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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« on: September 24, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »
Lovely, more vaporware.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 01:41:29 PM »
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In all honesty I think you would be better off using ARM if you want a market that'll sustain itself, either that or perhaps you might want to look at the gp2x model and see if you couldn't produce a non portable console for hackers along the same lines. Now that I think has some real potential.

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Given that Haiku is being designed to integrate some of the next gen *nix architecture such as gallium3d, it's going to be in a position to offer hardware support on a par with linux but offer things like drag and drop application installs (you know, just like OSX and Amiga offered) as well as a number of other things that have long been things accused of holding linux back on the desktop.

Will it go anyhwere... Dunno, but I think it has a fighting chance.


ARM would be a much better option as an alternative to x86.  One big question for Hyperion and MOS crew, will there be a follow on or will they be porting to an orphan mobo?  Unless I miss my guess, this is going to be a VERY limited number production run of mobos.  Is it likely to be a follow on, or a cold dead end?
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 02:02:06 PM »
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This announcement is not even over a day old and you are already making this call. Give the guy a chance... or is it that it is PPC that you don't like the idea?


I think the thread title of "Market research for new PowerPC system" tells me this is indeed vaporware and it's PPC vaporware at that.  PPC sales are dead end, look at the laughable sales numbers for A1/Pegs/SAMs.  It would be cheaper for him to have OS4/MOS ported to a ready made x86 or ARM system plus whatever other OS he wants vs dipping for the PPC monster out of the tarpit.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 02:43:08 PM »
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The first production run will be about 500 units. This will be used to fund the next and so on. Well, that's going to be the way, unless I manage to get an investor with huge pockets and order 10k units at once... (unlikely given the current situation).

If you think that porting AmigaOS and MorphOS to ARM would be of benefit just for a single motherboard, then I think you got this on a wrong basis. It would be the start for many nice things, eg. eventually, one might just sell AmigaOS-loaded Beagleboards, or sth like that. The potential is big. Anyway, you know, if the PowerPC thing doesn't gather enough interest, I'd just as well try my luck on ARM.

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500 minus hold back for warranty replacement of say 50 at a bare minimum would be 450.  Don't think I would risk that much money on either porting a OS to it or actual manufacturing of it unless there was a signed contract for the rest.  Worst of all, what if there is a major flaw or bug in the chips like we have seen in the past PPC systems?  And they do have issues as we have seen posted over the years.

From what I have seen so far of what the business plan looks like, I'd run in the opposite direction as fast I could unless this is popcorn money that can be throw away with little concern.  ARM would be a better option, let Genesi do the heavy lifting on the A9 Dual core that is coming out in six months and pay for whatever ports you want from Amigaland.  I can think of two Open Source OSs in Amigaland that could use a archangel that are moving to ARM.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 02:46:10 PM »
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You know it's posts like this that make me want to start this sooner than later. So far, in just one day of a post, I've received ~40 mails of interest. I've set a milestone, end of October to see if I'll manage to surpass 500. And I don't think you know what "profitable" business means. If I manage to make even 1 euro out of every board, that will be a profitable business. Stupid, but profitable. In truth I plan to have a sane profit, if only to be able to fund the next production batch. This is too much hassle to be a one-off production. And it's not that I would need it anyway, I'm doing quite ok doing enterprise and embedded applications so far.

But enough words from me. If you don't believe me, that's respected. I'd love to prove you wrong though and I can only do it with actions (building the board), and not words.

Konstantinos


I had the exact same feeling and did go forward but in a smaller way then you did.  I had to try, even though it failed, it was a good thing for me.  Best of luck to you.  Sometimes one has to walk down that path to learn.
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 04:11:47 PM »
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Maybe those who dont give a damn about PowerPC could just STFU?


I didn't see this thread flagged as a PPC fanboy only thread.
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