF = Trouble for me.
It seems the only logical choice perhaps for me to even have a remote chance, is to try a catweasel?
Is there a internet site that explains more about catweasel limitations? or specifications?
:shocked:
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@hans
Stephen Fellner, the author of DvPlayer, says that he might be able to optimize MPEG-2 decoding for the PowerPC 440 chip, assuming that there are enough users to warrant it.
In addition, many if not all recent video cards include logic to help accelerate DVD playback. It would take a coordinated effort between video driver developers to create a standard "video acceleration" library. This would then be available to developers of software such as DVPlayer. Or does this need to be built into each driver? I'm not sure.
Hint. ;-)
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@Gebrochen
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=driver/storage/cw_trackdisk.lha
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=driver/storage/cwfloppy.lha
Does your A1000 have a hard drive of any kind.
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@ Rob:
So it seems plausible then, for me to do it the catweasel way.
The answer to your question is, used to, until my 1060 expansion for the A1000 stopped working, so no, I dont have currently any type of hard drive available, but, I think if I can find a fellow amigaman to help me fix it here, perhaps from the aug group, then, I may have a chance.
Also, I figured, I might be able to connect it with the sam board somehow?? (usb an option??)
:-o
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@gregthecanuck
gregthecanuck wrote:
@hans
Stephen Fellner, the author of DvPlayer, says that he might be able to optimize MPEG-2 decoding for the PowerPC 440 chip, assuming that there are enough users to warrant it.
In addition, many if not all recent video cards include logic to help accelerate DVD playback. It would take a coordinated effort between video driver developers to create a standard "video acceleration" library. This would then be available to developers of software such as DVPlayer. Or does this need to be built into each driver? I'm not sure.
Hint. ;-)
Someone just needs to convince AMD to give us the required documentation, and it could be done. Well, they've given us the 2D & 3D docs (ok, the 3D docs are incomplete at this point, but they're coming) so it could happen.
Hans
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@all
A Question and answer session with Max Tretene, ACube Systems Srl
Covers a bit about the business, the products, and the future.
Post #2 (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=27164&forum=42)
#6
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A Question and answer session with Max Tretene, ACube Systems Srl
Covers a bit about the business, the products, and the future.
Post #2
Interesting comment about OS4 development. I'm still hazy on how Amiga Inc and Eyetech are involved in this project.
Dammy
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dammy wrote:
>Interesting comment about OS4 development. I'm still hazy on how Amiga Inc and Eyetech are involved in this project.
Maybe it is somehow related to the aftermath regarding the dismissal of the case Amiga/Hyperion case.
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Maybe it is somehow related to the aftermath regarding the dismissal of the case Amiga/Hyperion case.
That case was not Amiga Inc vs Hyperion, that was Itec vs Hyperion. It was dismissed based on location of law suit (Judge said it needed to be in WA court and not NY state court)and not based on evidence of IP ownership.
Dammy
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@dammy
Guess I misread the information.
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Gebrochen wrote:
@ Andeda :
It's ok, Acube Systems is going to email me when they have sent the post(system &os4.1) with the postage number!
He said next week he is expecting to recieve os4.1!
:-D
Any news on your Sam and OS4.1 yet?
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@ Andeda:
Finally, they have shipped it officially and Am expecting arrivel on the 12 nov.
Unfortunately, the other tracking number was a fake from a hacker.
Anyway, I can finally soon be like the other os4.1 users out there, who are comfortably enjoying it as their daily amiga dosage
Cheers. 8-) :-P :pint: :crazy: :roflmao: :angel: :evilgrin: